Saturday, September 19, 2009

Drake Law Mock Interview

Here is a faculty profile from another sacred cow at Drake University Law School:

Why I Teach

"It is vitally important for the future of the legal profession and for the public that law students receive the best training. That does not mean learning a lot of rules. It means learning to listen to clients, to understand their hopes, their fears and their objectives, both spoken and unspoken. It means dealing forthrightly with difficult legal issues that clients may not even realize are there. It means not being satisfied with a superficial examination of an issue. In estate planning, it means that the client should feel good about the experience. The client should feel that his or her objectives have been accomplished in a cooperative effort with the lawyer.

Working with law students is a wonderful experience. When I see a student who has thought hard about an issue suddenly get an insight, or when all the thought comes together in an incisive question, it is as rewarding as anything in the law.”

Read: I teach so that I can avoid being a lawyer. I want to bask in the safety of academia where I can edit casebooks, write law review articles, and earn a large six-figure annual salary. I also have the luxury of attending Drake basketball games with my colleagues due to my light schedule. I would not be able to do so if I were a practitioner.

Please enjoy the following mock interview between me and Professor Begleiter - remember this is a "mock interview" between me and a pleasant, intelligent, thoughtful law professor:

TTR: Today’s guest on Third Tier Reality is Ellis and Nelle Levitt Distinguished Professor of Law at Drake University, Martin Begleiter. Welcome. How are you today, professor?

Professor: I am well. Don’t forget that I am also a member of the American Law Institute (ALI) and an advisor to both the ABA and the Restatement (Third) of Trusts.

TTR: How could I forget to mention those significant accomplishments? Well, professor, it must be nice to teach law school as opposed to actually practicing tax law.

Professor: Well, I thoroughly enjoy both, but I like being able to give something back by training the next generation of lawyers.

TTR: How can you say you enjoy both? You have been teaching at Drake Law for 32 years, correct?

Professor: That is right. I have taught here since 1977. But like every faculty member at Drake Law School, I have actually practiced law.

TTR: Why do you believe that a student asking an incisive question is “as rewarding as anything in the law”? This is not necessarily a great accomplishment, in and of itself. Junior high school kids ask piercing questions all the time. What makes it so special when a law student does so?

Professor: Yes, that does occur. However, those middle school kids are not asking deep, penetrating questions with regard to estate planning or the complexities of the U.S. Tax Code.

TTR: I don’t see why a normal, healthy twelve-year-old would ask such a question since these are not typical areas covered in middle school. Back to my previous question: What makes it so rewarding for you to hear a succinct question from a student taking Wills and Trusts?

Professor: It shows that my legal background and method of teaching have an impact on my students, who as you well know will be practicing law and making a difference in the lives of others. They will seek justice throughout their professional careers.

TTR: They will seek “justice” as transactional attorneys in estate planning? That is, of course, if they can find work as an attorney.

Professor: Sir, I will stop you there. Are you not aware of the fact that 97.4% of Drake Law graduates are employed within nine months of graduation?

TTR: Employed in what capacity? The law school relies on self-reporting data to reach this figure, correct? How many graduates, as a percentage, actually report their employment status to the school? Who audits the self-reporting employment and salary figures?

Professor: I don’t have time for these irritating questions, sir. Good day.


  1. "97.4% of Drake Law graduates are employed within nine months of graduation?"

    "HOw many grads are employed as lawyers or high level legal jobs?," that should be the question! Lets face it, you and I need to eat so we need to get a "job" to pay the bills. That job could be flipping burgers or processing claims. It's a bad question that could lead to a profitable answer for them.

  2. I went to a law school north of you. I also post on JD Underground. Posters like Vencerem and Sadzera must be silenced.

  3. We have a few college students online from Drake University and we love your blog postings, so well add your rss or news feed for them, Thanks and please post us and leave a comment back and well link to you. Thanks Jen , Blog

  4. So you were crying in 09 and STILL havn't made it work yet? SHIT, you could've gotten an LLM in that time instead of just crying so much.

    Then again, you the winner.......

  5. An LLM is typically pointless, idiot. You have further proven that you are not a serious poster.

    What is the point of taking oneself out of the job market for a year - when one is already employed full-time with good benefits and vacation time - to incur more NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt?!?! Will an LLM in Food Law help one find a legal job, dumbass?

  6. Who said to take yourself out of the job market? Why not sit the bar, while working? Then you have more options and your degree is used for more than just a bookmark in in a nancydrew mystery novel.

  7. will an LLM help find one a legal job?


    You don't "need" an MBA to get a job in Business, but good luck finding one without it that will work up to the TOP of the foodchain. If you want to fix peoples computers and take out their garbage, then no.
    If you want to be the guy who has people like you work for her.....then yeah. Very much so.


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