Sunday, April 4, 2010

Public Interest Toilet: Mercer University Walter F. George School of Law

A tip of the hat to Angel and HardKnocks for highlighting the Facebook fight between Mercer law students and faculty.

Tuition: For the 2009-2010 school year, tuition and fees - for a full-time Mercer law student - amount to a very reasonable $34,330. After all, who can’t afford to spend about $105K for a world-class “legal education”? (It is world class, isn’t it?)

Total Cost of Attendance: A full-time student at this prestigious, southern law school will incur another $16,000 in living expenses for the 2009-2010 academic year. Since the school lists monthly living expenses for the academic year, we will be nice and multiply the school’s figures for rent, food, utilities, transportation and personal expenses by a factor of nine. We will also add $2230 - the school’s estimate for books, health insurance and Stafford Loan fees. Doing so, we reach a total estimated COA of $50,330 per year for a full-time Mercer law student.

If we want the student’s living expenses to reflect reality, this figure would amount to $54,920. This also seems more accurate, seeing that an actual law student will have living expenses for 12 months out of the year.

Ranking: After such immense costs to the student, surely the school has a sterling reputation. I mean, the school needs to justify these costs, correct?! Well…according to a little publication called US News & World Report, Mercer Law School is in the third tier of American law diploma mills, i.e. it is a third tier toilet.

Employment Prospects: Okay, Mercer is a TTT. Let’s accept that and move on. Look, 86.8% of Mercer’s Class of 2008 was employed (or seeking an advanced degree) within nine months of graduation. And only 7.59 percent of this class was unemployed and seeking work. (But, don’t mind those people. They probably aren’t trying hard enough or “networking”. You, with your 3.4 GPA in Women’s Studies, will be different, right?!)

Go to page 3 of this PDF. Only 79.37% of survey respondents reported their salaries to the Career Development Office. Based on this sampling, the school alleges that the average salary for all graduates – from the Class of 2008 - was $71,906. I wonder what these figures would look like if the remaining 20.63 percent had supplied their info. It seems plausible that those who make a pittance might be too embarrassed to report their salary info to this magnanimous institution of higher education.

Let’s see what the school has working for it.

Ooh! Behold the law school’s Trophy Case – to display its prowess in moot court, i.e. fake court, competitions. Wow! The program was a finalist in the 2008-2009 Weschler Buffalo Moot Court Competition. Are you kidding me?!? This program is amazing, as it has sustained success in the Gabrielli National Family Law Competition. (Of course, the guy swiping your Food Stamp card might not be so thrilled with your moot court success. Who knows? He might be a Mercer JD, as well.)

Unfortunately, for the purposes of finding gainful employment, nobody with an IQ above 65 cares that you wrote onto the Journal of Southern Legal History.

But, at least you get to take part in the school’s laptop program! Is Harvard willing to give their incoming first year students a laptop? Ask yourself that. (Mercer’s laptop even comes with a Nylon Carrying Case!)

Look, the school was ranked sixth among public interest law schools, by PreLaw magazine, a pro-industry rag – in its Fall 2008 issue. At least, PreLaw magazine comes in handy when you run out of toilet paper.

Conclusion: This school simply charges too much to justify its 86.8 percent placement rate. You will also be competing against students from stronger law schools in the area, i.e. Emory, U. of Georgia, Georgia State. And don’t forget regional powerhouses such as Duke, UNC, U. of Tennessee, Vanderbilt, etc. Many of these schools are also much cheaper to attend. In sum, attending this school is a poor decision. On top of this, the school also shoves “public interest” onto its students. If you want to “save the world,” you can do so without going $110K-$160K in non-dischargeable debt.


  1. I attended a law school, and I have tremendous admiration respect for my former law professors. I have also taught LSAT prep courses. I don't understand where all the negativity comes from. I do not know what you seek to accomplish with this blog. All I can tell you is that this endeavor will end very badly for you, if you proceed down this path. Don’t you and your bitching colleagues realize that law schools are designed to train one how to think like a lawyer? Learning how to be one comes from on the job experience.

  2. Dude, you're a genius. There are so many TTT schools out there, and more being accredited every day, your blog will never become obsolete. I wish I could say the same about my legal career.

    1. pussy. be better at life

  3. if I cannot get a gummint job, I am going to have to divorce my wife so I can get food stamps. She has a bunch of stocks she cannot sell because they dropped 50 percent in value.

    As for the idiot above who throws out the 'trains you how to think like a lawyer,' you must be a law student or a wannabe or someone who got a job out of law school. You don't have any idea how frightening it is to come right out of law school and be forced --through personal finances--to have to go up against other lawyers, real lawyers, lawyers who got jobs and training--without having had that training yourself.

  4. Did you ever stop and think that maybe you losers weren't cut out for law? It takes a special person with the right skills and attitude to do well in this profession. Sure I had some help from relatives in getting my feet planted. But I didnt learn how to be a lawyer by attending ls. And that is all these schools pruport to do. This blog may even be right about fraudulet stats. But nobody forced you guys to pay $100,000 for a legal education. Move on and quit smashing people's dreams of becoming an attorney just because you fell on your face.

  5. From where we can get a fake university diploma is no longer a problem shooting question because such fake certificates can be obtained through online websites.

  6. "Sure I had some help from some relatives" = "momma and dadda paid my bills and gave me allowance and dadda's boyfriend hired me cause dadda hired his boyfriend's son"

  7. It is obvious that anonymous at 3:08 and 7:58 does not understand what it is like to go up against experienced, skilled attorneys – when you have no experience and few resources. He evidently will not need to spend his own money, in order to gain the experience. How is a recent law graduate of modest means supposed to compete against established solo practitioners and law firms – when he is unknown and does not have the money to advertise his services? (Remember, most of us lost income for three years.)

    The fact is that established lawyers – especially firms with a solid, local reputation – can blow your ass out of the water with their advertising budgets. Just because you decide to hang out a shingle does not mean that clients are going to magically appear in your office/sister’s basement.

    Grads from lower-ranked schools have MUCH slimmer job prospects than those from elite law schools. Those who attend over-priced diploma mills such as Mercer should drop out after first semester – if their grades do not place them in the top ten percent of their class. The exceptions to this rule are: (a) those who have legal employment lined up prior to law school – and WILL make an income that will allow them to pay back their loans and obligations; (b) those who are independently wealthy and simply want the extra credential; and (c) those rare students whose employers will pick up the tab for law school.

    As far as “learning how to think like a lawyer” goes, would you go to a doctor who only “learned how to think like a doctor”? This is a farce; the schools say this to get themselves off the hook when their recent grads get in trouble with the bar. Is this “skill” worth $105K in tuition plus opportunity costs for three years?

  8. Nando, your site is eye opening. I ran across it when I began having doubts about going to law school. Now I just got into Ohio State Moritz College of Law but I can't find any of your posts on this school??

    I have money saved up. So when all is said and done I would only get loans for $40,000 total for all three years. Even so would it be worth it going to Ohio State, not a top 8 school??? Please help.

  9. @8:09

    Your question depends. Contrary to what most people think, the decision to go to law school is not that simple. So here are some suggestions:

    First, do you actually want to be a lawyer? Don't go just becaue you feel that you have no other options. Try to get a good sense of what it is lawyers actually do (a lot of which is tedious, mind-numbingly boring work) before making a decision.

    Second, what do you do now, or in other words, what other career prospects would you give up to attend law school? Are you in a profession that you like (or can at least stand) where you can grow and make an income that you can live comfortably on? If you're working at McDonalds with no other options, then giving up three years in earnings to attend law school won't seem like that big of a hit. But if you're in a decent job and make decent money, then those 3 years will be costly.

    Finally, where are you from and where do you want to practice? If you're from Ohio and want to practice there, then OSU is not a bad choice. It has a solid reputation in Ohio and is respectable throughout the Midwest. If do somewhat well at OSU, you have a decent shot of landing a job in Ohio (Cleveland, Columbus, or other cities). However, if you have no connection to Ohio, local firms will be reluctant to hire you. Also, if you want to practice in another city (Chicago, NY, LA etc), then OSU won't be the best choice because not that many firms from those cities participate in OCI at OSU and major markets are very competitive with IVY grads, strong regional school grads, and to a lesser extent, grads from local TTT schools.

    In short, you need to weigh a lot of factors in making your decision. 40K TOTAL debt (living expenses too) is not bad, especially if they are federal loans. You won't need to land a 100K+ gig to pay back loans and live comfortably once you're out. I'm happy with my decision to attend law school (I went to a regional school that is ranked slightly higher), but only because I went for cheap (45K in loans total) and was able to secure a government job. Of course, things are much worse now then when I graduated three years ago. The one thing for certain is that no one person can answer this question for you, particularly a blogger (no offense Nando).

  10. "Move on and quit smashing people's dreams of becoming an attorney..."

    LOL...that's right, these blogs are to blame for "smashing people's dreams." What we need is more cheerleading, dammit! Come on Nando, Mr. Gloomy-Gus Smasher of Dreams...get with the program!

  11. Nando: I sort of agree with you. As an experienced practitioner, I will fully concede that:

    1) Law school is useless for practice, overpriced, and they have painted a "misleading" picture of young lawyers job prosepcts; and
    2) Recent law graduates should not attempt a solo practice unless it consists solely of doing overflow for experienced lawyers. There are too many pitfalls for malpractice, too many things you don't know. Experienced lawyers will eat you alive.
    3) There are basically three categories coming out of law school: BIGLAW associates, mid - small sized associates, and shitlaw (i.e. document review or part time per diem for a solo). It's debatable whether BIGLAW is better than smaller law in the long run, because most BIGLAW associates don't make partner and never learn how to actually practice, plus most of their client base isn't portable. Imagine making $155k a year, getting laid off, and then going into a solo practice at $40k a year. OUCH! Smaller firm practitioners move up more gradually. However, a six figure salary right out of the gates kills all that student debt, plus BIGLAW associates know how to draft well. BIGLAW trains their associates well in everything except the pragmatic aspects of law. (i.e. where to file, how to deal with a clerk, etc.) But yet I digress...

    Law can be lucrative, but there is a steep learning and financial curve at the beginning. Once you find a job, gain experience, develop a practice area, and develop a client base, it can be rewarding. However, if you're LUCKY enough to get in with a firm out of law school, you'll probably spend the first 2 - 5 years making around $50k a year, benefits if you're very lucky. (I was lucky for getting both of the above right out of school. VERY lucky.). Once you've done that, law can be lucrative. Law is one of few fields where any schmuck with a computer, experience, networking ability, and a little bit of savings can start their own business.

    That said, there are career fields that require less education, have less of a learning curve, and are less risky than law where you can make money. A number of lawyers never find that first job, where an attorney takes you under his or her wing to teach you have to practice, and then end up slumming around in document review forever. They find that their JD makes them "overqualified" for anything and everything, and "you're a lawyer, why would you want to be a mid-level insurance adjuster?" (because it pays a reasonable salary and offers health benefits).

    If I were a law student without any chance of finding a job, I would hang a shingle and take on overflow from other solos and do court appointed work. This way you learn the ropes, develop a practice area, learn a bunch of stuff, meet people, etc.

    If I were debating going to law school again, I would go, but the profession suits my personality and interests. I'm a networker, entrepreneurial, and I worked shitty retail jobs and waited tables as a kid to make ends meet, so making it by on a shoestring budget was normal for me. I don't recommend it for everyone, though. Sometimes the stress and fear of malpractice is overwhelming.

  12. Also, all prospective law students should be fully advised of shitlaw before entering the field. When you're in law school, they make it sound like everyone works in a mega law firm where clients will happy pick up the tab of 40 hours to write a research memo to a partner.

    The reality is, law is a cutthroat business, motivated entirely by money, and often isn't pretty or glamorous. This is particularly true of those relegated to document review or those working for clients who can barely pay $500 as a retainer. Add debt in the amount of $150k and it's bleak.

    I don't think where you go to law school is that important, though. If you don't make it into BIGLAW right out of law school, it's more about the experience and network you develop while in law school.

  13. To: 8:38
    From: 8:09
    Hey thanks for the advice. The problem is I don't really like much of anything...mainly cause I'm burned out from undergrad (1 yr ago) and depressed about the economy. But I remember what I used to like before...mainly the the constitution and linguistics. I thought I'd teach legal research and writing. Unfortunately the market is so saturated right now, it seems someone with no connections like me would do best going into another field. My friend suggested forensics...

    As a recent college grad I don't really have any career prospects, besides becoming a high school teacher.

    No I'm not in Ohio but a neighboring state. Thanks for the advice.

  14. What country did all of you cry baby, "give me a handout," "why dont I have an automatic job after squeaking through law school" pansies grow up in? Are employers discriminating against JD's out there? Is there some reason, other than your lack of competitive edge in the free marketplace, keeping you from finding a job? Nobody forced you to go to law school, and nobody is going to give you a job with an entitlement aditude like you all apparently have.

    Yes, the market sucks. Get creative.

    No, you may not get a legal job right out of school. That may be a good thing.

    Yes, law schools, like this Mercer School, are way too expensive. Go somewhere else! They wont reduce tuition until people (at least the people they want) stop paying it!

    No, BIG LAW is not the awesome gravy train some of you seem to have thought it was before getting a JD. Shame on you for believing that. If it sounds too good to be true, it is!

    Take some responsibility for your own life people!

  15. To 8:38
    From 8:09

    Thanks for the advice. I mainly like the Constitution and linguistics, which is what led me to look into being a law professor. But given the state of the academic market, this blog and others like it, I may consider another field. My friend suggested speech pathology.

    No I don't live in Ohio, a neighboring state. OSU seems Ok, but I'm really having second thoughts now.

    Sometimes I think Nando is trying to discourage youth from going to law school to reduce his competition. Other times I think he's just trying to help and is telling the truth.

  16. @11:51

    The purpose of this site is not to serve as pulpit to bitch and moan about not getting a fair shake. The purpose is to spread the word about the law school scam. As you freely admit, "law schools ... are way too expensive.... They wont reduce tuition until people ... stop paying it!" Hopefully, with the help of this blog and others like it, we can stop people from paying it. Maybe we can prevent a few thousand would-be lemmings from bankrupting their futures. Maybe we can prevent law school deans and admistrators from continuing to fatten their pockets off of selling unrealistic dreams.

    A lot of us bloggers / commentors wish we were exposed to this information before we chose to attend law school and believe we would have made a more informed decision if that were the case. Unfortunately, it's too late for many of us. What's wrong with trying to help others?

  17. At 11:51, did it ever cross your mind that maybe we are taking responsibility for our actions, i.e. paying back our student loans and taking care of our other obligations? We are simply trying to warn others not to take the plunge. Attending law school is an expensive gamble/risk that does not pay off for legions of students!

    Do you bother to tell the law schools and the ABA to take responsibility for *their* fraudulent actions?! Do you instead congratulate the industry for running such a successful, "free market," business model?

    As far as getting creative, should a recent JD go out and practice "lingerie law" or "HVAC law"? The era of the freshly-minted lawyer becoming a successful solo has long since passed. There is a glut of attorneys in this country. Open up your local Yellow Pages and look at the sheer number of attorneys you see listed. How the hell is a new lawyer supposed to compete with that?!

    Law schools do not teach students how to be lawyers - they expect law firms and employers to train the recent graduate. When thousands of law students - each year - cannot get hired by a firm or government agency, they are hung out to dry.

    Here is a question for you: if you handsomely paid a licensed plastic surgeon to augment your wife's breast size, would you be upset if she went from a B cup to a AA? If you went to an expensive restaurant, would you complain if you got Salmonella? In sum, we paid lots of money - especially, if you include opportunity costs - for a garbage product. If the schools want to take federal dollars - and deceive more lemmings - they should EXPECT to be called to the carpet.

  18. I don't mind the surge of recent TTT law graduates hanging up a shingle. In fact, instead of losing my marketshare of clients, mine has tripled in the past year alone. My area of expertise? Legal malpractice. Be warned: If you are a newly minted lawyer who screwed up a client's case, I will be coming after you. I realize my client's judgment may be subject to the federal liens of the student loans you defaulted on but at least my clients will have justice for having novices with no formal legal training (law school does not count) represent their interests on the cheap.

  19. @1:09

    Actually, that's pretty funny, because the boom of ttt law grads has also benefited me. I sell insurance. Legal malpractice being one of the kinds I sell.

    So ttt grads, don't worry about 1:09 and his threats of coming after you. Just get some insurance from me and cover your ass. You came out of a garbage school, you're going to have a learning curve. Give yourself piece of mind and buy some insurance. Even a caveman can do it! Don't let the anti-insurance people or "insurance is a scam!" people convince you otherwise. You want to be covered. Or, I guess feel free to learn the hard way when 1:09 comes after you.

    For non-ttt grads, please consider buying some boat insurance from me when you make it into the big time and buy your first yacht.

    Many thanks.

    Like a good neighbor, I am here.

  20. The SETON HALL LAW TOILET Lied. Careers Died. Shut down this cesspool and perp walk the administration in handcuffs. Until then there is no 'rule of law'.

  21. I love these clowns who accuse Nando of being a whiner or someone trying to destroy students' dreams. The first post on this thread is laughable. All I will say is that Nando should keep up this fight. The issue is this, I think - there are people out there who should not go to law school under any circumstance, but there are schools out there who will take them in spite of this. They then spend vast sums of money to live a life of frustration and disappointment. A student with 3.8 GPA and 171 LSAT should go to law school. A student with a 2.7 and 149 should not go under any circumstance, even though crapholes like Cooley will gladly take their money.

  22. "A student with a 2.7 and 149 should not go under any circumstance, even though crapholes like Cooley will gladly take their money."

    I had a 2.8 GPA and 149 LSAT. I went to a TTTT (admitted by the skin of my teeth), made top 5%, and then transferred to a good law school.

    But I think I would have been fine regardless.

  23. Law school is a criminal scam!
    Note these posters who are connected to law schools talking about their "tremendous respect" for their asswipe professors. All they teach is in Gilbert's schmuck!

  24. I went to a decent school, T20, and I could not get a job after law school. I sent resumes, networked, did OCI, cold called, and got no where. I have never experienced rejection like that. I felt like I was trying to give away Ebola. Law school and the practice of law is crap. I eventually made it to a full time law firm job, starting pay $25,000. Every day, I hated my bosses for the ridiculous salary but I treated it as three month CLE. I applied for a car loan and the bank loan officer could not believe a full time lawyer made so little. I eventually went solo doing real estate closings and made some decent money during the boom years, then the real estate market tanked and all my mortgage company clients went out of business. I tried to re-boot the business and focused more on bankruptcies but it is not really working. The real estate market has changed and the closing work that is out there is hard fought, closing fees have gone down, it is a race to lower fees, non-attorney closing companies which charge even lower fees won a major legal case and are cutting the attorneys out of closing work, mortgage companies are getting prospected by hundreds of attorneys for their business every year, there is little loyalty for repeat business, and another annoying thing, when someone gets a mortgage they invariably have a brother, cousin, friend, or whomever that is an attorney and they want to give them the closing, because they are struggling, which of course the mortgage company obliges. It is a bunch of crap. It is like 500 people trying to get a piece of a pie that could accomodate at most 50 people.

  25. Bu Bu But! The Seton Hall Law TOILET says even if you don't want to practice that that its 'median' starting salary for 'corporate' work is 112,500!

  26. Could somebody please post a list of the law schools that are still conscripting people to attend against their wishes? Which schools are enrolling people that never applied? Which schools are continuing to draw tutition payments from peoples' bank accounts without their consent? Ha! The entitlement mentality runs deep in this country!

    To this poster:

    "As far as getting creative, should a recent JD go out and practice "lingerie law" or "HVAC law"":

    Do these jobs pay real money (as opposed to peanuts or monopoly money)? Then, yes. Take the job! Seriously though, how about corporate positions? What about non-legal jobs? Surely you can take your JD and get a job over a basic undergrad. If not, then I would suggest to you that your problem lies between your ears and not with the paper you're holding (a problem that likely pre-dates your law school experience, and cannot be blamed on your failure to prepare yourself while there).

  27. @12:01,

    I suppose the problem is with YOUR comprehension of reality. JDs are OFTEN told that they are overqualified for most non-legal positions, i.e. those employers are concerned that a person with a law degree will leave as soon as a legal job becomes available. For instance, I could not get hired on a project reviewing mortgage applications, because the company figured I would not stick around at $13-$14 an hour. (Someone with a B.S. does not present the same “flight risk.” Do you have NO basic understanding of the job market?!) Maybe you graduated from law school 30 years ago; if so, some of your blatant ignorance can be excused.

    Should the ABA continue to approve any fifth-rate piece of trash that applies for accreditation - especially if this is supposed to be a “professional organization”? Do you see why law has become a joke? The ABA has no credibility and no integrity. There are SEVERAL true diploma mills out there, i.e. Cooley, Florida Coastal, Ave Maria, et al. who accept students with 147 LSAT scores and 2.9 GPAs. Does the AMA or ADA accredit medical and dental schools with such low “standards”? (Yes, you do see med schools in the Caribbean – but those graduates must take extra steps before they can even enter the National Resident Matching Program.)

    Most law grads would be thrilled to get a corporate position, or even work for the government. However, corporate counsel openings are for former Biglaw people, or those with solid connections to the industry. Tell the recent JD to apply for a (paid) job in the Public Defender’s Office or to see if there are any JAG openings. (These jobs are currently going to private defense lawyers with 10-15 years litigation experience – apparently, these old timers couldn’t cut it on their own.) The government is cutting expenses, but yet the schools keep pumping out close to 45K law grads EACH year. Do the math!

    If you want to continue to defend this disgusting, filthy industry then go ahead. However, you better be prepared to argue your case with the facts and not solely on ad hominem attacks. If you are a “professor” at Third Tier Toilet Mercer Law School, drop me an email at and I will be happy to engage you in an open debate on the shrinking legal market.

  28. I am working on a follow up to the adventures of Super Toileteer, a law graduate from a third tier toilet law school. This was the first installment:

    Please feel free to offer suggestions for a story arc I am in the process of creating.

  29. hey, guys. don't waste your time on yankee doodle. If he is a law prof, he won't debate you on this. He'll just spout off some more gibberish about how you can use your JD to make a killing in the business world (even if you don't have an economics or business background, or the right connections).

    Does this ass even understand the impraticality (sp?) of going solo when one has $133,219.08 in outstanding student loan debt? And no one said the schools are literally forcing people to attend law school. Quit clouding the issue and learn to argue the issue at hand. WHat everyone here is saying is that the schools put out fraudulent placement rates and salary info. Might that have penetrated your cranium?

  30. HEEEELP!!! Some sick disgusting ANIMAL just took a HUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge SETON HALL LAW in the Office TOILET. The janitor keeps flushing and flushing but it won't go down. He is cursing it in spanish.

  31. I hope EVERY SINGLE law student reads this blog before attending law school!

  32. Rando wrote:
    "And don’t forget regional powerhouses such as Duke, UNC, U. of Tennessee, Vanderbilt, etc."

    Why the hell did you mention TTTennessee as a regional powerhouse?? Are you high? They probably place similarly to most TTTs ITE. I'd be willing to bet UNC isn't too far behind them. I think we all need to come to the realization that ITE there is a T14 and everything else is TTT. I didn't include the TTTT because I am convinced their existence is bad dream.

  33. Well, golly geez, why in the living HELL didn't I think of just getting a friggin' job in "corporate" now that I've graduated from a T14 with no job? I need to give myself a big, huge kick in the a$$ for applying for $10 an hour jobs (which I haven't even gotten an interview for, BTW, as I am, yep, you guessed it OVERQUALIFED!) when I could be working in "corporate" and making big money! No one told me these jobs are so easy to get, all you need to do is walk in and say "hey, I have a JD, sign me up on the payroll!" These people giving career advice to JDs have NO F-IN CLUE!

  34. P.S. - I too have taught LSAT and I feel like crap for perpetuating the stinking, filthy LIE that is law school and the legal "profession" as a whole to these poor lemmings lining up to jump off a cliff and destroy their futures. Why do these blogs exist? To warn people against making the same mistakes we did, that's why. They are necessary and I know for a fact they have saved some people from the same fate I face as a graduate of a law school with an EXCELLENT reputation with NO job prospects whatsoever and now I can't even go back to my old job as I'm now "overqualified" even though I really have no training whatsoever as I didn't get the on the job training a new lawyer HAS to get practicing with attorneys who actually know what the hell they're doing. I had to teach LSAT to keep myself from being evicted and yes I still feel bad about it.

  35. Unfortunately, this article, about Mercer, is 100% accurate. However, there is hope for Mercer's future as Daisy Floyd has resigned from the dean position. For six years now, Floyd has "forced public interest down student's throats" and promoted her husband's public interest program at the expense of the school's reputation.

    While Mercer is certainly not Harvard, it really is not (in the long term) a TTT. Yes, the administration (Floyd, Donovan, etc...) is awful. But most of the professors are knowledgeable and hardworking. I predict, upon Floyd's departure this summer, Mercer will almost instantly be ranked within the top 80 law schools.

  36. Until I read this blog I was seriously considering law school. Thanks for putting this info out there, before now I have never heard anything but good things about law schools and becoming a lawyer.

  37. mercer has a $100 million+ endowment from the Woodruff family (Coca Cola money) yet they continue to raise tuition every single year. in 2002 it was 20k, in 2005 it was 25k, and now it is around 30k. it is the same degree with the same classes. now they throw in a $399 laptop! BFD! and every damn year they call and ask for donations! they bitch about rising costs - which is mainly overinflated salaries and liberal fantasy outreach programs - when they inform students of yet another 'small' increase but they never seem to consider the fact that using 1/2 of 1% of that endowment would drop tuition 20%. the government continues to make the money (seemingly) cheap so there is no pressure from students to lower rates. the lenders lobby the government to make sure you can't default and a multitude of bs processing fees thrown in the fine print. and a whole new class of indentured servants are created each year.

  38. The irony is that any law school really gives its students very little. At least the Ivies yield prestige. A law school can be run (and, in some cases, I think they are) out of a converted garage. What do you need? Lights, running water, some chairs perhaps? No fancy laboratories, hospital privileges, expensive equipment (what,a fax machine, maybe?), laboratories, tools, etc. No sirree. Law school is nothing but an endless cash cow, either for the for-profit outfit that runs the particular toilet, or the fortunate university said toilet bowl is atached to, which university can then use the obscene funds raised by the law school for REAL programs like building engineering and science labs, outfitting the med school, etc. Law school is a gigantic swindle for it is the students themselves who prepare themselves for the actual licensing. And, as we all know, law school teaches nothing, NOTHING about the real practice of law.

    What a deal, eh?

  39. So much negative energy here. Perhaps it was not meant for you to have a career in law. Please do not be so hateful towards the entire legal profession/education system. There are plenty of lawyers out there that do great work and are very successful. Do not be so hateful towards good people who want to go to law school. Do not be bitter just because you had bad luck. With a nasty attitude you won't do well no matter what you do because your pessimistic view of the world will always have you doomed for failure.
    God bless


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    Address: 11300 NE 2nd Ave
    Address: Barry University
    City: Miami Shores
    StateProv: FL
    PostalCode: 33161
    Country: US
    RegDate: 1991-02-05
    Updated: 2011-09-24

    How are you doing, Barry University ass-hat?!?!

    Time Visitor Session Referrer
    Nov 3 2011 3:39pm 5 actions 2m 35s
    Nov 3 2011 3:28pm 1 action 10s mercer university law

    Since you are a delusional cockroach who BELIEVES that a positive attitude makes all the difference, the following is directed at you, bitch.

    On pages 4 and 5 of Bright-Sided, Barbara Ehrenreich wrote:

    “There is, we are told, a practical reason for undertaking this effort: positive thinking supposedly not only makes us feel optimistic but actually makes happy outcomes more likely. If you expect things to get better, they will. How can the mere process of thinking do this? In the rational explanation that many psychologists would offer today, optimism improves health, personal efficacy, confidence, and resilience, making it easier for us to accomplish our goals. A far less rational theory also runs rampant in American ideology—the idea that our thoughts can, in some mysterious way, directly affect the physical world. Negative thoughts somehow produce negative outcomes, while positive thoughts realize themselves in the form of health, prosperity, and success.”

  41. I know this is an old thread, but I feel the need to make a comment.

    Full disclosure.. I am a Mercer University Employee, though not at the Law School.

    The reality of ALL higher education is that a private university is almost always more expensive than in-state tuition for state school. Did you not think of that before you chose where you were going to attend Law School?

    As to Mercer specifically... after going through the very list posted by the original author... the cost of almost every law school was around the same...barring those state schools with in-state tuition.

    Regardless of what the stats you have decided to pull out and bend to you use.. Mercer is far from a diploma compare it to such organizations is a bald face lie.

    For all the complaining I see about job prospects I notice few (if any...sadly I got bored with the negative comments about 2/3rds of the way in and stopped reading them) of the responses mention the fact that a graduate in good health can easily get a job in the military . For a 6 year commitment you can get most, if not all, student debt wiped out for doing so. If you have a moral problem with that route then quit your whining and understand what making choices means. There are also several programs in many states to have some of your student debt forgiven if you choose a job in public service... do they not tell you this when you are in school? I only ask because a simple Google search or two gives you a great deal of this information.

    Anyhow...good luck to all of you.

  42. To the piece of garbgage who posted the comment this morning at 6:32 am,

    You are an employee of the university, which means that you are not objective. It doesn't matter that you are not working at the law school. Your paycheck is going to dictate your loyalties.

    If you are a Boomer pig, which I suspect you are, then keep your mouth shut, Bitch. When you attended college, tuition was dirt cheap - in comparison to today's rates. Plus, student loans were still dischargeable in bankruptcy prior to 1976.

    Also, why don't YOU sign up for the military?!?! Don't ask others to do what you have not done, cockroach! Re-read Matthew 7:20, bastard: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."

    By the way, Mercer "University" School of Law is still rated as a third tier toilet by US "News" - in the 2014 listing. It is ranked as the 106th greatest, most amazing and prestigious law school in the land. You must be extremely proud of this achievement, douche-bag.

    Lastly, a simple online search now provides decent information. For instance, when one enters "Mercer law school" into the Google search engine, this entry appears on the first page of results. I supplied plenty of my links from the commode and US "News" & World Report. Quit bitching and whining, because someone merely pointed out that Mercer Univer$iTTTy Sewer of Law is a rancid waste pile - and then backed it up with the facts.

  43. I want to add a bit to Nando's assessment of Mercer. I didn't go there, but I've met successful lawyers who have; the school has turned out plenty of state judges, biglaw partners, etc. And even some Georgia governors are Mercer Law grads.

    This fact might convince some people that going to Mercer - as long as you just want to practice in Georgia - is a good idea. HOWEVER. One thing almost all the lawyers, judges etc. above share in common is that they went to Mercer in the 60s, 70s, and 80s - back when it was a lot cheaper to attend and when it apparently also had much higher standards than they do now. As seen above, the average Mercer grad's employment prospects are pretty garbage now, and like most other law schools it's been taking students with far lower LSATs and GPA averages. However, this school (and probably quite a few other TTT law schools attached to old universities around the country) have this sort of trap quality to them that makes them potentially dangerous to the impressionable 0L. Decades ago, going to Mercer Law probably made a lot of sense if you wanted to practice in state, but these days Mercer seems to just be the desperation backup choice to the cheaper, higher-ranked UGA and Georgia State. (Not that those schools don't have their problems either, but you're less fucked there than at Mercer.)


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