Thursday, June 3, 2010

Pinch a Loaf: University of Pittsburgh School of Law

Tuition: For in-state residents attending this school on a full-time basis, tuition came out to $24,368 for the 2009-2010 academic year. For non-residents, tuition amounted to $32,364 for the same academic year.

Total Cost of Attendance: According to this same page, the school estimates that nine-months of living expenses, books/supplies, estimated fees will add another $17,684 to the price tag for a year of “legal education” at this pre$TTigiou$ law school. This would bring the total COA, for a Pennsylvania resident, to $42,052 – for one damn year of law school. For out-of-state students attending PiTT, the total COA came out to $50,048. After all, who doesn’t have $50K socked away for such an endeavor?

Accurate Total COA: Seeing that actual law students will have to pay rent for twelve months – and not nine months – we will provide a more accurate figure. It also seems that landlords prefer to be paid each month out of the year. The school estimates that living expenses for nine months will come out to $15,054 – or $1672.66 per month. This would mean that living expenses, for an entire year, would amount to $20,072. This would bring the total COA for an out-of-state student at PiTT, to $55,066. For in-state students, this would “only” amount to $47,070.

Ranking: Look – PiTT is ranked as the 67th most amazing, mesmerizing, incredible, breathtaking law school in the United States – according to US News & World Report. Wow! What a steal, right?! I mean, who wouldn’t want to pay $24,368 – or $32,364 – for one year’s tuition?! It even happens to be the third cheapest of the 67th place law schools – among the five commodes tied for this honor.

Employment and Starting Salary Figures: Apparently, the school does not provide a breakdown of job placement or salary figures, for its graduates. Who knows? Maybe PiTT JDs earn so much money upon graduation, that the school is too embarrassed to publish these numbers.

Instead, the school provides a sampling of where its grads end up. They conveniently left out the following jobs/firms: “security associate” at Toxic Bar & Grill; “identification reviewer/process server” with Club Zoo; “cocktail counsel” for Cheerleaders Gentlemen’s Club; and “cleanup associate” at Wal-Mart.

Well, at least the school is nice enough to list links to Recruiting Events, Interviewing Tips, Job Fairs, “Networking” workshops, access to Simplicity, and info on “How to Look for a Job”. I guess you can only expect so much information for the low price of $24,368 – or $32,364 – per year in tuition.

Hey, if you can manage to get into this pre$TTigiou$ school, you might even have a chance to write onto the Univer$iTTy of PiTT$burgh Journal of Technology Law and Policy. What employer wouldn’t want to hire such a heavyweight of the legal industry, huh?! Surely, placement on this journal will give you the advantage over T14 grads in the region, right?!

Conclusion: This school is overpriced, and it happens to be located in the over-saturated Pennsylvania legal job market. An in-state student at this public law school could EASILY end up $140K in debt! Those unfortunate souls who decide to attend this school as non-residents, could end up with an additional $165K in non-dischargeable student debt.

Biglaw cares about pedigree of law degree, and class rank. If you are taking on six-figure debt for this credential, you will need to make a Biglaw salary in order to make a positive return on your investment. [Third Tier Reality Check: Attending and graduating from PiTT will NOT provide you with much chance of earning Biglaw money.] FinAid’s advice on the appropriate amount of total student debt to take out:

“A good rule of thumb is that your total education debt SHOULD BE LESS THAN your expected starting salary. If you borrow more than twice your expected starting salary you will find it extremely difficult to repay the debt.” [Emphasis mine]

For you delusional pre-law lemmings out there, Mark Kantrowitz is the publisher and founder of this organization. Surely, he understands finance and education debt better than you. He does have a degree in mathematics from MIT, after all. (In fact, he appears to be a cheerleader for the higher education industry, and FinAid still recommends that you take out no more – in total student debt – than your expected first year starting salary.) Or, if you prefer, you can tell yourself that you are special and will be the exception to the rule – in which case, I will look forward to reading your law school scam-blog in a few years.


  1. or if they cannot get a job they can go solo and then fail spectacularly. And the shame of that. And the shame of spending all that time and $$ for nothing.

    Most of my classmates from LS are being supported by their parents while their vanity law practices drain those bank accounts. But rich parents have deep pockets. And they will pay a lot for a trophy child--GASP! A Lawyer!!

    Have you got a rich daddy or mommy? THen you too can be a lawyer!

  2. Did somebody say Shitsburgh law school? The city needs to bulldoze the place, and turn it into a parking garage.

  3. It's better to work as a bouncer after high school or college than get a JD from this TTT and work as a bouncer. If an employer sees "law degree" on the resume, the interview is over.

  4. Any chance that you could change your font color from yellow to something darker? Google Reader displays everything against a white background, which makes yellow font impossible to read.

  5. Kind of funny how this author tries to discourage those who wish to obtain a J.D., yet did so himself and even ended up employed in non-law! All this, despite having declared that a J.D. makes you overqualified. Go figure.

    And while I understand that one single situation like this author's may not be representative of the whole, I think that it is disingenuous and hypocritical for him to cast something in a bad light that he is taking full advantage of himself - a J.D. (through non-law employment, and not necessarily a bar license).

  6. Hey, last anonymous commenter, if you kept up with Nando's blog, you'd bite your tongue.

    What he says about it being difficult for JDs to get employment in non-legal positions is totally true.

    My spouse is a college adviser at a private university, and the office of advising is always looking for new advisers as the student body keeps growing. As you can imagine, the applications pour in, and many come from JDs.

    Gee, wouldn't a JD be in like Flynn with their high falutin' degrees? As Whitney Houston would say, "Hell to the no!" The JD resumes are the first to get tossed into the circular file, as they are considered at once overqualified--non-law folks all believe that lawyers will have high salary requirements--and underqualified, as law school skills don't transfer to advising undergraduate students.

    And, I'm sure you've heard this, but it is true, that non-legal employers all assume one of two things: 1)if the applicant couldn't make it as an attorney, they are somehow damaged or undesirable, or 2) as soon as the economy picks up, the JDs will jump ship.

    Another obstacle JDs face when going into non-law jobs is that prospective employers question the applicant's loyalty to an institution that they did not originally set out to make into a career.

  7. @ Locke:
    All of your points are legitimate. However, they only apply to some, not all, aspects of employment.

    It also appears that the author has a complaint with higher education generally, although he only casts his criticisms as a "law school" problem. With the exception of med school, there are VERY few degrees that are not expensive, there are VERY few degrees that teach real world (as opposed to academic skills). There are VERY few degrees which guarantee employment. Therefore, the problem is not a "law school" problem in this regard, but an education system problem. To this extent, the author is impugning the education system generally... which is OK to do, but its just that this approach is a little idealistic.

    In fact, a JD or MBA or any other professional degree for that matter is simply a "rite of passage." Its an exercise that shows others that you have capacity and discipline to perform at a higher level than the rest of society.

  8. I see that this site is getting some traffic from Pittsburgh. Tell me, anonymous at 7:46: do you attend this dump? Perhaps you work for this sewer of law? If so, why don’t you get out of your little office and set up a public forum where the dean of this law school and I can discuss the realities of the U.S. legal job market? If the job market is doing fine, what does she have to lose by setting me in my place?

    The following is hypocritical conduct (take some notes – you might learn something): (a) “educators” taking advantage of desperate college students and graduates who cannot find a job paying more than $30K-$35K; (b) American law school administrators and tenured “professors” make SERIOUS bank by financially ruining legions of law students EVERY year!; (c) these same institutions continuing to produce way too many JDs each year; (d) law schools publishing false and misleading employment and salary figures – to attract more applicants and students; (e) the ABA continuing to approve more law schools, when there are already 200 ABA-accredited law schools in the U.S.; (f) the ABA allowing outsourcing of American discovery work – see ABA “Ethics” Opinion 08-451; and (g) law school administrators and “professors” telling their students that a law degree opens to door to many possibilities – when this is CLEARLY not the case!

    These things are disingenuous: (a) attempting to use my situation, i.e. JD in a non-law position, to “show” that a law degree does help people land non-legal employment – when I have previously mentioned that I was fortunate; and (b) insinuating that I “took advantage of a JD” and now seek to dissuade others from taking advantage of the same.

    The reality is that full-tuition scholarships are not given out to many law students. I intended to practice law, but I had no viable options for legal employment. Also, tuition is at an all-time high. This is compounded by the fact that the legal job market is anemic – even according to James Leipold, executive director at NALP:

    “The national economy is still volatile and the legal economy remains anemic,” James Leipold, executive director of the Association for Legal Career Professionals, said in an e-mail.”

    As this blog has pointed out SEVERAL times, recent law grads are coming out with more NON-DISCHARGEABLE student debt while facing shrinking job prospects. The law school industry then tells law students not to be greedy. Apparently, it’s okay for “law professors” to expect six-figure salaries for “teaching” theory 4-6 hours per week. How does that square with YOUR sense of morality, 7:46?!?!

    Quoting 8:56 - “In fact, a JD or MBA or any other professional degree for that matter is simply a "rite of passage." Its an exercise that shows others that you have capacity and discipline to perform at a higher level than the rest of society.”

    Do not post your elitist garbage here. Critical thinking and “discipline” are not endemic to white-collar workers. Warehousemen, firefighters, and other blue-collar employees also engage in analytical thinking. By the way, go tell a Marine how disciplined your JD has made you; for your own safety, make sure to do so from a safe distance. Attaining an advanced degree simply shows that someone has jumped through all the hoops, and can follow directions. My wife’s father is a bank president and he likes “college grads because they can follow orders.” So much for independent thought and leadership helping one land a job, huh?

  9. Nando, great response.

    Now I must post a plea. Pretty please, would you at some point take on my own hometown TTToilet, University of Baltimore School of Law? I was inspired by a posting from a OneL that Esq. Never was mocking, who declared his/her desire to possibly attend this terlet and then practice law in DC.

    Understand, I love Balmer and I bleed Ravens purple, but this place needs to be exposed!

  10. Baltimore Got Back-handedJune 3, 2010 at 11:07 AM

    opposum, Nando beat the living shit out of your alma mater back in February. here is the link to that entry -

    SUggestion: Maybe you could provide a list of the schools you have blown out of the water, on the left-hand side of your blog. Thx.


    Brutal. Have you touched on NYLS before>

  12. I think it's fair to say that Nando got his non-legal job DESPITE having a law degree not because of it.

    Virtually any honest account by a person who is employed outside of law with a JD will note that he/she had to find a way to explain away the law degree.

    Many of us (myself included) have not been so fortunate as to be able to do so.

  13. The right thing for law schools to do is to shut down for a few years - but there is no way that will happen. At the very least, they need to warn students that they are taking on massive non dischargeable debt and will probably not find work as a lawyer any time soon.

  14. Midlaw partner here to say that if you are going to the cesspool known as Pitt law, you better include the cost of upkeeping a beagle in your COL/COA analysis. The last time I went to Pittsburgh, the hotel I stayed in had bed bugs.

    Thankfully, I have no business in Pittsburgh and if the opportunity ever arose, I would just send a warm body to cover.

  15. Ah, here is the expose on the bed bug problem in Pittsburgh. Check out the video to the left involving a UPitt student that was viciously attacked by an army of bloodsucking bed bugs:

  16. Santa Clara next! it's ranked 30 spots below this school and is more expensive.

  17. I came from the Pittsburgh area. Here is a few things that I heard and saw on the topic of Univ Pitt Law:

    1) The two main Law schools in the Pittsburgh area are Pitt and Duquesne. Pitt is public with no P/T program. Duquesne is Private with a F/T and P/T program. Duquesne has a TTTT ranking a far cry from what it was.

    2) The other main feeder schools in the Pittsburgh area are: WVU, Penn State, Dickinson, Univ Akron, Case Western, Northern Ohio, Ohio State, and Cleveland State. Gotta love that competition for jobs.

    3) Pitt's Law Library is nice for a TTT but Duquesne's Law Library is by far better and more used. I meet my first Pitt Law Student at the Duquesne Law Library.

    4) The Oakland area of Pittsburgh is very very expensive.

    5) The Pittsburgh Legal job market is saturated. Last time is was in Pittsburgh, I talked to two Pitt Law grads back fixing furnaces.

    6) Pitt is mainly a commuter campus.

    7) Pittsburgh in 1970 was the 7 largest city in the USA and 4th in Corp headquarters. Pittsburgh in 2000 is 36th largest city in the USA and 20th in Corp headquarters. It has lost ground badly.

  18. when going to school becomes a bad investment, socialism is in full effect. Its been a slow walk towards it, but if this is the reality of the legal profession, then it is now upon us.

    I guess I have my head in the sand as a 15 yr practicing lawyer who probably got lucky after having graduated from a 4tier toilet, but my practice will die a slow death for many reasons and i am not unaware of the future. Lets hope I can just bank enough before it does. You kids with 100k plus loans, I feel for you and its a shame you learn things too late. Atleast there are blogs out there to give good information so thanks for sharing.

  19. Wahhh! I went to law school and no one will hire me. Wahhh! I was stupid enough to borrow hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it. But I live in America - where nothing is ever your own fault. I think I'll start a blog and blame every law school in the country for my own failure.

  20. Mr. Gazister,

    Your comment is ill-informed. You clearly have not thoroughly read this and other entries from Nando's oeuvre. (Not to mention the many other scambloggers out there.)

    We are not just a bunch of whiny losers from the entitlement generation who expect high-paying jobs to just fall into our laps for the asking.

    What we all are trying to do is help prospective law students get the full story when it comes to the law school industrial complex.

    Until law schools can be trusted to publish accurate and verifiable statistics about employment rates upon graduation--we'll be here.

    Until the U.S. News rankings are completely overhauled to reflect reality, or abolished altogether--we'll be here.

    Until law schools begin to actually teach their students to be lawyers, and not just law students--we'll be here.

    Until the lemmings on TLS finally stop believing all the misleading and fraudulent information put out by law schools, NALP, and the ABA--we'll be here.

    So go ahead and start a blog of your own, Mr. Gazister, because you've failed to make any valid points on this one.

  21. re: Locke @ 8:59

    "we'll be here . . . . we'll be here . . . . we'll be here . . . . we'll be here"

    Since you clearly love being overdramatic, why don't you just write "they can never take our freedom!" and be done with it?

    Please take your inflated sense of worth down a notch.

  22. @ "Mr. Gazister":

    First of all, your juvenile remarks are not typical of a real man. So, lose the prefix.

    Second, I did not take out six-figures of student debt for law school. In fact, my combined student debt is well below $100K.

    Third, I have a job, idiot.

    Maybe you can try something called reading. You start by scanning your eyes from left to right. Then you go to the next line. Those grammatical units ending in a period (.), question mark (?) or exclamation point (!) are called sentences. Also, for your information, sentences typically express an independent statement, request or question. Several sentences usually make up a paragraph.

    You then go to the next paragraph, and so on. Paragraphs deal with a particular idea, i.e. "Gazister is a tool of the industry." (Paragraphs are also distinguished by the fact that they start after a line space, and/or a new indentation.) You can even try reading more than one entry before coming to a sophomoric conclusion about this entire blog. (Were you aware of that, Gazister?)

    As far as reading comprehension goes, you are on your own.

    Lastly, you gloss over the fact that THOUSANDS of law students – each year – are left out in the cold, in terms of finding a job. Also, legions of law grads are drowning in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt. The job market is shrinking, thanks to outsourcing, advancements in technology, etc. Why don’t you grow a spine and a pair of balls and ask some serious questions about the higher education industry in this country?

    For instance, how does sentencing an entire generation of young people to a lifetime of debt servitude improve society? So, it’s a good thing that volumes of highly-educated people cannot afford to buy a home, get married, or have children?!?! (Let me guess: you ignore the role that schools play in our financial mess, but will be the first person to bitch and moan when legislators later decide that we need more foreign labor to pay into the tax system/SSI and have more kids – to make up for our low birth rate?) In sum, you are financially illiterate, as you simply do not understand the implications of young people taking on too much debt while facing a world of lower wages.

  23. In my thirty years of life, I have yet to see anyone with a J.D. begging on the sidewalk for spare change. This blog is sort of alarmist and attention-seeking.

    You know, a J.D. may not in most cases enable your path to riches and status. However, a J.D. WILL greatly increase your chances of establishing, at a minimum, a moderate-comfortable standard of living. It all just depends on who you are and what you want out of life.

    1. FUCK YOU BITCH (sorry 4 years too late). Class of 2010 here. I made $19k as a solo last year and can't afford to panhandle because it'll ruin my ability to make $19k next year. I sent out almost 200 applications and resumes the year I graduated; I got 3 rejection letters in return and no interviews. I graduated middle of the pack from a high T2/low T1 school. My average annual income has been flat at $20k/yr. or so since I'd graduated. And since Obamacare came out, I've been forced to spend an extra couple of grand buying something that I can't afford and frankly don't need (since I realize that one's health is priceless and keep myself healthy). The most I made was when I got a doc review gig the year I graduated. So while I wear a suit and argue with Biglaw mercenaries at court, it doesn't mean I actually have a "moderate-comfortable" [sic] standard of living.

      There will be a special place in hell for asshole shills like you. Preferably a real hell soon to come when the gap between the haves and the have-nots, the fleecers and the fleeced, can't stretch any longer and break.

  24. joe's raging bile ductJune 4, 2010 at 8:37 AM

    Yes, wilson, someone going in the hole financially $150,000 for a realistic chance to earn $40,000 after graduation is a wise choice. btw, what would you call the salary/job stats put out by the law schools? propaganda or objective facts?

    the guy down the street from me mows lawns for a living. His house is paid for, and he couldn't be more than 40. I, educated pawn, on the other hand, can look forward to another 20 years of mortgage and student loan payments. How 'bout that?

  25. @8:01AM

    I have never seen an albino kodiak bear but I am told they exist. Just because you have never seen a homeless JD holder doesn't mean they are not out there. Check out this story of a "prestigious" homeless lawyer who comes from Harvard/Columbia Law pedigree:

  26. Speaking of more recent homeless lawyers, here is another example (Dedman alum) of one who actually argued on the losing side of a U.S. Supreme Court case:

  27. As far as those overly leveraged educated people go, I have little sympathy for people who shoot themselves in the foot and then cry because they are hobbled. They did it to themselves. I am just sorry that the rest of us are proabably going to end up participating in some sort of bailout of these people who had delusions of grandeur and thought they could easily rise above their station by simply borrowing money to go to any law school that would accept them.

    P.S. Nando, Thank you for the tutorial. My life is changed and I am enlightened. I will continue to be amused by your blog.

  28. you can take comfort in your federal taxdollars going to support the overpaid law professors at these diploma mills. perhaps you are on of these vile rodents? Anyway, the schools lied to these students about their law degree leading to untold doors being opened, and the moment they graduate, the school disavows any role in the glut of attorneys. And, yeah, deferring income for 3 yrs and taking on six-figure debt = "easily rising above their station"/

    And, uh, did you complain about the Bush-Obama $700 billion bailout of the banking industry? just asking for some consistency.

  29. President Obama's fiscal "responsibility" increased our national debt from $12 to $13 trillion in just the last 197 days. This guy is spending more money than Bush did. This country is already spending money your great great great grandchildren haven't earned. I vote no more bailouts, even for college or grad students.

  30. I'm willing to bet Gazister is an elitist, condescending law prof that hasn't practiced in 20 years, if at all.

    The guy's mad at this blog because he's afraid it will take away his meal ticket. And it's quite a nice one too! Spend a few hours a week teaching about the Rule Against Perpetuities and then collect a six figure paycheck. He's saving up for a new luxury car but no worries--the admissions office is busy cooking up some more fake employment stats. He'll get some fresh new Sallie Mae money in no time.

  31. If you want to take on the PA law schools, read/comment on the article "Is Law School Still Worth It?" in the May/June 2010 The Pennsylvania Lawyer. The most revealing info(left out of the article) comes from the full interviews of the deans. Sadly, this information is only available to PA bar members (when it is already too late) and not to prospective law students. The article advises that readers contact the editor, Geoff Yuda, at for the full text of the deans' responses. I recommend contacting him and requesting the article and full text of deans' responses. If he refuses, post this fact, and I will send/post the information.

    Here's a sampling of the questions to deans:

    "What trends do you see at your school in the percentage of graduating classes employed immediately or in the near-term after graduation?

    "In what year did you graduate from law school and how much law school debt did you have when you graduated?

    "Is law school too expensive today? And if yes, how can this be changed?"

  32. In State with about a 95% combined scholarship at U Pitt Law, so I'm going.

    Nando, still living in your sibling's basement typing along about law schools you never attended, huh?

    Nice! Your bitter, defeatist attitude surely carries over to your non-career.

    Rah! Rah! Pitt Law!

  33. To the PiTT cheerleader above,

    If you are receiving that type of scholarship, you probably should go. (Hopefully, it is not contingent on maintaining a high GPA. With your sub-par reading comprehension skills, it is highly unlikely that you will earn top grades.) Did you see where my header lists receiving a full tuition scholarship as an exception to my general rule of not attending law school?

    Also, my sister-in-law is NOT my sibling. For your information, genius, siblings share at least one parent. I can't believe I need to explain this basic biological fact to someone getting ready to enter graduate school. Is PiTT handing out scholarships to mentally challenged people now?

    Furthermore, I lived with her for about six months. I have mentioned this before. And, yes, I will continue to expose these festering toilets – and attack them relentlessly with the facts. Try not to cry over this fact.

    Have fun not working for the next three years. Look up "opportunity costs" - when you get a moment. You know, when you come down from your high of “conquering the world” and becoming a master of the universe, i.e. getting into a second tier sewer. Hopefully, you will be staying with family - so you can cut down on living expenses.

    @12:33, I will contact Geoff Yuda right now. When I return home this weekend, I will post a comment on this thread letting readers know if he refuses to furnish that info. If he provides the full interviews/answers and the article, I will comment on this also. Thank you for the tip!

  34. Awww, what a sad, sad, little boy you are!

    I might suggest that you follow your own advice and consider the opportunity costs of whining and crying on your blog for oh so long! This has been grinding on...and on...and on...and on, and yet you continue.

    Look, you mad a bad choice. Yep, you might have relied on convoluted stats as part of your decision to go. I challenge you to find ANY college program that doesn't twist their stats to appear most rosy and optimistic.

    I realize that you were buy a naive young buck back when you chose to go to your particular law school, but come, is time to grow up.

    Pitt is IT!


  35. I understood at first that maybe you needed to rant a bit to try to maintain your sanity, but you've definitely crossed over to where you should seek professional help.

    Your blog, and the other scam-blogs, will change nothing. Forget your long have you lived in this country? The little borrowers like you and the rest of the students are NOT going to get a break from the government. Do you actually think that anything is going to happen where the banks get screwed and the little students emerge victorious?!

    Open your eyes, Pando. You're going nowhere with this. You're wasting your (not) valuable time when what you probably should be doing is taking on a second (do you even have one?) job to try to heal your credit rating after your big old blunder.

    You're not totally stupid, my friend. Many others fell into the same trap. I realize you wish that you could have gone on a full/practically full scholarship, but going in you thought you were going to be be rolling in the money with your big, fancy JD. You and thousands upon thousands of others.

    Do you ever wonder why you have the same people commenting on your blog for several months, with only an occasional new voice? Almost nobody cares...

    Students are going to continue to borrow and go to law school. Banks are going to continue to loan the money and then lean on the poor grads. The poor grads are going to struggle to survive. The wheel keeps turning...and will keep turning.

    See a doctor. Get some meds. Go exercise. Get your mind off of this, as you did not, can not, and will not change anything.

    Mr. Pitt

  36. Quoting PiTT 0L:

    "Rah! Rah! Pitt Law!"

    "Awww, what a sad, sad, little boy you are!"

    "Pitt is IT!"


    You are the one who needs to grow up, boy. (Maybe, once you start dating actual women - and not blow-up dolls - you will become more mature.) You also need to grow a pair of balls, a backbone, and a brain. When are YOU going to look at the facts objectively?

    This blog is not about me - it is about informing prospective law students about the dangers inherent in attaining a "legal education" in this country. It is a risky endeavor. What stake do YOU have in keeping pre-law students in the dark? Also, have you ever noticed the paradox that you hate the blog, but keep reading and posting immature comments on it?

    Enjoy the Kool-aid! Don't let the facts get in the way of your delusional opinion. Also, I was not naive - I ONLY went to law school because I received a full-tuition scholarship to attend. I even told my family and friends beforehand that I would only go, if I received such a scholarship.

    Now go complain to your mother about the "bad, evil man" trying to dissuade you from going to law school, okay? She can post a comment here, if she wants to protect her little one from reality.

  37. Aw, shucks! Thank you so much for your caring support!

    So, are you making enough cheddar now to pay your sibling back for crashing in the basement for 6+ months?

    As I've said...your blog hasn't changed anything, doesn't change anything, and won't change anything.

    Ever get tired of contradicting yourself, by the way?

    Pitt! Pitt! Pitt!

    Mr. Pitt

  38. By the way, who was your sister-in-law married to?

    Mister P.I.T.T.


  39. 'mr. pitt's motherJune 5, 2010 at 9:37 AM

    Please do not continue to publish this blog. It may inadertently cause some ambitious, smart young people to question their wise choice to attend law school. You see, my son, just receivd a 95% combined scholarship to attend the elite Univerity of Pittsburgh. (I stumbled upon this site, when I went to check in on my boy. He said he was going to mow my lawn, but I caught him in his room on the computer. he is only allowed 40 mins. of internet for the month.

    Anyway, I apologize on his behalf, for him not realizing that siblings share one parent. I think part of the confusion is the fact that his father and I actually do share at least one parent. (Actually, we share both parents.) My husband was born from the same mother and father as I, and he is 10 months older than me. We have been very cllose, and so we decided to get married the day I turned 14. Our precious littel child did not mean to insinuate tht you and your sister in law are related by blood. He simply didn't know any better, as he has us as his example.

    I need to make one more correction, and point out where you are wrong. My son does not date "blow-up dolls". (What kind of person makes such a charge anyway?) My son dates older men - that is where he got his 95% percent scholarsip from. You see, his father and I only make $600 a month - food stamps/SSI. where else was the money going to come from. But it's okay, as our pride and joy really does enjoy the company and attention of wrinkly old men. So it's nto a bother to him, or us. We are pretty accepting of things.

    again, quit poisoning young people's minds with your negativity. It is hurting the Commonwealth of Pensylvania. thanks for listening to my concerns. Good day.

  40. I respect that this blog hopefully serves the purpose of helping those thinking about law school to make a careful and informed decision - especially if they would be borrowing money to attend. Notwithstanding, it is infantile to attemp to make this point by comparing every law school in the country a "toilet."

    Anecdotally, I know several people who have attended law schools profiled on this blog. Nearly all enjoy successful careers as lawyers. This too should be considered.

    That stated, I would not encourage anyone to borrow money to attend law school just because it is something to that seems like a good idea. Law is like many other fileds - you must have a plan. The credential in and of itself will not cause opportuties to present themselves out of nowhere. Law, like many other areas, rewards those who are innovative, effective and entrepreneurial.

  41. Nando, et al -

    I received an interesting piece of mail this afternoon. It was a letter from Bank of America. Usually I just tear these solicitations in half and toss them in the garbage. However, something struck me about this particular letter. The designation "ABA" appeared on the upper left-hand corner of the envelope. Just below the "ABA" was a slogan: "Defending Liberty Pursuing Justice." It seems that the American Bar Association has collaborated with Bank of America and Visa to launch an "American Bar Association Visa Signature" credit card. It even comes with "Worldpoints!"

    Interesting. Our "professional organization" now uses its name to sell consumer credit. I would say that this is disgusting, shocking, etc... but at this point, you could tell me the ABA has their hand in an international child pornography ring and I wouldn't be suprised.

    May each and every member rot in hell.

  42. Mr. Pitt = Pittsburgh's Career Services Office

  43. "Anecdotally, I know several people who have attended law schools profiled on this blog. Nearly all enjoy successful careers as lawyers. This too should be considered."

    Shit, there are people who succeed in law? I had no idea! Thank you, Mr. Gazister! God bless you, sir. Thank you for bringing this to our attention!

    Wow! So, there are some legal success stories...this changes everything!!

  44. Hey Mr. Pitt (If you remember, he was Elaine's a-hole boss on Seinfeld; nice nickname, loser)

    Study up! Unless you finish in the top 5%, the best you will do in terms of a career is hanging around traffic court trying to pick up per diem work from speed limit violators. In the meantime, enjoy that classic page turner, Cases and Materials on Torts, 12th ed, by William Prosser, et. al.

  45. 12:33, I have not received a response from Geoff Yuda at Pennsylvania Lawyer. I requested the full text of the article, along with the deans' full responses. Would you please post the remarks from the law school deans on this thread? Thank you for offering to do so.

    For anyone else who is interested in this article, here is the link to "Is Law School Still Worth It" in Pennsylvania Lawyer Magazine:

    (Hopefully, you can stomach more meaningless platitudes and rah-rah chanting from self-interested "educators".)

  46. Wow, this guy is definitely just untalented, did poorly on the LSAT'S, got a low G.P.A. in college, and went to a shitty undergrad school. He is just angry at the system, because he wasn't good enough to be in it and now he is lashing out on all law schools. This blog is stupid.

  47. This blog has received glowing recommendations from several "law professors," moron.

    “For a thought-provoking (and sobering) blog devoted to the realities of legal education in the 21st century, one should check out Third Tier Reality.”

    -Gordon Hylton, faculty at Marquette Law

    Brian Tamanaha, law prof, at Washington University in St. Louis, supports the scamblogs.

    These blogs have also been featured in Washington Post, ATL,, National Law Journal, ABA Journal, Slate, Wall Street Journal Law Blog, TaxProf Blog, et al. We are also being featured in an upcoming law review article; the editor has agreed to publish the piece.

    Does the truth about the shrinking legal job market hurt your little feelings?! If so, then you need to grow up. That means accepting reality. This is not 7th grade when the popular boy in class turned away your advances - where mommy could make you feel better with some hot chocolate, a chick flick and some soothing words.

    Being an adult also means taking a stand and being able to articulate your feelings or thoughts. “This blog is stupid” – not backed up by any facts – CLEARLY does not fall into this category.

    I took the LSAT once and earned a 3.82 GPA at a decent state school – all while working full-time. I also landed a full-tuition scholarship. Also, you can tell from my writing style that I am rather talented. I simply did not buy into the cultural cesspool of law school, i.e. too many fragile egos, entitled children, and reverence of “the law.”

    You are welcome for the spanking, by the way. Now go cry somewhere else.

  48. Nando,

    For someone who likes to chastise his readers for their "immature" comments, you are the most immature out of them all. I actually liked this blog until I read your responses to commenters ... embarrassing.

  49. March 21, 2011 3:35 PM:

    Don't like the style, 3:35? Well, you might try NOT hanging out on law school scam blogs. By definition, we are some bitter-ass motherfuckers around here. Perhaps "Top Law Schools" or some other bullshit website will be more to your liking.

  50. As I read through all of Nando's articles and comments I have been greatly amused. He is an absolute riot.

    But he has been outshine by this poster: 'mr. pitt's motherJune 5, 2010 9:37 AM. It doesn't matter to me that it was published over two years ago, it was absolutely hilarious.

    Thank you Nando for the information and the laughs.

  51. I am a graduate of pitt law school. I regret that I went to law school and especially Pitt. I am old now, and have never made it as a lawyer. However, when I graduated, I had no debt. I believe that the yearly tuition was about 6k. I always was able to pay it with a little help from the then GI bill. The tuitions today at all schools are simply obscene. I believe that the schools know that there is so much federal aid around that they can charge these outrageous fees. However, if you are taking out these federal backed loans is this really "aid?" Ans. no, just voluntary slavery. Please do not go to Pitt law school. If you cannot go to a top 14 or 20 school, do something else. Enlist in the the military, but do something productive. Too late for me but not for you.


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