Monday, May 2, 2011

Suffocating Stench Pile: Second Tier Santa Clara University School of Law



http://law.scu.edu/financialaid/index.cfm

Tuition: A full time Santa Clara University law student will be charged $41,790, in tuition, for the upcoming 2011-2012 school year. This Je$uit school is nice enough to charge part-time law students a mere $29,524 for the same school year.

Total Cost of Attendance: The school estimates that the total COA – for 2011-2012 – will amount to $63,746. Of course, these bitches are only taking nine-month living expenses into account. Taking twelve month room and board, transportation and personal expenses into account, a more accurate estimate would be $70,375. That sounds like one hell of a bargain, right?!?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+4

Ranking: US News rates this prestigious, illustrious institution of “higher learning” as the 84th most splendid and amazing law school in the land. It shares this “unique” honor with ten other commodes, i.e. DePaul, Hofstra, LSU, Rutgers-Camden, Rutgers-Newark, Seattle University, SUNY-Buffalo, Arkansas-Fayetteville, Nebraska, and Vanillanova. My guess is that Vagina Bob Morse did not want to offend any of these schools by ranking them 87th or 91st best law school.

http://law.scu.edu/careers/employment-data-2010.cfm

Employment and Starting Salary Figures: According to the school, 78% of its Class of 2010 was employed within nine months of graduation. (You will notice that “Career Services” claims that 19% of the class is not seeking work. They incurred law school debt, but are not looking for employment, huh?!?!) $omehow, fourth tier trash cans are still claiming 97% job placement.

“The challenging job market has generated many questions about whether and how new attorneys get jobs, as well as how students can prepare to get the legal career they want.”

These desperate swindlers are blaming their low “placement rate” on the economy. Perhaps, these apologists should read the following entry, by law professor Brian Tamanaha, of Washington University in St. Louis.

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/06/wake-up-fellow-law-professors-to.html

This dismal situation was not created by the current recession—which merely spread the pain up the chain into the lower reaches of elite schools. This has been going on for years.” [Emphasis mine]

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+3

Average Law Student Indebtedness: US News lists the average law student indebtedness - for those poor fools from the $anTTa Clara JD Class of 2010 who incurred law school debt - as $106,869. Furthermore, 83% of the members of this Christian commode’s 2010 graduating class took on such debt.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2009/941/156/2009-941156617-05fa1082-9.pdf

Faculty and Administrator Salaries: On pages 18 and 19 of Santa Clara University’s 2009 IRS Form 990, we can take a look at how well the pigs are making out, on the federal teat. Dean Donald Polden made a tidy sum of $294,812 in TOTAL COMPENSATION - for 2008. Yes, Donald made $253,483 in reportable compensation from the organization, plus $41,329 in estimated amount of other compensation from the organization and related organizations.

Polden was not the only “law professor” to make a killing that year. Too bad it came at the expense of his students’ futures. Patricia Ann Cain raked in $268,289 in TOTAL COMPENSATION. Her school bio states that she is an expert in something called “sexuality and the law.” Hopefully, she recognizes that she is assisting in the financial rape of her students. Jean Love “earned” $272,988 in TOTAL COMPENSATION, for 2008.

http://www.chtlj.org/

As a student at this “elite” institution, you have the opportunity to writing onto the sacred Santa Clara Computer & High Technology Law Journal. What a privilege and distinguished honor, right?!?! If you become a student editor, brace yourself for an avalanche of high-paying job offers. By avalanche, I meant paucity of any job offers.

http://law.scu.edu/academics/jdmba.cfm

You can also enter the combined JD/MBA program. After all, who wouldn’t want to hire someone with two TT advanced degrees?!?!

Conclusion: This overpriced piece of trash produces large graduating classes into the already GLUTTED California legal job market. That would strike a reasonable person as irresponsible. The Santa Clara JD Class of 2010 had 306 graduates. If you are a student at this toilet, have fun competing for legal jobs with graduates from the following real law schools: Stanford, Cal-Berkeley, UCLA, USC, UC Davis, et al.

The fact that this Jesuit school can turn out graduates with $110K+ in law school loans shows that this school is a profit center. This pig sty then has the nerve to state that it is “dedicated to educating lawyers who lead with a commitment to excellence, ethics and social justice.” Try making a living under those pillars - while buried in a mountain of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt.

65 comments:

  1. I always find it sad when a self asserting religious school or school committed beyond the normal "pursuit of justice" joins the game just like everyone else.

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  2. Great post nando. Another corrupt school in a long line of swindlers and cheats. Scumbaggery in law school is the norm, not the exception.

    Anybody else notice how law school shills and OL's bash Nando and TTR for being "uncivil?" They shriek about pictures of crap and a few f-bombs. Meanwhile, they say nothing about law school thugs who steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from each student ruining them for life.

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  3. I laugh about that too. They screw you and then expect you to be nice and civil. Or better yet to keep your mouth shut. Keep blasting away at these shit piles. You guys have gotten the attention of the New York Times and now law profs are on board with your message. Your style got the attention of MSM. If you had been polite and civil, there is no way this gets anywhere near the attention it has. Anybody who thinks otherwise is a dumbshit.

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  4. A woman who did her undergraduate education at Vassar College is obsessed with sex. There's a shocker. At least she has successfully duped a school into paying her to explore her obsession through some tenuous connection to the law.

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  5. The Estate approves this post.

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  6. I actually enjoy when this blog goes after supposed Christian centers of higher ed. These are worse offenders than the for profit shitholes, in my eyes.

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  7. Finally, my school is up. I am *one* of the six figure success stories out of this place. I also have a friend who is on his way to being J.D. Painter Guy except that he actually passed the CA bar on his third try. He's waiting tables, making under $24K a year and is nearly 300K in the hole after defaulting on his loans.

    I did a lot of research before going to law school, and I have a niche to enter (patents) so knew my future was pretty secure. I met a LOT of students however that had no idea why they were there or what they were doing. They're mostly living in their old bedrooms they grew up in now.

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  8. If there were a true oversupply of lawyers, then we would see legal services being offered at much more affordable rates. But rates are still unaffordable, which means there is not a true oversupply of lawyers.

    To my knowledge, lawyers are charging around $200 hr. avg. A true oversupply would put rates much lower.

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  9. "$70,375."

    One of my favorite anti-student lines is when people start talking about how they worked through school back in the 70s or how working is a good way to keep student loan debt in check.

    For the 40ish weeks school is in session, law students are only supposed to work 20 hours a week. Let's assume they do that and work 50 hours a week during the other 12. At $12 bucks an hour, our little worker bee will earn $9600 pre-tax during the school year and $7200 pre-tax during the summer. With their supplementary income of $16,800, how are they supposed to keep a $70,375 bill in check?

    We really have made education about being rich and/or lucky. Someone like Ben Franklin would almost certainly get swallowed by the system today.

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  10. "If there were a true oversupply of lawyers, then we would see legal services being offered at much more affordable rates. But rates are still unaffordable, which means there is not a true oversupply of lawyers."

    If labor costs were the sole determinant of the price of legal services, you might be correct.

    Unfortunately, you're an idiot and a troll.

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  11. Evrenseven-

    I also went here. Regarding my school, I actually think their employment figured are less egregious than most schools (Pepperdine?). Having said that, it still does not make it right.

    Evrenseven, you have made similar comments about your superior due diligence and ability to market your niche over "liberal arts" majors or people that began law school without knowing their speciality. I find your comments totally offensive, pretentious, and disconnected from the reality outside your own self-centered head.

    When people embark on education, part of the process is learning about yourself and what you want to do while you are improving your education level. This is precisely why commoditizing education makes no sense and will create perverse incentives for fraud and misrepresentation like those highlighted in the NY times piece.

    Santa Clara, like most of the schools Nando profiles, champion social justice and represent Judeo-Christian values. Additionally, I don't believe our (or any democratic) society accepts that a liberal, non-profit law school should be ethically (or legally) permitted to operate like a de-facto for-profit business. This is especially true when the growth for these schools is very contingent on the continued acceptance of tax-payer funded loans.

    For the gazillionth time, this issue has nothing to do with the strawman argument that 22 to 25 year-olds suffer from entitlement and irrational feelings of self worth. It has to do with the corruption of the public trust of education, the creation of hundreds of thousands of indentured servants, and the complete failure of law schools to adhere to the same ethical standards they are purporting to represent and instill in their students.

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  12. You should have worked harder, you are lazy. Blah blah blah. You apologists are a joke. I guess the enron investors were lazy stupid greedy and should have 'researched harder'. Get bent.

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  13. @9:38 - I wouldn't feel too confident about your "career" in patent law. There are many, many individuals (myself included) that have been laid off recently. Patent law is not the gravy train it used to be. Back in the late 1990s early 2000's things were hot in patent law, but not any more in view of the economy and recent court opinions that have made obtaining patents much more difficult. You better have great credentials and advanced scientific degrees if you plan to stay in this field for any length of time. Even with those heightened credentials, there is no guarantee. Good luck. /s/ another unemployed patent attorney /s/

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  14. All you need to know about the 'ethics' of these TTTOILETS...

    The Valvoline Dean's Shakedown of corporate criminal Bristol Myers

    http://richardsalzman.blogspot.com/

    In fact, federal judges have no authority to block or alter such agreements. The discretion belongs solely to Justice Department prosecutors and US Attorneys—in effect, a semi-private system with virtually no external checks. When New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was a US Attorney, he approved a series of deferred prosecution agreements and handed out sinecures to political pals—the lucrative lawyer’s job of monitoring the corporations. In one settlement Christie ordered Bristol-Myers-Squibb to finance an endowed chair in business ethics at Seton Hall law school, Christie’s alma mater. This became a minor issue in his gubernatorial campaign but not enough to defeat him.

    Professor Kent Greenfield of Boston College, author of The Failure of Corporate Law, views all this as an ominous trend. “It has become the increasing normalization of law-breaking by corporations,” he says. When epic crimes go unpunished by the legal system, the wrongful behavior seems less shocking when it is repeated in the future, tolerated by discouraged citizens or regarded as an acceptable option by corporate managers.

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  15. Thanks to scamblogs like Nando's TTR the truth is out in the open and the mainstream media has pick it up. TTTs are going to disappear in few more years as their business model that relied on ignorant, uninformed people has been busted. It's going to interesting to watch these TTTs "educators" try to make an honest living in the real world.

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  16. I would urge anyone who has a complaint about law schools to skip filing a complaint with the ABA and directly do so Department of Education. Clearly, the ABA is MIA.

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  17. @ everseven & Dan,

    I am from the L.A., and a family member of mine attends Santa Clara undergrad. What both of you are saying is correct. I think more than anything what these kids have to realize is that they are going up against Boalt(Cal Law) Stanford, UC Hastings, & UC Davis. All of these schools are ranked far higher than Santa Clara. My family member knows many of the kids in the law school, many with good grades, good social skills, moot court, law review etc. Many do have jobs, YET, these jobs pay about the same as In-n-Out burger, actually, a 3rd year employee at In-n-Out will be making significantly more than these kids from Santa Clara Law.
    My point is, Law school is a broken model, with the exception of about 15% of the class, the time, money, & stress is just not worth it.

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  18. http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=99.130.165.194

    How are you doing in Indianapolis, Cruggs?! Is life treating you well? According to my stats, you have made 66 visits to this site since February 27, 2011 1:57 pm.

    Cruggs/Dumbass, I have seen several attorneys take entire cases – from initial consultation to final disposition – for as little as $300-$400. Maybe you could consider that affordable. The fact is that many Americans cannot afford legal services at that low price. We live in a highly stratified society, where the ultra-rich own a huge portion of the overall wealth. That said, MANY low-income clients still have the will and desire to purchase cigarettes and alcohol.

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    “To my knowledge, lawyers are charging around $200 hr. avg. A true oversupply would put rates much lower.”

    What about the licensed attorneys working for free?!?! Did you forget to include lawyers who are working as bartenders, bouncers, baristas, hotel desk agents, and insurance adjusters, in your little "analysis"?!

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  19. Cruggsmeister, the Cruggster, are you kidding me? I have friends starving on the verge of bankruptcy in solo "practice" doing wills for a handjob and a bag of Skittles.

    They would kill to make 200 an hour. Althogh it will never happen.

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  20. Long time reader first time commenter. I think that these schools are making a killing off of the students, and that most people tell kids coming from undergrad that going to graduate school is a good choice.

    Most of the people who told me to go to law school were either not lawyers or just based their opinion on what they saw on TV. I tell anyone who will listen that it is a fools gamble, and that the debt is horrible and cannot be erased in bankruptcy.

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  21. Cruggs is a troll.

    ANd drumroll please...

    'I have friends starving on the verge of bankruptcy in solo "practice" doing wills for a handjob and a bag of Skittles.'

    At some point, lawyers will give their clients handjobs after drawing up a will. As long as they get a bag of skittles. And not those stupd tropical ones.

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  22. @1.46 - I hear only good things about In and Out.

    As for the pouty attitudes round here - c'mon, you just got the Big Boss. Now you get to kiss the princess and level up into a future of unbridled prosperity and good times. Or some shit.

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  23. Nando,

    Have you or other scam bloggers ever considered staging on site protests at the law schools? A coordinated effort could be quite effective in getting more media attention, both local and national.

    It would be great to have them on the first day of classes and on admitted students day. The protesters could have flyers ready to inform incoming 1L's of the trap they are about to enter. They could also enlist the help of other volunteers who will help them move back home if they are out of state or find a job if they are not. The volunteers could also give information about getting tuition money back and cancelling the student loans.

    A large scale event like this would be a nightmare for the law schools. They would not be able to fill all the seats of the departing students (on the first day of classes). It would also be a media disaster.

    But, perhaps most importantly, you would save the lives of countless individuals.

    Keep up the great work. You're helping a lot of people.

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  24. $268,000/yr. for a tenured professor at a no-name law school specializing in sexuality and the law.

    And the young "doctors of law" who absorbed that nonsense in lieu of professional training and mortgaged their futures to pay for it are forced to beg for rapidly disappearing intermittent $22/hr. document review projects.

    The word "scam" seems almost too polite.

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  25. Interesting that someone has all this time to write this shit blog. He probably applied to this "toilet" of a school and got rejected. I graduated from Santa Clara eight years ago and am now a partner at a prestigious firm in Silicon Valley. I'm curious to know where the author went to school and what he is doing now?!

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  26. 7:54

    If you are going to lie, you should realize a couple of things:

    (a) Unless "prestigious" means a small no-name (as in not even a well-known boutique) firm, no one makes partner in a "prestigious" firm in 8 years.

    (b) If you use words like "prestigious," it indicates to those of us in the industry that you picked up the lingo from reading firm marketing materials of what is likely a small, "no one cares about you" firm.

    Bonus advice: We can easily look up the Silicon Valley firms. There aren't many as far as firms of any real weight or importance. If you are too stupid to realize it, by giving your location, the year of when you graduated, the name of the law school from which you graduated and the fact you are a partner, we can easily figure out who wrote "shit blog."

    I am just saying. I wouldn't do it. I would advise others against doing it. Mostly, because I think you are a liar so it would be a waste of time. Also, because I think it would be risky. Third, because even trolls deserve their privacy.

    However, as far as trolls go, you aren't a very smart one.

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  27. Dear Partner,

    Assuming you are not a troll, good for you that you did well with your TTT law degree. Even today SOME SC grads will get decent paying jobs and will be able to pay off their loans. The point, however, is that the MAJORITY of these recent TTT grads are drowning in debt making crap money. This is why we blog. I bet even 10 years ago when you first attended SCU tuition was probably 50% cheaper than it is today with a much better job market. So keep that in mind before you critisize.

    And lastly, don't be too upset that nando is flushing your turd TTT law school on the net lol lol. It may hurt your prestttige

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  28. TO NANDO:

    "How are you doing in Indianapolis, Cruggs?! Is life treating you well? According to my stats, you have made 66 visits to this site since February 27, 2011 1:57 pm."

    Objection, irrelevant.

    "Cruggs/Dumbass, I have seen several attorneys take entire cases – from initial consultation to final disposition – for as little as $300-$400. Maybe you could consider that affordable."

    I would love to see where these rates are being advertised. Please tell...

    "Cruggs is a troll."

    Troll = someone who disagrees with you. Grow a pair.

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  29. TO J-DOG @ 10:54am:

    "If labor costs were the sole determinant of the price of legal services, you might be correct."

    Then your "job market" complaints should be directed to the other determinants of the price of legal services, and not the law schools who create the labor supply.

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  30. "How are you doing in Indianapolis, Cruggs?! Is life treating you well? According to my stats, you have made 66 visits to this site since February 27, 2011 1:57 pm."

    "Objection, irrelevant."

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! What a tool.

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  31. "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! What a tool."

    That's your reply? Really dude?

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  32. cruggs - the irrefutable essence of the scam is that law schools pitch something - degrees leading to high probability career success and remuneration - that's just not true.

    It's a flat misrepresentation that leads the consumer into a financial commitment they then find they can't meet, not because of personal worth, or economic wanks about labour models or anything else. It's just a flat rort, same as if you contracted for a $1M house and on closing got delivered a $15 2 man igloo tent.

    everything else is static.

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  33. The only way to succeed in law school and its unique Socratic method of teaching is to experience it – to invest countless hours with professors in a classroom environment.

    law school employment

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  34. "cruggs - the irrefutable essence of the scam is that law schools pitch something - degrees leading to high probability career success and remuneration - that's just not true."

    Then how do you explain that so many attorneys currently exist choose to remain in practice? Current attorneys were trained under the EXACT same law school system.

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  35. "Then how do you explain that so many attorneys currently exist choose to remain in practice? Current attorneys were trained under the EXACT same law school system."

    eh?

    the question is are attorneys servicing the debt they incurred to get there, based on clear vendor representations that most will (a) work; and (b) at income levels representing a decent ROI that will service the debt and then some.

    the answer for many, whether employed or not, is no.

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  36. I knew a girl who graduated from Santa Clara University school of law, and was a well educated file clerk for many years before she finally got a job doing document review. This was 9 years ago. She has only been doing doc review for the past 2 years.

    I can't imagine how shitty it must be to waste 7 years of your life being a glorified secretary with an SCU law degree before finally getting a quasi legal job. Imagine have $150,000 in loans only to get a document review job paying $30.00 an hour 7 years later.

    And I hate to break it to you EvrenSeven, but you need to get off your high horse. Patent law isn't as lucrative as it once was and now more and more engineers are going to law school. It's not like 1999 where only a few engineers went to law school,now they are a dime a dozen.

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  37. So Cruggs, what's the deal? Are you a janitor at one of these schools, and if they close you will have to go back to mopping floors at the local Gulp n' Blow? Or do you teach at one? Do tell.

    Nando, which has been the cheapest of these legal shithouses to go to? They all seem to be falling into the "$70,000 a year" bracket. Just curious.

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  38. "Then your "job market" complaints should be directed to the other determinants of the price of legal services, and not the law schools who create the labor supply."

    If I were arguing for low-price legal services, sure, that would be my concern. But I'm not, and any non-troll with 3 brain cells could figure that out.

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  39. Where do you go to school cruggs? Do you wipe down toilet seats at one of these shitholes?

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  40. "I can't imagine how shitty it must be to waste 7 years of your life being a glorified secretary [in my case contract attorney doing document review] with an SCU law degree before finally getting a quasi legal job. Imagine have $150,000 in loans only to get a document review job paying $30.00 an hour 7 years later."

    This sounds like my life to a "T."
    /s/ unemployed patent attorney /s/ - got that EvrenSeven? Patent law ain't the gravy train it used to be.

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  41. To the piece of trash who posted at 7:54 pm,

    http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=129.210.212.121

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    It is funny that an alleged partner at a prestigious Silicon Valley firm would have time to check this site out and comment.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/02/02/story17.html

    On February 1, 2009, the San Francisco Business Times reported that the Silicon Valley’s two largest law firms had terminated 97 lawyers. This is in addition to cutting a combined 130 staff positions.

    “Citing the uncertain economy, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati P.C. eliminated 45 attorney jobs and Cooley Godward Kronish LLP eliminated 42, equal to 6.5 percent and 7 percent, respectively, of the firms’ legal head counts.
    Wilson Sonsini’s cuts largely affected practices tied to the capital markets. Cooley cut attorneys in its corporate, transactional and public securities practices. Wilson Sonsini cut 68 staff positions and Cooley cut 62.”

    http://www.wsgr.com/wsgr/DBIndex.aspx?SectionName=attorneys/_hsb_OPResult.htm

    Of the 17 partners listed in Wilson Sonsini’s San Francisco office, only ONE earned a law degree from Santa Clara. She went to Cal-Berkeley for undergrad, earning a B.A. in 1994. Such a driven person probably did not wait six years to enter law school.

    http://www.wsgr.com/wsgr/DBIndex.aspx?SectionName=attorneys/_hsb_OPResult.htm

    Of the firm’s 117 Palo Alto partners, only 3 received their JD from Santa Clara. All three are older people. Care to check your story BEFORE posting utter nonsense on this page, dumbass?! This firm has associates who graduated from elite law schools, served as high-level editors of their respective law review, and have been with the firm for more than a decade! Yet, you want us to believe that a graduate from this stink pit can become partner at a “prestigious” Silicon Valley law firm, within eight years.

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  42. "Then how do you explain that so many attorneys currently exist choose to remain in practice? Current attorneys were trained under the EXACT same law school system.

    May 2, 2011 11:08 PM"

    They would love to get the fuck out of law, but can't, because, as we all know, the dreaded TTT JD/shitstain closes many, many more doors than it opens.

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  43. To the mentally-challenged apologist cockroach calling himself Cruggs,

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    Here are some jobs where attorneys are only making $15 an hour or less:

    http://www.shitlawjobs.com/2011/04/entry-level-attorney-job-in-beverly.html

    Yes, a Beverly Hills attorney can make it on this salary, right?!?!

    http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/lgl/2340730788.html

    “Bankruptcy Law Firm in Elmhurst & Aurora, IL seeking for lawyer. No experience necessary. $10 per hour plus potential for substantial bonuses. Great experience. Fun work environment. Spanish speaker preferred.”

    Do you see how the oversupply of attorneys has led to watered-down wages, moron?!

    http://denver.craigslist.org/lgl/2337026944.html

    “Licensed Colorado attorney to assist managing partner of small general practice firm. Duties shall include occasional court appearances, drafting pleadings, research, and assisting with personal matters. Must possess valid drivers license. Starting pay $12/hr.”

    http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/lgl/2331047551.html

    “Attorney with a valid California state bar license in good standing needed for an office specializing in Personal Injury. Full time/part time available. Compensation is $15/hr. Please submit a resume, cover letter, and writing sample by replying to this posting.”

    http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/lgl/2321747290.html

    “Small firm is looking for sub consultant attorney to file legal documents and appear in court. Must be licensed in Washington DC. With excellent oral skills second language is a plus pay is $15.00 per hour plus expenses. Newby or retired is OK.”

    Do you get the picture, waterhead?!?! Can you imagine spending seven years – and hundreds of thousands of dollars – for the opportunity to earn to $10 per hour in Chicago, $12 an hour in Denver, or $15 per hour in Los Angeles or DC – as a licensed attorney?!?!

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    May 2 2011 1:22am 99.162.48.175 1 action 1m 59s
    "

    I guess this narrows down one's anonymity to about 1 million people.

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  45. Maybe the IP is listed to show that the commenter is a troll.

    Its not like the IP states "John Williams III, 230 Washington Blvd, Donora, PA" with a phone number or anything.

    Maybe you're new here. But I like when nando shows that some asshole claiming to be an attorney making deep six figures is actually posting from a college IP.

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  46. "'I have friends starving on the verge of bankruptcy in solo "practice" doing wills for a handjob and a bag of Skittles.'

    At some point, lawyers will give their clients handjobs after drawing up a will. As long as they get a bag of skittles. And not those stupd tropical ones."

    Well, unless ethics rules change in the future, we're all just going to make do with the Skittles, thank God.

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  47. evrenseven,

    Patent law was popular 5 to 10 years ago. Innovation has declined due to excessive patent laws and regulations. We have reached a peak in patent attorneys as well. Nowadays, you need either need a strong engineering background, valuable work experience w/ a JD or a PhD, valuable work experience w/ a JD. If you think you're getting a six figure patent attorney gig right out of TTT law, then you're being delusional.

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  48. Professor Cain has certainly come a long way since I was in her federal income tax law class at UT Austin (over 30 years ago).

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  49. Haigu, I'm not speaking of future hypotheticals. I graduated 2 years ago and I'm in the field now. I was in the semiconductor industry for 6 years and I have a master's.

    And yes, the field is getting more and more saturated. Eventually, my job will be done in India for $1.20/ hour. I just plan on having my loans paid off by then and enough in a Roth IRA to retire to Mexico and meet my death of a loathsome disease or a drug cartel.

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  50. You neglected to mention you had been in the semiconductor industry for several years and had a master's. You see how that might clarify things? Otherwise, a prospective student might think to themself 'See I can go to this school and make six figures like this guy.'

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  51. Even patent in the areas of computer science and electrical engineering (the real growth areas at one point) are difficult to get without prior experience. This is normally the first check off point toward absurd requirements being the next stop on the train toward a lose of demand. It has already happened in other areas of patent in much the same fashion where it went from B.S. to M.S. to PhD, while hopping around on one foot and speaking in Ancient Greek.

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  52. This is Teacher Appreciation Week.

    http://www.teacher-appreciation.info/Teacher-Appreciation-Week-2011/

    How 'bout some free beer for the Teacher?

    Can we get some free beer for the Band, please?!

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  53. @ Cruggs:

    If you're wondering why you don't see advertising for the cheap lawyers, the answer is: Because the cheap lawyers can't afford to advertise.

    Best,

    Captain Obvious

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  54. Are the people who succeed unwittingly in on the scam?

    Consider, the success stories have to be there, if every single lawyer was low-paid and drowning their sorrows in Popov, there wouldn't be a demand for law school. Law schools advertise the success of their successful graduates and tout their high salaries.
    The 'deal' third tier schools are 'offering' the top 10% is, if put in writing "I know a rich attorney, and he'll give you a job for 160k. But you have to help me defraud 9 other people"
    Now, almost nobody would actually this particular deal, so it's almost a precursor scam.

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  55. @Captain Obvious 9:26pm:

    In a lot of cases, true. But the public would still see cheap lawyers advertising in at least some capacity.

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  56. @ captain Obvious and Cruggs:

    Neither of you have been to Las Vegas, clearly. There are billboards as far as the eye can see for $500 divorces and $75 bankruptcies.

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  57. Vegas isn't the only place where lawyers are offering $500 divorces.

    http://www.valawhelp.com/

    'Welcome to Law Offices of John Naumovski. Virginia Divorce Attorney John Naumovski offers uncontested Virginia divorces starting from $500. The fee for the VA divorce may be paid via easy payment plans. Virginia Divorce Lawyer John Naumovski serves civilian as well as members of the military with the Norfolk office 5 mins. from the Norfolk Naval Base and 10 minutes from the Little Creek Base and in Hampton 5 minutes from Langley Air Force Base.'

    And people wonder why no one respects lawyers.

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  58. I graduated from SCU Law in May of 2010. I have a fellowship that pays under $50k, and I'm one of the really, REALLY lucky graduates. Some of my friends, those with good grades even, have had to move back in with their parents and now work in retail. It's getting really difficult to find Doc Review positions. SCU Law is a joke. I had maybe three professors who were truly amazing and who have all helped me a great deal.

    As for Love and Cain, that is one rich household they have going for themselves. I never had Cain, but Love is a genuinely nice woman and does care about her students. Not the greatest professor, though. She was still much better than the majority of the profs I had, which is saying something.

    I always advise undergrads to not apply for law school unless they know that what they want to do with their lives will absolutely require or be greatly advanced by a J.D.

    SCU Law, and most other law schools, inflates its hiring rate dramatically. They've upped their "post-grad fellowships" and started hiring their grads in their Career Services department. They also count people working at Taco Bell as being employed. As a note, SCU Law's Career Services Department is the biggest joke ever. It's pointless. They don't give any valuable advice, and they cannot even help secure internships very well. Useless.

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  59. "To the piece of trash who posted at 7:54 pm,

    http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=129.210.212.121"

    OMG, map shows SCU. It must be one of those scammers making $250K+ there.

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  60. I'm actually one of those guys who attended SCU Law in the mid 70's. Tuition was around 3k per year. I had an on-campus job and ended up about 13k in debt. First year was a head trip; some profs had seen "Paper Chase" too many times. After first year, no big deal until the Bar Exam---which was a bummer extraordinaire. In the 70's we had long hair, partied and were pretty cosmopolitan. I had a total of 3 priests as profs---one good, one bad, and one kind of nutty. It was decidedly easier in the 70's to get work; I ended up a bankruptcy lawyer---yeah, I know, student debt is non-dischargeable..If ever there was a sick joke, that's it. The credit industry owns Congress---there should be a statute of limitations on student debt...maybe 10 years---which was what it took for me to pay off my 13k. I live in the "Old Folks Home" now and don't think that I'd become an esquire for an insane amount of debt. Law practice is a grind; the thrill wears off rather quickly. I enjoyed teaching much more. Good luck to one and all!

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  61. I am from Arizona. I actually got accepted at Santa clara law. Overall ranking, ASU is much higher ranked than santa clara but I am kind of attracted to santa clara is because I am interested in IP law. I have BSE and Masters in engineering. So, working in bay area wiht part time law school at Santa clara would be perfect for me but then I am worried because that i may not get good job because I am graduating from low ranked school. What do you guys suggest?

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  62. No I didn't expect much with my SCU law degree for I did not do well. But please pardon my self serving off point gratuitous shout down to two of the most pathetic misanthrope I ever met in my life. Dean George Alexander and Professor Aidan Gough.Two that gives the word asshole a bad name. Both dead. Both rotting in holy hell I hope!

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  63. My name is Darris Thomas, and I am applying for fall 2016 admission to both the University of San Francisco School of Law and Santa Clara University School of Law.

    Originally from my home state of South Carolina, I didn't do well in college. My grade-point in college was a 2.71 and I have not gotten my LSAT scores back yet. I was elected chapter president of Pi Sigma Alpha National Political Science Honor Society during my senior year. I graduated from a historically black college (HBCU) as the first member of my family.

    Being an attorney is my ultimate dream. I worked as a legal assistant for three years to pay for college, so I am very much convinced that being an attorney is what I really want to do with my life.

    Do you think that I have a chance of getting into either of these universities for law school?

    Darris M. Thomas

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