Friday, June 17, 2011

Fourth Tier Rot Pile: Roger Williams University School of Law



http://law.rwu.edu/academics/student-finance-records/tuition-fees

Tuition: The school charges $1,295 per credit hour. This is a way for the toilet to avoid listing an embarrassingly large number. Perhaps, it hopes to take advantage of mathematically-challenged applicants. Seeing that a year’s course-load is 30 credit hours, a full-time student will pay $38,850 - for one year of tuition. Clearly, you should not pay this amount, for the “opportunity” to attend such an institution. I don’t care if Jessica Alba is teaching “Entertainment Law” in a pink teddy.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+7

Ranking: The school is requiring that you pay $38,850 - in tuition alone - as a full-time student. It must have one hell of a reputation, in the legal and academic communities, right?!?! According to Pussy Bob Morse of US “News” & World Report, the school is a fourth tier piece of garbage. Actually, the cockroach called Robert Morse lost his balls - and now refers to these schools as “rank not published.”

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2011/06/16/us-news-may-change-its-law-school-ranking-methodology

Vagina Bob now has the audacity to claim the following: “U.S. News had been among those urging the ABA to take action to improve the credibility of the important consumer information.”

Yeah, sure you have, opportunistic bitch. Bob, if you are going to be a ball-less shill for Industry, at least do so proudly and without regret. Is your conscious bothering you? Or are you simply trying to score some brownie points with your consumers/future law students?!

http://law.rwu.edu/careers/career-services-office/jobs

Pathetic Employment and Starting Salary Info: According to the commode, 83.44 percent of its Class of 2010 was employed - presumably within nine months of graduation. Yes, with such “stellar” results, who could possibly object to paying $38,850 per year?!?!

Furthermore, the tower of dung known as Roger Williams University Sewer of Law claims that the average starting salary for this class was $51,038, whereas the median starting figure was $47,000. Keep in mind that this data is based on 39 responses - even though the class had 171 graduates, and 123 of them reported being employed! Also note that successful grads are MUCH MORE LIKELY to list their income than those who are making less. This is human nature, I suppose. For instance, how many men would be happy to report that they have a 4” penis, on a random survey?

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings

Average Law Student Indebtedness: Vagisil Bob Morse and USN&WR list the average indebtedness - for 2010 grads of Roger William$ Univer$iTTTTy who incurred law school debt - as $123,338. For those interested in human suffering, 88% of this unfortunate class took on such debilitating debt.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2009/050/277/2009-050277222-05f7652b-9.pdf

Administrator Pay: On page 36 of Roger Williams University’s 2009 Form 990, we can see how well the swine are doing. Surprisingly, no law faculty are on this list. Then-president Roy Nirschel made $537,201 in TOTAL COMPENSATION - for 2008. Before suddenly resigning in July 2010, Roy made $320,292 in base compensation; $100,000 in bonus & incentive compensation; $1,616 in other compensation; $115,293 in non-taxable benefits - in 2008.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/07/16/rwu

Former Chair Forced to Resign: On July 16, 2007, Inside Higher Ed reported that the commode’s former chairman retired, after the following conduct:

“Roger Williams University announced last week that its board chair of nearly 40 years, Ralph R. Papitto, a major donor for whom the law school is named, was retiring from the board. The press release praised Papitto's "visionary leadership" and said that he considered the diversification of the board as one of his greatest accomplishments.

What the press release doesn't say is that the board today consists only of white men. Nor does it say that the board's two women and one other man were just ousted -- after the three demanded Papitto's resignation for using the slur "nigger" in a board meeting.”

Perhaps this incident is precluding the school from entering the vaunted third tier.

Conclusion: Who in the hell would take out an additional $125K-$170K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt - for a TTTT law degree and the accompanying dismal job prospects?!?! Is this commode accepting mentally deficient students? You will not be served by taking on such debt, and earning $34K-$50K per year. Keep in mind that many grads will find it difficult to find employment, including non-legal positions.

You have one mortal life. Why spend it in bondage to student lenders? In the final analysis, this stench pit exists solely for the benefit of “law professors” and administrators. They are aware that many of the grads will never practice law. Do not toss yourself into the meat grinder. These pigs will be rewarded with nice incomes, without YOU going into life-altering, soul-crushing debt. If you have been accepted to this festering toilet, it is not too late to flush the offer and walk away. Wash your hands of this filth.

98 comments:

  1. Awesome commode pic!

    It's even less shitty than the actual school.

    In all seriousness, I wonder how many people know that their education debt should ideally be equal to or less than their expected starting salary. I imagine it's very few -- I was never told this during undergrad. How else can people justify earning 47k (as this commode says is the median) while taking out 123k in loans?

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  2. What did that excrement ever do you guys? It is the end result of taking in nutrients. Energy in, energy out.

    Roger Williams, on the other hand, takes in eager students and puts them in serious debt with terrible job prospects. Then it lies some more so it can grab more victims.

    Those income figures for graduates are extremely low. Terrible investment. These men and women were sold a bill of goods.

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  3. Another worthy effort, Nando. It's funny you would even need to warn lemmings away from this school. Fourth-tier institution in a state with a perpetually depressed economy and competition from Harvard on down. For icing on the cake, the bar pass rate is 61%.

    Being RI, my guess is most of the students who get jobs do so after mom or dad makes a phone call.

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  4. change is coming:
    http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2011/06/16/us-news-may-change-its-law-school-ranking-methodology

    it wont help the '07-'11 graduates though. Also, it'll mostly affect all the schools outside the T6. should be interesting.

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  5. "FTC Should Probe Law Schools’ Employment Stats, Recent Grad Asserts"

    http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ftc_should_probe_law_schools_employment_stats_recent_grad_asserts/


    How can we help this dude?

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  6. Does that turd in the photo look like an upside down W to anyone else? Love the blog, but the pics make me want to throw up.

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  7. Got-damn! Dat turd is so mutha-fuckin' big it's got it's own congressman. Sumbitch that thing's huge.

    Hehe. It just now hit me. The person 'sponsible for dat there turd prolly jus' finished a bucket o' chickin from yours truly. See dat McDonalds and Boyger King? When customers be leavin' mah 'stablishment, they's goes home and has demselves a nice, healthy shit.

    When they's be leavin' yo' place a business, they’sa go homes and have demselves a painful shit dat looks a lot like Indonesia. Bam! Got-damn. The Colonel's gotta jam. Slap his ham. Eat his ma'am. Rats betta scram.

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  8. Another stellar post Nando!

    I had to bitch smack some wannabe elitist twit on ATL. Not sure you are aware, but one of ATL's "writers" decided a few days ago to drop her anonymous pseudonym to reveal that she is a recent grad of Western New England. Some of the comments posted to this writer’s articles often take a swing at the writer in being a TTT graduate (but I guess Elie and Lat are a-OK because they are T14 grads, but opted not to practice law for whatever reason to be editors of that shitty blog, but I digress). I know this has nothing to do with this latest TTTT you are featuring, but ATL and its readers serve as a perfect example of why people loathe attorneys so damn much and why the general public doesn’t feel that badly for unemployed law grads. However I do commend the work that you are doing and it’s refreshing to read content posted from someone who truly wants to make a difference in the legal profession.
    Keep up the good work.

    TMF1977

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  9. Hey..I know this guy..Roger Williams or is it Roger Miller?

    KING OF THE ROAD!!

    "Trailers for sale or rent, rooms to let 50 cents..no phones no pool no pets...i aint got no cigarettes"...

    Cant believe he got his own law school.

    Right name or not, this school should have a theme song like this on its website.

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  10. Nando, seriously. Stop blaming Bob Morse for all of this. He's just a magazine editor.

    He doesn't have the resources to verify all the data the law schools provide. He just doesn't. Blame the ABA or the law schools for not providing more oversight.

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  11. @12:38:

    Hi, Bob and/or US News Flunky/Intern!

    Straw men aside, in one corner there is how objective, truth-seeking journalists would act if they wished to report on and rank institutions of higher education. Then there's what Bob Morse does.

    If you can't see that he's more a Baghdad Bob than a Bob Woodward, I don't know what to tell you.

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  12. Bob Morse doesn't have resources? Get the fuck outta here, Morse.

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  13. Morse amplifies the scam by collecting and publishing those fake salary numbers. That's what got me and many, many, many, other lemmings into law

    Most of those dumps listed average starting salaries of 100k+ per year. Fucking awesome I thought. I could go straight from college, spend 3 years in school, and graduate with a job that pays six figures! and that's only the average, if I finish higher in the class I can earn even more!

    That was my delusional thought process in college. Many other 0L dumbasses thought the same way. The vast majority don't enter law school to save the world. Most enter law school to, at the very least, earn a comfortable salary and upper-middle class lifestyle.

    Morse is directly responsible for perpetuating this farce. Fuck him.

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  14. This school is shittier than shit IMO. Only certified morons would apply to this skool.

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  15. This school doesn't even qualify as shit. It's the equivalent of SHIT taking a shit.

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  16. Alhough it has become readily apparent that the number of law schools in the nation now officially outnumbers that of White Castle franchises, I remain no less amazed that these horrific places just kep popping up. Roger Williams? Get the hell out! Where is this place?Rhode Island? I would never have heard of such a place.

    Also, nice Jessica Alba reference, early on.

    NYC Hiring Partner, time to weigh in on this one...

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  17. It is definitely true that salary-survey responders are not representational of the whole class, but tend to consist of the cream of the crop (cream of the crap?).

    However, I believe that even many of these guys are being "aspirational," in line with the positive thinking hype that pervades our culture.

    I would bet that some of the 50K+ responses were based on a gracious ding letter from a public sector job, encouraging a future application when opening arises.

    I would bet that some of the 50K responses are a result of graduates earning 3K in a month doing document review and then optimistically projecting continual demand for JD coding monkeys.

    I would bet that some of the 50K responses are a result of grads earning $500 on a relative's blind guilty plea to DUI and then thinking: I could do this every day and the clients will beat a path to my door if I advertise and network.

    Roger Williams is a Fourth Tier of a Fourth Tier. Nobody has ever heard of it. I would bet that the real number of recent grads earning over 50K are in the single digits.

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  18. "JD coding monkeys".

    A classic. I am keeping that one.

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  19. 'cream of the crap'

    'It's the equivalent of SHIT taking a shit.'

    This blog is informative, honest and funny. Where else can you run into such comments, on one thread?

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  20. Hey Nando, I'm a big fan. You're doing a tremendous public service.

    I'm not sure if the scam bloggers are already doing this, but have you given any thought to weaving this factual information into the law schools' wiki pages?

    Maybe make a section that lists, and properly cites, the drop-out rates, sky-high tuition, and dismal employment statistics for recent graduates at for each one of these broken toilets, and then juxtapose that information next to the excessive compensation packages of these swindlers? Most of what you have cited appears to be public information, and I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't be included in the wiki pages

    Also, it seems like this would be really easy for you because you've done most of the research and provided the appropriate references.

    Whatever you do, keep up the good work.

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  21. I know a woman that graduated from this dump. She's now working for a small, two-man shop doing insurance defense. To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised she even got the gig. She was recommended by another attorney in town. Definitely obtained position via a connection. In any event, this school blows. Don't waste your time. If this is the best you can do, I suggest retaking the LSAT. BTW - that's one hell of a dump; it's almost a piece of art ...

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  22. 6:38 am,

    I aim to find pictures that accurately portray these stink pits. Sometimes, it is difficult to locate an image that captures the foul essence of a commode of law. I agree that many of the toilets that I have profiled are worth less than excrement. For instance, one can grow plants and crops with manure. Some people use dog feces, in compost. Furthermore, one does not need to mortgage his future - or piss away three years of one’s life - in order to receive a useless advanced degree.

    @ 11:10 am,

    I am surprised that someone has not purchased a double-wide mobile home - and installed some book shelves, running water, printers, wi-fi, and a fax machine - for the purpose of seeking ABA approval for a new law school.

    To the apologist who posted at 12:38,

    If Vagisil Bob Morse does not have the resources to verify all of the data that the schools provide, then he should state that his rankings scheme is based on the assumption that the commodes are supplying valid data. He DOES NOT do so - because he wants naïve students to believe that his ratings system is scientific.

    http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2010/12/29/law-schools-report-accurate-data-to-us-news

    On December 29, 2010, your hero asserted that law schools provide accurate data to US “News.” Yet, the bastard concludes with this paragraph:

    “Finally, does Bell's study also prove that law schools are being accurate in how they report their statistical profile data to the ABA, the general public, and U.S. News? No, this only proves that law schools are being very careful to report the same data to U.S. News that they report to the ABA for accrediting purposes.”

    http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2011/03/taking-ball-shrinkage-disorder-to.html

    By the way, defender: Shaved Pussy Robert Morse no longer lists schools as “third tier” or “fourth tier.” Law schools are now listed as first tier or “rank not published.” Yes, what a beacon of integrity and bravery, huh?!?!

    Check out University of Chicago law professor Brian Lieter's pulverizing backhand to Bob Morse's beak:

    http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leiter/2011/03/an-open-letter.html

    “When the new rankings come out this week, may I suggest that you not post the overall ranking. You all know the overall rank assigned to a school by U.S. News is meaningless, often perniciously so. You all know this. So don't report it. The fact that this garbage appears in what used to be a major 'news' magazine doesn't change the fact that it is garbage.”

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  23. That turd reminds me of the golden arches. US News should have the balls to list the worst law schools. I think US News is a total disservice to the profession, US News, ABA, and law schools have made the legal profession shit. Law school is a money making scam, so law professors can have six figure jobs, working six hours a week.

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  24. I think USNews has some blame, but we should remember that it also ranks other professions, lime medicine or pharmacy, and these are not in disarray. To me, the biggest culprit is the useless ABA.

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  25. This school is worse than shit taking a shit. Its more like a worm eating shit while taking a shit on the pile of shit.

    That guy was the chair of the law school for forty years and he pulls this crap. Nice.

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  26. @4:47 PM,

    I actually tried doing just that (putting negative information on law school wikipedia pages). Those pages are clearly written by law school admissions officers. They are closely monitored by the law schools. I posted information about salary, indebtedness for several Toilets and the information was quickly removed. Go check out the history and comment sections for the pages for Third and Fourth Tier Toilets. For example, at least one Thomas Jefferson School of Law Professor has been editing the TTTThomaSSSSS Jeffer$$$$$$on TTTToilet of Law, either completely removing negative information or toning it down. Check out how the section about the class action lawsuit was toned down.

    But yeah, I would gladly particpate in a concerted effort to convert the law school wikipedia articles from free ads to objective information. The problem of course, is that the pages are closely monitored by admissions officers.

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  27. @7:43,

    The point is that if Bob Morse had any kind of conscience as a journalist, he would make changes to his "rankings" that would help students. Bob Morse could wake up tomorrow and require that data submitted be produced through an audit of an independent third party. That, of course, could put law schools out of business. Law schools know this, so they won't comply. That leaves Bob Morse with an incomplete list of schools in his "rankings." Thus, rather than upset the establishment on behalf of future victims, Bob Morse coddles the powers that be. His ethics are the antithesis of journalistic integrity.

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  28. "In the final analysis, this stench pit exists solely for the benefit of “law professors” and administrators."

    I'm so sick and tired of these Ivy League professor fucks (or for that matter in Ivy Leaguers in general).

    Did any of you see that video on Yahoo regarding the woman who was in an altercation on an Amtrak train for using foul language? She basically defended herself stating, "do you know how well educated I am..." In any event, here is the link to the video. I highly recommend that you watch it as it clearly shows that these Ivy Leaguers are above it all. If you ever get into a position of hiring, whether your own firm or otherwise, please - say no to ivy league fucks. Here's the link:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110617/us_yblog_thelookout/woman-says-shes-too-educated-to-be-kicked-off-new-york-train?bouchon=501,ny

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  29. As further evidence that diploma mill wikipedia pages are sanitized, look at this entry:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Williams_University_School_of_Law

    "In July 2007 the school made national headlines in the wake of a racist statement made by University trustee Ralph Papitto, for whom the law school was then named, at a Roger Williams board meeting."

    This is the only blurb you will see, with regard to Papitto's conduct. Sometimes, you will see wiki pages that list the school's prior name, in the opening paragraph. Shouldn't the school be proud of its heritage?

    http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB118532905824977128-VF_XY3I36IZTx06seHOX9RR9gYU_20070801.html

    "Until last week, the name of Rhode Island's only law school was the Ralph R. Papitto School of Law.

    But after news reports surfaced that Mr. Papitto, a large donor and longtime member of the school's board of trustees, uttered a racial slur at a board meeting where diversity was being discussed, protests ensued. A group of law students swiftly demanded the removal of his name from the school. Amid a rising wave of pressure, Mr. Papitto, 80 years old, apologized and asked the board to remove his name, a request the board accepted."

    http://twilightzonewor.9.forumer.com/a/tell-us-about-your-education-level_post3214-45.html

    On this forum, user "patton29" posted the following info - on 02-21-2007:

    "Smith County High School, 1990 (bottom half of the class)
    Middle Tennessee State U., B.S., Poli. Sci., 1994 (bottom half also)
    Roger Williams U., Ralph R. Papito School of Law, JD, 2001 (yup)

    recently quit as an Assistant Manager at a Wal-Mart so am looking for something else. Still not quite sure how all that happened???....I do know I was about 1 or 2 incidents away from reacting in a manner where I would have needed to call a buddy from ole Roger Dodger to come down here and defend me.

    sure are a lot of lawyer/poli sci. types around here, huh?”

    See how successful one can become with a Roger Williams University law degree?!?! (He even misspelled the ass-hat’s last name.) You too can go on to become an assistant manager at your local Wal-Mart!! You might say, "Well, he is clearly un-motivated, and he graduated in the bottom half of his class. I will point out to you that he graduated, by his own admission, in the bottom half of his class at TTTT Undergrad Middle Tennessee State University, as well. Yet, he was accepted into the Roger Williams University Ralph R. Papitto Sewer of Law anyway!!

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  30. http://law.rwu.edu/academics/joint-degree-programs/jd/mma

    Are you kidding me?!?! Who in the hell would want to earn a TTTT law degree, and a Master’s of Marine Affairs?

    “Why consider a JD/MMA?

    As our reliance on limited ocean resources grows, lawyers possessing the skills of interdisciplinary analysis will be well-served. The program offers opportunities to:

    Gain exposure to different disciplines;
    Expand your perspective on legal issues;
    Acquire different analytical skills;
    Develop relationships with colleagues from different disciplines; and,

    Meet experts and acquire a foundation of knowledge in the marine field. Joint Degree students benefit from combining a substantial research project in the social sciences with traditional legal studies, development of research and writing skills, and a focus on marine law from the shipping industry and maritime commerce to the management of the coastal zone and preservation of living marine resources.”

    Yeah, this dual degree will put you in high demand by Navy brass, the Secretary of Commerce, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Senate foreign relations committee, right?!?! Such blowhards will come kicking down your door, in search of your cutting-edge legal analysis, huh?! Sure it will - and if I add some cardio into my workouts, Lauren Graham and Salma Hayek will wrestle each other to determine who will climb on top of me first.

    http://law.rwu.edu/academics/joint-degree-programs/jd/mslrhr

    You can also earn a dual degree in the commode’s JD/MSLRHR, which is a long-ass acronym for Master of Science in Labor Relations and Human Resources. (I am waiting for the sewage pit to design a JD/massage therapy program. After all, after Lauren Graham contorts herself in various positions, she may require a thorough back rub. If her toes lock after I give her ten stupendous, mind-numbing orgasms in a row, I can apply my skills there as well.)

    “Roger Williams University School of Law, in conjunction with the University of Rhode Island Charles T. Schmidt Jr. Labor Research Center, offers a concentrated joint degree program for students interested in extensive study of legal issues relating to employment and labor relations.”

    Yes, with a JD/MSLRHR from Fourth Tier Trash Pit Roger Williams University Sewer of Law, you will be consulted by the AFL-CIO and courted by various state labor commissions, for your “expertise” in the area of labor relations. Seeing that you will be advising governors and congressmen - not to mention Fortune 500 executives - try not to stay out too late every night. If supermodels insist on sleeping with you, tell them to make it quick. Remember, you have important things to do, in the morning!

    [Disclaimer: try not to be so damn gullible. It is MUCH more likely that you will end up as an assistant manager at Wal-Mart.]

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  31. "Disclaimer: try not to be so damn gullible. It is MUCH more likely that you will end up as an assistant manager at Wal-Mart."

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    I think you are being too generous, Nando. I would delete "as an assistant manager."

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  32. Check out the toilet's interactive alumni list of successful grads:

    http://law.rwu.edu/interactive-map (and then click "our alumni in the nation")

    So many contacts! Seven in Providence, the nearby state capital. Seven in DC. Five in Boston (four of whom are cute babes, which I'm sure had nothing to do with their landing jobs), Three in New York City. You could network with every successful alumni of Roger W. on a given morning and still have time for an early brunch.

    Oh, need I add that most of these rare "winners", are minnows in the legal profession, parlaying their 150K toilet doctorate into a job as a legislative flunky, or scoring a fellowship with some nonprofit, or doing construction, real estate, or creditors' rights shitlaw. Why, there are even a couple of real live state appeals court clerks and and an adjunct professor at Seton Hall Law.

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  33. Has anyone been to Rhode Island before? It is truly one of the most depressing places in the world. Lots of trees, quiet, dark even during the day. There is lots of space to hang up a shingle in the woods somewhere, but good luck finding paying clients. Maybe the squirrels have some money hidden in a tree and they're willing to pay for your knowlege of pierson v. post.

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  34. There is no doubt that the anecdotally photogenic and successful grads featured on such a school's website do indeed exist.

    They may be relatively hot chicks in whom someone in the "legal community" has taken a "professional interest"; they may be at the top of the class; they may have significant contacts, experienes and connections gained prior to going to law school. This would include familial contacts.

    That last branch is by far the best way to do it, kids. It's okay to polish up or "pile on" a non-elite JD to your CV, AS LONG AS you are already established in another tangential career.

    This does not, of course apply to most "atraight-through" studets, i.e., traditionals, who typically have no such prior career contacts/connections/experiences. The Roger Williams-type schools are for people who already have real jobs and/or contacts who for some reason feel they need to top off with the JD. Otherwise, such a degree is indeed toxic and to be avoided at all costs.

    That is you, young lemmings.

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  35. I graduated in May 2007 and I am a very successful attorney from this school. I got the JD/MMA and have been representing many from our beloved oceans. Last month I helped wrap up a contract dispute between a entrepreneurial fish who owns a coral reef and a Saber-toothed Blenny who was not doing the cleaning that he contracted to do. I was also able to help with a class action between three hundred thousand tuna against a whale.

    Some of these schools are not that bad. Some of them are downright amazing. Nando, you should at least realize that.

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  36. On the photo: It's either a McTurd or the Horned God has come to us in shitform*. If so, then SHEMHAM FOROSH - HAIL SATAN!

    If not, flush the John, man! The stank is killing me!

    On the School: Everybody who works there should be in Siberian Gulags - NOW. What, there are no camps? Then force these slugs to build the camp they will be imprisoned in! If Stalin could do it in 1934, we can do it right this very fucking minute. And 50 years in camp goes for all these shitlaw schools. There I just save the legal industry from itself, where's my fucking medal?

    _______________________

    * At least His Satanic Majesty's head, but the horns are too big and there's no definition to His face.

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  37. Like Red Bull, this turd has wings.

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  38. Ok so you rail on Bob Morse because 1. He attempts to rank the law schools and profits from that fact. 2. He prints the misleading salary data that the law schools provide. 3. He eliminated the 3rd and 4th tiers.

    As far as number 1 goes, so what? All of the law schools manipulate the employment stats equally, so the lying shouldn't affect the rankings of the individual schools.

    As far as number 2 goes, I don't think you can really get on Morse's case too much for printing the salary data the law schools send. It's not like him or his magazine profit when a kid enrolls in one of these liar law schools. What's his sinister incentive for reprinting this data? Furthermore, if he were to leave it out, kids would still see it from the law schools' own brochures, recruiters, and websites.

    As for reason number 3, getting rid of the 3rd and 4th tiers, why is this so bad? Once you get past number 100, is there really any value in the ranking? Is #120 really a better investment than #145? Getting rid of those tiers was a smart thing to do.

    So stop directing all your anger at him and redirect it at the law school deans and the ABA.

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  39. Here are some places I wish they had law schools:

    -Santa Barbara, CA
    -another one in Hawaii
    -another mid-tier NYC school (low T2 but in Manhattan)
    -another one in Portland, OR (perhaps a state school-downtown)
    -Washington state could use another one, only 3 there. Maybe in downtown Seattle.
    -Greenfield/Northampton, MA

    Plus, I am all for ABA accredited law schools in major international cities such as London, Paris, Hong Kong, Singapore, Mexico City, etc. Let it happen!

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  40. Nando, you get mad about Morse not publishing the ranks of the 4th tier, but then you get mad about how law school ranks are published whereas dental schools are not. WTF?

    Also, you give crap about NYLS but that's where Judge Judy went to school, and look at how successful she is.

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  41. "Also, you give crap about NYLS but that's where Judge Judy went to school, and look at how successful she is."

    I completely agree.

    While we're at it, we should all quit our jobs and play the lottery because I've heard of many people that became rich that way. I mean, people denigrate gambling as it most likely leads to ruin but what right do we have to criticize it? Since Person X, Y and Z representing like 0.000001% of people have won megabucks by playing the lottery that's what we should all do too.

    It doesn't matter that 99.999999% of people will never win playing the lottery. Just like it doesn't matter that a large majority, especially in lower tiers LS, will never get work that will make LS payoff. As long as at least ONE person made it, then it can't be criticized.

    That's why I always felt that Madoff shouldn't have been criticized. He did make money for a small handful of people after all. The vast majority of people that he screwed over don't matter because he did make money for some people, like that owner of the NY Mets for example.

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  42. And in small newspapers of America the story keeps spreading:

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20110619/BASU/106190305/Basu-Do-we-need-an-explosion-of-law-students-?Opinion

    http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2011/06/law_students_find_ways_to_beat.html

    I think at this point almost everyone gets it, except -of course- the ABA and legal academia, which are basically the same pile of shit.

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  43. @ 6:59 am,

    Thank you for that Rekha Basu opinion piece in the Third Tier Des Moines Register. I remember reading some of her articles in that rag, while I was a student at Third Tier Drake. Of course, this is my favorite part:

    "Also following U.S. News standards, Drake University's law school reports 96 percent of the 2010 class were employed nine months after graduation - but Drake doesn't distinguish between legal and non-legal, full-time and part-time jobs, according to Associate Dean Andrea Charlow. University of Iowa law school reports 95 percent of 2010 grads are employed - 90 percent in jobs requiring a J.D. degree."

    If you are a graduate of Third Tier Drake - or the University of Iowa College of Law - and you are selling insurance for Farm Bureau, then you are "employed." The same goes if you are checking account info for Wells Fargo, working at a call center, or registered with one of the many temp hag agencies in the area.

    Are you teaching grade school or working as a bouncer for The Lumberyard strip club in Des Moines, as a Drake or Iowa JD?!?! Then you are "employed"!! Forget the fact that you do not need a goddamn law degree to work in any of these positions.

    http://www.law.drake.edu/faculty/?profileID=charlowAndrea

    By the way, I remember Andrea Charlow, when I was a student at this third tier, humid commode. Apparently, any “professor” can become an associate dean at this school.

    http://www.law.drake.edu/careers/?pageID=employment

    “Drake provides extensive resources for individual employment searches. Career Development also maintains a comprehensive library of job search materials. Complimentary use of a computer and phone access is also available.”

    If, by "extensive resources" you mean handouts/listings of non-legal employers and Power Point presentations with free pizza, then yes, Third Tier Drake’s career development office offers phenomenal services to the students. Any Drake law student or graduate with a shred of honesty, dignity and integrity will tell you that the CDO is too busy making sure that the top ten students in the class land jobs to help the bottom 90 percent of students.

    http://www.law.drake.edu/careers/?pageID=contactUs

    For $ome rea$on, Third Tier Drake neglected to list the fact that “Director” of Career DevelopmenTTT Trisha Fillbach earned her JD from Fourth Tier Hamline University.

    http://www.wisbar.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Wisconsin_Lawyer&template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&contentid=50018

    As you can see from the June 2002 edition of the Wisconsin Lawyer, Trisha Fillbach graduated from Hamline University Sewer of Law in St. Paul, MN.

    http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+7

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  44. These are the signs to look for on a law school's website that will let you know that the school is a festering toilet that will suck your money down the drain and give you nothing in return:

    1) Geography: Useless law sewers make a big deal out of how close they are to something or another. They will advertise the fact that they are in the state capital, or that they are near a large body of water, or that they are in a part of the state that does not have many law schools, or that they are in or near major legal markets.

    Being close to something does not mean being part of it. An example. I went to law school in Chicago. Oprah Winfrey had her studios in Chicago when I was in law school. Oprah is a billionaire. Somehow, I did not become a billionaire even though I went to school only a few miles away from Oprah's studio. Same thing will apply with your shitty law degree. Just because the school is in the state capital does not mean that you will become the governor upon graduation. A school being in a major market does not mean that anyone will actually hire you in that market. Being near an important body of water does not mean that you will receive a job in maritime law.

    2) Joint programs and certificates: Every law toilet loves to push its joint degree programs and certificates. To the uninitiated these programs and certificates probably seem useful. What could be better than a certificate in International Law or a Masters in Public Administration or MBA or MPH or whatever to go with your JD?

    The fact is, a JD pretty much stands or falls on its own. Unless you are 100% certain that the joint program or certificate will lead to a very specific job that you know exists and will exist when you graduate, all the joint program does is offers a way to waste more money on an extra degree that won't improve your employment chances. Adding a masters to your 4th tier JD is like spraying Chanel No. 5 on a toothless crackwhore who has several different communicable diseases.

    3) Public interest law: Law sewers love to wax poetic about their public interest law programs that bring justice to the downtrodden. There is nothing wrong with public interest law. Many people do need help negotiating the legal system. It can be rewarding to help someone in need.

    That being said, public interest law pays shit. It pays less than shit. You will not be able to pay back your 100k+ in loans while doing public interest law without making some minor lifestyle adjustments. Like eating. And having your own place to live in.

    Also, public interest law involves dealing with the part of the public that cannot afford legal counsel on their own. You will end up dealing with many, many people who may be too stupid to live. They will not take your advice. They will blame you because they did not take your advice. You will not spend most of the time saving the world.

    4) State of the art facilities: There isn't a crap law school in the USA that doesn't advertise its state of the art facilities.

    Anyone who has been to law school knows that the facilities don't make a whole lot of difference. All of the classes are taught in a room with a professor and students. At most, the professor might use a Powerpoint presentation to teach a class. As long as there is somewhere to plug a laptop into for taking notes, and as long as the computer lab in the library has Westlaw and Lexis Nexis access, the facilities are sufficient. No hiring partner will look at your resume and say, "Ooooohhh. This guy went to the school with the state of the art library! Guess we won't be hiring the Eva Longoria lookalike who graduated top ten at Harvard."

    Just remember kids, if the school makes a BFD about its joint programs, its location, its public interest law program and its state of the art facilities, it is a filthy sewer that will probably leave you envying the guy who graduated from community college and manages the local Wal-Mart.

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  45. "Complimentary use of a computer and phone access is also available.”

    Drake CDO lets its students use a computer and phone when loooking for jobs. It's just a matter of time before this school makes it to the top 50.

    To go along with what 11:13 said, if your school highlights that it lets its students use a computer, phone, printer or fax machine, then it is a toilet.

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  46. Colonel Sanders said:

    "Got-damn! Dat turd is so mutha-fuckin' big it's got it's own congressman. Sumbitch that thing's huge."

    Which makes it a "Constituency"

    I guess.

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  47. "Here are some places I wish they had law schools:

    ...
    -another one in Portland, OR (perhaps a state school-downtown)
    ..."

    LOL. I have been somewhat involved with the current Portland law market, and There Are No Jobs for the graduates of the three law schools in Oregon. Let's add a fourth law school, so we can have more unemployed, debt ridden lawyers! That's just what Portland needs - this city does have enough educated, unemployed hipsters as it is!

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  48. Oh, and the Portland papers are noticing that There Are No Jobs for new lawyers. From last week:

    "Despite his inability to find a full-time job after graduating from Lewis & Clark Law School in 2009, Todd Struble never surrendered his dream of becoming a practicing lawyer. But after six months of sending out resumes without any results he began to wonder how he would get the skills to succeed in his new profession.

    When a friend mentioned that her firm was moving to a new building and there were offices available, Struble made the same decision that a growing number of recent law school grads are being forced into: He decided to open his own practice."

    The Road to Riches awaits!

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  49. Here's a quiz:

    The fact that Portland law firms aren't hiring indicates:

    1) That the Portland law firms are idiots - there is a vast untapped market for legal services in Portland that the law firms are too stupid to exploit, and that you can exploit by opening a solo practice.

    2) There is no unserved demand for legal services in Portland (at least by people who can afford to pay a lawyer), and opening a solo practice is almost certainly just a route to slow starvation.

    The funny thing of course, is that a handful of these new lawyers will be successful in their solo practices - either because they are unusually good at running a solo practice, or they are lucky and smart enough to land a big case and win it. Expect the Bar Association to publicize the handful of successes, and ignore everyone else.

    But hey - I can hear you can make a million bucks being an Amway distributor! After all, some people have...

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  50. With the pile of rotting waste known as Roger William$ Univer$ity Sewer of Law, the hits keep on coming.

    http://law.rwu.edu/marine-affairs-institute

    “RWU Law’s Marine Affairs Institute, in partnership with Rhode Island Sea Grant and University of Rhode Island, is a comprehensive clearinghouse for marine law and policy, engaged in preparing the next generation of marine law professionals. Located between Narragansett Bay and Mount Hope Bay at the gateway to Cape Cod, RWU Law offers an ideal location in which to learn about and conduct research on issues in coastal law. The Institute offers rigorous coursework and exciting extracurricular opportunities, as well as regional, national and international conferences attended by top scientists, lawyers and policymakers.”

    The institute’s mission is “Training the next generation of marine law professionals.”

    Yes, hanging out with policy-heads and scientists is going to somehow instill in you the legal skills necessary to become a marine law specialist. Now, you can see why this toilet charges $38,850 per year in tuition. After all, this figure represents a small investment. Think of the potential HUGE payoff this could have, Lemming!! [Note: Realize that you are much more likely to end up mopping floors at Burger King than working in admiralty law.]

    http://law.rwu.edu/blog/commencement-2011-great-fun-great-class

    Here is the fourth tier dean’s blog entry regarding the law sewer’s 2011 graduation ceremonies. Isn’t it great seeing a bunch of academic blowhards and ass-hats in all their ridiculous garb? Scroll down, to about a quarter of the page. There you will see that the Chief “Justice,” i.e. politician in a black dress, of the Rhode Island Supremes gave the commencement address. (If you go down about 2/3 on this page, you will see some rather nice cleavage. Not phenomenal, but pretty decent.)

    Think of how many of these poor souls went through this garbage - without having a job lined up. In addition to the indignities of walking for their TTTT law degrees - while jobless - most of these graduates took on MASSIVE amounts of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt.

    http://law.rwu.edu/public-interest-law

    “RWU Law is committed to the belief that lawyers should serve their communities, and that introducing students to public service can set the stage for a lifetime of valuable contributions to society.”

    Perhaps, the law school pigs could make it easier for one to work in public interest - such as by not putting the average JD $123,338 in the hole!

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  51. ABA this, ABA that... TTT this, TTT that... You kids are missing the point. These scams and other unethical behavior are mere manifestations of the real problem: a giant, legally sanctioned smash and grab operation.

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  52. Setttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttton Haul lAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRRRRRRRRR

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  53. This forum needs a disclaimer that reads: THE FOLLOWING ONLY MAYBE APPLIES TO THOSE IN THE BOTTOM 20% OF THEIR CLASS. IF YOU ARE IN THE TOP 30-40% OF YOUR CLASS, DO NOT TAKE ANY OF THIS AT FACE VALUE, NO MATTER WHAT SCHOOL YOU GO TO.

    Even at the bottom, there are things a person can do to have a rewarding career. This blog is made to incite fear in those, many of whom are in at least the top half of their class. There is no reason why a person in the top 50% should take this seriously unless they are just not trying.

    If you are in the top 30% you should only be laughing at this non-sense. Even at the lowest ranked schools there are plenty of very successful people, some of which even have started their own firms! Yes! I know it's crazy to think about!

    Even at this school there will be many very successful students in the class of 2013-2014 who will make well over $100,000. And there are MANY more who will make in the median range, which is not that bad, no matter what any of you nay-sayers say.

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  54. @ 10:57

    Exactly. The law schools exist for only one reason: enriching the cunts who run it. What bothers me so much is how fucking hypocritical those pigs are.

    With other shysters like car salesmen and bankers, you know they are in it for the money, to make a profit. Law pigs on the other hand, give you speeches about integrity, honesty, and dignity. They don't need these things but YOU do. They threaten to ban you from taking the bar exam if you don't play by their honor code.

    You have to live by the highest ideals but it's okay for them to commit fraud and steal millions of dollars. It is almost sad to see these liberal academics are really the money-grubbing capitalists they purport to hate. Two-faced motherfuckers.

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  55. You are so very wrong Turde. So very, very wrong.

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  56. The business world has a term for fraudulent behavior known as the "fraud triangle" The triangle has three elements

    1.) Incentive to cheat.

    Law swine stand to gain millions of dollars by publishing fake salary info. Those numbers aren't even exaggerations anymore, they are outright lies. Nobody is going to attend NYLS if the average starting salary is $32,000, but they will if it is $114,000. Obtaining funds from the gov is also pathetically easy. Just rent some office space, pay your utilities, hire some pompous ass rejects as professors, and wait for the money to rush in like a tsunami.

    The second element is pressure. Law pigs don't have any pressure. They are guaranteed a job with tenure, only have to teach 6 hours per week, and make 200,000+ with full benefits. Maybe they feel compelled to keep up with other schools in the US News Toilet Report. The higher your rank, the more 0L dumbasses willing to give you their money. If your rank drops too far, you might have trouble filling seats.

    3.) Rationalization

    To commit fraud, the offenders must have the personality to break the law. This is easy. The law "educators" are greedy scum who were not content with making $100,000 for their grinding 6 hour workweeks. They had to raise tuition to make 150,000 per year, then 200,000. The pigs are still not content. Those skyrocketing tuition increases over the last few years are solely for the professor's COL upgrades.

    These two-faced monsters feel no guilt over ruining the lives of young kids. They will preach about the good of probono, volunteering, sacrifice, and integrity. The pigs do none of these things. They cash your tuition checks and spout off some arcane nonsense, leaving grads with no jobs and completely unprepared to work as a lawyer. How can they? Most of them never practiced law themselves.

    It's easy for them to promise you the world as a 0L and 1L. The ravenous pigs want your money; they will tell you anything you want to hear. They talk about unlimited opportunities and the versatility of the JD. Only after you forked over $200,000 and three years of your time, jobless and broke, do the Sara Stadler's lumber out and shriek "Get over it!" If only she had told this to Emory's Class of 2011 back in 2008 when they were still 0L's. Upset you destroyed yourself financially and you have no job? Get over it, fuck off, they have your money. You are useless to them now.

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  57. turde said...The business world has a term for fraudulent behavior known as the "fraud triangle" The triangle has three elements

    1.) Incentive to cheat.

    Law swine stand to gain millions of dollars by publishing fake salary info. Those numbers aren't even exaggerations anymore, they are outright lies. Nobody is going to attend NYLS if the average starting salary is $32,000, but they will if it is $114,000. Obtaining funds from the gov is also pathetically easy. Just rent some office space, pay your utilities, hire some pompous ass rejects as professors, and wait for the money to rush in like a tsunami.

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  58. 2.)

    The second element is pressure. Law pigs don't have much pressure. They are guaranteed a job with tenure, only have to teach 6 hours per week, and make 200,000+ with full benefits. Maybe they feel compelled to keep up with other schools in the US News Toilet Report. The higher your rank, the more 0L dumbasses willing to give you their money. If your rank drops too far, you might have trouble filling seats.

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  59. I'm having problems with posting entries. Somehow the first part was deleted while the second remained. Here is the first again:

    The business world has a term for fraudulent behavior known as the "fraud triangle" The triangle has three elements

    1.) Incentive to cheat.

    Law swine stand to gain millions of dollars by publishing fake salary info. Those numbers aren't even exaggerations anymore, they are outright lies. Nobody is going to attend NYLS if the average starting salary is $32,000, but they will if it is $114,000. Obtaining funds from the gov is also pathetically easy. Just rent some office space, pay your utilities, hire some pompous ass rejects as professors, and wait for the money to rush in like a tsunami.

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  60. here is the last part. I broke it up into three pieces because posts which exceed a certain limit are automatically deleted.

    3.) Rationalization

    To commit fraud, the offenders must have the personality to break the law. This is easy. The law "educators" are greedy scum who were not content with making $100,000 for their grinding 6 hour workweeks. They had to raise tuition to make 150,000 per year, then 200,000. The pigs are still not content. Those skyrocketing tuition increases over the last few years are solely for the professor's COL upgrades.

    These two-faced monsters feel no guilt over ruining the lives of young kids. They will preach about the good of probono, volunteering, sacrifice, and integrity. The pigs do none of these things. They cash your tuition checks and spout off some arcane nonsense, leaving grads with no jobs and completely unprepared to work as a lawyer. How can they? Most of them never practiced law themselves.

    It's easy for them to promise you the world as a 0L and 1L. The ravenous pigs want your money; they will tell you anything you want to hear. They talk about unlimited opportunities and the versatility of the JD. Only after you forked over $200,000 and three years of your time, jobless and broke, do the Sara Stadler's lumber out and shriek "Get over it!" If only she had told this to Emory's Class of 2011 back in 2008 when they were still 0L's. Upset you destroyed yourself financially and you have no job? Get over it. Fuck off. They have your money. You are useless to them now.

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  61. here are the last two parts. I broke it up into four pieces because posts which exceed a certain limit are automatically deleted.

    3.) Rationalization

    To commit fraud, the offenders must have the personality to break the law. This is easy. The law "educators" are greedy scum who were not content with making $100,000 for their grinding 6 hour workweeks. They had to raise tuition to make 150,000 per year, then 200,000. The pigs are still not content. Those skyrocketing tuition increases over the last few years are solely for the professor's COL upgrades.

    These two-faced monsters feel no guilt over ruining the lives of young kids. They will preach about the good of probono, volunteering, sacrifice, and integrity. The pigs do none of these things.

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  62. They cash your tuition checks and spout off some arcane nonsense, leaving grads with no jobs and completely unprepared to work as a lawyer. How can they? Most of them never practiced law themselves.

    It's easy for them to promise you the world as a 0L and 1L. The ravenous pigs want your money; they will tell you anything you want to hear. They talk about unlimited opportunities and the versatility of the JD. Only after you forked over $200,000 and three years of your time, jobless and broke, do the Sara Stadler's lumber out and shriek "Get over it!" If only she had told this to Emory's Class of 2011 back in 2008 when they were still 0L's. Upset you destroyed yourself financially and you have no job? Get over it. Fuck off. They have your money. You are useless to them now.

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  63. June 19, 2011 11:13 AM

    That is an EXCELLENT summation of what comprises the typical TTT's website. "We're located close to the State capital!" or "We're just minutes from major downtown law firms!"

    Priceless. These typical TTT descriptors are what truly identify these toilets of law, at least in the overwhelming majority of cases.

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  64. http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=74.106.82.184

    Hello, Springfield Cockroach. How are you doing today, ignorant bitch?!?!

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    We can see that you are responsible for the comments at 6:16 am and 7:18 am, this morning. You clearly do not have the balls to stand by your comments, anonymous douche-clown.

    Here is the disclaimer for your comment at 6:16 am, moron:

    [ONLY THOSE WITH AN IQ BELOW ROOM TEMPERATURE SHOULD TAKE THIS COMMENT SERIOUSLY. ALSO, THOSE WHO WANT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL REGARDLESS OF THE ANEMIC JOB PROSPECTS – AND HUGE AMOUNTS OF NON-DISCHARGEABLE DEBT – SHOULD GO, IN SPITE OF THE FACTS. ALSO, I LIVE IN MY MOTHER’S BASEMENT, IN SPRINGFIELD, MASSACHUSETTS. SHE GETS UPSET WHEN STRANGE MEN COME TO THE HOUSE LATE AT NIGHT, TO POUND ME IN THE ASS.]

    http://thepeoplestherapist.com/2011/05/04/someone-likes-a-quitter/

    Take a look at this advice from former Biglaw associate, and current psychotherapist, Will Meyerhofer:

    “I am prescribing a mass exodus from law schools. A semi-mass exodus might do the trick.

    Tune in. Turn on. Drop out.

    If you don’t know why you’re there – and you’re not sure what you’re getting yourself into – if you’re not at a top school, or even if you are, and your grades are a little iffy, and likely to stay that way – then please, get out. Today. Before you spend another cent.”

    How do you like that, bitch?!?!

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  65. By the way, why don’t you EXPLAIN why Turde is wrong, in his analysis of the law school cartel?!?! This is more effective than acting like a fifth grader, i.e. “You are so very wrong Turde. So very, very wrong.” Use some actual reason, logic and proof. If you want to be an attorney, it helps to rely on facts and evidence, Stupid. I recognize that this will make your little brain implode, but give it a try sometime, ass-hat.

    Law school is a money grab that is designed to benefit “professors” and administrators, NOT the students!

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/LegEdDig/2004/56.html

    "Law schools, as institutions, do not encourage broad faculty mentoring in the sense described above. They do not hire people willing to do it, and they do not reward it should it occur anyhow. Why not? Law schools are run primarily for the benefit of law professors — not for the benefit of law students, not for the benefit of the legal community, and most certainly not for the benefit of the public at large. Law schools are run primarily by law professors and former law professors, who generally consider that arrangement to be benign, and certainly do not wish to change it.

    Law professors are a self-perpetuating elite, chosen in overwhelming part for a single skill, the ability to do well consistently on law school examinations and preferably ones taken at elite ‘national’ law schools. Once they are hired, law professors are rewarded primarily for scholarship. Most law professors are not familiar with the ever-increasing literature documenting the extreme levels of mental illness and substance abuse that develop among law students while in law school. Many law professors do not like the practice of law, and consistently denigrate it to their students. Many law professors do not like practising lawyers, and consistently denigrate them to their students. Many law professors tried to practise law, but were not very good at it, which results, unconsciously or otherwise, in more venomous criticisms of the profession and its practitioners than would otherwise be the case."

    This article appeared in Volume 45 of the South Texas Law Review, pages 753-812, in 2004. For those lemmings who require correct Bluebook citation: Robert P. Schuwerk, The Law Professor as Fiduciary: What Duties Do We Owe to Our Students, 45 S. Tex. L. Rev. 753 (2004).

    At the time of publication, Schuwerk was a "law professor" at the University of Houston Law Center.

    http://www.law.uh.edu/faculty/main.asp?PID=41

    Actually, he still "teaches" law at this commode. In the article above, he admits that law schools are run for the benefit of professors – and many of them do not like the actual practice of law. This is due to the fact that most of them could not handle a real job. From the comfort/safe confines of academia, these swine can mock legal practitioners. How many of us saw “law professors” engage in exactly this behavior?

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  66. JD/MMA? I am all over that. Could you have a more applicable degree to the legal profession.

    I mean first Ill take a class by super professor Chael Sonnen who you are just amazed at how smart he is and how good he is at MMA. He can teach you how to commit real estate fraud in between MMA classes.

    Then you can maybe have a semester off campus and learn some MMA from BJ Penn in Hawaii or maybe even one of those Brazilian geniuses like Anderson Silva or Junior Dos Santos. Can you say satellite campus?

    Or you can always get prepared to work in the inner city by signing up for classes with brilliant professors like Nick or Nate Diaz, masters in MMA all while being rude and illiterate. I am sure they can teach you how to smoke marijuana legally as well.

    For those of you in the northeast who want to stay up there and practice MMA, maybe take a class from Professor Matt Serra who will teach you how to be and deal with assholes in the JD/MMA field.

    Finally for those of you just dominating in these classes, you will be invited to a special guest lecture by Tito Ortiz on how to score with women that no one else can get because they are not JD/MMA's like you are.

    The professors ole Roger Williams must have lined up for this degree program is endless. My dick has not been this hard since I read the write up on my school, Widener. I cant believe I took a class by Joe Biden on Constitutional Law. 20 years ago. That alone got me more job offers then even you JD/MMA types will be getting so fuck you all.

    Before you know it, you will have a worthless JD but dont fret, since you cant get a job in the legal profession, you will be the envy of the legal world with your MMA degree where even if you finish at the bottom of the class like I did, there will be plenty of opportunity for you to fight for $1,000.00 a beating in some state fair show in Nebraska or Iowa. Your other fourth tier lawyer friends will be so jealous of your new found income. Plus when you go up against other JDs who dont have the MMA degree, you can take out your anger on them and show them who is boss by beating the mortal crap out of them for insulting your academic prowess. Do you think an asshole judge will dare rule against you at trial. When your client hear you specialized in MMA, they will listen to your advice.

    Get me signed up for this toilet. I cant wait for the Skyscrape retard from Tap Out to follow me around like some recruiter who thinks I am the next big thing while I think I am important and he sells Tshirts to kids who cant even spell MMA but make him millions a year. Dont worry kids, hes not laughing with you, but at you but who cares, you have the JD/MMA degree.

    This could be a ground breaking program.
    I wish they had it when my 4th tier ass chose a law school 20 years ago.

    Whats next a JD/BDSM degree featuring Ron Jeremy and Congressmen Weiner with Bill Clinton as a guess professor?

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  67. 6:16 got OWNED! Pulverized.

    You'd think the trolls would've figured this out by now. Do not mess with the angry bear. If you poke him with a sharp stick don't complain when he rips your face off. UNderstand?

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  68. Some law schools are starting to reduce class sizes:

    http://www.omaha.com/article/20110620/NEWS01/706209935

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  69. @10:09:

    If law schools were to teach MMA: This is how they would teach it: Instead of teaching actual fighting skills and practicing sparring in the octagon,they would hire professors who have never been in fight in their entire lives, don't like fighting, and don't respect fighters.

    These MMA professors would waste years teaching students irrelevant things and making them compete on irrelevant things. Students would graduate not knowing how to slip a punch from a shitty undtrained fighter.

    I often analogize law school to martial arts. Before MMA, people would go learn exotic and useless bullshit like karate where they'd jump and scream and do weird dances in kimonos, instead of practicing realistic boxing, wrestling and Thai kicking. Law school teach useless bullshit instead of teaching how to practice law.

    Law school needs an MMA style revolution.

    MMA lawyer




    I'm the guy who posts regularly as "MMA lawyer".

    I train at an MMA gyma and represent the gym, and a bunch of fighters, in their legal problems.

    Cool post.

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  70. If law schools took over MMA/boxing/wrestling/whatever, they would only teach you how to THINK like a fighter. The rest is for YOU to figure out on your own. Then when you get beat up by some drunk old guy with a beer bottle in his hand, it will be YOUR FAULT for not "networking enough" with the others in the dive bar you found yourself in.

    Now that's more of a true "law school approach" to things. They can eff up a wet dream, can't they?

    Can you imagine if your dentist was only taught how to "think like a dentist", and was just, you know, "winging it" when doing that root canal? If law schools trained dentists, they would be able to write essays on all the archaic and painful dentistry tools they used, like, in the 17th century and such, yet, they wouldn't know how to use a modern drill, or sterilize anything. Stuff like that.

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  71. 3:25 = classic!!

    'Then when you get beat up by some drunk old guy with a beer bottle in his hand, it will be YOUR FAULT for not "networking enough" with the others in the dive bar you found yourself in.'

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  72. ABA Journal writes about a guy who graduated, went solo, and claimed to make $150k last year:

    http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/recent_law_grads_lack_of_a_job_inspires_him_to_create_his_own_by_going_solo

    ABA is the biggest shill of all.

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  73. ^We should bury that that article with bad comments.

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  74. MMA Lawyer, please consider posting at Bullshido.net we would enjoy your commentary there.

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  75. I resent all the negative comments about Bob Morse. The man is simply doing his job, which is to provide a valuable service to all prospective law students. How else can 0Ls get an idea as to how good their school is? There is a need for a man like Morse to objectively rank the schools, and thus inform 0Ls.

    Morse is an honest man, and I am frankly sick and tired of reading all of these blasphemous attacks against him. Nando, you wish you were half the man Morse was. I'm sure he makes upwards of 300k a year, and is a success, and an innovator. Morse means well, and is only trying to keep the law schools honest. I hope Morse takes you to court, and sues you for what you're worth (However little that may be).

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  76. 9:01 pm

    Go somewhere else to suck Robert Morse's tiny dick. Thanks.

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  77. "blasphemous"?

    Bob Morse has been elevated by our friend at 9:01 (probably his nephew)to the level of a deity.

    You really gotta find a hobby or a girlfriend, kid. Seriously.

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  78. "I'm sure he makes upwards of 300k a year, and is a success, and an innovator."

    So law professors are truly his peers.

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  79. 9:01: "The man [Morse] is simply doing his job, which is to provide a valuable service to all prospective law students."

    Exactly so. But the verb "to service" in this sentence should be understood as farm folk understand it.

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  80. Yes, Nando sure pounded my face in, huh? His words make me hurt so very bad (sarcasm). Also, I don't live with my mother, nor do I depend on her help. Nando is guessing, as he does with most of these blogs. He also seems to have a secret crush on Morse. I have not seen too many people as obsessed with a single person as him. It's not healthy and one should seek out psychiatric help.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  81. ^ Go pull your pud in Panama, idiot.

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  82. huh? That makes no sense. Then again, nothing on this blog does.

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  83. Hello, World Traveling Cockroach. (For some reason, the mental deficient keeps posting from that cosmopolitan city known as Springfield, MA.)

    http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=74.106.82.184

    We can see that you are responsible for the comments on June 20th at 6:16 am and 7:18 am, as well as for the comments made today at 5:10 am and 6:17 am. Is this the only time that you are able to use the internet, as your mother just ended her shift of blowing homeless men at the Springfield Bus Terminal?!?!

    Time Visitor Session Referrer
    Jun 21 2011 6:16am 74.106.82.184 4 actions 34s
    Jun 21 2011 5:08am 74.106.82.184 4 actions 2m 17s
    Jun 20 2011 6:11pm 74.106.82.184 1 action 10s
    Jun 20 2011 3:42pm 74.106.82.184 2 actions 2m 5s
    Jun 20 2011 8:30am 74.106.82.184 2 actions 4s
    Jun 20 2011 7:17am 74.106.82.184 9 actions 2m 35s
    Jun 20 2011 6:12am 74.106.82.184 4 actions 3m 58s

    Here's what doesn’t make sense, Dumbass: posting nonsensical comments on a blog that you don’t agree with. Do you see the futility and sheer idiocy of commenting on a board, where you consistently have your ass handed to you, in a plastic bag, bitch?!

    A few “law professors” openly support of the basic premises of these blogs – even if some have not actually endorsed the blogs. Brian Tamanaha (Washington U. of St. Louis), Lucille Jewel (The John Marshall Law School), J. Gordon Hylton (Marquette), Richard Sander (UCLA), William Henderson (Indiana-Bloomington), Herwig Schlunk (Vanderbilt), Erik Gerding (U. of New Mexico) and Paul Campos (U. of Colorado-Boulder) come to mind. In respective order:

    http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/06/wake-up-fellow-law-professors-to.html

    http://mjlst.umn.edu/uploads/d3/21/d321a2fbd32797b62945a82256a0411a/121_jewel.pdf

    http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2010/07/29/best-of-the-blogs-4/

    http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0202/060_print.html

    http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/legal_profession/2009/06/the-end-of-an-era-the-bi-modal-distribution-for-the-class-of-2008.html

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/SSRN-id1497044.pdf

    http://www.theconglomerate.org/2009/11/incredible-shrinking-law-school.html

    http://www.tnr.com/article/87251/law-school-employment-harvard-yale-georgetown?page=0,1

    How do you spell "credibility," Idiot?!?!

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  84. I know so many people from fourth and third tier schools that are successful. I think you are just angry that you are not one of them. I can see why many people who are against this drivel leave and don't come back. They realize fighting with you is like fighting with a rock. The rock has nothing intelligent to say and will always stay the same. The rock does not use reason. The rock has other rocks nearby that will support him no matter what, but like that rock, the other rocks do not use reason. Again, this blog should come with a disclaimer. People in the top 30% of their class need not listen to this. People in the top 60% may want to, but would be better off looking for jobs, because they will find one. People in the bottom 30% may want to see this blog, but take it with a grain of salt. It's just an angry rant from someone too scared to try the bar exam because he was scared of success. He went to law school for 3 years and did not know better than to drop out if he didn't want to practice law.

    You mention my mother a lot, but I have not had parental support since I moved out over 10 years ago. I have not went back home nor did my parents put a dime towards my undergraduate or law school education. All world travel I fund myself. No, I am not rich. Yes, I do depend on law school to help me with my success in life. I knew I had to do well before I went. Anyone should know that. If you want to do well and try hard there is NO REASON whatsoever that you cannot be in the top 20-30% of your class. You mention that everyone tries hard. No, there are a lot of slackers, people who put socializing way before studying. If you try harder than those people (and I would say that is at least 40% of my class), you will do fine. But it takes work. I have a feeling you were one of those people who had to spout his mouth instead of actually sitting back and studying. I have a feeling most of your supporters are the same kind of people. In fact, those who say "my JD ruined my life" are pathetic.

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  85. 'If you want to do well and try hard there is NO REASON whatsoever that you cannot be in the top 20-30% of your class.'

    What about the 90% of the class shooting for the top ten percent, cocksucker? Seems logical only ten percent of the class can make the top ten percent. Same goes for 20% or 30%.

    Nando already pointed out that you are in Springfield. What law school did you go to? Albany? WNEC? If you have been to law school you would know that law firms and govt agencies don't give a shit about top 30%. To them those types of students are also-rans. Esp. from shitholes like Albany and WNEC.

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  86. Hey, 8:17, do you notice how Nando shows up with links, data, statistics, evidence, reasoning, logic, proof, etc.? I'm using lots of words in the hope you'll know one or two of them, because all I'm seeing from you is your (blatantly false) refrain that being in the top 30% lands you a job.

    Guess what: I know top 10% people who are unemployed coming out of a T-100 school. Actually, I know more unemployed/underemployed top 30% grads than I know successful ones.

    I'm sure Nando is really "scared of success," which is why he's probably had more post-graduation success than 2/3 of his class.

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  87. I have a crazy feeling that "anon" the "world travelling law student" somehow works for Morse, the ABA, or one of the shithouse law schools Nando slammed in the past. And that's sad - if I'm right; Nando is not going to change, nor would the regulars. They've been screwed by lawl skool, they're angry, and they're not going away. So anon's reason for posting here makes no fucking sense, unless s/he was paid to do so - possibly as part of a contractural agreement between anon and some group or individual, or possibly as part of a position they hold with a school, the Bar Association, or Bob "cocksucker" Morse. Which makes it even worse; it's bad enough to be a hired gun to write shit in the comments section of this blog, but to do this on top of regular work?

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  88. 8:17 AM: "I know so many people from fourth and third tier schools that are successful..."

    So do I, and every single one of them is middle-aged. They graduated into a totally different legal market, and their experience has no bearing on the situation facing the kids today.

    For many years, law school-- though overly-hyped, increasingly expensive, and providing piss-poor practical training-- was at least a ticket to professional employment.

    Then came the triple whammy in 2008: the ABA outsourcing decision that destroyed document review for the bottom rung of new JDs, public sector austerity that destroyed government jobs for the middle rung of new JDs, and the meltdown in big law hiring that destroyed the aspirations of the top.

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  89. I don't think anon the traveling douchebag will understand any of those concepts you mentioned ,jdog. He probably can't read the words.

    FWIW, this punk is probably on the payroll of some TTTT shithole. I mean these places can charge $35K+ for yearly tuition. They can certainly afford to hire a couple of shitbirds to post garbage on internet boards.

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  90. "If you want to do well and try hard there is NO REASON whatsoever that you cannot be in the top 20-30% of your class." June 21, 2011 8:17 AM

    I will lay MONEY down, kid, on the mathematical FACT that, NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY, 70 to 80% of any given class will not, nay, cannot, be in the top 30 or 20%, respectively, of said class.

    Dispute?

    We're talking about odds here, kid, can you grasp that? It's about the odds of success relative to the huge investment of time, money and effort, weighed against life's other options. No one is stopping anyone from going to law school. This is just a discussion of risks and odds. Do people succeed? Indeed, they do, and some always will. Nonetheless, this is all about calculating the total risk, the likely odds, when weighing the decision which, NOWADAYS, is extremely expensive. Also, whether obtaining a degree like a JD, which carries its own unique toxicity in the non-law world, is indeed worth it.

    If you are in fact confident in your own decision-making, why do you persist in seeking validation in a hostile forum? It makes no sense.

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  91. Just in case you don't remember Mr. World Traveling Law Student, you had indicated in a prior post that you were spending the summer in Panama, hence my reference to you pulling your pud in Panama. But I guess you forgot that story seeing as though you're in Springfield. You have nothing of any significance to offer this blog. You're a lying sack of shit. Please go away.

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  92. A fat bastard named Arash Heidarian attempted to comment on this article today. Your post was not published, Arash. You graduated a fourth tier trash pit. Now, you act as though your outcome is the norm, for that commode.

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/arash-heidarian/6/455/3b

    “Current: Attorney at McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP
    Past: Associate at McManus, Schor, Asmar & Darden
    Education: Roger Williams University School of Law
    James Madison University
    The George Washington University Law School”

    Congratulations on becoming a well-compensated bitch. How well is the rest of your TTTT class doing, ass-hat?!

    http://www.mckennalong.com/professionals-ArashHeidarian.html

    “[Fatty] Heidarian received his LL.M. in Government Procurement Law from the George Washington University Law School, and his J.D., cum laude, from the Roger Williams University School of Law. While in law school, he was president of the International Law Student Society and a member of the Jessup Moot Court Team. He received his B.B.A., cum laude, in marketing information systems from James Madison University.”

    You are one ugly pig. Apparently, you are unwilling to shell out a little money for a decent haircut. Does your mother still cut your hair with her clippers? Lose some weight and have someone trim your eyebrows, ass-clown.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McKenna_Long_%26_Aldridge

    “McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP (MLA) is a United States-based international law and public policy firm. It has more than 575 attorneys and public policy advisors in 13 offices and 11 markets. The firm provides legal, business, and public policy solutions in the areas of complex litigation, corporate law, environment, energy, family wealth, finance, insurance, global infrastructure, government contracts, health care, intellectual property, technology, and real estate.

    In 2012, the firm’s government contracts practice marked its 54th year making it the oldest government contracts practice in the U.S. The same year, it was ranked as the 101st largest law firm in the country by The National Law Journal’s “NLJ 250” rankings and placed 100th on The American Lawyer's “AmLaw 200” rankings with US$270,000,000 in gross revenue in 2010. Chambers USA has called McKenna Long & Aldridge "a true titan in the field" with “fantastic knowledge of the intricacies of the sector and its capacity for dealing with the political dimensions of public procurement.” The firm represents the top five and 10 of the top 15 largest defense contractors, based on total contracting dollars in 2010.” [Internal citations removed]

    Keep slaving away, so that you can make the partners, i.e. your overlords, wealthy. Continue to work 12 hour days, and eating fatty food at your desk, Bitch. Look at your pathetic physique, you massive turd. That lifestyle is working out well for your waistline, right?!?!

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  93. The good thing about this piece of shit law school is that you are then qualified to work for McDonald's.

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  94. You must have not gotten in or failed out. So sad

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    1. To the piece of trash above,

      You should learn how to read, Bitch. Then again, you don't even know how to punctuate a sentence, ball-less cockroach.

      On the right-hand side of the main page - which also appears on each entry - you will see the following description:

      "I am a graduate of Drake Law School. I am employed in a non-lawyer position. My goal is to educate people who are considering law school as a viable option. Do not go unless you are FULLY aware beforehand that you may end up with six figure student loan debt and no job prospects. Furthermore, you will find it very difficult to find work as a non-lawyer, as your J.D. will make you overqualified for most non-law positions."

      I graduated from Third Tier Drake, with a law degree, in May 2009. I received a full tuition scholarship to attend that cesspool. Furthermore, I did not even apply to Fourth Tier RWU. In fact, I never even heard of that waste heap, until I started this kick-ass blog.

      Have fun at the pathetic trash pit known as Roger Williams University Sewer of Law. Apparently, you could not gain admission to the Bill Smith College of Law. Grow a brain stem, before responding to this message, waterhead.

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    2. Your assessment is, unfortunately true. Let's not forget that RWUL was mired in that TERI (Education Loan Services) scam of a decade ago. For those who do not know. TERI is now bankrupt. They used all the toxic student debt, bundled and hedged it, securitized it through First Marblehead as a Goldman Sachs vehicle for 100,000,000 and sold the garbage to investors (after assuring them it was a great investment (that's the nutshell version)...and TERI was pegged with fraud. Anyway, TERI provided PRIVATE loans. The gave people like Dean Prettyman (later fired) perks (trips, incentives, etc.) at the law school for shoving their private loans in with subsidized loans. An uninformed, nervous student would just come in and be told to sign papers.Well, at least the NY Attorney general looked into it. there is so much more about this scam. Maybe a graduate---if they are lucky--can get a temporary document review job for $22 to $28 an hour. if you speak Japanese you might make more to translate documents. We were not informed of any of it. There is much more. This is a great blog, and I even appreciate the foul language and photographic depictions of defecation. There is much, much more.

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  95. Last Warning: This blog is 100% accurate so help me God (or Satan in the case of this school). If you are presently attending, drop out and use the rest of your loan money to buy physical gold, or furniture for your parent's basement, as that's where you'll be living. yes, there are a few folks who will go right to Uncle Leroy's firm (there are meany connected assholes in Rhode Island), or to dad's car lot or some other business already established by the "family." A couple of tolken "top" students will be given jobs in state law firms, and the rest are fucked. Let them try to keep the school open with Uncle Leroy's nephew and a couple of other hand picked arrogant fucks. Good luck. I am not joking. IT IS A FRAUD. Please listen. I beg you. Now i know why one guy actually took a dump at the bottom of the stairway to the cafeteria on his way out of the school over a decade ago. You are left to swing in the breeze. You will stay connected to the school though, as the originators of fraudulent loans pursue you, as you pay for groceries with a SNAP card and beg delivery services for employment. Your family will have already said fuck you to you for skipping out on holidays in order to "study" for the illustrious degree from hell. It is an albatross around one's neck. "What, your a lawyer?" the McDonald's manager stated with wide eyes after denying your application for being overqualified. This is NO FUCKING JOKE. Do not attend unless Uncle Leroy has a job for you in his law office. Even if you are banging a professor, that will only help with grades, but not job prospects (according to those who have engaged in such survival activites). Heed this or you are totally fucked. Go to HVAC school or UPS or Fedex, or anything. Do not go here.

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  96. All I have to say is: dual JD/MSCS and an 80% scholoarship... I think I'll do just fine upon graduation. Oh, and all you Ivy League, pretentious assholes can fuck yourselves.

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