Thursday, July 14, 2011

Moist Beer Fart: Second Tier Marquette University Law School


http://law.marquette.edu/cgi-bin/site.pl?prospective/tuition

Tuition: A full-time law student at MarqueTTe Univer$iTTy will pay $37,570 in tuition, for the upcoming 2011-2012 school year. Part-time victims/students will pay a higher rate of $1,500 per credit hour. This Jesuit institution is really looking out for its customers, isn’t it?!?!

Total Cost of Attendance: According to this same page, the school alleges that total COA – for the 2011-2012 academic year – will amount to $56,842. Keep in mind that these trash pits only consider nine-month living expenses. In real life, students must pay for housing/board, personal and transportation costs for twelve months. Doing so, we come up with a more accurate, total COA of $62,852 – for 2011-2012.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+4

Ranking: Okay, Marquette Law charges excessive fees and tuition. However, the school’s reputation will justify the cost, right?!?! US “News” & World Report lists this commode as the 95th greatest, most fantastic, amazing, exhilarating, and prestigious law school in the nation! For the delusional optimist, this is the second best law school in the State of Wisconsin.

http://law.marquette.edu/cgi-bin/site.pl?2130&pageID=2171

Purported Employment and Starting Salary Statistics: This dung heap claims that 88.94 percent of its Class of 2010 was employed – presumably within nine months of graduation. According to the school, 81.86% of these grads were employed in full-time positions, while 7.08% were working part-time. Yes, this school is worth every dime in tuition, isn’t it?!?!

Furthermore, Marquette asserts that the overall average starting salary was $62,703 - with a median initial salary of $54,250. The school provides the following: “Salary information was reported for 61.7% of all employed members of the graduating class.” When Marquette JDs who are now selling insurance or working the ticket booth at Miller Park choose not to furnish their dismal salaries to the school, it helps the commode.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+3

Average Law Student Indebtedness: US “News” lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Marquette JD Class of 2010 who incurred debt for law school - as $110,147. Fully 90% of this private toilet’s 2010 graduating class took on such debt. This figure does not include debt from undergrad.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2009/390/806/2009-390806251-06185209-9.pdf

Administrator Salaries: Head to page 33 of MarqueTTe Univer$iTTy’s 2009 IRS Form 990, to see how well the professors and administrators are doing, under this system. Dean Joseph D. Kearney made $287,231 in TOTAL COMPENSATION for 2008. Kearney took in $252,292 in base compensation; $18,400 in deferred compensation; and $15,539 in nontaxable benefits. Does anyone see how “higher education” benefits administrators and “educators”?!?!

http://marquette.lawschoolnumbers.com/

Generosity of this Catholic Commode: Law School Numbers shows that, in 2005-2006, Marquette provided full-tuition scholarships to 4.2% of its law students, while furnishing half tuition scholarships to 4.9% of students. The toilet also offered full tuition plus stipend to 0.3 percent. By the way, apparently the school charged $27,750 - in full time tuition - for 2006-2007.

http://www.jsonline.com/multimedia/photos/101522984.html

Marquette’s New Law School Building: Take a look at the slide show, regarding the commode’s shiny new law building.

“Marquette University's new $85 million law school building, Eckstein Hall, is one of the most significant architectural projects in Milwaukee in some time.”

Yes, the school needed a new edifice, which totaled $85 million in costs, didn't it?!?! In the final analysis, the school was trying to improve its ranking with this capital project. Look at the figures above. Apparently, the school feels that it is better to raise $85 million for a new law building rather than pushing for similar amounts of cash, for scholarship money to students. This Wisconsin Law Journal article points out that the new building has 200,000 square feet.

Conclusion: Marquette University Law School is an overpriced toilet that provides its students with TTT job prospects. If one earns his law degree from this dung pit - and chooses to remain in Wisconsin - at least he does not need to shell out thousands more to take the state bar. However, the fact remains that this Je$uit trash pit elects to charge its students $37,570 - for a single year of tuition. That is appalling and reprehensible. The job market is contracting. Of course, this does affect the “professors” - many of whom practiced law very briefly and do not understand the toll that MASSIVE student loan debt will take on a young graduate.

You DO NOT need to take on $115K-$150K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, in order to earn $35K-$55K per year, as a licensed attorney.

http://www.finaid.org/calculators/scripts/loanpayments.cgi

“A good rule of thumb is that your total education debt SHOULD BE LESS THAN your expected starting salary. If you borrow more than twice your expected starting salary you will find it extremely difficult to repay the debt.” [Emphasis mine]

150 comments:

  1. The definition of insanity is repeating the same course of action and expecting a different result.

    I highly doubt that attending this school will result in a happy ending, given the exorbitant cost of attendance and low ranking. Yet I am sure there are hundreds of 0Ls anticipating the start of orientation next month, hoping they will be the exception rather than the rule. Such recklessness. You are better off taking $150k to Vegas than spending three years and that kind of indentured debt servitude to attend a school that has no respect in the legal community outside of Cheese State. At least with the Vegas scenario, you could walk away from the debt in bankruptcy. In the alternative, you will work substandard jobs to pay for the albatross of a Marquette JD you will wear around your neck for the rest of your life. Insane indeed.

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  2. Which Vegas Casino would give 150k in credit to a college graduate with 20k in debt?

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  3. Eckstein Hall is a symptom of the values that represent, not only law school administrations, but of higher education education in general. Too many schools, like Marquette Law, think they can improve their reputations through construction rather than education. Facilities have become more important than faculties. The result is that, in the end, everybody loses--students most of all.

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  4. I would like to give Dona Furiosa English lessons. I still don't understand a word she said, and I finished in.. well... read the signature.

    Again, Nando, you wasted your time. *Golf clap*

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  5. "A good rule of thumb is that your total education debt SHOULD BE LESS THAN your expected starting salary. If you borrow more than twice your expected starting salary you will find it extremely difficult to repay the debt.”

    This is probably one of your finest quotes yet Nando!

    Big problem is for every person out there like Nando who questions the dynamics of Higher Education in the US, you have about 1000 "World Traveling" Law Students who are still snowed into thinking that the JD will magically open doors to a better way of life. People who do not work in law do not realize how horrible starting salaries are, especially these days. I have friends who are still paying off their student loans who have graduated from law school over 7 years ago.

    One other thing most 0L's do not realize is the extreme pecking order which exists at many law firms (including big, mid, and even small). Pecking order is absolutely no different with In-House/Corporate Counsel. Never mind receiving a paltry starting salary; try getting ahead if you do not have connections, or you so happen to be an opinioned person. You can easily get black balled if you piss someone off. The pressure to produce billable hours is also a huge problem in this field and some firms place such extreme demands on new associates (and some legal support to bill, bill, bill) you are burned out three years into your career (recent case in point, Lisa Johnstone). Anyone who is not connected to score their first job or refuses to take the paralegal route first before going to law school is just asking for it.

    Keep up the great work.

    TMF1977

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  6. From Andrew Spillane's recent article: "Adding to the anxiety of the job search are the crushing amounts of student loan debt shouldered by my classmates; some debt figures may reach over $100,000."

    SOME debt figures MAY, uh, you know, possibly reach over six figures. How about 90% of your most recent graduating class AVERAGING over $110,000. What's so hard about saying the truth?

    People within the law school system need to stop pretending that everything's okay. It's not.

    That's why I dropped out after a semester, and it's easily one of the best decisions I've ever made.

    Great timing with this one, Nando.

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  7. TMF1977 May be a type of sheep. I am not sure yet, but I am looking into the situation. Nando, the following quote is unrealistic and asinine:

    "A good rule of thumb is that your total education debt SHOULD BE LESS THAN your expected starting salary. If you borrow more than twice your expected starting salary you will find it extremely difficult to repay the debt.”

    So, if a person starts a job at $60,000 a year, they should have less than $60,000 in debt? Are you insane? In other words: don't go to college. If a person lives cheaply out of school (which any intelligent person would do), they can pay off their loans and still live decently. It may require forgoing some of the things that people think are necessities.

    Also, my sources are coming up that TMF1977 IS a sheep. A scamblog following sheep lmao. You all call those who go to law school 'blindly' sheep, but you are all no better, preaching about something you have NO REAL IDEA about. Nando. Go take the bar exam. I DARE YOU.

    Also, get some cred on here and post yer rank!

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  8. "I would like to give Dona Furiosa English lessons. I still don't understand a word she said, and I finished in.. well... read the signature."

    Jesus H. Christ. You are sure you in the 18% of your class?

    To paraphrase Dona: if you build a fancy library or building, the lemmings will come and enroll because hot damn: those new, shiny buildings are so state of the art dude! Never mind that the school is an over-priced, suck pit; just look at that modern library man!

    Clear now?

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  9. Whatever dude. I would be only too happy to post my resume which probably my jobs and schools I graduated from outshines your resume, but why bother? Question is, WTF are you doing on this blog bozo? You have yet to articulate why you are better off than Nando, or the other scam bloggers who are pointing out severe problems in higher education and the US legal profession. From your posts I gather you never worked in Big Law or for Corporate Counsel? Am I correct about this? If you did, you wouldn't bother to posts such snarky remarks here knocking Nando, Dona, and other recent law grads struggling to find decent work in this economy. You do realize that student loan debt *and* the over production of low quality, newly minted attorneys is a very serious problem facing our nation? I have to admit that it's a little hard to comprehend that you are even part of the XY Generation even thinking the way you do. But you'll be in for it once you graduate, granted if you able to pass the Bar.

    TMF1977

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  10. I am so incredible. I am now working for free in the legal field. From a 4th tier school no less. If a retard like me can do it anyone can! You just gotta believe in yourself, people.

    Did I let my low IQ stop me from going to a Jesuit college? No. When WNEC admitted me with a 3.2 undergrad grade point average in econ, did I let my fear of a sad job market prevent me from enrolling in a fourth tier school. Uh-uh. I pulled myself up by my little bootstraps and went to work. When my best friend in law school was banging wife's head against the headboard and sucking on her toes, did I let that distract me from my goal? Hell no. After that I spent even more time in the library reading and stuff.

    Now look where I'm at. I'm in the top 1/5 at a powerhouse regional law school. You are just jealous of my accomplishments. Who else can say they are in the top 18% of a 4th tier law school and working for free in the honorable legal profession?

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  11. The post above was NOT me. Pathetic.

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  12. I like to brag about my 4th tier academic skillz because I'm insecure about myself. I mean I made top 1/5 and all but I'm working for free. How am I supposed to pay my bills? Here I worked hard and had initiative and I don't have a paid job. And yet I feel like have standing to tell those who are paying their bills and have completed law school how the job market isn't that bad. And how they should quit griping about the terrible job market.

    I guess I really am pathetic.

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  13. It is indeed pathetic, I don't know who thinks they could possibly compare to my comments. Didn't I mention I had a 3.2? Slightly better than average, the sheep who follow these blogs could only dream of matching such an accomplishment that has no bearing on anything ever!

    To truly know my greatness, know this. I once serviced a mule with a 12 inch endowment. Only the most exemplary asskissing lemming could even attempt such an incredible feat. I am the dragon, before me you rightly tremble.

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  14. I am here to show that Andrew Spillane has nothing on me in the shilling department. I would go so far as to say that law schools are doing a public service by educating us in the ways of the law. The professors aren't paid enough. I won't be satisfied until all professors are making at least $250,000 per year.

    After my best friend went to town on my wife;s vagina I forgave him and helped him with his Contracts outline. If he promised to stop screwing her behind my back. So far, he has yet to live up to that promise. But he is making progress.) How is that for forgiveness and moral standing?

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  15. The post above was NOT me. Pathetic!

    The World Traveling Ass Hat| 18th percentile excellence; 100% Asshole.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Delusional since birth."

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  16. This is becoming very funny to me very quickly.

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  17. Not only do I carry a top 18% class rank but a keen sense of humor. While you may think that this upsets me, it does not. It only makes me smile. You see, today I was able to land a 2nd summer internship. I talked to a judge from my school. So far that's 3 people I have met this summer who have had nothing but success from my 4th tier school. Interesting, isn't it?

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  18. I dropped out of school, and though I failed it many times, I finally got my GED. My alma matter, which is currently unranked, is the only college that would admit me, since it has open admissions. With alot of tutoring and grade replacement, I was able to graduate with a lowly 3.2 gpa.

    Who would accept me with my 3.2 gpa? I wondered. Thankfully, WNEC did. With a 25th percentila gpa of 2.92, I was a shoo in to this practically open admission law school. A 3.2 at any other law school would put me in the bottom half of the class, but with the other idiots in my class being even dumber than me, it makes me top of my class.


    I cant wait to get my coveted prestige job doing doc review!

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  19. And while I am smiling and not working hard at my unpaid job, I am continuing to post here on TTR trying to convince you sheep that I am truly smart and sucessful! Really I am! I don't care if I never worked in a law firm, or never worked for corporate counsel, or even attempted to look for a job after graduating with a BA in Economics in 2010. I don't need to do all of that to secure a job! All of you 3T and 2T law grads who couldn't secure work after graduating from better ranked schools than me are clueless about what it takes to be successful! For example, the old as dirt, retired judge who teaches mock trial at my school gave me an internship working in the mail room at City Court this summer after months of my stalking him on campus. Success!

    The World Traveling Ass Hat| 18th percentile excellence| 100 percentile asshole.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Delusional since birth."

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  20. "Facilities have become more important than faculties."

    Yeah, a kitchen table might not be "state of the art," yet seems to be an adequate environment for absorbing the lessons of Marbury v. Madison.

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  21. You see how my success has angered the scamblog sheep supporters? Envy is deadly. Hate the game, not the player. I may be working for free like a chump now. But you'll be begging me to post here when I am reeling in million dollar corporate law cases. And my wife will be sorry she let my law school buddy screw her like a light bulb of her and suck on her toes. If he'd just done that I wouldn't even care. I prefer to lick donkey balls as it is.

    The World Traveling Law Student| 18th percentile excellence| BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Delusional since birth."

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  22. When is Jose Baez going to comment on this blog?

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  23. I's be knowin' nuthin' 'bout dis here Joe Baez figure. So I's don' be knowin' when he'll be checkin' in here. But I'll ya what. The COlonel is in the mutha-fuckin' hooooooouuuuuuse! Sorry for da delay. I's was bizzy eatin' cole slaw grilled chickins n shit/

    Dwayne Mutha-Fuckin' Wade, NBA superstah 'n pimpin' basketballer recently be complainin' dat he be locked out wit' his other ballers fo' da upcomin' season. Sees how goddamn, muthafuckin', sonuvabasterin'bitchin', fuckin' generous mah company be?? Does ya?

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-07-11/kfc-offers-dwyane-wade-a-job-during-lockout

    "Our offer: Come serve as an honorary captain at a local KFC drive-thru window. And, while we can't match your most recent salary, we'll honor your KFC service by making a donation in your name to Colonel's Scholars, a charity providing young people with much needed college scholarships, if you accept. How's that for a slam dunk?"

    Lemme jus' say dis. Looks how mah mu'fuckin' GM be handlin' dat like a fuckin' pro! Got damn. I haven't ben this pumped up o' proud since I ate cousin Gertrude's pussy behind an Indiana briar patch in 1912, aftah church let out.

    Fo' ya ignorant ‘bout da sityooashun, Dwayne Wade SUperstah played fo' Marquette. I don't think the mu'fucker even graduated. And look how well be doin' fo' himself. So it be wit' a sincere heart that I be offerin' enny Marquette Law grad a chance to work fo' one a mah many 'stablishments. If ya's works reals hard 'n study like the law student above, I'lls gives ya a shot t' prove yaself.

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  24. As a vegetarian I do not approve of Colonel Sanders, nor would I take your job offer. Your company is well known for the murder of thousands upon THOUSANDS of chickens. Raised in tight cages, your corporation is involved in GENOCIDE.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  25. Nando, I know you have your beliefs, and I have mine, but I feel like we got off on the wrong foot. Can we start over?

    Why won't you respond to my emails? I can handle it when you delete an occasional post of mine, but it infuriates me every time I send you my naked pictures and you ignore me. I even bleached my asshole for you.

    Please talk to me Nando. Love me Nando. LOOOVE MEEE!!! GODDAMN YOU!!!!!

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  26. This is how you sheep try to stifle opposing opinions. I am so thankful you didn't go into litigation. Could you imagine this idiocy going down in the courtroom? Could you? I could not. Shows a lot about maturity. Acting one's age. Shows a lot about respect. Respect for the fellow man.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  27. Nando, I COMMAND THEE to DELETE and DESTROY the posts that I did not post that are signed with the signature.

    These posts represent FALSE REPRESENTATION and amount to a DEFAMATION (as in Torts) of my CHARACTER. I do not use such fowl language on my posts, nor do I resort to the use of gross sexual generalizations. Nor do I use such disrespect for any female.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  28. You're an idiot...truly madly deeply...an idiot.

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  29. Nando, I COMMAND THEE to DELETE and DESTROY all the pictures which I have sent you, depicting me in the act of using various farm animals for sexual gratification in my Uncle's dark and dusty garage.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  30. demosthenes of america (whatever that means), you sir, are using name calling to win a battle against me. You have no real argument, so you call me an idiot. Clever. Very clever. Very sad. Very very sad.

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  31. @World Traveling Ass Hat:

    It's not Court! It's the internet silly, and you started it!

    Regards,

    NYU, Pace, and Manhattanville Grad
    (That's 3 Degrees!)
    Graduated Cum Laude

    "Respectfully paying my bills and taxes since 2000 when I graduated with a BA."

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  32. I feel terrible for this poor kid. I've beaten a lot of really intelligent, articulate and logical people in arguments in a wide variety of forums. I wasn't "battling" with you just making observations based on presented facts, so there's no argument to win. Even if I did I would refuse to have a battle of the wits with an unarmed person.

    You were the exact type of zero lemming I tried to save from making the terrible mistake of going to law school (at least I used to). In today's world with your kind of background and resources (financial, mental, physical, spiritual, etc.) I really don't see you prospering. It's a very unforgiving market environment and it doesn't take much for anyone to slip into the abyss. I really do hope that you don't fall into that nothingness but, given the evidence you've volunteered, I really don't have much hope. I even doubt whether you're an actual law student.

    If so, you're somewhere between the Eeyore Lemmings that I've covered before and a zealous believer in the lie. Maybe you'll make it out ok (given where you started that shouldn't be hard and I say that not to snipe but to honestly commend you).

    Good luck moron and remember, "Oportet ministros manus lavare antequam latrinam relinquent."

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  33. http://law.marquette.edu/cgi-bin/site.pl?2130&pageID=190

    As a student at this overpriced, Jesuit dung heap, you can onto the Marquette Sports Law Review!! Imagine the reaction of various beautiful women, when they realize that you are a notes editor on this prestigious academic journal. When you enter a Milwaukee bar, women will leave the Wisconsin Badger starting linebacker they are with, and sit in your lap. [Disclaimer: Actually, don’t mention to anyone that you are on this specialty journal. If you prefer to be laughed out of the room, then go ahead and brag about your achievement.]

    http://law.marquette.edu/s3/site/images/sports/survey2009.pdf

    Check out this 2009 survey, which purports to show recent updates in sports law. After all, who doesn’t have time to spend reading 160 pages of drivel?!?!

    http://law.marquette.edu/cgi-bin/site.pl?2130&pageID=160

    That’s not all this second tier sewage pit offers its students. The school also hosts the National Sports Law Institute! In fact, this “institute” is rather unique.

    “Founded in 1989, the National Sports Law Institute of Marquette University Law School is the only Institute of its kind associated with an American law school. The Institute's Mission is to be the leading national educational and research institute for the study of legal, ethical and business issues affecting amateur and professional sports from an academic and practical perspective. The Institute sponsors local and national events including conferences and symposia for individuals in the sports industry, and disseminates information on the sports industry and sports law through its many publications, such as the Marquette Sports Law Review. As a part of Marquette University, a Catholic Jesuit University, the Institute is committed to searching for truth, discovering and sharing information, fostering professional excellence, developing leaders, and serving those in the sports industry.”

    http://law.marquette.edu/cgi-bin/site.pl?2130&pageID=177

    As a MarqueTTe law student, you can earn your very own Sports Law Certificate. And we all know how sought after this credential can be, right?!?! How often do law firms want to hire a graduate, except for the fact that he does not have a sports law certificate?

    http://law.marquette.edu/s3/site/images/sports/sl_cert.pdf

    Here is a copy of the famed Sports Law Certificate from the prestigious, distinguished National Sports Law Institute of Marquette University Law School. If you want a complimentary brochure highlighting the phenomenal Sports Law Program, email the associate director of NSLI at paul.anderson@marquette.edu.

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  34. Nando, your arch-nemesis Cooley just sued a few internet commenter John Does and the law firm that was looking to institute a class action lawsuit against them. I suppose they will have the judge in the case take judicial notice that Cooley is ranked number 2, right behind Harvard, in the all important Cooley Rankings.

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  35. ^^ wow i just googled it and its true. fucking amazing. they're making themselves look even worse.

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  36. Cooley has a TTTT reputation to protect, folks.

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  37. Marquette has the 2nd best law school in the state. That's got to count for something. Oh wait. There are only two law schools in WI.

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  38. So Cooley might shut y'all up? Score!

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  39. Are you kidding me? If this baseless claim doesn't get dismissed, Cooley will probably end up having to pay everybody it named as a defendant at settlement.

    Cooley has A LOT more to lose here, and now this rancid school is going to give even more publicity to the scambloggers.

    Keep fighting these fuck heads Nando.

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  40. WTF, Ray and Kay Eckstein? You had a spare 51 million dollars to promote education or culture or to ease the sufferings of humanity. And what did you do with it? You gave it to a toilet law school to build a building.

    By the way, Ecksteins, they butchered the project. Here is a nice review from a local architectural critic, panning your 51 million dollar mousetrap as "hackneyed and corporate," as a "jumble of design ideas," and as being "at best, adequate and largely undistinguished."

    http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/entertainment/101525833.html

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  41. "So Cooley might shut y'all up? Score!

    July 14, 2011 5:26 PM"

    Cooley is a festering, stinking trash pit and a blemish on society. So are its boosters/shills/apologists. Keep up the good work, scambloggers.

    Score!

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  42. Why do you guys want schools shut down so bad?

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  43. A common housecat has a better shot at practicing law than do most Cooley grads. Though there are, I am sure, exceptions.

    Some cats may be bored with law.

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  44. I mentioned bringing my pets to law school and you all laughed at me. WTF?

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  45. NYC Hiring Partner, where you at? Time to check in.

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  46. "Why do you guys want schools shut down so bad?

    July 14, 2011 6:20 PM"

    We want excess LAW schools shut down.

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  47. Incidently, Cooley doesn't usually mention their most famous grad, convicted sex offender and former Mayor of Waterbury Phil Giordano. Back in 2001 I met him at a function and quickly decided he was yet another friendly, extroverted, shallow, vapid, oil slick of a politico, little did I know.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Giordano

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  48. Would you consider WNEC an excess LAW school? Seriously. Why? Because it's 4th tier, or because a lot of people in this area do well from there?

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  49. Ho ho ho, alrighty kids. It's NYC hirin' pardner in da house. Yooooodaleyleeoooooh.

    I would not hire any sumbich from this place. Come try my fifteen herbs and spices. I have been in the legal field for fiddy years. I am da NYC hirin pardner and dat's all I have.

    P.S. Keep it smooth, Nadno.

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  50. The Cooley lawsuit was a preemptive strike against the firm that was contemplating being plaintiffs' counsel in the talked about class action lawsuit. There are many problems with the Cooley lawsuit and I believe it will blow up in their face. Subpoena power goes both ways. By filing this lawsuit, Cooley opens their books to the defendants for examination. Ex-employees and former students/grads are open game for despositions. In the long run, the lawsuit will backfire on Cooley.

    Besides having jurisdiction problems, let's say Cooley prevails (by default being the only way I can think of). At the proof hearing, Cooley will have to prove damages. How can Cooley prove its reputation has been damaged? I am sure most attorneys that know of this school will agree that it is the laughingstock of the legal profession. How can you prove damages? It's like calling a pedophile a pervert.

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  51. "Would you consider WNEC an excess LAW school? Seriously. Why? Because it's 4th tier, or because a lot of people in this area do well from there?

    July 14, 2011 6:33 PM"

    I don't know personally because I have never heard of the place.

    Regardless of that, I think law schools should be culled until the number of law licensees roughly equals the number of law jobs at a given point in time. When schools are pumping out 40000 or 50000 JD's for 20000 legal jobs, well, that's just a "profession" that doesn't give a fuck about its members or about these kids' futures.

    And, it's stupid.

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  52. What is a "WNEC"? Seriously.

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  53. Sometimes I am happy to be in Asia, though the beer selection is not all it could be.

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  54. Dear WTLS,

    I made the order of the coif at a top 14 law school. Don't believe the hype; law school is a scam. I'm an entrepreneur, and like most of us, I'm hanging in there and chasing that dollar, but the idea that my law degree is worth the nearly 200k I paid for it is goddamn insane.

    I summered at a top big law firm in Boston. We made fun of your law school. This will not end well for you, and it's not your fault, because you were fucking duped.

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  55. Nando:

    Moist beer fart? Hilarious. Almost as funny as "Check Your Drawers, Chapman School of Law"....

    Your euphemisms make me laugh. Even my wife, a non-college graduate with no debt and a killer job enjoys your posts.

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  56. I think you guys would have jobs if you spent less time whining, looking for straw men to criticize, and googling pictures of poop. Just pointing out the elephant in the room.

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  57. ^

    I think you would perform your job better if you spent less time making up words and visiting a sight dedicated to helping others and exposing fraud for a public purpose. Just point out the reality in the room

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  58. Well, since we're going to criticize making up words, I think you should learn the difference between "site" and "sight." Just pointing out the hypocrisy in the room.

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  59. touchee. Kind of asked for that.

    Seriously though, I curious why you feel the need to make a comment like that on a "site" that is full of facts and explicitly says its purpose is to inform potential applicants to help them make their own decisions?

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  60. Is that you World Traveling Law Student?

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

    So let's see, pointing out that many law schools charge its students on average nearly $30K per year for tuition alone, *and* the fact that the number of graduates produced each year far out numbers the number of job openings for entry level associates? That's not being hypocritical; that’s stating fact.

    As far as the harsh criticism directed at one "World Traveling Law Student", that kid (yes he is a very young man in his early 20's) made numerous posts not only directing his criticism at the author of this blog (Nando), but also went at other posters when they had mentioned their experiences working and temping in law firms, and attempting to find work after graduation, however cries foul play when posters pointed out his lack of experience. The internet provides a two way street with critiquing. If that kid is going to post on a blog and make comments alluding that those of us who already either have jobs working in law, or who have previously graduated from law school, passed the bar, and had difficulty marketing a job and suggest we are “sheep” and don’t know what we are talking about, World Traveling Student allowed himself to get sliced and diced like he did. Granted I don’t approve of some of the mock posts directed at the kid, but thinking just because he scored an unpaid internship means he is on his way to “success”, that kid is going to be in for it big time in 2.5 years.

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  61. Actually, it was hypocrisy. You were reduced to attacking my use of the term "googling," which I felt was irrelevant and kind of silly, so I just returned fire and pointed out that your choice of words wasn't spot on either. You making a mistake while criticizing my choice of words makes you a hypocrite. Sorry. Touche only has one "e" by the way.

    And I'm not that traveling guy. You can believe me or not. No biggie.

    What annoys me is the double standard here. I've read a few times "don't give me some anecdotal evidence about how you landed a job." You people act like that isn't relevant, and that offering anecdotes about how people DO succeed after law school is off the table, yet that is exactly what your testimonies are-- anecdotal evidence. You have had a rough time. Okay, that sucks, but SHOCKER it's difficult for everybody during harsh economic times. Who ISN'T having a rough go these days (other than bankruptcy and family law attorneys)?

    It's a problem prevalent throughout our society--Sense of Entitlement. It might as well define our generation. We are a generation entitled. We think that the world owes us something.
    You were duped into law school, ya say? Employment figures? Really? Sounds like someone didn't do their research. Sounds like someone didn't look into their career choice before taking on massive debt. Sounds like someone has himself to blame as much as the law schools. I say this because I made those same mistakes. This blog, as well as others, seem littered with whiny little kids upset that they aren't making 6 fucking figures right out of the gates of law school. Under what delusion did you think it would be like that? What blinders did you have to wear to go to law school expecting absolute success afterwards? There is a ladder to climb in every field, including this one, and after school, you start on the bottom rung, just like everybody else.
    Blame socialism. Blame the welfare state. Blame stupidity...whatever, but everybody thinks they're entitled to prosperity just because they went to school for another 3 years. Give me a break.

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  62. I'm taking my licks. I'm working at a job that doesn't pay well, but I'm getting experience, and in four or five years, I plan to move onto something else. Do I whine? Sometimes. Do I feel cheated? A little. Do I bitch about it incessantly on a blog? Hell no. I'm not that much of a douche to blame someone else for a mistake that I made. I also realize that being a whiny douche is very likely to prevent someone from hiring me, as being a whiny douche is a character flaw, and not particularly appealing to an office environment.

    I think the law education field is something of a racket, but not because of employment figures (that's just puffery to me, and everybody does that), but because I feel that the ABA is approving too many schools. Every year another what, four or so schools get ABA approval? Hey, let's saturate the market even more, how about that?
    I think that schools (like Marquette, it appears) that have been around for a century or so have nothing to prove. What bothers me is these johnny-come-latelys from the past 20 years trying to cash in on the legal education crop, getting ABA approval (of course,the ABA wants more money!), and duping people who have no business being in law school into attending for unholy tuition rates.

    But again, that's my argument against the system. I'm not going to post pictures of feces to get it across. Nor am I going to rant about it every day on a blog. I'll just post it in this comment where it sink into obscurity, much like this blog. But unlike these blogs, this comment took 10 minutes of my time, as opposed to months.

    Play the blame game all you want, kids. We're in control of our own destinies. The sooner you sack the fuck up and do something productive, the better.

    I actually subscribed to a blog awhile back, called Big Debt Small Law. It was a similar blog, but didn't have the childish ranting, ad hominem personal attacks on dissenters, and the guy was a likable guy. Not this nando guy. He seems like a whiny, vindictive douche

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  63. Cooley's SLAPP suit against the lawyers and scam bloggers is an offensive action in a defensive war. If these law schools have been fabricating misleading employment numbers, the class action lawsuits are comming and they know it.

    The Cooley being the second best law school in America in the Cooley rankings doesn't help them either.

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  64. 11:19 would say:

    'Who relied on Enron's financial statements when investing in their stock?! that was just 'puffery'! Those investors were in control of their own destinies and outcomes! They should have taken ownership and just jumped out windows after losing their life savings!'

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  65. Actually, I was 11:18, but reading is hard, I understand.

    There is quite a bit of difference between investing in Enron and going to law school. Similarities can be drawn (as in any situation involving any apple and orange), but there are MANY factors to consider when going to law school, not JUST employment numbers, while misleading shareholders is, well, the only source of reliance.

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  66. Hey snarkly little B-boy at 12:00

    Go eff yourself. Maybe you should complain about federal and state prosecutors 'whining' about people who commit fraud. Actually they do a bit more than whine. They prosecute them and lock them away.

    We are all real amazed by your brave Horatio Alger attitude. Now go back to your successful and profitable business life and make me a pizza. Make sure its warm upon delivery and there's a nice crisp dollar bill in it for you.

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  67. "[B]ut there are MANY factors to consider when going to law school, not JUST employment
    numbers[.]

    Agreed to an extent. I don't believe anyone should pursue any field just simply due to the money. However duping people whether it be providing false employment stats, or false financial forecasting is wrong. Here's the difference, a shareholder can sue the company in which provided such false information. The student? Well...that's the kid's problem you see, he really didn't do his homework. Prior to scam bloggers, most of the information provided to students came directly from the schools itself. It was not until the legal market became so over saturated to the point that one could not overlook the saturation problem anymore. Not only does this vast production of lawyers cause a problem with issues with thousands of people possibly destroying their lives due to having bad credit (remember, you have to pay back that loan no matter what), a whole other problem had reared its ugly head with displaced support staff. Now maybe you don’t give a toss about some 50 y/o losing his job being a secretary or paralegal for nearly 30-20 years of his life (and gathering from your snarky comments, I doubt you have little sympathy), however thanks to the ABA in allowing far too many law schools and in addition, allowing LPO's to set up shop, another elephant invaded yet another room. There is a vast number of middle age, and near retirement age people who spent years working for law firms who cannot find work due to their age, and the fact that firms are not hiring right now. Now is it these people's fault for losing their jobs and not being able to control their destiny? Give me a break…

    You are entitled to your opinion regarding this blog, or any other scam blog. But your argument in putting down the scam blog movement is weak at best. It isn't about some kid getting pissed off because he was offered only $50K starting salary. Think of it this way, if you knew someone who only earned a salary of $40K, and that person wanted to buy a car or home costing over $130K, would you recommend that person to go for it? I know I wouldn't. You just can't ignore the fact that tuition today is staggering and kids are graduating in debt. The fact that due to the existence of so many low ranked law schools, there are a large number of attorneys practicing law who have no business even being near their local court house. Call it whining if you will, but personally I'm glad these bloggers are loud, crude, and bitch a whole lot. If everyone was like you, no one would be clued into these enormous problems.

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  68. "I think you guys would have jobs if you spent less time whining, looking for straw men to criticize, and googling pictures of poop. Just pointing out the elephant in the room.

    July 15, 2011 7:30 AM"

    I hve been gainfully employed for 23 years, thank you. I love the scamblogs and the very valuable information they provide.

    So I don't see what you mean by "you guys".

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  69. On every scamblog, there is always someone that cries out "caveat emptor" and places all the blame on the victims while the scammers are supposed to get away without criticism, not to mention prosecution!

    What an awful society it would be if every seller of goods and services can mislead or outright lie about claims and material facts and when the buyer is stuck with a "bill of goods", the scammers can just tell the victims "caveat emptor", that you should have done more research so you could have seen through our lies!

    I guess the Bernie Madoffs should have gotten off since the investors are to blame due to this "caveat emptor" concept where the gullible, naive and unsophisticated buyer has full responsibility while the scammers have none.

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  70. "I think you guys would have jobs if you spent less time whining, looking for straw men to criticize, and googling pictures of poop. Just pointing out the elephant in the room.

    July 15, 2011 7:30 AM"

    AMEN!!! AMEN!!!!!!!!

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  71. I think Nando just got served, BIG TIME. He had that coming though. Hell, you all did.

    The World Traveling Law Student

    "...and the guy was a likable guy. Not this nando guy. He seems like a whiny, vindictive douche"

    ...Classic.

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  72. "I think you guys would have jobs if you spent less time whining, looking for straw men to criticize, and googling pictures of poop. Just pointing out the elephant in the room.

    July 15, 2011 7:30 AM"

    AMEN!!! AMEN!!!!!!!!

    The World Traveling Law Student

    July 15, 2011 2:40 PM "

    I've been working for DECADES and am a BIG FAN of this and other scamblogs.

    AMEN!!!!! AMEN!!!!!!!

    YOU JUST GOT SERVED MAN!!!!!

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  73. World Traveling Fucking Piece of MotherFucking Shit,

    Why would not you go and fuck your mom in the ass. She is the only woman that you can manage to have sex with. Mostly, you are having forced sex with men. Yes, and you swallow too.

    Fuck off.

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  74. To the whiny bitch who posted the drivel at 9:21 am, 11:18 am, 11:19 am and 12:00 pm today:

    http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=64.130.109.42

    How is life in Troy, Alabama, you piece of trash? By the way, the stark images and the aggressive tone have helped bring the attention of the mainstream press, dumbass. Do...you...understand...that?!?!

    Time Visitor Session Referrer
    Jul 15 2011 11:40am 64.130.109.42 10 actions 24m 50s
    Jul 15 2011 11:02am 64.130.109.42 7 actions 19m 12s
    Jul 15 2011 9:19am 64.130.111.191 6 actions 7m 55s

    YOU need to “man up” and get off your knees, ball-less shill. By the way, I have spoken to the author of Big Debt, Small Law on the phone, in the past. He is a nice man. Have you noticed that he took his blog down twice?

    When you are dealing with human waste and rat droppings, i.e. you, one must be a little ruthless – and willing to get dirty. I know that your feelings are hurt, because I fight back. Get over it, bitch. Where did it enter your tiny mind that you will be allowed to act like a pig, and no one would ever call you out?!?!

    Take your “buyer beware” attitude and shove it up your rectum, dung beetle.

    Who gives a damn if you are working the cash register at the Troy, AL Walmart Supercenter? Do you want someone to feel sorry for you, apologist cockroach?!?! Go cry to your boyfriend, sperm receptacle.

    The mental deficient wrote the following, at 11:19 am:

    “We're in control of our own destinies.”

    If you believe that nonsense, then you truly are one pathetic ass-hat. Do you control the job market? Can you influence important decisions? How often do members of Congress return your phone calls or emails? Did you manage the circumstances of your birth? (Perhaps, you should have informed your bitch mother that she should not turkey baste herself after going down on that truck driver, in Shreveport.)

    In the end, you have no solutions and no ideas how to improve the situation. You simply have your MISGUIDED BELIEFS and empty, meaningless platitudes. You are welcome for the beatdown, ass-clown. Do the world a favor and jump in front of traffic.

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  75. 'World Traveling Fucking Piece of MotherFucking Shit,

    Why would not you go and fuck your mom in the ass. She is the only woman that you can manage to have sex with. Mostly, you are having forced sex with men. Yes, and you swallow too.

    July 15, 2011 3:14 PM'

    AMEN!!! AMEN!!!!!!!!

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  76. @World Traveling AssHat with ZERO Life Experience,

    To answer your question about whether WNECL is an "excess" law school, - in my opinion - YES - It is excess and should be shut down immediately. No go fuck yourself. When you get a paying attorney job that lets you pay your loans back, then you are welcome back here to "tell us how it really is." But until that time, you're just a fucking idiot living in your mom's basement in Springfield, MA.

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  77. I don't know how law schools get away with their outright lies regarding salary numbers. Can you imagine if a business claimed they earned 20 million in profits, based on the numbers from 2 operating divisions? Meanwhile, the other 8 divisions posted a loss of 20 billion dollars but were omitted.

    The top management of that company would be hauled into jail so fast it would make their heads spin. Those fuckers wouldn't get away, even in today's business-friendly environment. Law school administrators should spend time in the slammer, getting slammed by Tyrone in the shower.

    That caveat emptor defense is bullshit as well. "Buyer beware?" Really? So you admit your program is a festering dump that steals money from naive lemmings and doesn't teach shit to them?

    Once I finish my Dumbass of Law series, I will go after the scum masquerading as "legal educators"

    Go ahead and sue me assholes. This turde is going to clog the fucking toilet.

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  78. I wish that this piece of shit shyster "world traveling law student" be thrown in to the same jail (for not paying his student loans) where Boris the Sodomizer is serving time. You walk in the shower and see the poor fucker on his knees in front of Boris with cumstache and sperm on his chin. Then Boris gives him a Dirty Sanchez. After that all cell goes gang-ho on his asshole. That is success.

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  79. Why does a law student at a Massachusetts TTTT care about a blog that beats up on other TTTTs? Shouldn't the kid be happy with these blogs? It's not like WNEC has a reputation to defend. It's a pile of rank shit.

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  80. ^

    He is not a law student. He is hired to post here his drivel. A law student would not have a care in the world.

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  81. A mentally deficient troll suffering from spinal, cerebral and testicular atrophy posted the following comment on July 15, 2011 at 11:19 pm,

    “But again, that's my argument against the system. I'm not going to post pictures of feces to get it across. Nor am I going to rant about it every day on a blog. I'll just post it in this comment where it sink into obscurity, much like this blog. But unlike these blogs, this comment took 10 minutes of my time, as opposed to months.”

    Yes, this blog is sinking into obscurity, right?! That’s why I had 1,313 visitors on Thursday and 1,075 yesterday, correct?!?! According to my stats, I receive about 25,000 visitors per month. Look at the number of comments each post attracts. Many of these posts are high quality, informative, entertaining, factual and intelligent. (Of course, those comments from pussies such as World TTTTraveling Law STTTTudent do not add anything of value, to the discussion.)

    By the way, would you take advice on the legal job market from some cockroach who claims to be a WNEC Sewer of Law student, who just completed his first year of law school - and is now (supposedly) working for free, in an internship? Or would you rather listen to those who have completed law school and/or practice law?!?!

    http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2010/07/29/best-of-the-blogs-4/

    Back on July 30, 2010 at 9:24 pm, Professor J. Gordon Hylton at Marquette Law School said the following, about Third Tier Reality:

    “For a thought-provoking (and sobering) blog devoted to the realities of legal education in the 21st century, one should check out Third Tier Reality

    http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2010/07/public-law-chool-alarie-univerity-of.html”

    http://mjlst.umn.edu/uploads/d3/21/d321a2fbd32797b62945a82256a0411a/121_jewel.pdf

    Check out this law review article, cretin. (As if YOU actually read anything substantive, mental midget.) The focus of the piece is how the scam-blogs have helped spread the word about this cartel - and attracted the attention of larger media outlets. We did not do so by being polite or genteel, cockroach. When you are facing a large indu$try - and you have the facts on your side - you can get away with being aggressive.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2

    “Avoid this overpriced sewer pit as if your life depended on it,” writes the anonymous author of the blog Third Tier Reality — a reference to the second-to-bottom tier of the U.S. News rankings — in a typically scatological review. “Unless, of course, you think that you will be better off with $110k-$190k in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a degree that qualifies you to wait tables at the Battery Park Bar and Lounge.”

    When is the last time YOU were quoted in the New York Times Sunday edition, ignorant bitch?!?! Also, this blog - as well as the other scamblogs - has been featured in ABA Journal, Wall Street Journal, law.com, Slate, etc. Lastly, have you seen the recent articles in the NYT, WSJ, and Time that are critical of law school? Pull your head out of your ass BEFORE spouting off nonsense. Otherwise, I will flush you down the toilet again, turd.

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  82. The sheep are mad. Nando is furious. I'm laughing so hard, and realizing how much I have already won. He, and the rest of you all got served, you know this is a lost cause, and desperation reeks! Nando, fold this blog and go out with some dignity. You're only digging a hole now.

    P.S. I am so so happy!

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  83. ^

    Tell us on whose payroll you are so happy, you Fucking Piece of MotherFucking shit?

    By the way, did you finish to fuck your mom in the ass?

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  84. Today, the New York Times published another hard-hitting piece on the law school scam. It's 5 pages long and focuses on Dean Dickless A. Matasar.

    N.Y.L.S. is ranked in the bottom third of all law schools in the country, but with tuition and fees now set at $47,800 a year, it charges more than Harvard. It increased the size of the class that arrived in the fall of 2009 by an astounding 30 percent, even as hiring in the legal profession imploded. It reported in the most recent US News & World Report rankings that the median starting salary of its graduates was the same as for those of the best schools in the nation — even though most of its graduates, in fact, find work at less than half that amount.

    Mr. Matasar declined to be interviewed for this article, though he agreed to answer questions e-mailed through a public relations representative.

    Asked if there was a contradiction between his stand against expanding class sizes and the growth of the student population at N.Y.L.S., Mr. Matasar wrote: “The answer is that we exist in a market. When there is demand for education, we, like other law schools, respond.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/business/law-school-economics-job-market-weakens-tuition-rises.html

    -Stephen FPLC '08

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  85. Today, the New York Times published another hard-hitting piece on the law school scam. It's 5 pages long and focuses on Dean Matasar.

    N.Y.L.S. is ranked in the bottom third of all law schools in the country, but with tuition and fees now set at $47,800 a year, it charges more than Harvard. It increased the size of the class that arrived in the fall of 2009 by an astounding 30 percent, even as hiring in the legal profession imploded. It reported in the most recent US News & World Report rankings that the median starting salary of its graduates was the same as for those of the best schools in the nation — even though most of its graduates, in fact, find work at less than half that amount.

    Mr. Matasar declined to be interviewed for this article, though he agreed to answer questions e-mailed through a public relations representative.

    Asked if there was a contradiction between his stand against expanding class sizes and the growth of the student population at N.Y.L.S., Mr. Matasar wrote: “The answer is that we exist in a market. When there is demand for education, we, like other law schools, respond.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/business/law-school-economics-job-market-weakens-tuition-rises.html

    -Stephen FPLC 08

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  86. Today, the New York Times published another hard-hitting piece on the law school scam. It's 5 pages long and focuses on Dean Matasar.

    N.Y.L.S. is ranked in the bottom third of all law schools in the country, but with tuition and fees now set at $47,800 a year, it charges more than Harvard. It increased the size of the class that arrived in the fall of 2009 by an astounding 30 percent, even as hiring in the legal profession imploded. It reported in the most recent US News & World Report rankings that the median starting salary of its graduates was the same as for those of the best schools in the nation — even though most of its graduates, in fact, find work at less than half that amount.

    Asked if there was a contradiction between his stand against expanding class sizes and the growth of the student population at N.Y.L.S., Mr. Matasar wrote: “The answer is that we exist in a market. When there is demand for education, we, like other law schools, respond.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/business/law-school-economics-job-market-weakens-tuition-rises.html

    -Stephen FPLC 08

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  87. I served my mom in the ass today with my 2 inch dick! I made it with my mom, and I don't even have my WNEC law degree yet. Booyah scamblog sheep. Get angry with my success. I worked hard to get here...at my unpaid internship. AMEN!!! AMEN!!!!

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  88. @12:37. Hey Stephen. Just so you know you're not alone, I'm a FPLC grad (patent attorney) as well from the early 2000's - currently unemployed too. Fisher-Price Law Center RULES!!! Been doing doc review for the past 6 years since getting the boot from my big law job.

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  89. Why do I get the feeling that World Traveling Law Student is going to shoot up an office in the very near future?

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  90. I read the NYTimes article which focused on NYLS and Dick Matassar. I am not falling for the portrayal of Matassar, as some sort of Dark Knight who has to work within the system he despises. Matassar is not a "conflicted" or "tortured" humanitarian. He participated in NYLS's decision to indenture itself to build these million dollar buildings and the article exposes the likely reason why NYLS increased its 1L size by 30% in 2009. It wasn't accidental or a misread on the acceptance yield. They did it because their bond rating was going down and they need to inflate the revenue on the books. Folks, these schools don't give a fuck about you, the college grad who is about to commit 3 years and $150K to attend this garbage school. Matassar made a nice living being the dean of NYLS. As I mentioned before, he is stepping down, not because he is disgusted with the system, but because like a rat, he knows the ship will sink soon and he is jumping off of it.

    The NYTimes should write an article on Cooley and its frivolous lawsuit. I really hope that NYC law firm countersues and requests all the discovery they can to uncover the motives behind a school that purchased a double A minor league baseball stadium, has 4 campuses and nearly 4,000 students.

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  91. Since I am the "traveling student", I just finished traveling (up and down) on a 10" dick. Boy, what a feeling! Feels almost as good as in my tort's class. Now I am going to go medieval on my mom's ass until the old bitch bleeds. Two success in one day. God damn it.

    The World Traveling (Fucked in the Ass)Law Student | 18th percentile excellence.
    BA of Bullshit 2010 | TTTT JD expected 2013
    "Climbing the ladder of success since birth."

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  92. "Anonymous said...
    Why do I get the feeling that World Traveling Law Student is going to shoot up an office in the very near future?

    July 16, 2011 2:05 PM"

    Whatever else may be said, he certainly is obsessed with this blog. Obsessed with the opinions of those who will never agree with him nor share his view of the "law school experience". And the reason for that is most likely because he himself is unsure of his choices and is frustrated in his quest for validation.

    The law school scamblogs provide a valuable service: they tell unsuspecting kids about the vary real risks of law school. It's true: law school, particularly non-elite law school, is very expensive relative to the opportunities provided, for MOST people. That's all. Not an offensive or nasty concept at all, and it shouldn't be abhorrent to nor offend anyone secure in themselves.

    And most people can let it go, and accept the fact this is OPINION and there are those who may never be able to agree.

    But this kid can't. He can't let it go.

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  93. "Smithers, have the Pope killed." - Monty Burns


    I love this blog because it points out what a pile of fail Legal Education is....it should be obvious that we need to demolish these schools, then send the proffies to eternal slavery in Siberia, while running PSAs that state "The Emperor has no Clothes; AVOID a Professional Education."

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  94. Contra World Traveler at 1:38:

    The New York Times is an establishment newspaper. They will cover a scandal or an outrage, but their natural tendency is to avoid institutional criticism.

    The fact that the NYT is publishing scamblog-like pieces about law school debt and job prospects, and even unflattering portrayals of phony reformers like Matasar, indicates how bad the problem has become. Tens of thousands of bright but naive kids ruined for life every year. Academic bandits getting rich off those kids and, in return, betraying their trust by providing piss-poor practical training. It is an obscenity and makes me ashamed to be a lawyer.

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  95. I will not let it go. I would. I really would. Everyone is entitled to their little opinion. At the end of the day it doesn't mean much. But this is more than that. This is a post that is a repost of a repost of a repost about a school that Nando feels is similar to his. He feels angry because he was not given a job before graduation, so did not even TRY to take the bar. He blames his shortcomings on the schools. He blames everything in his life on something else. That is entitlement. He thinks that he should have been handed a job and THEN he would take the bar. He won't tell anyone his rank or GPA though. He knows it would destroy his credibility.

    And there are people out there STUPID enough to follow him. They are STUPID enough to give up their dreams. When I read the blog about WNEC I was scared. I thought "wow, I really got myself in deep." But then I went and talked to people. I found out from much of the community, who are WNEC grads and doing well that it's not a bad school just because it's ranked low. It's a regional school. It doesn't try to be T1, because Springfield MA isn't a huge city. People from Boston don't care to come out here. Now, I never really realized that when I enrolled, but I am happy with it. Nando thinks that nobody should be happy with such a TOILET. Nando has failed in everything having to do with law, and shoots out blame to everyone. I wonder how his wife stands that. I can't even imagine.

    Nando's posts are not original. It's the same old thing twice a week. A school with the same quotes, a Jessica Alba reference thrown in, and figures from the school's website. He then uses potty references and thinks he is listing facts and figures. But it's a lazy rehash. He picks a random low ranked school. He has no grasp of supply/demand and why schools are expensive. In the end this blog is a failure, and so what if it was mentioned in the NY Times? It's a loud obnoxious blog and they wanted to bring attention to people who are angry, Nando being one of the most pissed off.

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  96. Many of the readers here feel intelligent, like Nando is doing the world a favor. Instead he is half lying to people. Yes, there is a problem with the system. Yes, I agree, there should be way less law schools. And eventually the bubble will burst. However, telling kids to not go to law school because you sucked at it is not the way to do it. Blame yourself for being in the bottom of your class and not having something lined up. You should have took the bar. Would a doctor wait to get a job before being licensed? I can't imagine such self-righteous entitlement. That's the most sickening thing about today's society.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  97. ^

    It is the time to ban this idiot. His drivel is useless and annoying. And he certainly is not a law student.

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  98. I agree. Time to ban this mother fucking jackass. BTW World Traveling asshole. Yes, I'm the FPLC grad. Since you have never worked in document review seeing as though you're just a little douche bag 1L entering your second year, you really have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Document review is not a position to be proud of. It is merely a means of meeting the bankers monthly demands for their ounce of flesh. I'm looking forward to the day that you do document review in the hope of paying back your $150,000+ debt from your WNEC shit hole. Good luck to ya.

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  99. I agree with 3:19. There's a psychological illness that describes him perfectly, but I cant remember it right now.

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  100. WT at 6:52:

    I think that most who went to law school in the 1990s or earlier are glad they did, me too. Even though the "education" was god-awful, the jobs were out there if you hustled, exactly as promised. Unfortunately, a lot has changed.

    Think of what the last 15 or so years has wrought: (1) an approximate doubling of law school tuition; (2) the opening of about 20 new law schools despite a fading legal services market;(3) a meltdown in big law hiring; (4) post-2008 government austerity- therefore, far fewer public sector jobs; (5) outsourcing and software replacing document review, so no temp income for those who can't find "real jobs" in the profession; (6) no more discharging educational debt in bankrupcy; (7) the older generation of lawyers delaying retirement because of the housing bubble. These changes, unfortunately, look to be permanent.

    So, WT, it is not surprising that you found satisfied alumni. They all graduated in better times.

    (And I suspect your disgraceful attacks on Nando are due to your fear that he is right, that he is doing a great service, and that you were a fool not to listen).

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  101. I have no comment on the Marquette law school. It is an irrelevant school and my firm has never employed any graduate of this school for any position, legal or non-legal. They can construct a $400 million state of the art building on the backs of dumb kids who insist on chasing a law career pipe dream; nevertheless, that won't change my indifferent view of this school.

    Nando, if you are going to allow some student troll to post on this blog, at least highlight his/her posts in red so I can skip over them. I have no time to read trivial and inspid comments from a wet behind the ears kid who doesn't realize how fucked he is.

    This was a big week for the law school scamblog movement. First the Cooley lawsuit and then the New York Times article.

    Alas, kids are getting dumber. They won't listen. They will continue to enroll in law school and sign their lives away to Sallie Mae and the other student lending vultures.

    I will repeat my advice. In today's new austere legal market, a biglaw job will not come your way unless you graduate from a top 10 school in the top 10% with law review. As for the schools ranked 11-25, you will need to graduate in the top 5% with law review to have a shot at the coveted $160K job. Schools ranked 26-50, you will need to graduate in the top 1% to get that biglaw job. The other schools are lottery shots, with million to one chances, unless you are connected or come from a wealthy family.

    This past week alone, a high school classmate called me to ask a favor, namely to get his boy a job at my firm. The kid went to Cornell undergrad, and attended a local NY law school (I don't recall if it was Brooklyn, Cardozo, NYLS or some other commode). I had to tell him that it was a favor I could not do. In the upcoming years, I predict any kind of law jobs will become more difficult to obtain. Your only choice will be to go solo or bust. With thousands of solos such as the famous "Pelon," who have the advertising budgets to smother a young cub, good luck with law school kids. Classes are starting up soon kids. For incoming 1Ls I suppose that means you will be buying $300 textbooks that contain 16th Century Blackstone law and for 2L and 3L students, I am sure you will be entertained with law school gems such as "Law and Race Theory." Good luck with spending the next year writing that obscure note about the repealed Glass-Steagall Act that no one will read and that won't help you on the bar exam or once you become a lawyer. Jeez, I guess it is true what Goebels said about the bigger the lie, the more they believe. Good luck kids, but be warned, neither I nor my peers will likely hire you. You will wind up a working stiff taking orders from the "Pelon" and his ilk.

    NY Hiring Partner

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  102. What is STUPID, WTLS, really and truly STUPID, is to advise any child that it is a good bet to borrow six figures on the hopes of landing in the top 10% of a given class at some third-rate "school". That is not the definiton of a good bet.

    If some lucky fellow should survive the fall from a five-storey building, that's great for him, he is an "achiever", I am sure, to you. But to ME, jumping off the roof of a five-storey building is still a poor bet for MOST people.

    Yeah, ask that physician you spoke of above the next time you see him if the only medical school grads who found residencies were those in the top 10% of his class. I.e., everybody else got thrown in the trash. Ask him that, and see what he says. Ask him what percentage of medical school graduates got residencies when he went to med school. See why medicine is a good bet, and law isn't? Not too tough, huh?

    So, I ain't letting go either, kid. Join the crowd. You got company.

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  103. Anonymous at 6;17 and 6:50
    Ignore Nando (I might), but read Ron Coleman's article from the October 1995 issue of the Student Lawyer, "Go Home", precisely articulating the reality. Or don't. It matters little in the grand scheme of things.

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  104. That's right. You cannot win because: "They will continue to enroll in law school."

    I love it that thousands upon thousands are enrolling. I love going to top-law-schools and see everyone enjoying law school and being so wrapped up in it. I go there daily and post. I love it!

    You call schools that you have no idea about a commode. NYLS. Crooklyn, Carbozo. They are cute little names, and you feel pretty dang proud that you can use them. Heck, you may have made them up. I doubt it though, nothing on this blog is original. Nothing here is fresh. It's all redone and you all know it! Jessica Alba this. Jessica Alba that. I hit a nerve last night with my post.

    "Ban him Nando! Ban him good"

    LMAO. Yes, ban me because I don't agree. That's one way to show credibility. Ban me because you don't want to read a differing opinion. No wonder you hated law school. You all were freaking out reading Hawkins v. McGee because you disagreed with the judge. When you read Palsgraf you were in tears begging the teacher to think Cardozo was wrong like you did. HA! You got POWERPWND in law school and you are taking it out on the world, through some stupid blog. Whine on children. WHINE ON!

    You all can't win. You can say mean things, but people are going to still try. You all try to break the human spirit and push for mediocrity, but some people are much smarter than that. You call it stupid, but that's because you're all washed up.

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  105. http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=96.236.117.53

    Sucking up to a powerful industry is not original, cockroach. Being a ball-less shill shows a lack of honesty and integrity. Continuously spewing the same nonsensical “arguments” indicates mental illness - and a complete break from reality. Everyone here knows that you are obsessed with this blog, loser.

    If you knew how to read, you would see that each post features different financial data - based on IRS documents. Each entry is based on information pertaining to an individual “institution of higher education.” The formula is pretty simple, which is why these blogs have been so successful in spreading the word. I know that hurts your feelings. Get over it, sperm receptacle.

    According to your statements, moron, you attend a fourth tier piece of trash in Springfield, MA known as Western New England College Sewer of Law. You also claim to be working at an unpaid internship, despite (allegedly) ranking in the top 18 percent of your TTTT class. (By the way, repeating “Top 18%” makes you look pathetic, douche bag.) You mentioned that you earned a 3.2 from a Jesuit undergrad school, while majoring in the social science known as Economics. You are not earning a paycheck. You have little in the way of life experience. By your own account, you have merely completed your first year of law school. Simply put, you have NO STANDING to offer advice on the state of the legal job market.

    Why don’t you grow some hair on your little balls BEFORE coming onto a site that is based on cold, hard facts?!?! This might help your credibility, bitch.

    The bottom line is this: you recognize that law school is a poor decision for most students. Those who have STRONG business, political, or family connections do not play by the same rules, cretin. They can attend third tier dives and fourth tier trash cans, and still do well for themselves. Look at Andrew Cuomo, the current governor of New York. He attend Albany Law School. He also married into the Kennedy political family. On top of this, his father - some guy named Mario Cuomo - was one of the best-known and most beloved governors of New York. Do you think he ended up in the governor’s mansion because of his lackluster law degree, or because of those connections?!?! (I imagine that even a blithering moron such as you can figure this one out.)

    At 1:38 pm yesterday, you wrote that the following:

    “The New York Times is a money making newspaper. They publish what people will read. They won't publish something that says "the law schools are ok, tarry forth[.]"

    The New York Times is a jewel among the corporate media. Law schools have plenty of advertising money to throw around, bitch. If you don’t think that editors and publishers at major newspapers take this into account, then you truly are dumber than single-celled Paramecium. The fact that the NYT is publishing these critical articles is very telling. (Too bad, your IQ does not permit you to understand this reality, you piece of garbage.)

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  106. At 1:59 pm, as the douche you are, you congratulated a man who lost his Biglaw job - and has apparently spent the last 6 years in doc review. To wit:

    “The World Traveling Law Student said...

    Congrats 1:53. See guys, it's not all bad. He has a job. So much complaining though. It's so sad. Enjoy what you have. Death will follow and then you'll have nothing.

    July 16, 2011 1:59 PM”

    Readers do not want to read your mindless drivel, on this blog, you waste of sperm and egg. Do you understand that?! Perhaps as educated people, they have a low tolerance for blatant ignorance, pathological dishonesty and willful stupidity.

    You have summed up your entire purpose, in your last post:

    “I love it that thousands upon thousands are enrolling. I love going to top-law-schools and see everyone enjoying law school and being so wrapped up in it. I go there daily and post. I love it!”

    You love that law schools are producing FAR TOO MANY graduates, for the amount of available attorney and law-related positions?!?! You truly are mentally ill. By the way, get a life, ass-clown.

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  107. "Why don’t you grow some hair on your little balls BEFORE coming onto a site that is based on cold, hard facts?!?! This might help your credibility, bitch."

    Actually, this is really none of your business. But I shave them.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  108. http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/549r/

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  109. ^

    Nando,

    Just ban this motherfucking piece of shit. The discussion used to revolve around relevant issues. Now it revolves around this degenerate. His purpose is to destroy this blog and he is well on his way to do so. Ban the shyster, do not waste your time on rebuttal of his drivel.

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  110. He can't ban me. His credibility would be destroyed. Shattered. Blasted to smithereens. Nando could ban me, but he would have to either post his GPA or his rank along side of the ban, or his blog would lose all credibility. We all know he will never post his rank. In fact, if he did I might just leave. But he can't, because he knows being in the bottom 25%-50% would prove why his law school experience was like it was. Now if he was on the top 30% or so there would be no third tier reality. You can tell how angry he gets when he mentions my top 18%, which, to be honest, I was very angry about being that low in rank.

    It may indeed be my purpose to destroy this blog, but I realize you are all helping me and destroying it yourselves. Each time Nando posts about a new school (what will it be next, Rutgers-Newark?) he damages his credibility. You have no idea about half these schools. Hell, you don't even know about Cooley. Nando lost all credibility when he started acting like every school was 'just like Drake'. He only knows about Drake. Post what you know about. Don't guess about the rest.

    "Furthermore, Marquette asserts that the overall average starting salary was $62,703 - with a median initial salary of $54,250. The school provides the following: “Salary information was reported for 61.7% of all employed members of the graduating class.” When Marquette JDs who are now selling insurance or working the ticket booth at Miller Park choose not to furnish their dismal salaries to the school, it helps the commode."

    How is this information any different than what the school states itself? I would probably not state my income either, because I'd be too busy with work, too busy doing my world traveling, or misplace the letter/survey. Many people are horrible about sending things back, that's why there's not a 100% response. Nando's only guessing it's because people are too embarrassed to state their income.

    Furthermore, I don't think this blog applies if you are in the top 50% of the class. I think the people who don't answer the survey are the ones who are doing extremely well and don't have the time to.

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  111. You're the one doing the guessing. You've got no statistics, no supporting references, nothing. It's you and the law schools, against everyone else.

    Which is exactly as it should be. Frankly, you're a great foil, a great asset, for this blog.

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  112. No, I'm actually proof to people who come here that not everyone buys into these asinine conspiracy theories.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  113. Hey Nando what's up man. Check out my new post regarding Mata$ar

    http://daisnaid9.blogspot.com/2011/07/more-bad-publicity-for-law-school-scam.html

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  114. Nando has stated that he doesn't allow promoting of blogs on his blog. (Let's see if he follows his own rules, shall we? There's credibility on the line.) Also: I wish the ABA would shut down all of these lies. Scandalous lies!

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  115. I thought Nando was very clear when he said he wasn't going to allow WTLS, and WTLS alone, to promote his retarded blog.

    But don't feel bad, WTLS. Your blog does something special that is important in this world as well. Your blog lets the Cooley grads know that they are not the most retarded lawyers in the profession. Every time a Cooley grad feels down, he can log onto your Website and feel better about himself, knowing there is somebody out there more retarded than him.

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  116. "Scandalous lies!

    The World Traveling Law Student

    July 17, 2011 11:04 AM"

    Kid, you really gotta see someone about your continued need to be here on this blog. You really do. You will be beter off. If you are happy with your choices, be that, and move on. But you are NOT going to get us who have been through the "System" to agree with you.

    It isn't happening.

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  117. Guys, I think we have to start treating WTLS like the retard he truly is instead of giving him the benefit of the doubt. And in my limited experience in dealing with retards, I know you're not supposed to insult them for being dumb.

    You don't reason with retards either, and you don't take them seriously. But you should engage them and compliment them when they achieve something, no matter how insignificant.

    For example, when a retard doesn't shit his pants, you tell him that he did a good job and that his parents are proud of him and that he should be proud of himself too.

    Let's try it.

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  118. So WTLS, I understand you're a 1L. Man, that's amazing! I bet you're working really hard and learning a lot too.

    How did you get into law school? It must have been really hard? How much did you study on your LSAT?

    What do you want to do when you get out of law school? Tell me about what kind of law you want to pursue.

    Are you thinking about becoming a Supreme Court Justice later?

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  119. I got a 153 on the LSAT. I didn't really study, and to be honest, I wish I would have. I consider it a huge mistake that I didn't study hard and get a higher score. I know I could have, but I figured if I got a 153 and retook the test, they would still see my 153 and it would hurt. Stupid, I know.

    I am not considering becoming a Supreme Court Justice. A lot of people ask me if I would like to be a judge. I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. Right now I am working on doing my best in law school and reeling in the big grades and high rank.

    I am actually working on 2 internships. I got one at the courthouse last week. I know some may not believe me, but I have no reason to lie on here. It's just a non-paid one, but I am taking everything I can get. Both are really open, which is nice. It gives me some time to come on here and mess with you, ride my bike and exercise, play some World of Warcraft, make love to my wife, play with my pets, write a bit, research, plan on my upcoming transfer. That's one thing I am really good with, time management. I think it helps me a lot, and will help me when I enter the workforce.

    I would like to work in a corporation or in a firm dealing with contract law. I am actually going to specialize in a lot of that kind of thing in my last couple of years. I plan on taking the hardest classes that will be on the bar. I take law school pretty seriously and don't plan on taking any fluffer classes.

    The World Traveling Law Student

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  120. Wow, that's incredible. I didn't know it was possible to do two internships.

    I'm impressed. I'm even more impressed that you play World of Warcraft, that is a hard game to learn.

    What law firms or companies are you going to apply to when you're a 2L?

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  121. I am going to blanket apply everything in NYC that would fit my credentials. Maybe Skadden.

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  122. By 'wife', I meant mother. But you already knew that.

    You see I ate my mother's pussy after I got my first year grades back. (Back in August she told me she'd let me munch on her carpet if I made top 1/4 of the class.) Yes, she being the bitch whore she is let ten random dudes gizz all over her face and vageegee first. But I don't care. She would've let me ram her in the pussy from behind if I had made top 10%.

    But I fucked that up. I was in the top 5% of my class after first semester. But then I listened to Nando, and didn't take second semester as serious. Thanks for ruining that for me.

    The World Traveling Law Student | 18th percentile excellence | BA Economics 2010 | JD expected 2013
    "Hankering for mom's pussy since birth."

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  123. Hey, world traveling piece of shit,

    You said you has been married for ten years. How did you manage to do that if you just graduated from your undergrad? Was your older brother her husband before and until you could have your first erection? Also, do you fuck your mom and your wife at the same time or separately and individually? You could drill them together - economies of scale, you know.


    You are one incredible piece of useless shit.

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  124. I was married young, but didn't make much money and struggled a lot financially through school. It took me a while to get done with it all taking a couple breaks. I worked in fast food some during school. Law school is by far much better than the hell that was. Far much better. Of course, you'd say "stay in fast food and become a manager". No way, those people were owned by the company and still just flipping burgers. Good money isn't worth that to me.

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  125. And I presume your 'wife' will work the streets and strip pole to pay back your non-dischargeable debt,correct?

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  126. You are married ten years but still act like a juvenile? (e.g. AMEN!!! AMEN!!!!, e.g. You got served!!)

    Get the fuck outta here, you lying cocksucker. To everyone else, you are giving this guy too much credit. I don't think WTLS has ever been close to getting some pussy.

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  127. You all have proven to me once again that you have no idea what you are talking about. Calling a person's wife such things shows no class. It is your way of arguing your point. It reeks of desperation and shows that you have no valid points to get across.

    People have told me all my life what I could and could not do. I have, however, done what I wanted and have done well with it. Like I said before, I am the first in my family to go to college, not to mention graduate school. I left a small town right after graduation and lived in cities that people from my town only dreamed of being in. I have been to locations in the world where my friends told me I was silly to even imagine going to when I was young. I don't listen to others, and either do the brightest individuals in the world. This is what sets me apart from the rest of the people. You all could do that, but you are too busy blaming others. Well, have fun blaming your lives away. You are all right about one thing, being here is a waste of time. It was fun for a while, because you all get so very riled up. I have never seen kids get so angry so quickly. Well, most of you showed your true colors quickly, talking about my mother and wife and things that I would never stoop to do.

    You'd all be wise to learn to think before you speak. You'd be wise to do something with your lives instead of wasting it here. The time with my internships, with my spouse, and with my world travels and transfer to NYC are far more important than this. I hold no ill will towards any of you though. Nando, keep preaching. I had fun with this, and I admit, I agreed with you on some of the things all along. Give your wife a hug for me, and pray that you relationship with her lasts through this angst.

    And for the rest of you who are married. I'd be careful showing such hate towards the law schools and the debt. You better pray to whatever you believe in you don't end up like jdpainterguy. I know I won't. I KNOW BEYOND ANY DOUBT WHAT-SO-EVER that I will be a GRAND success.

    ...and, I won't be back here to read your comments. I promise that.

    The World Traveling Law Student | Enduring Success Forever

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  128. wahh wahh wahh no one will support me in my pipe dream! wahh wahh wahh no one believes my blow up doll is my real wife! wahhh i thought convincing realists that theyre wrong would somehow make my bleak future as a lawyer with nondischargeable debt brighter, but now I have to face reality hat i'll most likely be back flipping burgers! wahhh!

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  129. Below is something WTLS posted in a previous thread:

    Also, although you refuse to believe this, a JD is very versatile; it opens doors in government agencies such as the FBI, CIA, and Homeland Security.

    This is one of the sad fantasies that law school lemmings use to keep themselves going through law school - that a JD opens lots of doors in the federal government. Granted, I am not the wellspring of information that WTLS is. I have a JD, took and passed the bar, became licensed and currently work for one of the agencies that WTLS mentioned. I have gone through the application process for many federal jobs, been interviewed, done the background checks, been polygraphed, and actually been hired.

    All the JD does for you is makes you minimally qualified to apply for jobs at the GS-9 level and below, so long as there is no specific experience requirement. The idea that a 4th tier JD opens up the FBI as a real option is a fantasy. Having a law degree is one of the FBI's critical skills that allows an individual to apply. The thing is, JDs are a dime a dozen. The FBI has thousands of applicants with impressive backgrounds (military leadership, extensive experience in accounting and business, fluency in multiple languages, law enforcement experience). Having a 4th tier JD will not set you apart.

    The same goes for other government agencies. You may have noticed that private law hiring isn't exactly strong right now. Many unemployed and underemployed attorneys who have actually practiced apply for federal job openings. The competition for these jobs is stiff and the hiring process is not exactly quick or transparent. Some federal job applicants apply and wait for one or two years to be hired.

    I don't expect that this will matter to WTLS. I am sure that he will have some glib remark to dismiss what I have said here. To anyone else who justifies pursuit of a JD based upon the idea that a federal job will await them at the end of law school, I can only encourage you to familiarize yourself with how federal hiring actually works, and to understand that federal jobs are difficult to get.

    Also, Mr WTLS, I hope you realize that what you post on the internet will follow you in the future. You never know which potential employer might find your blog and your repeat postings here. I can only tell you that what you post here and on your blog does not speak well for your maturity or your psychological stability. I can't imagine that much of anyone who sees what you write on the internet will want to work with you. You come across as a creepy, petulant weirdo.

    Again, I only have job experience and life experience to draw from. I am sure I don't know as much about the world as WTLS does.

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  130. Listen you, world traveling cocksucker,

    I thought you were a lawyer making $160K on the East coast and a law professor on the West coast. I do recall that you claimed in the past to be many things. Now you claim you are a married 1L.

    One thing is for sure - you are a useless piece of shit. Fuck off.

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  131. On the immaturity of WTLS:

    Maybe he is a Mormon? This is no insult to LDS faith, but some of their members act like 14-year-olds the minute they leave home because they have been living under pressure from day one. Just a thought.

    Mental illness? I can't judge, not being a psychiatrist/psychologist/therapist. Maybe.

    My preferred theory about WTLS is that he/she/it/they is/are a troll or a legion of trolls either doing this to fuck with a site they dislike, OR they are PAID AGENT(S) of one of the law schools or the ABA itself, or a rogue working for a law school or the ABA. He/She/It/They might really believe the crap they write, or they think that the "stables must be cleaned" and the broken reputation of the legal profession can be fixed by spamming the scamblogs to death. It's all a load.

    So there we are: either WTLS is a paid liar, mentally unbalanced, or a childish relious fanatic - I'm sure there are other possibilities, but in any case, ban the little twerp(s) Nando.

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  132. My best guess is the guy saying he's at WNEC community college of law is not even a law student. A 0L maybe. Look at the undying optimism and mindset.

    Someone mentions they're in doc review for years after losing a biglaw gig. How does asshole respond? He basically says 'Look. He's got a job. Everything's good. Quit crying.'

    If this kid was in law school and slaving away for free in an internship, he would shut up and listen to guys like that. Even if he thinks Nando is venomous (I do too but I enjoy when he attacks), WNEC should stop and consider that a former biglaw associate had excellent grades or very good connections. Either wbiay, he is now on the outs and working as a doc reviewer.

    The former biglaw guy also went to law school abtout a decade ago. He, I assume, did not attend a fourth tier shithouse like WNEC. It should then enter his brain that he will have a much harder time finding a law job.

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  133. Isn't it obvious to anyone else reading this blog that the so-called "world traveling law student" is a troll? I mean really people ... he's fucking with you. He's a clown.

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  134. Agreed. WTLS is obviously all about attracting attention to himself.

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  135. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel offers another story on MarqueTTe Univer$iTTy’s new $85 million law building:

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/102266629.html

    “Many of America's law schools have a similar problem: Stately, older facilities meant to symbolize the tradition of teaching are showing their age as universities try to pack more faculty, staff and technology into places that didn't account for them.

    Thanks in part to a gift from alumni Ray and Kay Eckstein, Marquette no longer has that problem. Marquette's $85 million building is being dedicated Wednesday, filled with a high-tech library, a moot court and broadcast facilities that some television stations would covet. That means a school like Marquette can get a jump in the competition for students and faculty who want the star power a modern building can provide.”

    The school is still a second tier sewage pit. Imagine how many students that $85 million would have helped. Sure, the schools will argue that they need more space and state of the art facilities. The fact remains that law libraries are going digital. Simply put, you do not need a monolithic structure to house North Western Reporter editions from 1921.

    http://marquette.lawschoolnumbers.com/

    According to Law School Numbers, full-time tuition at Marquette University Law Sewer stood at $27,750 - for the 2006-2007 school year.

    http://law.marquette.edu/cgi-bin/site.pl?prospective/tuition

    A full-time law student at MarqueTTe Univer$iTTy will pay $37,570 in tuition, for the upcoming 2011-2012 school year. In the span of 6 school years, full-time tuition has increased by $9,820. This represents an increase of 38.4 percent. The job market has become more glutted, over this time.

    By the way, shouldn’t increases in technology lead to lower costs?!?! When you visit your dentist or doctor, you will notice advanced machinery in the office or clinic. Anyone with an IQ above 80 understands that dentists and physicians purchase such equipment because it allows them to cut their overhead costs. Initially, the machines cost the office large sums. However, often there is less need to hire additional staff.

    Law schools are relying more on adjunct “professors.” Furthermore, there is no need to house 300,000 hard-bound volumes in a cavernous library. In fact, law libraries require online subscriptions to meet the needs of future lawyers. There is no sense in building massive libraries. Unless, of course, your law school is a diploma mill that is hoping to increase its US “News” & World Report ranking.

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  136. http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8359/abbbb.jpg

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  137. I feel that this blog has cruelly neglected lower-Tier One schools, which are filthy scams as well. The top 10 percent may snag big law jobs or federal clerkships. However, the rest are probably worse off than they would have been as grads of many Tier 2s, 3s, or 4s, which are more likely to offer scholarship money and even provide a smattering of clinical training along with the pseudo-Socratic horseshit.

    Here is an interesting tidbit about the scammers at W&L, my very own lower-Tier One alma mater toilet. In order to report 94 percent employment, they pay their unemployed grads-- 51 in 2010, and 60 in 2011 out of about 115 new JDs-- a "modest stipend"(i.e. a few hundred bucks every three months for nine months) to volunteer somewhere. This they call a "fellowship." They then count those persons as being employed "for job placement reporting purposes."

    http://law.wlu.edu/admissions/page.asp?pageid=1158&openpanel=0#1

    ("For job placement reporting purposes, students in the program are included in our employed at graduation and at nine months data.")

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  138. Indeed. And that is so much the very point of the law school scamblogs: it's about the RISK of law school.

    Law schools, particularly lower-tiered law schools, produce rather high casualties. THERE IS NO OTHER PROFESSION, at least that I am aware of, that tolerates, in fact, actively encourages, a system whereby 50, 70, maybe even 90 percent of a given graduating class is thrown in the trash.

    Wanna go to law school? No one is stopping you. By all means. But the scamblogs have at least accentuated and brought to the fore the very real risks, and in some cases, the very lives ruined, by these "schools" and by this "profession."

    Why is it unconscionable what these "schools" do? Because these kids go in thinking they will learn how to practice law, that's why. And these fucking schools don't do that. You come out of them not knowing how to do shit.

    That latter term I have a bit of an issue with, because real professions regulate themselves. And this one does not.

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  139. This thread started with a poster discussing the definition of insanity as demonstrated by people attending law school despite its obvious risks, and statistical realities. However, the scamblogs, as they're coined, do the exact same thing: they repeat over and over the same stuff, illustrating the same point over and over again. There have been plenty of articles written about the economics of law school. There's nothing new being mentioned--market is saturated, schools with low reputations continue to exist and their demand, while defying rationale, enables them to increase their tuition. I think people get the picture. Lack of information is not the problem. It must go beyond that. And I wouldn't be shocked if most of the people commenting on these threads either had a negative law school experience, dropped out, or did not go altogether.

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  140. "And I wouldn't be shocked if most of the people commenting on these threads either had a negative law school experience, dropped out, or did not go altogether.

    July 20, 2011 5:49 PM"

    And, your point sir is what, exactly?

    That those who have had a negative experience with the law school industrial complex shouldn't tell their tale, because it has all happened before?

    Newspapers, television, radio--they shouldn't report murders, accidents, assaults---that shit has happened and happens all the time. We all know the risks by now, don't we, of life? So why report any of this stuff. It happens each and every day.

    You're damn right a lot of the people posting here had a bad experience with the "legal education process" because it is largely a fucking scam. And, I think the blogs are doing nothing short of The Lord's Work in pounding that lesson in to unsuspecting lemmings, time and time again, who continue to go to these fucking scam academies for lack of knowing what to do with their useless BA's.

    Kids continue to "default" into law school in a vain attempt to repair a useless undergrad degree, and the more the scamblogs shout out to them in order to prevent that, the better.

    If even one lemming can be saved from a lifetime of debt servitude and living in his parents' basement as a result of attending one of these expensive shit-piles, so be it.

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  141. July 15th @12:11 knows how to argue like an adult. I would agree that distorting the numbers is fraudulent, but unlike others here, I won't say that the numbers contribute so much to a student's decisions to go to law school as to warrant drawing parallels with the examples you gave. Many considerations go into the law school decision. Not JUST job numbers. But your points are well taken. And I don't think scambloggers are bad per se, or shouldn't do what they're doing. Hell, people rant about all kinds of stuff, so I see nothing wrong with it. I just think Nando isn't very good at it and takes an approach that makes one question whether he really even finished high school to begin with.

    Oh and Nando, you know how I praised the BDSL writer, and mentioned that he was a class act? Well way to prove why you ARE NOT him by going all ad hominem (you know, like I said earlier) and rambling like a frat boy getting beat in call of duty. It's too bad that during that phone call you had with him and are so proud of, you didn't learn how to effectively portray a point. My give a shit about this blog, and you, has reached its limit though. I just wondered if you'd ever gotten around to breezing over what I'd written awhile back. I can see you did, and much butthurt was had. It's okay little fella. I'll leave you to your ranting and fecalphilia. Gotta fight that "good fight" right?

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  142. Hello, Troy Cockroach.

    It must be tough to realize that you are a poor, stupid, inbred piece of waste. You are welcome for the beatdown, by the way. It is funny to hear someone use the term "butthurt." That is called projection, moron. Just because your Uncle Cletus pounded you from behind does not mean that everyone experienced this type of abuse, ass-clown.

    By the way, ball-licker, can you provide a cogent argument as to why law school is a wise decision for most students?! The floor is yours, bitch. Everyone here knows that you don't have the balls, the brains, or the backbone to back up your "claims" with any facts.

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  143. don't worry about this guy from Troy. He's from a shithole of a state. Here's a quick history lesson for the white nigger.

    Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat to some asshole in Montgomery, Ala. in 1955. In December of that year, you saw blacks engage in the bus boycotts. Some Alabama shitlings bombed MLK's home. They did the same to other civil rights leaders.

    The piece of shit state of Alabama then shut down the local NAACP.

    In 1956, the shitty-ass state of Alabama then gerrymandered voting districts to effect black voters in Tuskegee.

    Black students at Alabama State U. then sat in and ordered food from the cafe in the state capitol building. The students were expelled by gutless white men.

    In May 1961, 200 white assholes attacked the buses (Freedom Riders) with pipes and bats.

    Don't forget the Good Friday March.

    Black leaders tried ti desegregate Birmingham. Eugene "Bullshit" Connor sent out cops and police dogs (German shepherds) to harrass the protestors. I guess crazy Alabama shit stains think it's okay to spray black people down with fire hydrants and to sic police dogs on children. And MLK was arrested for civil disobedience. Imagine that.

    One last one for the guy in Troy. Two black students attempted to enroll at the Univ. of Alabama in June 1963. Governor and racist agitator George Wallace (I'm glad this asshole got shot and paralyzed later on) then stood on the front steps and said "Segregation forever."

    Are you still proud of your little shithole of a state?

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  144. My point is, is that it also serves as an outlet for people to vent and commiserate. That should have been pretty fricking obvious. So before you go and talk to me like a moron, take a closer look at the context in which I say things. Murders and accidents aren't really comparable to someone going to law school yet having their expectations unfulfilled in the end. I'd say it's more comparable to doing real estate or something.

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  145. Murders and accidents happen all the time, but to people who do not necessarily put themselves in a position to be in them. An accident is an unpredictable event--going to law school and not be able to find employment, not so much. If a person knows exactly the conditions in which they will likely fall prey to something, yet this information is continuously regurgitated, then I don't see the difference between that, and going to law school with the information of its strong potential to backfire.

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  146. “A good rule of thumb is that your total education debt SHOULD BE LESS THAN your DREAM starting salary. If you borrow more than twice your dream starting salary you will find it extremely interesting to repay the debt.” [Emphasis mine]"

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  147. July 29, 2011 1:23 PM:

    I think that is a very good rule of thumb.

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  148. Dear Marquette University Alumni Office,
    First you had the debacle of renaming the mascot the "Gold" then you showed your true callousness with breaking an employment contract of lesbian activist Jodi O'Brien. .Now, your police chief admits that the existing MU reporting policy on crime is illegal - ever hear of the Cleary Act? Then there are the sexual assaults by the bball team that was covered up.

    I graduated from Marquette and received an MBA and over the past decade and a half have been a loyal supporter of Marquette, have volunteered at your events, and have donated thousands of dollars to support your mission. But no more as you have shown that your organization is inept and possibly even criminal.

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  149. Lmao, this site is so pathetic.

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  150. To the piece of trash who posted at 7:37 pm,

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    This blog has close to 3 million visitors, Bitch. It has also been featured in the New York Times, on page 1 of the Business Section, Sunday edition.

    On January 8, 2011, journalist David Segal wrote a brilliant piece entitled "Is Law School a Losing Game?" Read this excerpt, waterhead:

    "There were fewer complaints about fudging and subsidizing when legal jobs were plentiful. But student loans have always been the financial equivalent of chronic illnesses because there is no legal way to shake them. So the glut of diplomas, the dearth of jobs and those candy-coated employment statistics have now yielded a crop of furious young lawyers who say they mortgaged their future under false pretenses. You can sample their rage, and their admonitions, on what are known as law school scam blogs, with names like Shilling Me Softly, Subprime JD and Rose Colored Glasses.

    “Avoid this overpriced sewer pit as if your life depended on it,” writes the anonymous author of the blog Third Tier Reality — a reference to the second-to-bottom tier of the U.S. News rankings — in a typically scatological review. “Unless, of course, you think that you will be better off with $110k-$190k in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a degree that qualifies you to wait tables at the Battery Park Bar and Lounge.”

    When is the last time YOUR work was recognized by the New York Times?!?! Get a life, cockroach.

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