Friday, September 23, 2011

Fourth Tier Toxic Waste: Duquesne University School of Law


In February 2010, I featured several of the Pennsylvania toilets, on this blog. At that time, I overlooked this festering waste pile. Kenneth Gormley actually brought this dung heap to my attention, when he wrote this September 16, 2011 op-ed in the PiTTTTsburgh PosTTTT GazeTTTTTe. Thank you for your dishonesty, Kenneth. Here is one excerpt:

“Much of the problem goes back to the notoriously misleading U.S. News and World Report surveys. These "special edition" publications are born of a desire to sell magazines. (The print version of U.S. News went out of business due to financial woes, yet the money-making "best of" editions still flourish).”

However, Gormley was thrilled when his trash pit receive a high specialty ranking, from the publication:

http://www.duq.edu/law/usnews-2011.cfm

“For the fourth consecutive year, the School of Law’s Legal Research and Writing Program was ranked as one of the best in the nation, according to U.S. News and World Report.

“It is a great honor for the school to receive this sort of national recognition in an area that is truly at the core of legal education,” said Dean Ken Gormley.”
[Emphasis mine]

This is blatant hypocrisy. According to Gormley, the USN&WR rankings are misleading - UNTIL they somehow benefit your particular diploma mill.

http://www.duq.edu/law/admissions/tuition.cfm

Tuition: Full-time tuition at Duquesne University Sewer of Law - for the 2011-2012 school year - amounts to $33,064. The pigs simply could not pass up one last chance to financially screw their students, over a coffee table. As you can see, the commode charges them a $150.00 graduation fee. This must be one last “investment” in their future, huh?!?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+7

Ranking: At this price, this school must have one hell of a reputation, in the legal and academic communities. If you believe that, then please skip over the rest of this paragraph. US News” & World Report ranks Duquesne University as a fourth tier pile of rotten feces. If you graduate from this dung heap, then be prepared for potential employers to wipe their asses with your TTTT law degree.

http://www.duq.edu/law/career-services/student/index.cfm

Starting Salary Figures: For $ome rea$on, the school's Career Services Office does not even list employment placement or starting salary info, for their recent graduates. I suppose that the school is too embarrassed to list the big-ass starting salaries, of its recent graduates, right?!?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+5

Average Law Student Indebtedness: USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those unfortunate souls from the Duquesne JDs from the Class of 2010, who incurred such debt - as $88,908. Fully 83 percent of this commode’s 2010 graduating class took on such toxic debt, for a TTTT law degree. By the way, this figure does not take undergrad debt, into account.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2010/251/035/2010-251035663-07354f2d-9.pdf

Faculty and Administrator Pay: In contrast to their debt-strapped students, let‘s see how well the faculty is doing. Page 15 of Duquesne University of the Holy Spirit’s 2010 IRS Form 990 shows that Dean Kenneth Gormley raked in $306,986, in TOTAL COMPENSATION - for the 2009 calendar year. Yes, this pig received $239,024, in reportable compensation from the organization - plus $67,962 in “estimated amount of other compensation from the organization and related organizations.”

He is not the only “educator” to financially thrive, by sucking on the federal teat. Nicholas Cafardi, “Dean Emeritus and Professor of Law/Joseph Katarincic Chair in Legal Process and Civil Procedure,” made $233,983 in TOTAL COMPENSATION - for 2009. While “allegedly” working 55 hours per week, Cafardi “earned” $202,327 in reportable compensation from the organization - in addition to $67,962 in “estimated amount of other compensation from the organization and related organizations.” See how well “higher education” pays off?!?!

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/11/will-you-help-clothe-a-law-student/

“Law students are struggling to find jobs; this we know. But what I didn’t know until this very day was that law students are also struggling to find the basic professional necessities. Like clothes. That’s right, clothing drives are not just for homeless people and impoverished third-world children. Not anymore.

The good people at Duquesne University School of Law are putting together a clothing drive to help out their first year law students get the professional clothing they need for interview season. Don’t worry, it’s not too late to give your used clothing to distressed 1Ls in need of assistance…”
[Emphasis mine]

Conclusion: Duquesne University Sewer of Law is an overpriced, overflowing septic tank. The diploma mill is competing against 7 other law schools, in Pennsylvania. Lastly, if you want to “serve others” - which appears to be the toilet’s tagline - you simply DO NOT NEED to incur an additional $90K-$130K in NON-DISHARGEABLE debt. We can see that this Catholic waste pile is accepting students who cannot afford suits and professional clothing. (Then again, you don’t need to wear a suit, when you fill out your McDonald’s application.) The school is taking in such students - and yet still charges them $33,064 in annual tuition!! That is reprehensible conduct, and CLEARLY does not fall under the concept of “Christian behavior.”

53 comments:

  1. This picture is CLASSY. Love you Nando.

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  2. 91 Duquesne Law Grad here

    When I graduated the CSO was run by a former Kindergarten teacher who was the niece of the Dean. Current CSO is a classmate who went to the Peace Corps and to my knowledge never practiced law. The tragedy is that some of the top trial attorneys in PA have graduated from Duquesne yet the school doesn't even know how to leverage that fact into helping it. When I attended the school it was the cheapest of the private schools in PA. If you are absolutely convinced that you want to practice law and can't get into Pitt or Temple then its not a bad alternative. Although I don't know why anyone who understands the actual income earning potential in small law in conjunction with the stress level that exists still has a burning desire to practice law.

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  3. 2010 grad here.

    In response to the 91 grad, things went progressively down hill. The school had a former Navy JAG (as in, THE top JAG officer) as the dean, but the university fired him. During finals week. And it has gone downhill since. The school also has John E. Murray, Jr., a contracts guru, but can't even use that to help increase prestige. Place is TTTT for a reason (though was TTT when I applied in 2007).

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  4. Nando,

    Loyola Law School just published a "ranking" claiming that they are the most productive tax law faculty in terms of new scholarship. Here is the link: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2011/09/ssrn-graduate.html

    This, unfortunately is another example of Loyola Law School being Loyola Law School, and it upset me so much that I thought I would send it to you and suggest that you do a piece covering Loyola's Tax LLM program.

    Let me explain. Here are two links. The first shows the SSRN papers published by a Loyola tax professor, Ted Seto: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=269683 Let's contrast them with the papers published by an NYU tax law academic, Professor Shaviro, whose SSRN papers you can find here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=50283 I picked NYU because it's widely thought to be the nation's best tax law program.

    Professor Shaviro writes dozens of articles on tax law, each of which get about 250 downloads and one or two citations. They do not receive many downloads because few people want to read tax law articles, but the point is that his is legitimate tax law scholarship. Prof. Seto writes about the US News Rankings, law school job placement and how to choose a Tax LLM program. These three of Prof. Seto's papers received more downloads than all 38 of Prof. Shaviro's papers combined. However, these papers have nothing to do with tax law. Prof. Seto's downloads come by way of publishing in topics that interests the internet crowd, and that get linked on blogs like Abovethelaw or Autoadmit or Taxprof blog. causing the paper to get thousands of downloads. However, the topics have nothing to do with tax law and they should not be used to claim that Loyola has an academically more productive tax program. The topics aren't even academic, and no one cites to them. They are subjects best reserved for a two page article in legal magazine.

    One might wonder if Prof. Seto picked these "interesting" topics precisely to gain SSRN downloads, so that he could juice his program in the ranking that he himself publishes. If that's the case then this ranking is along the lines of Cooley's rankings, and the ranking as well as Loyola's Tax LLm program should be called out.

    Signed,

    Defrauded but vigilant graduate

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  5. What in the blue hell is that on the screen??

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  6. Nando, Did you get the post I wrote about Loyola Law's Tax LLM program? it disappeared.

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  7. Here it is again. Must have been a blogspot error.

    Nando,

    Loyola Law School just published a "ranking" claiming that they are the most productive tax law faculty in terms of new scholarship. They make this determination based on the number of recent SSRN downloads. Here is the link: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2011/09/ssrn-graduate.html

    This, unfortunately is another example of Loyola Law School being Loyola Law School, and it upset me so much that I thought I would send it to you and suggest that you do a piece covering Loyola's Tax LLM program.

    Let me explain. Here are two links. The first shows the SSRN papers published by a Loyola tax professor, Ted Seto: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=269683 Let's contrast them with the papers published by an NYU tax law academic, Professor Shaviro, whose SSRN papers you can find here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=50283 I picked NYU because it's widely thought to be the nation's best tax law program.

    Professor Shaviro writes dozens of articles on tax law, each of which get about 250 downloads and one or two citations. They do not receive many downloads because few people want to read tax law articles, but the point is that his is legitimate tax law scholarship. Prof. Seto writes about the US News Rankings, law school job placement and how to choose a Tax LLM program. These three of Prof. Seto's papers received more downloads than all 38 of Prof. Shaviro's papers combined. However, these papers have nothing to do with tax law. Prof. Seto's downloads come by way of publishing in topics that interests the internet crowd, and that get linked on blogs like Abovethelaw or Autoadmit or Taxprof blog. causing the paper to get thousands of downloads. However, the topics have nothing to do with tax law and they should not be used to claim that Loyola has an academically more productive tax program. The topics aren't even academic, and no one cites to them. They are subjects best reserved for a two page article in legal magazine.

    One might wonder if Prof. Seto picked these "interesting" topics precisely to gain SSRN downloads, so that he could juice his program in the ranking that he himself publishes. If that's the case then this ranking is along the lines of Cooley's rankings, and the ranking as well as Loyola's Tax LLm program should be called out.

    Signed,

    Defrauded but vigilant graduate

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  8. I just tried to post it again but it disappeared again. Any way I hope you can read it in your spam comments folder. It probably wound up there due to its including links.

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  9. Blogger has problems if it's too long or contains two dash marks in a row. If its too long, you can break it up into two smaller comments. Links shouldn't be a problem. The html will appear but someone won't be able to click on it and go to the link. They'll have to click and drag, copy and paste. Kind of like doc review.

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  10. Let me try again, one paragraph at a time:

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    Nando,

    Loyola Law School just published a "ranking" claiming that they are the most productive tax law faculty in terms of new scholarship. They make this determination based on the number of recent SSRN downloads. Here is the link: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2011/09/ssrn-graduate.html

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  11. This, unfortunately is another example of Loyola Law School being Loyola Law School, and it upset me so much that I thought I would send it to you and suggest that you do a piece covering Loyola's Tax LLM program.

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  12. Let me explain. Here are two links. The first shows the SSRN papers published by a Loyola tax professor, Ted Seto: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=269683 Let's contrast them with the papers published by an NYU tax law academic, Professor Shaviro, whose SSRN papers you can find here: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=50283 I picked NYU because it's widely thought to be the nation's best tax law program.

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  13. Professor Shaviro writes dozens of articles on tax law, each of which get about 250 downloads and one or two citations. They do not receive many downloads because few people want to read tax law articles, but the point is that his is legitimate tax law scholarship. Prof. Seto writes about the US News Rankings, law school job placement and how to choose a Tax LLM program. These three of Prof. Seto's papers received more downloads than all 38 of Prof. Shaviro's papers combined. However, these papers have nothing to do with tax law. Prof. Seto's downloads come by way of publishing in topics that interests the internet crowd, and that get linked on blogs like Abovethelaw or Autoadmit or Taxprof blog. causing the paper to get thousands of downloads. However, the topics have nothing to do with tax law and they should not be used to claim that Loyola has an academically more productive tax program. The topics aren't even academic, and no one cites to them. They are subjects best reserved for a two page article in legal magazine.

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  14. One might wonder if Prof. Seto picked these "interesting" topics precisely to gain SSRN downloads, so that he could juice his program in the ranking that he himself publishes. If that's the case then this ranking is along the lines of Cooley's rankings, and the ranking as well as Loyola's Tax LLm program should be called out.

    Signed,

    Defrauded but vigilant graduate

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  15. OK that seemed to work.

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  16. Sweet Soviet Christ that turd looks like nut-bread dough....

    Seven law schools in Pennsylvania is seven too many.

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  17. For $33K a year in tuition, the least they could do is throw in a Hart, Schaffner, & Marx suit, or at least a credit at jos. A Bank, or JC Penney.

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  18. If yas wants'ta serve others 'n ya has yerself a law diploma from Duquesne, you's can works at one o' mah menny chickin 'stablishments.

    You can serves gravy 'n mashed taters.
    Yous can serve buckets a grilled o' 'riginal recipe chickin. Hellz yeah. Ya mights even gets lucky 'n end up servin' a local judge 'n shit. I tells ya, I's seen plenty a fatfucker cocksucker muthafucka judges in mah restaurants in mah time. How'dja think so many o' dem got to be so fuckin' fat?

    At The Mother-fuckin' Colonel's, yous can serve t' ya's heart's content. Now git yer ass in dat fuckin' kitchen 'n clean out dem fuckin' grease traps. Ya hears meh?

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  19. Such career advice might not be that far off the mark. Can't get a job as a prosecutor? Go tend bar at the local watering hole where local prosecutors go after work. Or slinging hash at the local greasy spoon where a judge might just eat breakfast.

    Sadly, this was the sort of advice I got at my law school sponsored career seminar years ago. They brought in this ding dong whering a pink blazer whose advice consisted of anecdotes about networking, like a graduate who flew to SoCal to volunteer at a charity golf tournament and managed to use it to get an interview with some big law firm. (no anecdotes about the 100 law grads who came home from SoCal hundreds of dollars poorer and still unemployed) I wrote my career services department a letter expressing anger that they wasted my tuition dollars paying for this dumb bitch who managed to find a nice gig for herself dispensing worthless advice to clueless law students.

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  20. Duquene is run by a bunch of hypocrites. They claim be be a Catholic institution, but charge an outrageous amount for a degree that is more worthless than the paper it's printed on. Would Jesus be charging 33,000 for a "legal education?" I think not. If this shit hole really wanted to serve others, they could start by cutting their tuition in half, and in turn, Ned Flanders and the shit head "professors" could have their salaries reduced by 50 percent. Obviously, Duquesne's administrators and professors don't give a flying fuck about serving anyone but themselves. Also, I wonder if any of these "educators" take on pro-bono cases. Hell, I doubt many of them are even competent enough at the practice of law to do so.

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  21. I am sorry that the Colonel has posted already. There was a reference to him in the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin, September 14, 2011, p.6. (not available online). I kid you not.

    The relevant passage, from a commentary on the ongoing legal hiring meltdown by somebody named Carrie Cope, reads as follows:

    "Having a law degree provides a valuable foundation for entrepreneurs starting their own businesses. The famous Colonel Sanders was a lawyer, as are Nina and Tim Zagat. It is not unusual for law graduates to become authors, lyricists, and musicians."

    So...has the Colonel ever acknowledged his law degree and explained how the Socratic method gave him a valuable foundation for his original recipe, to say nothing of his extra crispy and his pot pie? And do America's wannabe lyricists and musicians realize that the key to success is law school?

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  22. http://www.alllaw.com/state_resources/pennsylvania/law_schools/

    Strelnikov mentioned that seven law schools are located in the state. Actually, Pennsylvania is home to eight law schools. The link above failed to mention Widener University Sewer of Law.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widener_University_School_of_Law

    As you can see, this piece of trash law school has TWO campuses - with one located in Harrisburg, PA. Take a look at this June 27, 2011 article in New York Times:

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/the-lawyer-surplus-state-by-state/

    This chart shows that Pennsylvania is the SIXTH MOST OVERSATURATED legal job market, in the nation. Attending a fourth tier cesspool - such as Duque$ne Univer$iTTTTy Sewer of Law - is a terrible risk. In fact, it is a foolish financial decision.

    Look at these figures for Pennsylvania:

    2010-15 Est. Annual Openings: 869
    2009 Bar Exam Passers: 1,943
    2009 Completers (IPEDS): 1,697
    Surplus/Shortage: 1,074

    In short, the state is licensing - on average - an additional 1,074 TOO MANY LAWYERS, per year!! For those of you who prefer percentages, this equates to 123.6% too many attorneys - each year. This is unsustainable “growth.”

    THE LAW SCHOOLS ARE AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM. Yet, the pigs continue to accept large incoming classes. They do so, because the commodes are not on the hook - in the event of student loan defaults. The debt is federally-guaranteed. In such a sick $y$tem, the schools are encouraged to accept an excess of students. They also have PLENTY of financial incentive to pump out as many JDs as they can. In essence, the law schools are rewarded for their criminally reckless behavior.

    The schools do not need to worry about “market forces.” Furthermore, the schools do not adequately prepare their students to practice law. Instead, these bitches and hags can engage in mindless pedagogy, as well as draft meaningless law review articles. These FAILED ATTORNEYS then refer to themselves as “professors.” How many of these ass-hats have completed a PhD, where they produced original doctoral research - and defended their work in front of a critical academic committee?!?!

    Keep in mind that the overhead for law schools is very low - especially in comparison to medical and dental schools. “Legal education” does not require HUGE expenditures in lab space, medical equipment, or advances in scientific technology. There is NO valid reason for law schools to charge $30K+ in annual tuition. This is about greed. Ask Kenneth Gormley; he knows a fair deal about avarice.

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  23. With 7 law schools in Penn spitting out "lawyers" that would explain why Philly has so much do review.

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  24. This is off point, but maybe not.

    I think it is really freaking weird that Google is promoting the 75th birthday of a puppet maker--Jim Henson--that indirectly stood for primary education in the United States, starting in the late 1960's.

    Millions, if not billions of dollars have been made in the name of these Sesame Street Capitalistic, Democratic cartoon puppet images--all in the name of early education, with all royalties, residuals, and intellectual copyrights intact in perpetuity.

    But how many kids reared on Sesame Street are now driving trucks, or are drowning in Student Laon Debt for life?

    How many intelligent and angry US citizens are now drowning in a portion of the one trillion in student loan debt?

    And yet, Google, the culture peddler that it is, promotes these filthy Sesame Street puppets like they are a high point in Human understanding about Humanity after 5000 years of civilization.

    Oh Fuck, Google did the same thing with Freddie Mercury a short time ago.

    And Freddie Mercury was and still is just a big money making, copyrighted watered down street version of Classical music for the ignorant masses.

    The one wrong turn the Democratic, Capitalistic system in America did wrong, was to fuck with the law students.

    Hence the scamblogs.

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  25. I graduated from this school in '07. I ended up moving back in with my parents. My overall student debt is over $90,000. I can't date anyone. It's hard to go out when you don't have any money. So I sit at home reading books and filling out online apps. And I get to sleep in the same room I did when I was 10. Ain't I cool?

    ANyway, I've had a few doc review gigs. Which are unreliable. One assignment closed the day before I was to start. The day before(!) My Duquesne law degree is worth less than the paper it was printed on. Seriously. They print that shit on nice paper. Even Robert Half won't touch me.

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  26. Check out this piece in the Pittsburgh Business Times, from March 29, 2010:

    http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburgh/stories/2010/03/29/daily2.html

    "It is a great honor to be selected to lead Duquesne's School of Law at this important time in its history," Gormley said in a prepared statement. "As we prepare to celebrate our hundredth anniversary next year, the Law School is nicely positioned to build upon its rich tradition of training excellent, ethical, highly qualified lawyers. I am grateful for the opportunity to further contribute to and continue this legacy."

    Of course, Douche-bag Gormley said this from a prepared statement. In this country, PR-conscious ass-wipes cannot say what they really mean. By the way, Kenneth, your school is a fourth tier piece of trash. After 100 years, no less. At least, the newly-accredited diploma mills have an excuse for being “unranked.”

    Why is the school’s reputation lower than rat piss?!?!

    http://www.hallowedsecularism.org/2008/12/firing-of-don-guter.html

    “Thursday, December 11, 2008

    The Firing of Don Guter

    12/11/2008—The rest of the world is unaware that here at Duquesne University School of Law, the Dean, Don Guter, was summarily fired yesterday. No reason was given. Dean Guter did not deserve to be fired. The law school is doing very well on his watch and there is no unmentioned scandal going on. President Dougherty just wanted his own person in as dean. Guter was too independent in his judgment. This is not big news. Things like this happen all the time.

    But this is a Catholic Law School. Not only that, but we hear all the time about Duquesne’s “mission”, to serve God by serving students.”

    http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/duquesne_ousts_law_dean/

    "My reaction to this is shock. The school—really by a lot of people's accounts, not just mine—has never been in better shape," the now-former dean, Don Guter, tells the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

    A retired U.S. Navy rear admiral and judge advocate general, the 60-year-old Guter had been in the law school dean's post since Aug. 1, 2005. He says he was offered no explanation for the loss of the dean's job, and a university press release, which confirms that he is being replaced on an interim basis by constitutional law professor Ken Gormley, also does not provide any reason for the change, according to the newspaper.

    Under Guter's watch, the number of law graduates passing the bar exam rose substantially. First-time takers of the July 2008 bar had a pass rate of 97 percent, compared to 68 percent when he stepped into the dean's job, according to the Post-Gazette and the law school's website.

    But his tenure also included a dispute with the university president over whether to grant tenure, as Guter and the faculty recommended, to law professor John Rago, the newspaper notes.”

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  27. http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2010/251/035/2010-251035663-07354f2d-9.pdf

    On page 14 of Duquesne University of the Holy Spirit's 2010 Form 990, you can see that university "president" Charles J. Dougherty made $701,659 in TOTAL COMPENSATION - for the 2009 calendar year. Apparently, this "educator" feels that playing office politics is more important than the school's reputation.

    Let's take a look at this proud Catholic boy - and Duquesne's endowment:

    http://www.duq.edu/president/

    "Dougherty comes to Duquesne from Creighton University in Omaha, Neb., a Catholic university sponsored by the Jesuits. He served as academic vice president from 1995 to 2001 and as acting president of Creighton in the summer of 2000. Dougherty joined the Creighton faculty in 1975, and chaired the department of philosophy from 1981 to 1989. He also has held faculty appointments in medicine, pharmacy, dentistry and nursing, and served as the first director of the Creighton Center for Health Policy and Ethics from 1988 to 1995.

    Born in New York City on June 28, 1949, Dougherty has been educated in Catholic schools all his life, including St. Anthony's High School in Huntington, N.Y. The oldest of four children, Dougherty was the first in his family to attend college.

    Dougherty and his wife, Sandra, who recently retired as a judge on the Nebraska District Court in Douglas County, have two children: a daughter who is a Notre Dame and Georgetown University graduate working as a lawyer for Akin Gump in Washington, D.C.; and a son, a Creighton and University of Nebraska at Omaha alum who works for Lutheran Family Services in Omaha.

    Duquesne University was founded in 1878 and is located in downtown Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Duquesne has 10,000 students, 10 schools, more than 2,500 employees, an annual budget of approximately $250 million, and an endowment of more than $130 million."

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  28. Somebody, in past comments, either in this post of Nandos, or the previous one, said, in so many words, and loosely: that the Liberal Democrats are to blame insofar as corrupt, Campos Commenter type, academia goes, but that the Conservative Rush Limbaugh type Republicans are to blame with respect to Corporate greed and the screwing over of the populace.

    So, pray tell, where or what is the middle ground solution?

    Sooner or later (and probably sooner) all of us who are screwed over with massive Student Loan debt will turn into a screaming mob.

    Or maybe not.

    But can't we all admit by now that politics in America is broken? and that any hope for a political solution is just pissing in the wind?

    Yeah I know that lots of people have said that sort of thing throughout the past in America, but still....this time around,

    isn't it true?

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  29. Someone earlier mentioned Colonel Sanders. (Nice to see an appearance from the cagey colonel by the way) The thing is he didn't go to law school. He studied for it and practiced for a few years. He worked tons of different and varying jobs. He only made it big in his 60s, peddling his shit across the country. A desperate salesman. Being a lawyer didnt cost him an arm and a leg. How the fuck is that an example of a law degree servign him well in his business venture?

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  30. I haven't been on this blog in quite some time. I am glad the blog is going strong and passing on a very important message. Many people say you have to be a moron to go to law school in this economy and at the outrageous tuition rates. The bottom line is most of these kids are terrified about their futures. They cannot envision working at Lowes with a BA from a private college and with $70K in undergrad loans. Since the govt. is giving these student loans out like candy on Halloween, of course these kids will take a gamble and the bait. I went to a better ranked law school than Duquesne and decided to flee the States 2 years ago. I now teach English in a Central American country. Sallie Mae can't touch me and I am fine with the fact that I may never step foot back in the U.S. The fact is the U.S. is a shitstorm with a bad economy that has no end in sight. The politicians are taking about made up wars, Israel (who gives a fuck-sorry I am not a Jew) and ways in which your freedoms are being taking away (TSA invasive patdowns, groping breasts, balls, etc.). These law school deans are no different than used car salesmen. They lie to the ignorant youths that have signed on to a life of indentured servitude. I know because I was a victim. I am no longer a victim. I am ex-pat with a new lease on life. Keeping profiling these scumbags Nando. God bless you and the kids in law school who are being bent over but have yet to feel that 10 inch pole violently inserted into their rectums. When you graduate with all those loans with no job and the student loan grace period is over, you will feel that pole.

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  31. For some reason, every time I see the words "Duquesne University," my brain reads it as "Dunce University."

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  32. the united states is a big steaming moist pile of shitSeptember 25, 2011 at 6:27 AM

    10:17 had the right idea and acted on it. good for him.

    The country's broke. and that's a fact. We've got a national debt that is over $14 trillion. By 2015 - yes four fucking years from now - it will probably reach $24 trillion. With all the old fucks out there (and the country is graying each day) guess what's gonna happen to medicare and Social Security? student loan debt is over $900 billion. Overall consumer debt is over $10 trillion. Unfunded liabilities of the government could be $140 trillion by 2015. Want proof?

    http://usdebtclock.org/2015-current-rates.html

    Earlier someone asked: 'But can't we all admit by now that politics in America is broken? and that any hope for a political solution is just pissing in the wind?'

    This person is right on the money. you idiots are following what is going on in congress for no real purpose. Budget battles. Possible government shutdowns. rancor and bitterness from both 'sides.' get fucking real, people. The game is rigged and it always was. You've got tea partiers and conservatives demanding we cut taxes on the wealthy cocksuckers. These retards should realize that the wealthy shitbags in this fucking stupid country are making a killing. even as the rest of us suffer. We've been cutting corporate tax rates for the last 30 years. And jobs keep goign overseas. The cocksuckers took that money and sent the jobs overseas to make even more money. Jesus! how much money do these filthy fuckfaces need? Do they need another fucking Beverly Hills mansion? On the other side, you have liberals who still think education will make a difference. Which is like saying that an ugly woman who wears 4 inch heels is giong to suddenly compete with 9s and 10s. My fuckin' ass.

    So repeat after me everyone: this country is a piece of shit. And that's the bottom line.

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  33. 10:17PM here again.

    I would consider myself a smart person and I am sure most people who go to law school are smart. However, the system is a farce and we've all been conditioned to think like the poor sobs that are stuck in the allegorical cave. I read about the dozens of people who were arrested at the Wall Street protest this weekend. I even saw videos of women getting pepper sprayed, unarmed protestors getting taken down by one arm (WWE style) and young people getting arrested for "resisting arrest," which is one of the most bullshit charges because you would think the person getting arrested would be charged with the offense that initially led to the arrest, not resisting arrest itself. These aggressive police actions, coupled with the TSA invasive procedures, post 9/11 strip downs of our Bill of Rights tell me that America is being mentally conditioned for a police state. And who does the police state serve? Wall Street, the Federal Reserve (which is owned by 8 Private banks and is really not a government agency except for the fact that a small conglomerate of bankers got together on Jekyll Island in 1913 and pulled the wool over this country's eyes by saying "look, the Federal Reserve is Federal and hey, POTUS gets to select who runs it). But who runs POTUS? The same people that own the Federal Reserve. People, the government is playing hide the ball with you just like the law professors did/do during 1L classes. I said the hell with that and left the country. Maybe I am a coward but I no longer feel like I have to live in a system that lies to me (much like the Matrix) and tells me I have to choose between Obama and Rick Perry, who by the way serve the same masters. I may not live in a fancy mcmansion or have the luxury accoutrements that were once available to me but I prefer living a life in which my destiny is not decided by a greedy system in which the banks, the defense industrial complex, the educational scam, big agra/big pharma tells me how much taxes I should pay and how I should live my life. The younger generation should wake up to the realities of life rather than be obfuscated by pop culture or be fascinated with crap like "Jersey Shore" or "Dancing with the Stars."

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  34. the united states is a piece of fucking shitSeptember 25, 2011 at 9:49 AM

    ^you made the right choice, brother. The country is in turmoil. There are no solutions in place. The cocksuckers who run this place will continue to run it into the ground. why? Because they will come out on top no matter what. Fuck America. I hope this piece of shit burns to the fucking ground with the rich cocksuckers in it.

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  35. A President can only do so much.

    But, anyway, every four years we are all told by the Mainstream Media:

    Guess what? You are free. Now here are two people that have shown up, and one of them will be your President, and now you get to vote for one of them, because you are free.

    How did those two people get here, so that you can vote for one of them to be your President?

    That's a mystery.

    But, every four years, they show up anyway.
    And there they are.

    And you are still here, and so you vote.

    Can you think of anyone else that might be a better President?

    Sure!

    But your opinion ain't worth a squirt of piss, because in spite of you, and every two years, two people show up, and want to be your president.

    How did they get here?

    Fucked if I know.

    But they tell me I'm "Free" and that I get to vote...........for one........or the other.

    But just don't you mind now honey child, and just don't you think about that, because you are free, and get to vote,

    and vote for, not one of the eight criminal banks, but for a President!

    Yeah, great.

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  36. Correction, I meant above: Every four years a presidential candidate, and every two years a Congressional Candidate.

    Anyway, you are "Free" and get to vote for them.

    And as far as the Supreme Court goes, no one but no one talks about that!

    But they are here all the same. All grinning and smiling in occassional pics.

    The Phantom Court of 9, presiding over a Phantom Government of 8 bankers, that likes to place US citizens in deep debt for life.

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  37. 1017..what central american country do you teach in? So you are fine with the fact you may never sit foot in the US again? I call bs assuming you are american with the goals that came with going to law school and becoming a lawyer. You didnt say you went to law school and amassed a bunch of debt that you ran from to Central America however but lets just say you did. My guess is you just wanted to bash the USA, still the greatest country in the world.

    Until people stop wanting to come here legally or illegally,and americans are flocking to China, Russia, or some other socialist utopia, I might listen to what assholes like you might say. I understand moving to a foreign country if you in some big business venture or to see the world for a few years, but to teach in Central America with no plans of coming back because you ran up too much student loan and be ok with it? Whatever.

    No matter how bad our system may be, id pull a Barry Soetoro and steal a ss number and get a new identity and stay right here in the USA before I would do what you did over some student debt. After all, where else can you reinvent yourself, and hide your background and become the countries president all while being the citizen of another country? Hell the people dont even give a fuck he did it and you run to a shithole country to teach school over some debt? You make a lot of sense.

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  38. ^

    Shut your fucking mouth you worthless apologist piece of shit. America the best country in the world? HAHAHAHAHA.

    Are you fucking delusional you religious fruitcake? Look around you idiot, America is DEAD. Fucking DEAD.

    And idiots like YOU let it happened.

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  39. Calm down. The guy saying the USA is still the greatest country in the world has probably never set foot outside this piece of shit country. Forgive the stupid cocksuckers for they know not what they say.

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  40. 4:11PM, 10:17PM here.

    I don't need to convince you of anything. It looks like you have drank the Kool Aid and refuse to acknowledge any other type of beverage. This is the mentality of many Americans that have never set foot outside of the U.S. As far as what Central American country I am in, I will allow the author of this blog to confirm whether I am in Central America as he is proficient in looking up IP addresses.

    The U.S. used to be the best country in the world up until 25 years ago. Can't you understand that the U.S. was hijacked? Eisenhower warned people about it and Kennedy tried to abolish the Federal Reserve and we all know how that worked out for him. A cabal of criminals control this country and you elect the puppets for them. In 2008, Congress had the opportunity to address the housing crash/foreclosure mess by passing a house bill that would have allowed bankruptcy judges to adjust the principal on mortgages securing primary residences to current market value. The banking cartels TOLD the senate to reject the bill and this is what happened. Your government doesn't serve you. You are just cattle that pays taxes. I am in a country where I don't pay taxes, I live well (not affluently), have women swarming me that are 9s and 10s in the U.S., I eat natural meat, not that GMO injected processed crap that Monsanto, Cargill, Tyson Foods, etc. produces for the massess. Your government is slowing killing you and you actually believe you are "FREE?" What about the Wall Street protestors that were arrested for saying "Abolish the Federal Reserve?" Do you know that the Department of Homeland Security along with Big Sis Janet "I am Walmart's Bitch" Napolitano recently said? She believes that if you are against the Federal Reserve, you are anti-American, and therefore a possible terrorist. What happened to freedom of thought and expression? Oh 9/11 happened. A bunch of towelhead wearing fucks took down NORAD and planned the destruction of Building 7 from a fucking cave. Give me a break. But you believe that shit because you trust your government blindly. Ronald Reagan once said "Trust but verify." That's the problem with America. It believes whatever the mainstream media feeds it. Who do you think owns the mainstream media? Who owns Reuters? The same people behind the 8 banks that control the Federal Reserve. The same people who want to create a class of indentured servants so that people cannot question or uprise. Indentured servants make the best obedient drones. That is what most of you have become. Like I said, you can have your McDonalds big macs, obese women, taxes and your choice of the two puppet candidates every 4 years. I am happy where I am. I may not drive a BMW or own a beach house but I learned a long time ago that money doesn't bring you happiness but owing it only brings misery. I do have a special message for Sallie Mae: Fuck You, I dare you to send your SWAT team to the jungles where I may reside. Just like that man in California who was visited by the Sallie Mae SWAT Team over a subpoena, you too may get a rude awakening by uniformed goons that are on a powertrip. Fuck you Al Lord, I pwn you, not the other way around.

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  41. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_axiLRmHvuo

    Leighton Davis spoke at the May 15, 2011 commencement for the UC Hastings Commode of Law. Skip to the 1:30 mark, so you do not subject yourself to the monotone of Dean Frank H. Wu.

    http://www.uchastings.edu/faculty-administration/faculty/wu/index.html

    “Chancellor & Dean Frank H. Wu is the William B. Lockhart Professor of Law. The first Asian American to serve as dean at UC Hastings, Dean Wu previously taught for a decade at Howard University.” By the way, Wu wrote the following drivel, for US “News” & World Report:

    http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/applying/articles/2009/04/22/why-law-school-is-for-everyone

    “Within that context, lawyers work on everything from the most significant financial transactions to the most contentious child-custody fights. As members of a service profession, they are the essential interpreters who transform the messy stories of their clients' lives into the compelling evidence that will win juries over to their side. Perhaps the most difficult aspect of their jobs is to represent another individual, giving voice to someone else's cause.

    Lawyers must be more than merely lawyers. More than ever before, they need to blend analysis of legal doctrines with skills from accounting or physics or foreign languages. Hence, the trend toward lawyer-doctors, lawyer-engineers, lawyer-businesspeople, and so on.

    Students have been ahead of their teachers for some time. They have long been coming to law school planning to adapt their training to myriad pursuits. They benefit from their ability to interpret a statute, even if they end up opening a restaurant.”

    Yes, if you want to open a restaurant, you will be served well by going to law school, right?!?! (Wouldn’t it be much wiser to hire a licensed attorney, in such a matter?!) This was one of the first articles that inspired me to start this blog.

    http://jd--stories.blogspot.com/2011/01/kimbers-story-overcredentialed-curse.html

    Then again, some people - such as Opportunistic Dog Kimber Russell - are dumb enough to fall for such nonsense:

    “Law school was not something I ever thought I would do, especially considering my huge student loan debts and the fact that I was already overeducated. My husband, actually, suggested that I should go to law school because I could follow what was going on in a lawsuit against our landlord. We weighed the pros and cons, especially the increased debt load, but ultimately decided to go for it because the legal market appeared strong and stable.”

    Yes, tracking a lawsuit involving your landlord is a GREAT reason for going to law school, huh?!?! Apparently, Kimber and her ball-less husband were unaware that there were less-expensive methods for following a legal case.

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  42. @ Nando
    Widener is out in Chester, PA.; I've never heard a good word either about the school (a converted military academy) or the town (burnt-out ghetto hell-hole.)

    Still, what I wrote still stands; whatever X number of law schools exist in Pennsylvania, that's X too many.

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  43. Why not do an entry on what a piece of shit this country is? That's about the biggest toilet of all.

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  44. settle down 751...ive been out of the country many times so I think I have plenty of knowledge to say the USA, despite the fact it is going to crap, is still the best country in the world. Are you american or just some jerk who likes to bash a country because we elected an usurper for a President who is systematically destroying it while we do nothing?

    Again I ask you, what central american country do you live and work in? Are you ashamed of telling us? I dont need Nando to verify an IP address. If you are so proud, simply answer the question. Did you go down there to escape law school debt or are you just posting on a scam blog even though you have never gone to law school which would make you look like an even bigger douchebag? Simple questions my friend. Surely you wouldnt talk smack on a scam blog unless you were a lawyer or have dealt with the scam that is law school and the debt that came from it.

    So you eat better foods and women who are 9s and 10s are falling all over you when compared to the USA? Assuming I believe you, tell us about these 9s and 10s. Do they have an education? Are they intelligent? Or do you just look at them and have sex without much talk because they like you and hope you will liberate them back home to american. Why do you think they like you? You are a ticket to the good land of the USA. Now I will say one thing about the hispanic woman..they can be very attractive and are very family oriented but if they have no brains and ambition, it sucks no matter how good the sex is. To me if you can score the total package in central america, you can score them here in the USA otherwise the women down there like you because you are american. Most of my fellow lawyers want a woman with brains and looks. We can all score bimbos. Yes women can be a pain, but unless I am looking for a subservient type, if I have the ability to score women, I dont need to go to central america. Therefore you have nothing to brag about. How about those ugly american dudes scoring Russian babes? Besides the women and the fresh meat, tell us about all your other perks. Just curious.

    Ive been many places in this world and unless I can live rich in a foreign country, if I am living moderately like you and not wealthy, the USA is still the best place to be. When people are not trying to leave Central America and other shitholes in droves to come here and we have a mass exodus, then Ill believe how great your life is if you are living moderately. Until then, you are either full of shit, or you only left the USA to run from a debt and would likely come back today if the debt went away.

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  45. 7:51 is entitled to his opinion, but I have to side with 7:36 AM on this one. I know many who used to live in Guatemala, Cuba, Mexico, Brazil, Colombia, and Venezuela. Everyone said that South and Central America is amuck with corruption. People who used to live in Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia have even commented how dangerous it was to live there. I'm not saying the US is perfect (hell to the no it's not), but get real: if this guy posted something like that in Cuba or Venezuela, he would have his ass in jail just for that post alone.

    Everytime I sign onto AOL and read Huff Po, I can clearly see why we have the problems we have now. Both the extreme left and right have done a great deal of brainwashing of the masses. There are people so convinced on Huff Po that the Democratic Party has their best interest it sickens me. The same party responsiblem for raiding SS for many years, housing bubble, the soom to burst student loan bubble, and mismanagement of taxes for pet projects, has somehow convinced the masses that its the party for the people. Same can be said for those who are staunch supporters for the GOP (however Repub voters in general are more inclined to break party lines and vote for another party candidate).

    People really need to start waking up and looking for alternate news sources because as I see it, the press has been brought off by political parties and corporate funding (ie advertising and sponsorships). Unless people stop being so damn party loyal and start questioning our politicians and hold them accountable, the same inept people will keep getting re-elected.

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  46. Eh typos when I am posting during lunch and I am enraged: *soon and *responsible. But you get my drift.

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  47. It seems like the only solution to escape this heap of non-escapable debt...is to become an ex-Pat...or win Powerball.

    Becoming an ExPat is sounding like a better idea each time I read posts like the guy from Central America.

    I'd like a list of countries where Satan Mae cannot exercise any type of jurisdiction over me or my bank accounts.

    I love the USA but it is in severe economic turmoil. It seems like we are so deep in the hole and beyond the point of no return.

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  48. Looks like you are making an impact!

    http://www.startribune.com/local/130606993.html?page=1&c=y

    Apparently the only students going to LS now really want to be lawyers. The law schools are trying to put a positive spin on this, but why did they take all that money from “uninterested” students in prior years.

    Anyway,a 29 percent drop in applications at a TTT (St. Thomas) is great news.

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  49. Long time listener, first time caller. I don't know anything about Duquesne -- what percentage of out-of-state incoming 1Ls pronounce it "Doo-kez-nee" before arriving on campus? -- but I do know a little about practice in Pennsylvania.

    PA is an incredibly litigious state, and a state larded with local governments and authorities. Also, everyone in the state is divorced, drunk, and beats their wives. All those governments and all those drunk wife-beaters need lawyers. It's not biglaw, but it's a living.

    Readers might be surprised how many Widener graduates work full-time prosecuting DUI cases in the DA's office and serve part-time solicitor for Shitsville Township and Bumfuck borough, as well as the county redevelopment authority.

    Widener in particular is attractive because it has a night school and allows 1Ls to work. There's a ton of cops, DA's investigators and the like in the program. It allows students to live at home, probably with a spouse working full-time. And they're well-connected enough to slide into a small firm or an ADA's job back in Allentown or wherever after graduation.

    I'm not painting this as all roses. Students are still accruing TTTT debt -- but not at the eye-popping rate of law students who aren't working while at school. It's great for PA natives who are wired into their home regions -- if you think you're moving to PA from Nebraska, going to Widener, and then taking over the Scranton market, think again.

    And, of course, Widener is TTTT. You will never practice outside of Pennsylvania, or maybe Delaware. You will never breathe the rarefied air of Philly/Pittsburgh biglaw. You will probably never be a judge. You will probably never get filthy rich. You may get bored out of your mind prosecuting DUIs for the rest of your life.

    But you will earn a steady income. Those municipal solicitorships are a pain in the ass, but they earn a few grand a year each. It's like being an adjunct juco instructor. Throw in a solid union income from your spouse (RN, public school teacher, cop) and you're living well.

    I am not defending "the system" or the wisdom of six-figure debt loads. I am saying that Pennsylvania offers opportunity to the young lawyer who is

    a) a PA native
    b) doesn't go into crazy debt/pays as he goes/has a working spouse
    c) has no plans to leave PA
    d) keeps his law career expectations low

    Back to Duquesne. I liked Ken Gormley's Clinton-Starr book.

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  50. It's great for PA natives who are wired into their home regions -- if you think you're moving to PA from Nebraska, going to Widener, and then taking over the Scranton market, think again.

    Feed Pump for Grease Traps

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  51. The only reason people go to Duquesne is if they already have an in through a family member or friend. You will not get a job otherwise!!

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  52. whore you whore you are a whore you whore

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