Wednesday, November 16, 2011

Decrepit First Tier Dung: University of Iowa College of Law


http://www.law.uiowa.edu/students/finaid/index.php

Tuition: Iowa residents attending this law school, on a full-time basis, will pay $26,348 in tuition and fees – for the 2011-2012 school year. Out-of-state, full-time law students will be charged $46,056 in tuition and fees – for 2011-2012. In comparison, full-time tuition at Stanford Law School is $47,460, for the current academic year. Does anyone believe that the cost at these two schools should only differ by $1,404 per year?!?!

http://www.law.uiowa.edu/documents/finaid_financing_legal_education.pdf

Total Cost of Attendance: According to the bitches and hags at this overpriced sewage pit, in-state students can look forward to paying $42,981 in total expenses, whereas non-resident full-time law students will face a total tab of $62,770 - for 2011-2012. Keep in mind that these rats only consider nine-month living expenses.

Seeing that actual law students will require twelve month living costs - and not nine months - we can determine a more accurate total COA, for Iowa residents attending this commode for the current school year, of $47,759. For out-of-state students, this figure would amount to $67,575. Who says that “higher education” doesn’t pay off?!?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+2

Ranking: According to US “News” & World Report, the University of Iowa Commode of Law is the 27th greatest, most mesmerizing, fantastic and exhilarating school in the land. Now, do you understand why the cost of admission is so high?!

http://www.law.uiowa.edu/documents/stats_CSO_feb11.pdf

Alleged Employment and Starting Salary Statistics: Based on the figures supplied by this dung heap, only 75 percent of the graduates - from the Class of 2010 - were employed in long-term positions, i.e. 159/212. Keep in mind that this school is rated as the 27th best law school, in the U.S.! However, since only eight grads from this particular class are unemployed, the school will claim a 96.2% employment “placement” rate. Do you see how this self-reported system is inherently corrupt and skewed?!

As noted in this PDF, only 147 out of 192 employed grads reported their salary information, to the school. Here are the overall figures for the Class of 2010: 25th percentile - $50,000; median -$58,000; and 75th percentile - $100,000. When you are accepted into such a “top program,” you expect to make a better income, correct?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+5

Average Law Student Indebtedness: What is the debt load, for graduates of this school?!?! USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the University of Iowa JD Class of 2010 who incurred debt for law school - as $87,891. Fully 78 percent of this first tier public toilet’s particular class took on such putrid debt. Remember, this total does not include debt from undergrad.

Administrator and Faculty Salaries: Let’s see how well the faculty is doing, in comparison to the debt-strapped students and graduates. According to The Des Moines Register, then-dean Carolyn C. Jones made $301,898 in annual salary, plus $10,980 in travel costs, for 2010. The paper notes that Eric Andersen, “senior associate dean and professor of law,” raked in $194,396, on top of $3,652 in travel expenses, for 2010. The fish wrap lists that Sheldon Kurtz made $230,611 in salary, plus $8,541 in his travel account, as “Percy Bordwell Professor” at this top tier dung pit, in 2010.

http://blogs.law.uiowa.edu/grjsymposium/?page_id=2

“Who are we?

The Journal of Gender, Race & Justice is not for the weak of heart or the timid in spirit. Feminist inquiry and critical race analysis are the touchstones of our endeavor. Our building blocks are new forms of analysis that reach beyond traditional conceptions of legal thought. We challenge our writers, our readers, and ourselves to question who we are and how the law defines us. We strive to be a transformative experience.” [Emphasis in original]

As a student at this supposedly prestigious, public law school, you can become a member of The Journal of Gender, Race & Justice! Imagine the thrill that overcomes Biglaw hiring partners as they see this social science “credential” on your resume.

Conclusion: This regional school essentially requires you to incur an additional $90K-$120K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt - even though the median starting salary for the Class of 2010, was $58K. How in the hell does that make financial sense?!?! Do not attend this school UNLESS all of the following factors apply to your situation: (a) you have strong political, business or family connections; (b) you are receiving a full-tuition scholarship - or your family or spouse is paying your tuition; and (c) you want to practice law in Iowa.

53 comments:

  1. These numbers are unreal. How can a public school in the middle of nowhere charge so much?!?!?!?! The "beauty" about this situation is that it cannot continue. In other words, the system WILL fail regardless of any reform movements, Congressional hearings, or gotcha moments. We can watch it crumble while sitting back with a beer.....

    Also, this debt is being sold on Wall Street as SLABS, so the baby boomers will feel pain when their pensions are impacted.

    These numbers are almost laughable because they are so scary. ANYONE even considering law school needs to see these stats. They would be foolish not to RUN in the other direction.

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  2. Everyone should be aware of the extreme, almost exponential, increases in tuition at Iowa over the last few years. For out of state residents, you will be paying tuition at a level that is similar to that at private schools further up the foodchain. And don't count on getting residency after your first year: the administration at the University does everything it can to deny your being defined as such.

    The problem is that it is now harder than ever to get a well-paying job - or any legal job for that matter - out of Iowa; one that would allow someone to pay back the loans needed to obtain the degree.

    In the past, schools like Iowa were probably a reasonable risk: they were good quality schools that gave the top 30% or so a reasonable shot at the well paying jobs in Chicago and other, somewhat smaller midwestern cities. At this point, I find it hard to understand how anyone can justify paying $50K a year in tuition alone to attend this school.

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  3. Is that a tanker full of shit in a cornfield? Epic!

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  4. This is what you'll encounter if you make the imprudent decision to attend Iowa:

    *an administration previously headed by bumbling diversity tool of a "Dean;" a person who was more interested in pushing her diversity agenda than in maintaining/improving the quality of the education received. This person was finally booted out but still collects a salary well into the six figures. What she does for that money is truly a mystery.

    *former members of administration, now "adjuncts," who discriminate against and are hostile toward heterosexual white males;

    *a school that, more and more, relies on thinly credentialed "adjuncts" as teaching staff because they can't or won't bring in more qualified, dynamic faculty who are committed to teaching. One of these people is a bitter, childish, vindictive flame out who hasn't done anything of professional or academic significance in almost 40 years. This guy was a SCOTUS clerk, but after that is was decades of a downward trajectory. He has an unsubstantiated, outsized ego, acts as though he's some sort of legal god, and retaliates against students who find out what he really is - a do nothing has been - and then refuse to give him the deference he thinks he deserves.

    *a "career services office" that is the law school analogue of a Potemkin Village. There is no there there.

    At Iowa, there is very little effort to bring in new faculty, there is no commitment to getting rid of dead wood teachers in the adjunct ranks, there is no commitment to maintaining and improving the quality of the education received, there is no commitment to quality students who want to have a legal career, and there is no effort to expand employment connections and opportunities for graduates.

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  5. 46,056 x3 = $138,168

    Median salary = $58k

    Where do i sign up?

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  6. To be fair, based on the data Nando posted you would be MUCH better off attending Iowa than you would be had you attended numerous other bad schools.

    But still, the deans should lower their salaries and they should try to improve their reported statistics, which again are pretty well detailed and comprehensive relative to true scam schools, even further.

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  7. http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/index.php?topic=103537.0

    On March 23, 2008, at 7:47:49 pm, someone using LSD handle “iowactor” responded to an original thread topic entitled “Does University of Iowa suck as much as I think it does?” Here is the main portion of his reply:

    “What IOWA is:
    1. A law school with an Academically diverse student body. This means that some students will be Phi Beta Kappa, summa cum laude graduates from a range of undergrads to students with less than stellar LSATS or GPAs, but with special qualities/backgrounds not measured well statistically. Overall, the students are collegial, but the best word to describe successful students is hardworking.
    2. A STATE School. What I mean here is that the law school makes it a priority to accept a certain percentage of Iowans. So, about 40%-50% of your class will be from Iowa. Some of these students are brilliant, some are average, and some just need to graduate in order to get a position back in their Iowa hometown.
    3. National (sort of). 50%-60% of students leave the state after graduation. Some of my friends went to places like Chicago, D.C., Minneapolis, Kansas City, Phoenix, and Miami. I do not think we place particularly well in New York City or L.A., but this is due to the fact most students who come to IOWA do not aspire to positions in these places. That said, one of my former roommates is working at a firm in NYC, but he was from New Jersey originally. Also, IOWA is making connections with Delaware corporate law firms due to our relationship with the DE Supreme Court.

    What IOWA is not:
    1. Racially diverse. In truth, we are not a racially diverse school. This is mostly due to the fact Iowa is not a racially diverse state. This is good news for non-caucasian applicants b/c IOWA offers crazy $ to increase class diversity.
    2. BIGlaw Top to Bottom. Unlike some schools in the T-14, your chances of getting a BIGlaw position after graduation depends more on your class rank. So, if you are outside of the top 15%-25% or so, your chances of making over $100k+ your first year out is not great but not impossible.
    3. An Oooh or an AAahhhh. Outside of the region, people will not say "ooh" or "ahhh" when you tell them you went to IOWA law. In fact, some people will not know the difference between Iowa and Idaho. You have to "know thyself" when it comes to the prestige factor.”

    From TLS accountholder “sebastian0622” - posted on October 28, 2010 at 12:44 pm:

    http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=133360&start=1575

    “Sports Law has an extremely light work load and there is no final.

    Negotiations has a very light work load, but there is a final.

    I hear mostly bad things about Kurtz.

    Somek is a bit off the wall, and he has a big attendance component to his grading, which is annoying. Especially considering that he says taking time off to go to a job interview isn't a valid reason.”

    Who gives a damn about “Sports Law”?! By the way, could it be possible that Sheldon Kurtz is not worth his $230,611 salary – plus $8,541 in travel expenses – for 2010?! Furthermore, isn’t it MORE important to go to a job interview than to sit in some academic ass-hat’s class?

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  8. By the way, when I attended Third Tier Drake, I had a teacher with a similar attendance policy. This academic felt that his class was more important than job interviews or court appearances, for those working in the defense clinic – or interning in the county attorney’s office. There were no exceptions to his rule.

    One morning, I was in court for a client, and the judge needed to set sentencing for later in the day. (The client lied, by telling the court that she had no prior convictions. I knew that she had priors, and I had warned her not to lie to the judge. He looked at the agreement and asked the client point blank, “Do you have prior convictions?” Dumbass replied, by telling him that she did not have any. Then again, when you are dealing with dishonest scum – with an IQ in the low 80s - what can you expect?) The judge wanted to set the hearing right after lunch, but it conflicted with this guy’s class.

    The judge was used to disposing of cases during that time frame, and did not usually accept excuses unless he knew the attorney was flooded – and no one else could make an appearance. He was harsh, but fair. At that moment, I mentioned to him and his clerk that I could not meet at that time. He asked for a valid reason. I mentioned that it conflicted with a class, and that the teacher did not make exceptions to his attendance policy. The judge said that it would be fine, this one time.

    He also told me, “Mister, would you please tell your professor that it is much more important for law students to appear in court than it is for them to attend little lectures? Also tell him that I think his attendance policy is stupid. I will see you at 2:30 pm, on this case.”

    When the clerk handed me the appointment reminder, the judge looked over at me and repeated, “Your professor has a stupid notion of attendance.” I knew that it was ridiculous. The next day, after class, I told him what the judge said. At that point, he became upset at the judge; actually, he was indignant. It was quite comical. He told me that “The judge should stick to judging, and I’ll worry about how I handle my class.”

    In all honesty, this teacher was a smart man, but almost entirely detached from the real world. He honestly felt that it was more important for students to attend his class, than to make court appearances or apply for jobs. This is what we are dealing with, people.

    By the way, the best response came from the clinical attorney. When I mentioned that the client ended up in jail, because she lied to the judge, he did a double-take while we were going down the courthouse steps. Instantly, he turned his head, and said, "She *@*&^%* lied to the judge?!?!" His face was slightly contorted, i.e. his eyes nearly bugged out and his nose and lip were snarled, for a brief second. Even his skin color appeared to change, for a moment. By that point, he knew that I was capable and competent. He wasn't upset with me. He simply could not believe that the client was THAT stupid. That response still makes me laugh, to this day.

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  9. Another good post Nando. But I don't see why you bother linking on JDUnderground anymore. The regulars on that site are the most pathetic crew of Biglaw wannabes, failed hipsters, and Kubler-Ross refugees this side of TLS.

    Actually, now that I think about it, it does kind of make sense. Any sane non-JD who spends any time at that site has all the info they need about why not to go to law school and be associated with cretins like that.

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  10. Maybe the law schools think its more important to go to class than court hearings because most law students are never gonna practice law anyway.

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  11. Nando:

    This website was mentioned in US News:

    http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/articles/2011/11/16/5-tips-for-current-or-prospective-law-school-students-in-a-difficult-economy?PageNr=1

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  12. I went to a number 15 law school at the time(They have since slipped a couple places but who cares). This rank obsession is completely unhealthy. I do not think medical or dental schools are anything like that. If there were decent admission standards and quality teaching, none of this ranking nonsense would matter.

    The sad fact of the matter, I don't care if someone goes to Yale or Harvard, they are still not taught much about how to practice law. We let USNWR determine arbitrarily how good a law school is by stupid factors such as libraries and faculty publications in law reviews. I can honestly say the value of my law professor having clerked for SCOTUS or publication in some law review article added ZERO to my education.

    The fact of the matter is law school is an expensive waste of time that supports an overpaid under-worked group of law professors. You could give me a lobotomy and I could think of a better way to educate attorneys.

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  13. ^ This is correct. Nobody gives a shit about whether someone was a SCOTUS clerk. Tell me, how does that achievement in any way qualify you to teach and how does that add value to someone paying your salary?

    At Iowa, there's this guy who was a SCOTUS clerk, but the guy is a bitter, childish, vindictive flame out who hasn't done anything of professional or academic significance in almost 40 years. Yeah, he was a SCOTUS clerk, but after that was decades of a downward trajectory. He basically flamed out before he hit the age of 40, and has been scuffling around at Iowa as an adjunct for 30 years.

    He has an unsubstantiated, outsized ego, acts as though he's some sort of legal god, and retaliates against students who find out what he really is - a do nothing has been - and then refuse to give him the deference he thinks he deserves.

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  26. Look at the 12 deleted comments posted above, between 6:11 pm and 6:28. They were submitted by a mentally sick piece of trash, ostensibly from Cambridge, MA. Then again, this loser is so obsessed with this site that he posts from several IPs. Apparently, the online pussy has plenty of time to check out sites he cannot stand. I guess when you suffer from hypogonadism, it may affect your central nervous system.

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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2844928/

    “From Mental Disorder to Iatrogenic Hypogonadism - Dilemmas in Conceptualizing Gender Identity Variants as Psychiatric Conditions

    Heino F. L. Meyer-Bahlburg

    Heino F. L. Meyer-Bahlburg, NYS Psychiatric Institute & Dept. Psychiatry, Columbia University 1051 Riverside Drive, NYSPI Unit 15 New York, NY 10032, USA;

    Abstract

    The categorization of gender identity variants (GIVs) as “mental disorders” in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) is highly controversial among professionals as well as among persons with GIV. After providing a brief history of GIV categorizations in the DSM, this paper presents some of the major issues of the ongoing debate: GIV as psychopathology versus natural variation; definition of “impairment” and “distress” for GID; associated psychopathology and its relation to stigma; the stigma impact of the mental-disorder label itself; the unusual character of “sex reassignment surgery” as a psychiatric treatment; and the consequences for health and mental-health services if the disorder label is removed. Finally, several categorization options are examined: Retaining the GID category, but possibly modifying its grouping with other syndromes; narrowing the definition to dysphoria and taking “disorder” out of the label; categorizing GID as a neurological or medical rather than a psychiatric disorder; removing GID from both the DSM and the International Classification of Diseases (ICD); and creating a special category for GIV in the DSM. I conclude that--as also evident in other DSM categories--the decision on the categorization of GIVs cannot be achieved on a purely scientific basis, and that a consensus for a pragmatic compromise needs to be arrived at that accommodates both scientific considerations and the service needs of persons with GIVs.”

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  27. Sounds like someone's mad he didn't get in and had to go to Drake...

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  28. Get this straight all of you Iowa lovers, most of the people at the law school - especially the administration - are nothing but leeches. These people don't care about anything except keeping the student loan gravy train running so they can get their high five and six figure salaries, which in the end is nothing but a wealth transfer from the American taxpayers to these do-nothings.

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  29. 8:48, U of Iowa sucks dick. Maybe top 5-10% can land decent biglaw jobs after school. But NY and LA firms will not be impressed by a degree from this regional school.

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  30. Iowa sucks. All law schools suck. I think some of the people that go to lower tier law schools think there is some mystique about the higher ranked schools. Arguing about the prestige of Iowa is a joke. Law school is a joke. The current law school model should be part of the philosophy department or political science department.

    A few weeks ago, I was talking to someone, they bragged about their friend getting into George Mason Law School. George Mason sucks. If law schools would focus on preparing people to enter the law, it could be a valuable experience. Currently, the whole system is a joke. I don't care if you went to Harvard, without some experience and training you would make some pretty basic mistakes trying to help a client.

    Dental schools refused to provide information to USNWR so they could rank dental schools. The legal profession is stupid. It is so obsessed with bullshit rankings that are meaningless. I don't care where you went to law school, your education was too expensive and it sucks. It does not end even when you enter the profession.

    They have a magazine that created a designation called Super Lawyers. WTF is a Super Lawyer. If you can't jump over a tall building, stop a bullet, or run faster than a speeding locomotive: you are not a Super Lawyer. My law school started creating academic excellence awards for the professors when I was going there. It is some fake award the professors designed so they could put it on their bio or as I have seen in interviews of faculty that they like to bring up.

    I truly think law school is stupid. Law school is inefficient and outdated, supporting an overpaid administrative/faculty guild that spend most of their time doing things that do not benefit law students.

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  31. @ 12;45 PM:

    I agree with everything you are saying. Well said, BTW. As soon as a person figures out what you just stated, it is time for them to graduate....and leave the profession. All this pretentiousness attached to what? I told somebody today that if I am paying 60K a year for this stupid degree, these bozos better be teaching me more than how to "think like lawyer." They better be teaching me how to shit money.

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  32. ^They are teaching you how to shit money. Just not like how you imagined it. Instead you're learning how to take out a shit-ton of debt for a sorry law degree.

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  33. Conservative talk radio is now dealing with OWS in a very harsh spirit of condemnation.

    What the Hell? Rush Limbaugh paind Elton John 1 million dollars to sing at Limbaugh's wedding, and Hannity was there and grinned as far as I know.

    Last I heard Elton John is cross pond Liberal. Can anyone say different?

    Now Limbaugh and Hannity are critical of the OWS movement.

    Nothing makes sense anymore.

    The 2012 Elections are coming.

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  34. Maybe Elton JOhn blew Hannity and Limbaugh. That might explain the smiles. Anyway Hannity comes across as a flaming metrosexual.

    http://marriage.about.com/od/entertainmen1/p/rushlimbaugh.htm

    And Rush Limbaugh. What can you say about this hypocritic drug abuser? The fatshit has been married 4 fucking times and has no children.

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  35. Iowa lovers:

    The U of Iowa College of Law is a regional school. I know you all think you're headed to the Chicago market. Guess what, fuckheads? Chicago has 6 or 7 law schools. Chicago big firms would rather take top grads from Chicago shitters. Hey. It's better to figure this shit out now before you end up taking out $100,000 in loans to find out later.

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  36. This school is an example of why the rankings are flawed. I can see a lemming pass up Fordham (which is ranked 35) to attend Iowa which is ranked slightly higher. But guess what? When the economy was great, the top 33% at Fordham could crack into Biglaw whereas the top 5% at Iowa could crack into Biglaw in the major markets (excluding Chicago). I knew someone who went to Iowa. He used to wear that stupid Iowa jersey with the mascot (a hawkeye with an "up yours" gesture). He was from NYC and he hated the environment in Iowa. Anyway, he came back after graduation to the NYC area and could not crack into Biglaw. He wound up working for some immigration solo sweatshop in Brooklyn making $30K a year (this was in 1996). In the end, I suppose that "up yours" mascot is really directed at the law grads of Iowa and their chances of cracking into Biglaw.

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  37. ^This is very true. The bottom line is that people coming out of Iowa are just not going to get the nod when it comes to jobs in Chicago, or even the other somewhat smaller midwestern cities.

    It used to be the case that if you were in the top 30% or so you could get a job in a large firm somewhere in the midwest. Given what has happened in the legal market over the last four years, I have a hard time believing that anyone outside of the top 5% is getting one of those jobs coming out of this place.

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  38. If you are considering this place know this: You are not going to land a biglaw gig in NYC coming out of here unless you have some major league connections and are from the area. Why hire someone from flyover Iowa when you can hire a top 5 guy from NYLS, Touro, Pace. We're not even talking about the elite schools out there even.

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  39. Too Many JD's being pumped out into a job market that cannot absorb them, and with nowhere to go from there.

    Stuck with debt for life.

    A bad system.

    Simply Bad.

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  40. Law school is for suckers. Easy marks.

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  41. On July 31, 2008 at 8:11 pm, TLS user “westside123” posted the following message on a thread labeled “Iowa Law Class of 2011“:

    http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=38192

    “My posts on this site, and the threads about Iowa on JD Underground and Law School Discussion, are quite clear as to what is going on at Iowa. The amalgamation of information from those three sources says all that needs to be said.

    There are serious problems at U of Iowa Law. Take a look at Drake, the other law school in Iowa. At Drake, almost everyone is from a very strong, top law school. Now take at look at Iowa's faculty - on a one by one comparison, the credentials just don't stack up.

    While there are some very strong professors at Iowa, most of those people are close to retirement age. The younger faculty members of this strong cohort don't make up for the fact that Iowa seems to be doing nothing to attract and retain a strong faculty. Iowa does seem to be able to attract a bumbling diversity tool for a Dean, but I don't think that will make up for the shortcomings in other areas.

    There is an overreliance on "adjuncts" at Iowa - a sure sign that something is wrong. One particular adjunct is a total flame out who hasn't done anything of professional or academic significance in almost 40 years. Furthermore, the school no longer seems to be able to attract strong younger faculty - something that would keep the school vital and the academic quality high. As an Iowa grad I see the quality at the law school slipping away and the people in charge unwilling to do anything about it.

    I will give you one piece of advice. If you are serious about having a legal career and you do well enough during your first year, transfer to a school higher up the food chain. Ideally this would be one of the T14 schools. The doors to quality opportunities in the profession open far wider to people from those schools than they do to people coming out of Iowa.”

    This school may provide you with (somewhat) decent job prospects within the State of Iowa. Perhaps, you don’t mind being an assistant county attorney in Blackhawk County - or work in a small law office in Marshalltown. Then again, why the hell incur so much NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for such employment?!?! Furthermore, if you intend to land a Biglaw position, you are MUCH better off attending a “national” school. In sum, the lawyer job market is glutted. Do you want to contribute to the faculty pigs’ bloated salaries, for a chance to represent dishonest, broke-ass criminal defendants in Iowa courts?!

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  42. David Segal drops another bomb on the law school scam in a New York Times article titled: "Law Schools That Teach Little About Legal Practice"

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/20/business/after-law-school-associates-learn-to-be-lawyers.html

    He focuses on the intellectual sinkhole known as the American law review:

    "Professors are rewarded for chin-stroking scholarship, like law review articles with titles like “A Future Foretold: Neo-Aristotelian Praise of Postmodern Legal Theory.”

    It gets worse. Maybe save this article for Monday so you don't wreck your weekend.

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  43. Anyone going to law school now that the truth has been laid bare deserves no sympathy.

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  44. Look into Arizona State - and make sure to check into the reputation of certain male staff members when it comes to female students.

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  45. You probably have never worked a day in your life Nando. Youre probably one of those idiots in college who slept through classes and partied at nights and then complained when the teacher failed you. Its called working hard. Ass power. If only you had put your ass in a chair and worked your butt off instead of posting nonsense on blogs, you probably would be doing something worthwhile today. So continue complaining and living this miserable existence you call life because its too late for you to do anything else :)

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  46. @idc201
    I guess you like public humiliation, because Nando's just going to post your IP, city and state location, what sort of computer you use, and how many times you came in here. But then, you kind of sound like the WTLS, so no pity for you.

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    "Anyone going to law school now that the truth has been laid bare deserves no sympathy."

    College students right now are desperate and scared shitless by the employment numbers, so even an absolute sucker bet, three-card monty outfit like Lawl Skool looks good. Yes they need to flee to Mexico, Canada, Russia, China, the Dark Side of the Moon to get away from Scammie May and the loan-rapists....BUT, they don't know that shit. They need the info to stay away from post-seconday education in the US, but nobody at their rabbit hutch colleges TELLS them the game is fuckin' rigged UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE. And admitting that hurts me, because I believe people need to be educated and deserve to go as far as they want.

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  47. To the piece of garbage who posted at 9:44 pm:

    http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=67.83.7.225

    From GetClicky:

    IP address: 67.83.7.225
    IP lookup: ARIN / RIPE
    Unique ID: 3690451706
    First visit: Sat Nov 19 2011 9:13pm
    Visits: 1
    Language: English
    Location: North Bergen, NJ, USA
    Operating system: Windows 7
    Web browser: Firefox 7.0
    Resolution: 1600x900
    Javascript: Enabled

    Time Visitor Session
    Nov 19 2011 9:13pm 67.83.7.225 11 actions 30m 57s

    The moron was referred to my blog by the JDU thread below:

    http://www.jdunderground.com/jdu/thread.php?threadId=17595

    The thread is from May 30, 2011, and is entitled “Please provide feedback on Albany Law.” By the way, if you head to that discussion, you will notice that every JDU poster who commented on that thread tore into this filthy commode. I posted a link to my profile of Albany Law Sewer:

    http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2009/11/next-up-third-tier-commode-albany-law.html

    Apparently, this piece of trash - from the North Bergen, NJ area - is considering Albany Law School. I completed law school, moron. I did not fail a single class, cockroach. (This is not an accomplishment, but I am addressing your idiotic lies, pussy.) Gain some life experience - and move out of your parents’ basement - BEFORE flapping your gums, bitch.

    By the way, cockroach: I moved out of my parents’ house when I was 18. I have been employed in some capacity for nearly half my life. After law school, I landed a full-time job, with good benefits. I still work at that position, and I have been married for more than six years.

    To address your foolish statements, I did not party my life away during college or sleep in class, ass-clown. Talk to your sister and mother about “ass power” - as this has helped them pay the bills, mental midget. Furthermore, I graduated from college with a 3.817 GPA. I also received a full-tuition scholarship to attend law school.

    In the final analysis, you are an ignorant pussy, idc201. Have fun at Albany Law Sewer, loser. Try not to get pounded in the ass by numerous strange men, and subsequently fall asleep in class - or you might miss something of great importance during a resounding Torts lecture.

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  48. Fucking brutal, nando. You left out how many times you slapped and fucked idc201's mom in the ass last week. Other than that you did a great job.

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  50. Dicknose above, at 4:22 pm, wrote:

    "You can go screw a cow for all I care."

    Fortunately, I don't want to screw your mother or sister. But thanks for offering, bitch. When you drive them to their "clients," you make sure that they have their shots, right, moron? Also, you do have a permit to transport livestock, correct?!?!

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  51. I attended Iowa Law and graduated middle of the pack in 2012. Still unemployed. My friend (who graduated Iowa at the same time) graduated in the top 5% of the class. Nice personable kid. He had no attachments and was willing to relocate anywhere. They couldn't even find him a job. He finally hooked up a public defender job in the middle of nowhere, FL, for $35K/yr. True story.

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  52. Comment/Question for nando: I get what you're doing and I respect it, warning to the unwise. You are certainly on to something. Most law schools drastically overstate their utility to entice unwitting students into attending, being an attorney isn't the guaranteed pay check it used to be and so on. My question/issue is this: why do all of your school reviews say essentially the same thing? It may just be a common formula which you use but it makes it look like you just say the same thing over and over again about any school outside of the top 25 that lands in your cross hairs. "$XXX to expensive, $XX not mentioned in COL, XX shitty journal/program etc., XX employment status UNK/Fast-food, XX etc. etc... So don’t attend XXX". Do you actually believe that all the schools you mention have the functionally identical fatal flaws which you point out? And more importantly that they do the same amount of harm in each of the many disparate cases? I am not disagreeing with your judgements or methods yet, I’m simply curios as to whether or not you may have gotten a bit carried away in some cases. I say this primarily because while I can understand including all of the T3 & T4 schools b/c it’s definitely a bad roll of the dice there at any time, and I get why so many T2 schools show up given the current state of things, I just don’t see why so many T1 schools are painted with the same brush as Phoenix Law, or JMLS etc. It seems counter-intuitive to say that U of IL (scandal aside), Ohio State, U of Iowa, are just as bad as Stetson or Cooley… Even accepting they all have faults I don’t ever see Iowa or IL as being a total waste on a level with JMLS or Drake* etc. Could you clarify why they are all dragged through the same amount of mud despite what appear to be obvious and substantial differences? You even mention U of IL as a school that steals jobs from other Chicago schools that you trash. I do not attend U of IL or any law school at this time, I am starting in August with a Veterans Scholarship and financial assistance from my family. U of IL WL me btw so I’m not too happy with them but still… Don’t read attack, read RFI (request for information). Thanks.

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  53. My brother graduated from this school in 2006. As an in-state student he still took out $100K in loans to go here. And you know what he does now? He works at Wells Fargo bank making $40K a year.

    Avoid this shithole. The job market here sucks. We've got boarded up store fronts and closed down factories everywhere.

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