Friday, January 13, 2012

Second Tier Equine Excrement: University of Kentucky College of Law


http://www.uky.edu/Registrar/feesgen.htm

Tuition: Full-time, in-state students at the University of Kentucky Commode of Law will be charged $18,306 in tuition, for the 2011-2012 school year. Out-of-state students attending this public stink pit, on a full-time basis, will pay $31,716 in tuition - for 2011-2012. Notice how the pigs list the charges on a per semester basis. Mandatory fees add another $1,006 to the tab.

http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/News/2012/01_-_January/ABA_head_has_little_sympathy_for_jobless_lawyers/

Recall that Cockroach William T. Robinson III stated that he sold off his Corvair, so that he could pay his first semester tuition and books, which cost roughly $330 in Fall 1968. The bastard graduated from this law school in 1971. How many current students could sell their car to pay off their tuition, plus books?!?!

According to this CPI Inflation Calculator, $330 in 1968 would equate to $2,145.28, in 2011. You might argue that this refers to purchasing power. However, this should also apply to the consumer good known as “higher education.” Wouldn’t it be nice to pay $4,290.56 in tuition, as an in-state student at this toilet, rather than $19,312 in tuition and fees?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+3

Ranking: The Ass-Clown who currently heads the ABA is a graduate of this public toilet. Surely, that must bode well for the school’s ranking, right?!?! Actually, Robert Morse and the hags at US “News” & World Report rate the University of Kentucky COL as the 71st most exhilarating and phenomenal law school, in the land. It shares this honor with the following “prestigious” institutions: Loyola-Chicago, Northeastern, UNLV, Oklahoma and Pittsburgh.

http://www.law.uky.edu/index.php?pid=106

Purported Employment and Starting Salary Statistics: The swine claim that 97.5 percent of the Univer$iTTy of KenTTucky JD Class of 2010 was employed, within nine months of graduation. To wit:

"UK Law graduates consistently outperform national employment averages. For example, based on information relating to the Class of 2010, 97.5% of the Class of 2010 who were seeking employment were employed or pursuing additional education within 9 months following graduation. The other 2.5% were either unemployed and seeking or their job status was unknown."

According to this dung pit, the overall median starting salary - for its Class of 2010 - was a whopping $45K. The median salary, for members of this particular class working in law firms, is listed as $55K. The school notes that 63 percent of 2010 grads who reported being employed supplied salary data. For prospective law students, this means that these figures are skewed upward. Remember, those making decent money are happy to furnish that information to the school. Those who are selling women’s shoes are typically too embarrassed to report their situation.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+8

Average Law Student Indebtedness: US “News” lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Univer$iTTy of KenTTucky’s Law Class of 2010 who incurred debt for law school - as $49,059. Only 86 percent of this dung pile’s particular class took on such toxic debt. This amount does not take undergraduate debt into account.

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/02/18/353631/search-uk-salary-database.html?appSession=013264295352839

Faculty and Administrator Salaries: Let’s see how well the academic gluttons are doing, in comparison to the debt-soaked students and graduates. According to this database, which does not specify the year, David Brennen, dean of the commode of law, made $256,875 in salary, for his role. Rutheford B. Campbell, “James and Mary Lassiter Professor of Law,” raked in $165,607, while Eugene R. Gaetke “earned” $150,109, as “Edward T. Breathitt Professor of Law.” Plus, who can forget Robert G. Schwemm, the “Ashland-Spears Disinguished Research Professor”?!?! The old fart received $161,905 in annual pay.

http://www.law.uky.edu/index.php?pid=257

As a student at this garbage heap, you can write onto the Kentucky Journal for Equine, Agriculture, and Natural Resources Law!! Law firms with a focus on “equine law” will appreciate your “experience,” right?! Here is a partial description, from the commode:

“The Kentucky Journal for Equine, Agriculture, and Natural Resources Law (KJEANRL) is a multi-disciplinary journal of law, science, and policy published twice annually by the University of Kentucky College of Law. KJEANRL is edited entirely by students of the College of Law. A forum for articles by practitioners, academicians, policy-makers, and other professionals throughout the United States and abroad, the Journal welcomes original manuscripts focusing on the legal, policy, and ethical issues related to the environment, natural resources, land use, and energy.”

Conclusion: The University of Kentucky Commode of Law is an overpriced pile of trash, that provides its students with anemic job prospects. The school can claim a 97.5% employment “placement” rate if it wants, but it also lists a rather low starting salary, for recent grads. “Higher education” is supposed to be an investment in one’s future. People with an IQ above 75 typically want a positive return on their investment. You DO NOT NEED to incur an additional $55K-$80K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a chance to practice law - and maybe earn $45K in annual salary.

139 comments:

  1. That is one nasty turd. Turns out I won' t be having breakfast today. Thanks for that.

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  2. That is one gnarly picture.

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  3. What is about the multiple way ties among the law schools in the rankings? That is just plain bush league. I can't believe this profession takes US News as the decider of what is good and what is not. ALL LAW SCHOOLS SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!! They are too expensive, and teach little of value. If law schools were technology, they would be the Commodore 64.

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  4. Morse doesn't want to upset schools. The T14 now has 15 schools. (Texas was added at a tie for 14th.) Schools might get upset if they are singled out and ranked 83rd, when there was a 5 way tie for 78. It really is so embarrassing. It's kindergarten bullshit.

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  5. WHat's so bad about this school? It's a flagship law school. I take you guys just mad 'cause the ABA head went to this school.

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  6. Fuck between specializing in Space Law and Equine Law, you too can become a Space Cowboy with your JD!

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  7. "What's so bad about this school? It's a flagship law school. I take you guys just mad 'cause the ABA head went to this school."

    No, it's because there are too many law schools; Nando will hit all of them before this blog is done. Hopefully he'll write a book laying out what a frigging scam law school is. The kids need to be warned.

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  8. @ 11:46 AM.

    The median salary for this school is just 45K. That's pretty lousy considering the miserable amount of debt it's grads are in. Think about it, that means half of the salaries fall below that 45K mark! That's awful! It's just 55K for law firms. Think, if you got a job at the bottom level after undergrad with X company then you would have a solid chance of making 45-55K after 3 years without 100K in debt. See what a bad decision law school is?

    I will actually applaud UK for having some of the better employment stats of any school I've seen. They are much better stats than are on the site of the school I went to.

    But nevertheless, the stats are pretty lousy. For starters, they admit that only 63% of the class reported. Secondly, the 25th percentile for all is 33K. That means 1 out of every 4 grads was making 33K or less! Yuck!

    The 75h percentile in law firms is 95K which sounds pretty good, but the 75th percentile for the entire class is just 57K! What does that show? It shows that a whopping amount of grads are not getting work in law firms.

    Finally, only 47% got work in private practice! 27% got clerkships (temprorary of course), 8% gov't, 11% Bus, 7% pub.

    Once again, I give UK credit for having a much better breakdown of stats than most schools do. But the stats themselves are indeed atrocious. But someone who chooses UK doesn't have as much room to whine as someone who chooses a school that engages in more of a coverup since UK does make decent stats available.

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  9. Law skool is a terrible idea. If you aren't seriously connected or independently wealthy this is a shit path for your future. If you are really smart or gifted, go to medical school. At least then you won't have to worry about being one of 44,000 grads scrambling for 26,000 jobs.

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  10. It looks like the U.S. Higher Education/ Law School scam is looking to exploit Chinese students:

    http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/11/9679479-chinese-applications-to-us-schools-skyrocket

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  11. Just found out (and posted about) Puerto Rico having 3 ABA accredited law schools. I can't believe how fast these things are popping up (even though the Puerto Rico ones have been around for a while). Still, I can't get over how many of them there are. Law schools are like cockroaches, turning up in droves no matter where one looks.

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  12. http://www.law.uky.edu/index.php?pid=189

    Take a look at this clinic offering, at the University of Kentucky Commode of Law:

    “Student Public Interest Law Foundation

    SPILF

    The Student Public Interest Law Foundation (SPILF) is a student organization at UK Law that promotes awareness of and interest in public interest job opportunities among UK Law students. In addition to sponsoring speakers on a variety of public interest topics and maintaining an extensive library of information on public interest careers, SPILF sponsors student summer fellowships that pay students' expenses to work for a public interest/public service organization. While most students select fellowship opportunities in Kentucky, SPILF has supported student fellows both nationally and internationally.”

    Yes, placement in this “prestigious” program is going to set you on a great course, right?!?! Keep in mind that many law firms and potential employers see a bunch of internships as proof that you are a loser. In fact, you are a chump - for agreeing to work for a firm or government agency, as unpaid labor.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490886

    Listen to this NPR Program, from July 13, 2010, entitled “Questioning the Ethics of Unpaid Internships.” Here is an excerpt, from the transcript:

    “The summer gig behind the grill at the burger joint is on the backburner these days. Many college students and grads now angle to land a coveted internship at a law firm, advertising agency, movie studio or at a news organization. They often work for nothing.

    As companies look to cut costs, some canceled internship programs altogether. Others, though, stepped it up to take advantage of unpaid labor. And some face tough questions.”

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    “[Neal] CONAN: Here's an email from - this is from Dirk in Chico, California: As a retired university faculty member and the internship coordinator for a degree program, I believe students should learn something from the experience before they even begin work. The first thing to learn is that unpaid internships may indicate a field or a major with too many students and too few potential jobs.

    That's an interesting way - observation. It's also - there are lots of unpaid internships where you do get course credit.

    Mr. [Steven] GREENHOUSE: Neal, yes. A lot of - I mean, a lot of employers - well, the Labor Department often says that one hoop that employers can jump through to provide unpaid internships is to have the intern receive course credit. And that clearly makes it seem more educational, but it seems that more and more colleges are balking at giving credit for internships, especially when they conclude that the internships are, you know, drudgery and grunt work and really aren't very educational.

    Some colleges seem happy to give credit, you know, for internships because they'll get paid maybe three, four, $5,000 for these credits when they don't even have to provide a professor, you know, to teach that student for those credits.

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  13. 18K in-state is low-end tuition. The starting salary statistic provided by Kentucky is probably only slightly--rather than egregiously--overstated. Does this school deserve praise for addressing scamblogger concerns?

    NO, it doesn't. Absent evidence that Kentucky is training students to practice law, it deserves to be dismissed as just another scam.

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  14. This school is a shithole. Who gives a slippery fuck if its a flagship?

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  15. Whenever I hear people use the term "flagship" to describe a college or law school, that should be a warning to the lemmings. All aboard on the USS Frigate to Indenture Servitude.

    I recently saw a movie involving Africans who paid to be stowaways on a boat to America. The ship's captain was a vile criminal but law school deans are worse. They lie, steal your dreams and money while feeding you with false hope. Horse law? Really?

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  16. Write about the law schools already. You already rely on plenty of facts and the writing is strong. Why not kick the shit out of the law schools and make some money at it?

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  17. In order to pay for law school today, students would need to sell their house, not their car!

    What a scumbag!

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  18. Did he sell his soul too? Or maybe he was always a bastard.

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  19. Law schools are sort of like cigarette companies (except that they don't kill you and the good ones are still a worthwhile investment that can lead to a fine career). The point is that for a time they are culpable. But now that the information is getting out there about employment prospects (due in part to blogs like this one) people will only have themselves to blame if they pursue law school. It's not a per se bad idea for everyone. But people need to recognize that they will have a low to mid-paying attorney job and it will take a fucking long time to pay back all the debt unless they get into a top school. And there are, of course, schools that fall below even this modest threshold. If you go to one of those schools, the likeilhood of getting a legal job at all is modest. It's good that people are starting to recognize that too

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  20. when will you blog about BC law?
    I am eagerly waiting....
    and I can provide a lot of insider's information.

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  21. Nando,
    I am currently a 1L at a tier 2 school, and my school has yet to release half of our first semester grades. Now the biggest problem with this is that this past friday was the last day you could drop out and get a full refund. The school strategically made the deadline for the professors to submit grades this upcoming Tuesday. Since the bottom half of my class will likely have a zero percent chance at ever practicing law, they would be smart to just drop out after the first semester. However, if they drop Tuesday after the last two grades are released, they will likely only receive a 50 percent tuition refund. If this is not a scam, I don't know what is. It is ridiculous that the school would not give the students at least a week after they receive ALL of their grades from the past semester to be able to drop out and receive a 100 percent refund. I'd like to read your input on this situation.

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  22. The following links pass for "news" at this public toilet:

    http://www.law.uky.edu/index.php?nid=128

    "1997 UK Law Grad a Magistrate Judge in Paducah

    Dec 1 2011 11:52AM

    The United States District Court Western District of Kentucky recently swore in Leo Lansden King ("Lanny") as the new Magistrate Judge for Paducah, Kentucky. He replaced Judge W. David King, who retired on November 11, 2011.

    Originally from Henderson, Kentucky, Judge King earned his undergraduate degree from Emory University and both his law degree and masters of public administration from the University of Kentucky. As a partner in Stout, Farmer, & King, his practice included criminal and civil law, and he represented plaintiffs and defendants in a broad array of civil cases, served as mediator for civil cases, and represented claimants in Social Security Disability claims. He has served as an assistant Commonwealth Attorney and as conflict counsel for the Department of Public Advocacy. He also served as a hearings officer for the Kentucky Board of Claims and the Kentucky Department of Juvenile Justice."

    http://www.law.uky.edu/index.php?nid=121

    "About the Conference:

    Significant natural and man-made disasters have inflicted devastation on countries and their populations across the globe. Somalis have suffered from war, drought, and famine, and fleeing Somalis seeking refuge in Kenya have endured rapes and other unspeakable violence in epidemic proportions. Monsoons and floods have wreaked havoc for Pakistanis. Japanese, Sumatrans, Indians, and others have been subjected to the deadly forces of tsunamis, wiping away entire communities and their residents. Earthquakes have rocked Haiti, Japan, and the United States, killing many and leaving others homeless. Political groups have massacred Rwandans en mass in civil war insurgents have amputated limbs, raped, and executed Sierra Leoneans and Chad has been the center of conflict wrought by religious rebels. Wars have torn apart infrastructures and the fabric of societies in Middle East countries, Sudan, and Afghanistan.

    Over many years, the United States government, its executive and independent agencies, and nonprofit humanitarian organizations have assumed vital roles in providing disaster relief to victims of innumerable natural and man-made disasters. Their ability to respond and operate diplomatically, quickly, efficiently, and effectively has been impacted not only by financial and human resource capacities, but also by domestic, international, and foreign laws and policies, politics, and infrastructures. This conference presents perspectives and insights as to problems that face several notable governmental and non-governmental actors – the United States military, the United States Agency for International Development, and nonprofit humanitarian relief organizations – and how laws, policies, politics, and infrastructures help and hinder disaster relief responses and interactions among responders, perhaps especially those with responsibilities for providing initial assistance."

    Does anyone want to argue that law schools teach practical skills?!?!

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  23. Perhaps instead of offering bullshit courses in "Equine Law," this toilet should teach Tax law to its students. Had they taught this UK Law School alumna how to pay her taxes, maybe she would still be a licensed attorney:

    http://www.maysville-online.com/news/local/article_7042256e-040f-11e1-8e0d-001cc4c002e0.html

    I also found this other UK Law alum who apparently stole from his clients:

    http://www.topix.com/forum/city/bowling-green-ky/THDM07PRP8EE74EOS

    So they don't emphasize Tax law or ethics but they do offer Equine Law? How much are these suckers paying a year to learn horse law?

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  24. Nando, check out this piece published by LSU:

    http://faculty.law.lsu.edu/ccorcos/Student%20Services/What%20Else%20You%20Can%20Do%20With%20a%20Law%20Degree.htm

    Look at all the wonderful things you can do with a JD. My favorite is you can be Royalty with a JD.

    Fuck, if lemmings eat up this crap, no wonder they are getting ripped off and asking for seconds.

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  25. Get LSU. The football team played like shit in the BCS title game. Geaux get 'em!

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  26. just sent this to BC law career office.

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  27. Law school is a total waste of time. I wish that I could get those years back. Law school is designed in a stupid way. The bar exam is also a waste of time. I could have been enjoying my life.

    Instead, I bought into the myth of delayed gratification. No gratification ever followed! I could boil down the information obtained in law school into a one week course.

    The bar exam is just a two day misery fest, that just eats up more of your life. What if you just wanted to practice immigration law or bankruptcy? There are no sections on the bar exam for these two subjects.

    I love how when you enter the profession you are allowed to provide any legal service. Neither law school nor the bar exam prepare someone to practice law. The warning and the extent of training from the state bar for someone that tries something is don't make a mistake or you are subject to discipline.

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  28. I always said that I would rather be a member of the Waffen SS than a member of a Bar. SS genuinely believed in what they were doing. Scumbags in the state Bars know full well what a sewage this "noble profession" is. They are participating in the scam called "governance" and "practice of law" just for money. Pure and simple. And by extorting from lawyers they are making annually much more while doing much less than any of the so-called law skools. Even the church gives you some bullshit about afterlife in return for your money. The puke in the state Bars give us nothing, they only take away.

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  29. How many law schools have you gone after so far? It must be a lot, but you also haven't even touched many of them.

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  30. @8:42 pm,

    I have featured 101 piece of trash law schools on this blog. As it stands, 97 ABA approved garbage pits remain. Then again, the ABA might accredit more toilets before I profile all of these dung heaps.

    Is anyone finding it difficult to post on this blog? Apparently, Blogger no longer supports older web browsers, such as Windows Vista. When I left the comments embedded under the main entry, many could not access or view the remarks. Please let me know, by emailing me. Thanks!

    I was concerned that I would need to update my Blogger template. I realize that many have also complained that it is difficult to read the entries in Google Reader. Others do not like the layout. At this point in time, I feel that this blog should keep the same design.

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  31. i've been reading this blog a long time (maybe since Sept 2010). i thought Equine Law was a running joke like Colonel Sander's posts. I just decided to Equine Law just to verify it. i cannot believe that this shit is real

    http://www.concordlawschool.edu/pursuing-passion.asp

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  41. Nando hates America.

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  48. I think you need to get a life. If you hate law school so much, forget about it and move on.

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  49. As a UK Law student, I have to take issue with this blog entry. The writer completely neglected to mention the atrocious facilities at UK. However, the school will continue to lure students in with a mythical new law building that we will never see in our lifetimes.
    Go CAYUTS!

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  53. The deleted comments above came from hypersensitive pussies, pathetic waste piles and slimy cockroaches attending the University of Kentucky Commode of Law. Apparently, racists and waterheads can get into law school. Then again, this one is located in the American South.

    http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/rupp.html

    “Adolph Rupp coached the Kentucky Wildcats from 1930 to 1972. During that time, he won an unprecedented 876 victories, winning four national championships, twenty-seven SEC championships (82.2% winning) and turning Kentucky into one of the greatest collegiate basketball programs of all time.

    One of the most memorable and important games during Rupp's career was the 1966 championship game against Texas Western (now University of Texas-El Paso). That game marked the first occurrence that an all-white starting five (Kentucky) played an all-black starting five (Texas Western) in the championship game. Texas Western won the game in a hard-fought victory, 72-65. This was especially significant as it came at a time when the civil rights movement came into full swing around the country.”

    You might remember the University of Kentucky as the school that WORSHIPS the avowed ass-hat named Adolf Frederick Rupp. His name could not fit any better, huh? Keep in mind that UK basketball fans would praise a convicted child molester, if he coached the men's basketball team to a few Final Four appearances. Look up “Adolf Rupp point shaving scandal 1951,” when you have a moment. What a classy organization, right?!

    Last year, the men’s team lost to essentially an all-black team in UConn, during the Final Four. It’s a shame, as they likely would have lost to Butler in the national title game, had they managed to defeat UConn. I’m sure that Rupp was rolling over in his grave, after seeing that transpire. Of course, mindless hags and apologist pigs will defend this man’s actions, to the bitter end. (As longtime head coach of the top program in the nation, the bastard could have set the standard - and allowed black players on his team.)

    These rubes truly are slow. Hell, this entry was posted on January 13, 2012. The retards did not catch on, until this afternoon. Apparently, the morons and cretins have not yet received all of their grades, from last semester. Good luck trying to drop out, and collecting a full tuition refund for Spring 2012, bitches.

    By the way, I can see that the mob “mentality” is still alive and well, in your neck of the woods. With such rampant hate and idiocy in place, no wonder that Kentucky saw its fair share of lynch victims.

    http://www.americanlynching.com/treatment.htm

    Of course, today’s ignorant, white trash University of Kentucky fans and students apparently see no problem cheering for a bunch of black athletes and corrupt coaches. The retards are not aware of their own racist history. Learn how to put together a few coherent sentences, when making an “argument,” Kentucky morons.

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  55. Attacking a dead man who can't defend himself while maintaining anonymity? Gotcha, Nando.

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  56. We got our grades last week, but guess what? We're not whining about it, because we know that grades are OUR responsibility, not UK's.

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  57. To the cockroach who posted at 6:06 pm,

    YOU be a man, and do some research. Then grow a pair of balls, and back up your "argument" with the facts. When inbred white trash posts racist comments on this blog, they will be deleted. If you have a problem with that, then you need to have your head examined.

    Also, drop the knee-jerk reactions to a post that hurts your little feelings. That would help you become a man. The mob "mindset" has no place in an adult conversation. Notice that even the morons at this dump are not defending William T. Robinson III's acerbic comments.

    @6:10,

    Adolf Frederick Rupp built his own reputation, after a long life on this earth. He showed no integrity or imagination, when he had the chance.

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  58. It will be so nice to sign your paychecks in 2 years

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  59. Did you know that he coached several African-American players while he was a high school coach in Illinois? Rupp wanted to recruit black players at UK but sadly informed their families that he could not insure their safety when they played schools like Ole Miss. Rupp didn't believe in an ideology; he simply wanted to win. It was the unfortunate sign of the pre-Civil Rights era.

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  62. Keep making excuses for the pig's conduct. I'm sure the school's board of trustees would have tossed him out on his ass, if he had signed a few black players. If the "legendary" coach was committed to the idea, he could have willed the school to provide extra security.

    http://www.uky.edu/Trustees/index.html

    As of January 2012, two members of the UK Board of Trustees - out of a total of 19 - are black. Yes, Kentucky is a beacon of progress and forward-thinking, right?!?!

    To the piece of trash who posted on January 19, 2012 at 6:18 pm,

    First, YOU need to concentrate on finding a job, bitch. Have fun in Contracts II, and enjoy another semester of Civ Pro. When you graduate into a further glutted job market, don't say that you were not warned.

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  66. There were some racist and sexual commentws posted here by the UK student mob. People, whether you like it or not this blog has credibility. He's not going to concede that the school is good. And you guys aren;t going to get over your inferiority complex.

    When you disagree with someone and tell someone to go fuck themself or that they're a fucking moron, you make the school look bad. For accepting shitbags like you in the first place. Who wants to hire from a school where students can't make a point with saying fuck fuck fucking fuck?

    Grow up and move on. If I could do it over again, I know for a fact I wouldn't have gone to this school.

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  67. Wait, can someone explain to me what race and basketball have to do with law school? I'm lost.

    Relevance (n.) - the relation of something to the matter at hand, having a bearing or connection to the subject at issue

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  70. I am a 3L and have a job lined up for when I graduate. I mean, it may not be as lucrative as your swanky "barista" gig, but it's a job.

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  72. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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  74. This recent wave of ignorant, false comments - from law students who had their feelings hurt - is a great example of collective mental illness in action.

    To the ultra-sensitive Univer$iTTy of KenTTucky Commode of Law cretins above, I have never worked as a barista, janitor, or in any food service industry. Good luck trying to collect from broke-ass criminal defendant clients - and trying to find decent health insurance. Focus on your meaningless classes. After all, you have taken out significant student debt in order to do learn from failed lawyers masquerading as "scholars." Listen to those ass-clowns bloviate on their favorite topics and pet political causes.

    In your narrow minds, anyone who mentions that law school is a scam MUST be living in his parents’ basement. FACT: I have not lived with my parents, since age 18. I also have a mortgage, a halfway decent job, a wife, and good benefits. Also, I did not take out monstrous student loans to attend law school. In fact, I received a full-tuition scholarship, for all three years. As a result, I only incurred an additional $37K in student loans, for living expenses. By the way, the term “third tier toilet” or TTT has been used for decades to describe low-ranked universities and graduate programs, particularly law schools. I have simply connected a visual to this term.

    In your mob “mentality,” anyone who criticizes American “legal education” MUST be a kook. Do some cursory research, and you will see that sitting judges, certain “law professors,” retired and active lawyers, bar association presidents, and social commentators have documented that law school is now a poor investment - for most students. If you are too lazy to look up these articles, then don’t act as if you know what you are talking about. Most of the UK fools posting on here are too ignorant and emotionally invested, to make a cogent argument.

    Instead of trying to rely on facts and logic, the butt-hurt UK crowd of morons prefers to scream and try to shout down those who have done research. In the end, this is a stinging indictment on the pathetic state of U.S. "higher education." Explaining such easy concepts to retards is nearly akin to another full-time job.

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  75. My brother went to a (gasp!) Fourth Tier law school and now has his own law firm, making more money than you ever will. What's your excuse?

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  76. Oh hi, Nando. Though I appreciate you calling me a white trash moron for attending UK Law, I will be working at a law firm next year and making $160K. Because of UK, I will have almost no debt coming out. I have received a full legal education, and I have also enjoyed it. Though you mock the professors, they are serious scholars who care about their students, and I have been impressed by the faculty since my arrival here. The legal market is tough, but the same rule applies to the study and practice of law as applies anywhere else: dedication and hard work will eventually be rewarded. It does little good to blame the entire institution for your own individual failings. It has always been the case that law schools have taught how to "think" like a lawyer rather than how to practice. If you have all the fundamentals, though, practice comes fairly easily with the right mentors. I am anticipating a quick deletion of this comment (or some unsavory response), so enjoy moonlighting as a writer of inflammatory blogs while working at your non-legal job.

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  77. Nando

    Don't argue with a group of idiots. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with sheer numbers and shouting.

    Maybe I'm the only UK law student to understand why you use pictures of shit. It seems pretty straightforward to me. Anyway, unlike the shitbags I go to school with I do have a life. Have a good night. There are schools out there that are worse than this school, which is a piece of shit. Regardless of what the idiots say.

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  79. I graduate from this toilet law school in less than 4 months. I am in the top half of my class. I don't have shit lined up. Whose dick did you suck, 7:18?

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  81. @ 7:18- You have no obligation to continue. If you hate it that bad, do yourself a favor and leave.

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  82. I was 7:22 not 7:18. 7:18 is the guy that blew his uncle for a law firm job.

    It's 10:35 here in Lexington. Get a fucking life people. And for the guy wanting me to drop out. I already dropped $80K in loans for this degree asshole.

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  83. Let's be real, top half? Don't throw that around like your hot shit and you deserve a big firm job.

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  84. Do the the WORLD a favor and drop out. Nobody will miss you. In fact, nobody in Kentucky will respect you after you graduate.

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  85. When did I say I was top half? That's nothing to get excited about anyway. Even if it is at this second tier school. So you're admitting the school took in too many students in the first place then?

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  87. I'm glad someone finally trashed this school. I know its a tough pill for current law students to swallow.

    The reaction shows the school is shit. You think Harvard students would cry on here if nando said it was a toilet? UK law students know their school is shit. Or else they wouldn't give this blog the time of day. It's pretty clear UK students have been here nonstop today.

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  88. Who is this UK student trashing their own school? Be a man and tell everybody who you are.

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  89. I graduate from this toilet law school in less than 4 months. I am in the top half of my class. I don't have shit lined up. Whose dick did you suck, 7:18?
    January 19, 2012 7:22 PM

    I believe this says top half.

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  90. I know Westin was accused of mismanaging a singer's money. He was sued a while back over that. And he's training students to know tax.

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  91. Based on your grammar/sentence structure/overall fluidity of your comment, your comment holds no weight. Please leave.

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  92. The common characteristic among many UK students who cannot find jobs is that they have an absolutely atrocious personality, one that shines through in interviews with employers and everyone else. Looking good on paper is enough to get the interview, but it does not overcome an inability to come across as a normal human being to others.

    Then again, it's probably easier to blame the administration, professors, ABA, and (amazingly) the actual cinder blocks that comprise the law building. So, SCREW YOU DEAN BRENNEN!!!

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  93. This is not supposed to be an airing of grievances among UK students. This Nando character is probably cackling to himself about what is going on right now.

    I'm sorry law school (and UK law) has not turned out the way that everyone hoped, but it has been a great experience for many people. I do not want people to drop out or shut up or anything. If people expressed the same amount of energy trying to collectively effect change at UK Law as they do bashing it, real change would be possible.

    For me personally, I love UK Law and I wouldn't trade it for any other school.

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  94. I’m a 2L here. I’m too tired and busy to bother commenting other than this one time or to check my sentence structure and grammar. Anyway, I thought about dropping out last semester. What's it say about law school in general when students feel they need to graduate top 1/3 of the class just to have a chance at getting a good job? I mean this is the best law school in the state. It's not great, but it's better than Brandeis and Chase. And here we are knowing in our bones we need to excel just to have a chance. I don't see med students killing themselves to be top 10%. This discussion is depressing and I just skimmed the comments. The main article has some good points, and now my nerves are shot. It's a little over the top, but the info wasn't made up. Click on the links. UK is the one saying the median starting salary is $45,000 and $55,000 for law firm associates. The school is the one saying only 2/3 gave salary data. US News ranks our school as 71, not this guy. The numbers stink. And they weren't pulled out of a hat or out of thin air. I'm looking at $60,000 at least in total loans, when all is said and done and i have my degree. I could use some more alcohol and some help finding a job. Getting mad at fellow students or pissed off bloggers is not going to change anything.

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  95. I think most of our problems with Nando is that he deletes comments that disagree with him.

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  96. Bottom line: $45,000 for overall median salary for an entire class is shit for a law school. It would've been even shittier if it included the $0 incomes of unemployed lawyers. If the whole class had reported income, my guess is it would've been lower still. Other schools just flat out lie and say their grads are making $110K on average out of law school. Pick your poison.

    Get mad at these shitty results, not at the people pointing this out. You can't blame law students if they consider dropping out. It's reasonable to second guess themselves when they see how slim their odds are.

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  97. The message this blogger is trying to get out is absolutely true. For those of us who can't coast through on mommy and daddy's dime, or those of us without pre-existing legal connections, the law school gamble has become a reckless one. However, it doesn't change the fact that this guy is a bitter douchebag. I see no reason to delete these comments, as I am sure that they were all made by defensive UK law students eager to stick up for the comically overpaid professors at UK law, and only serve to reiterate the blogger's point. Granted, I happen to think that the profs here are decent enough, and that they can't be faulted for capitalizing on a flawed system that takes advantage of students. That said, anyone who has been duped by the law schools and their shady practices has only themselves to blame for failing to see the writing on the wall.

    A blog/website, etc. espousing a similar message could have the positive effect of making poor unsuspecting undergrads think long and hard before dropping big $$$ on law school. However, the immaturity displayed here only destroys any credibility this nando guy could hope to have. And the immaturity definitely extends to the UK folks who are so defensive of a terrible system and a law school that only cares about its bottom line.


    I do just fine in school, and I'm pretty confident that I'll find a decent job. God willing, I will be able to pay off my debt one day!
    However, I do kick myself everyday for buying into any branch of the University of Kentucky, an institution that only serves to bleed the state dry (not to mention the fact that Lexington is a depressing shithole) But I don't blame anyone but myself. I take total responsibility for my bad choices, as should anyone else who finds themselves in this miserable place.

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  98. Your salary after law school is a reflection of your grades and where you work. Lexington is not a large town and isn't going to support the same salary as a larger city, like New York. Basically, no one makes $160,000 starting out in Lexington. Almost no one makes $100,000 starting out in Lexington even if they are in the top of your class because the economy here just wouldn't support that. I also think it is valuable to consider the rural nature of Kentucky when evaluating starting salaries at UK. Not everyone stays in Lexington or Louisville. Smaller cities mean smaller salaries starting out. That doesn't mean our salaries stay this small over time. The more experience you get, the more money you earn. This isn't new.

    And on that note, our professors are not comically overpaid. The professors named in this article have been at this school many years and are very talented educators. Unfortunately, when UK is compared with many similiar schools are professors are actually underpaid. If you go to this school, you will notice that many of our young talented professors leave or are always at risk for leaving. Why shouldn't they? They deserve more money.

    The numbers coming out of UK ( including our tuition increases) make perfect sense if you go to this school and know this state. We have to invest in our school to make it better.That doesn't mean that legal education, legal profession, or UK is perfect. They aren't, but I do know UK isn't a "toilet", Lexington and Kentucky are not "shitholes" , and that I am proud of my fellow students for defending our school. I also know that if I hear one more person complain about our building without actually contributing to the building fund themselves, I might scream. Go Cats! Go Big Blue!

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  99. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html

    From September 24, 2007, the conservative Wall Street Journal published a piece entitled “Hard Case: Job Market Wanes for U.S. Lawyers.”

    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/09/02/another-view-lock-the-law-school-doors/

    From September 2, 2009:

    “Dan Slater, a former litigator, argues that there are too many places at too many law schools, especially with the current hiring slump at law firms.”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2009/11/13/mamas-dont-let-your-babies-grow-up-to-be-lawyers/

    From November 13, 2009, the WSJ published an article highlighting Vanderbilt Law professor Herwig Schlunk’s economic paper, which concludes that law school is not a good investment for most students.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/08/opinion/la-oe-greenbaum8-2010jan08

    Look at this critical – and accurate – op-ed piece in the LA Times, from January 8, 2010. In the end, look at the sources I cited – and compare them to your idiotic assumptions, assertions, and suppositions.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html?_r=3

    Check out this piece, from NYT reporter David Segal. It is from January 8, 2011 and is entitled, “Is Law School a Losing Game?” If you even bother to read the article, you will see some choice quotes from law professor William Henderson at Indiana University. He has noted the bi-modal distribution of recent JDs. Unlike you, an ignorant law student, he knows what he is talking about.

    On page 2 of this article:

    “Avoid this overpriced sewer pit as if your life depended on it,” writes the anonymous author of the blog Third Tier Reality — a reference to the second-to-bottom tier of the U.S. News rankings — in a typically scatological review. “Unless, of course, you think that you will be better off with $110k-$190k in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a degree that qualifies you to wait tables at the Battery Park Bar and Lounge.”

    This story appeared on the front page of the New York Times Business section, on the Sunday edition. The reporter later emailed me, and informed me that the NYT rarely cites to anonymous bloggers. How is that for credibility?

    http://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2010/07/29/best-of-the-blogs-4/

    Back on July 30, 2010 at 9:24 pm, Professor J. Gordon Hylton at Marquette Law School wrote the following, about Third Tier Reality:

    “For a thought-provoking (and sobering) blog devoted to the realities of legal education in the 21st century, one should check out Third Tier Reality

    http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2010/07/public-law-chool-alarie-univerity-of.html”

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  100. Any credibility that is gained by being tied in NYT is immediately negated by being cited for a "typically scatological review."

    Why don't you spend your time watching two girls one cup to satisfy your scatological infatuation unstead of consistently bitching and blaming everyone else for your personal professional short comings.

    That is all.

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  101. To the crybaby University of Kentucky pussycats who are complaining that I have removed certain comments:

    I don’t mind a disagreement. However, you need to be prepared to back up your claims with the facts. If you cannot do so, and merely want to vent your personal frustrations or engage in asinine projection, then you WILL be handled firmly on this blog. As you are aware by now, I am not going to cave in to a group of highly-sensitive, emotional, bitter, passionate law students – who are upset with their decision and personal failures. My case rests solidly on facts and logic, where you are directed by anger and cloudy judgment.

    If I can handle a heated argument or discussion with my wife and co-workers, then I do not mind educating ignorant-ass Second Tier University of Kentucky law students. Ask a highly skilled chess master if he has difficulty playing against ignorant or weak players. (He might admit that it can be frustrating when he constantly needs to point out that his opponent cannot make certain moves, on the board. However, he will not have any problem dispatching the other player.)

    When morons rely entirely on personal attacks, lies and vulgarities to make their points, then it is CLEAR that they have no argument and no case. Such comments will be deleted, as a typical ten year old child could better state his position, and support his arguments.

    If you are hurt by this situation, then go ahead a file an action alleging that your First Amendment rights to express yourself have been violated. Before any of you aborted lawyers does so, know that this would be futile – and would only manage to cause everyone to laugh at your expense.

    In the final analysis, I am not the one charging $18,306 in annual in-state tuition – or $31,716 for non-residents – for those attending this dung heap on a full-time basis. I am not billing such amounts, for anemic student outcomes. Furthermore, I am not pumping out too many law grads than the local, state or national economy can bear, cretins.

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/the-lawyer-surplus-state-by-state/

    From the June 27, 2011 edition of the New York Times Economix blog:

    “According to this model, every state but Wisconsin and Nebraska (plus Washington, D.C.) is producing many more lawyers than it needs. (See table after the jump for full data, and additional caveats.)

    In fact, across the country, there were twice as many people who passed the bar in 2009 (53,508) as there were openings (26,239).”

    The figures were crunched by Economic Modeling Specialists Inc., i.e. people with about 60-70 IQ points on the average (emotional bitch) law student. Based on this chart, the State of Kentucky will have an estimated 261 annual job openings for lawyers, from 2010-2015. However, 478 people successfully passed the Kentucky bar exam in 2009. This represents an annual surplus of 217 attorneys, in the state. Keep in mind that three law schools are located in Kentucky, while graduates from other schools and areas will also take the bar exam. Good luck, and quit crying. Be an adult and face reality.

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  102. Look, the idiot at 6:30 am learned a new word today! He is already proudly using this term. Why don't you contact David Segal at the NYT, and ask him what he thinks of this blog, dung beetle?!

    "Your salary after law school is a reflection of your grades and where you work. Lexington is not a large town and isn't going to support the same salary as a larger city, like New York. Basically, no one makes $160,000 starting out in Lexington. Almost no one makes $100,000 starting out in Lexington even if they are in the top of your class because the economy here just wouldn't support that. I also think it is valuable to consider the rural nature of Kentucky when evaluating starting salaries at UK. Not everyone stays in Lexington or Louisville. Smaller cities mean smaller salaries starting out. That doesn't mean our salaries stay this small over time. The more experience you get, the more money you earn. This isn't new."

    Those attending this public toilet are not going to make $160K, coming out of here - at any location. Why would a New York or DC Biglaw firm hire a recent grad from the Univer$iTTy of KenTTucky, when they can hire from the best law schools, in the nation?! Hell, there are several top-flight schools, located in the Northeast. Frankly, an NYC large firm would take a top student at a New York TTT or TTTT before they would even look at the top student at UK. At least, the former would know the city and be familiar with the area, work environment and culture. Plus, he would presumably have some decent contacts in the NYC market. What does a UK grad bring to the table, other than a weird infatuation with Ugly John Calipari - and a passion for Kentucky basketball?!?!

    For $ome rea$on, the state of Kentucky can support/afford to pay its tenured "law professors" handsomely. Could you imagine if medical and dental schools relied on failed physicians and dentists to teach future practitioners?!?!

    A brief explanation for the ignorant bastards attending this trash pit: doctors typically go on sabbatical, in order to teach at medical schools. Their medical school compensation does not represent the bulk of their income. Furthermore, these men and women have proven themselves to be competent and professional in their field, over the course of years or decades, of private practice.

    If you prefer to defend the pigs who are leading you to a lifetime of debt servitude, then go ahead. No one is stopping you from being a dumbass.

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  103. You are funny. Several of our top students are going to firms in New York and Nashville. So ,yes, they do look at us. And, from what I can tell every single person in our school has a better attitude than you..so we bring at least that to the table.

    And the Professors you named have worked for great firms across the country and have argued in front of the SCOTUS. They are not failed.

    Stop being so bitter and hateful. It isn't good for your health.

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  104. Ah, yes. It is the current UK students that are emotional, bitter and highly-sensitive. By no means are these the sentiment on which nando, and this blog as a whole are build upon.

    Ps. Replacing an s with a dollar sign is purely childish and only tends to further weaken your argument an credibility.

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  109. What is with UK law students not knowing basic sentence structure or grammar? I guess any retard can get into law school nowadays.

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  110. But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also (Matthew 5:39)

    Nando, you might want to heed these words.

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  111. @9:19 What's up with using the word "retard"? Shame on you.

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  114. Nando, you blatantly misrepresent facts and statistics to "prove" your point, and then call people who disagree with you obscene names. Which begs the question: are you really Ann Coulter?

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  115. I bet this site was better in the original German.

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  117. The most power you'll ever have is the ability to delete posts disagreeing with your viewpoint. While I can't argue with you deleting posts that are simply "fuck you" or the like, there has been no foul language, you've deleted many posts that were not simply name calling and personal attacks, some of which made good points in the same smart ass tone you've used throughout. You're much of a hypocrite in that you don't welcome name calling or personal attacks yet you've had no problem dishing it out to the other side.

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  118. So Nando can say as many obscene, hateful things as he likes, but he can't take it when people do the same?

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    The most power you'll ever have is the ability to delete posts disagreeing with your viewpoint. While I can't argue with you deleting posts that are simply "fuck you" or the like, you've deleted many posts that were not simply name calling and personal attacks, some of which made good points in the same smart ass tone you've used throughout. You're much of a hypocrite in that you don't welcome name calling or personal attacks yet you've had no problem dishing it out to the other side.

    Additionally, I do not think personal opinions of current and former students can be considered baseless. Their perception of the education they are or have received is very important in the evaluation of a school. Betting that you've never visited UK, sat in on a class, interacted with students in the academic setting, or the professors who you claim are too highly compensated, you're viewpoint is also limited.

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  121. Don't worry about these kids. They are mad mostly because they went to law school, worked their tails off, and now can't find employment. Some of them really needed a big salary too, so they could get a girl or pay their student loans.
    They are in law school, which means they have plenty of time to goof around and play Solitaire while the professors drone on and on and on about meaningless shit.

    I'm sure some of these same boys and girls will later on say to themselves "You know, people tried to tell this was a bad path, but I didn't listen because I knew better." Then they'll climb into their 15 year old Ford Windstar after another day of selling Allstate insurance premiums. The joke's on them. They're just too fucking stupid to realize it yet. Good on you for laying it out there.

    Today's kids have been coddled and can't handle the truth. Just realize that next time you rip into their precious schools. All they have is their paper diplomas to base their self esteem on. You've seen that in spades.

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  122. @ 10:30 I'm a 2L, and I already have a job lined up. What do you do for a living?

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  123. Who wants to hire a bunch of fools who can't go two sentences without saying, "Nuh-uh man. Your wrong. Fuck you." and then never provide anything to back up what they say? At least you do that. It looks like we have a bunch of people on one side getting whipped by one guy. That should be a lesson to these assholes that want to practice law. If you don't have any facts, you're going to lose every argument even if you have the numbers on your side.

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  128. Statistics are no substitute for judgment! Without context, your stats are meaningless! The average household income in Ky in 2009 was roughly 40,000...a UK Law Graduate makes on average 45,000 STARTING OUT...assuming no spouse....Sure, that income would be awful in New York. We don't live in NY!

    Did you expect to drive a Ferrari to your first job or something?

    Why don't you have a blog with some effective criticisms? Why don't you get some meaningful numbers?

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  129. Look at the pathetic sentence structure and "arguments" produced by supposed law students at 71st-ranked University of Kentucky:

    "Statistics are no substitute for judgment! Without context, your stats are meaningless! The average household income in Ky in 2009 was roughly 40,000...a UK Law Graduate makes on average 45,000 STARTING OUT...assuming no spouse....Sure, that income would be awful in New York. We don't live in NY!"

    Why don't you stick your fingers in your ears, and say "Your stats are meaningless" three times, in rapid succession? TAKE STUDENT DEBT INTO ACCOUNT, MORON! How many Kentucky households, without a college-educated member, need to worry about monthly payments of $400-$1,000 - toward a NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt?!?!

    "Did you expect to drive a Ferrari to your first job or something?"

    Let me shove your straw man argument up your ass, bitch. Did anyone mention a Ferrari, on this entry? How many law students really expect such outcomes? Perhaps, some students attending schools with elite name brands, such as Harvard or University of Chicago, might anticipate driving such a car to their first job. Grow up, cockroach. You come across as a "law professor" who hates his students so much that he needs to come up with justifications for their failures.

    "Why don't you have a blog with some effective criticisms? Why don't you get some meaningful numbers?"

    I cite to numbers and figures from the ABA, NALP, the law schools, reliable studies, and the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, in making my case, ass-clown. This blog has been cited in at least four law review articles, the New York Times, Slate, ABA Law Journal, and several other sources. You can look that up, cretins. Then again, you waterheads are apparently unwilling or unable to click on the links that I have already provided. After all, viewing those legitimate sources might put a damper on your delusions.

    In the end, I have a full-time job, solid benefits, a nice home in a good neighborhood, a spouse, and I can put food in the fridge and pay the bills. The law students posting from Lexington do not have jobs. Plus, I received a full-tuition scholarship to attend law school. As a result, my debt from that institution is minimal - for a law student.

    Others have pointed out, in different entries and forums, that I can get away with invective because I strongly rely on facts, charts, graphs, industry statements, etc. When you produce quality work, you get some allowances. Why do you think that NBA refs rarely call superstars for traveling?! Do you think FIDE hammered Garry Kasparov, for his harsh comments and sometimes abrasive personality? (They only became upset, when he set up a rival chess organization.)

    When you are dealing with or interacting with losers, pigs, dogs, cockroaches, and ignorant trash – i.e. ultrasensitive, pathetic bitch University of Kentucky law students who cannot grasp basic facts, about the legal job market – it is okay to admonish them. When one attempts to communicate with reason and logic, but the respondent has CLEARLY shown that he or she is not capable of engaging in such discourse or dialogue, one’s patience wears thin. This is why I have thoroughly handled the UK mob. Have fun hearing back from temp hag agencies, delivering pizzas, and changing oil.

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  130. UT Law LW'08. Go Vols.

    It's probably only a matter of time before this blog gets to my beloved school. That aside, I landed a sweet gig after law school. I just recently left (about 6 months ago) that place and now work for the government. Law school isn't for everyone. Neither is big firm practice. I'd rather go to my son's teeball games than work 80 hour weeks for greedy asshole law firm partners who don't give a shit if I die under the stress. Before any ignorant shitbag law students (I'm looking at you, angry UK asshole) tell me I don't have what it takes, fuck your mother in the asshole. With a broom stick. I served in the military for 5 years and have done hard labor. I've seen things you guys couldn't imagine. So shut the fuck up and listen.

    All this talk of flagship schools and rankings makes me laugh. If you want to practice law, go to the best law school in that state. I've seen too many dummies turn down scholarship money at an in state school to pay sticker at a top 20 law school. It doesn't dawn on the students that typical Alabama firms (which is most law firms) will usually hire a UA grad over someone with a JD from Georgetown or Duke. Same thing goes for Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia...

    Having said all that, let me just add this. The University of Kentucky has a piece of shit law school. The people in that state and the region know it. So do the angry pissants who are losing their minds over a fucking blog posting. That's why they're so mad. If you don't mind breaking your back for 7 years in school, and making $40K when you pass the bar, then go to UK. They'll be happy to take your money.

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  131. I am in New York and I had never met a UKentucky educated lawyer. Now I know why. It appears this school has lowered its standards to just taking anyone who has a pulse and can qualify for student loans. Next time my horse gets molested by his handler, I will make sure to call a equine law specialist from the class of 1980 or earlier because these kids have shit for brains.

    NYC Hiring Partner

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  132. I have often heard it said (here in New York) that there are people in the South that are: "Still fighting the Civil War."

    I can only imagine the anachronistic attitudes that some of these "Good old boys" have, especially as they attend one of their revered institutions of higher learning that New Yorkers couldn't give two hoots and a holler about. We got lots and lots of Colleges and Universities around here--too many- and lots and lots of other things to do and think about.

    What the racist commenter(s)that have had their posts deleted by Nando fail to realize is that the Law School Scam is a nationwide problem.

    Taxpayer dollars, in the form of student loans, are being dumped into the law schools and Higher Ed in general with no end in sight, and with the taxpayer picking up the tab when the student winds up in an oversaturated job market and can't get a job to pay the loan back.

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  133. University of Kentucky shitbags got OWNED! Head here to see what happens when you fuck with the witty man with the microphone:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGTr9LXxXvQ

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  134. Hello, University of Kentucky Commode of Law ass-hats. You can see that KENTUCKY IS THE THIRD POOREST STATE, IN THE ENTIRE UNION!!

    http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/moneyinvesting/news/poorest-states-america?obref=obinsite

    “We rounded up the 10 states that have the most people living in poverty, by percentage of the total population, as well as Census data showing how many more people have fallen into poverty during the last year in each of these states. The numbers are based on annual surveys of households across the country conducted by the Census Bureau, adjusted each year for changes in the cost of living, as reflected in the Consumer Price Index.”

    Click on the Next tab a few times, and you will see the following:

    "3rd Poorest State: Kentucky

    Total residents living in poverty in 2009: 777,295 (18.6% of population)
    Increase from previous year: 59,203 residents"

    At least, your state is "better off" than Arkansas and Mississippi. I can see why so many angry, hostile comments came from students of the Univer$iTTy of KenTTucky College of Law. Poor white trash gets upset, when others point out the financial reality of the situation.

    Have fun representing broke-ass criminal defendants, crackheads, deadbeat fathers, and mothers - with $20 to their names - who are seeking sole custody of their children. By the way, you losers will essentially be required to continue as the attorney of record, even if the client can no longer pay for your services. Judges will not grant your motion to withdraw as counsel, if it based on the lack of payment. In that case, you will pray that the client no longer responds to your phone calls, so that you can bolster your motion.

    Lastly, I decided to flush your toilet law school, due to the disgusting remarks from UK Law alum and current ABA "president" William T. Robinson III. Direct your white-hot passion, boiling emotions, frustrations with your failures at life, and lack of facts at him! After all, the pig brought this dung heap to my attention.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-usa-lawyersjoblessl1e8c46u8-20120104,0,1292258.story?page=1

    “Young lawyers with huge educational debts and no jobs in a depressed U.S. legal market should have known what they were getting into, the president of the American Bar Association said on Wednesday.”

    As a tenured law professor once told me by phone, "Buyer beware doesn't mean that you get to lie." Apparently, William T. Robinson III doesn't understand that concept.

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  135. UK is a shithole. So is the state. And it is one of the poorest states in the Union. (Yeah, that's right, cocksuckers: you're part of the union, not confederacy.) I only skimmed the comments. But from what I gathered, a bunch of law students got their little feelings hurt 'cause someone pointed out their school sucks.

    Someone pointed out that NYC and Nashville firms (both of these are big cities? really?) hires UK grads. But he didn't name any big NYC firms that actually hire these students. There's no reason for NYC Biglaw to hire from rural schools. If you went to a T14 in California, you probably shouldn't waster your time applying to Boston and New York firms. There's plenty of strong schools in NYC to hire from, without bringing in trash from Kentucky.

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  136. You guys must be poor.

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  137. Nando, I know this post is ancient, but you are spot on. As a person born in the state that I affectionately refer to as the inbred child of Tennessee and Ohio, I personally couldn't have described the average Kentuckian any better myself. Oy vey, kids these days and their whining, it flummoxes me so much. If you want to make money in law, work your ass off and go to fucking Harvard, Yale, Stanford, or at least a decent tier 1 for G-d's sake, and that's only if you get a reasonable scholarship. Otherwise, go into engineering, medicine, or something else with low rates of unemployment and a nearly guaranteed higher income! Law school admins are crooks and even the worst law school's president will try to dupe some rube into thinking they can be a millionaire lawyer someday just by digging themselves into debt up to their eyeballs and wasting three years of their life taking courses at a diploma mill.

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