Tuesday, March 6, 2012

Second Tier Superfund Site: Rutgers School of Law-Newark

Today, we visit the festering sewer/urban blight known as Newark, New Jersey. You may have noticed that Rutgers has been in the news, after some of its undergrad students - including a slimy cockroach named Dharun Ravi - spied on and videotaped a gay student in his own dorm room. The victim later committed suicide.


Tuition: New Jersey residents attending this dung heap – on a full-time basis – will be charged $22,746 in tuition, for 2011-2012. Out-of-state full time law students at this trash pit will face $34,010 - in tuition, for the 2011-2012 school year. Who says that “public” schools are affordable?! Imagine the total cost of attendance, with living expenses thrown in, lemmings. 


Ranking: With such high prices, this school MUST have one hell of reputation in the legal and academic communities, right?!?! If you believe so – and you are sensitive to the truth – then you may want to skip to the next paragraph. US “News” & World Report rates RuTTger$ Sewer of Law-Newark as the 84th greatest, most fantastic and wondrous law school in the United States. Yay!! In fact, it shares this prestigious honor with TEN other ABA-accredited law schools! 


Employment and Starting Salary Statistics: The public commode claims that 87.6 percent of its Class of 2010 was employed within nine months of graduation. However, the pigs reached this figure by dividing employed JDs, by the number of grads for whom employment status was known. If you use the total number of graduates, then the result would be 85.27%, i.e. 220/258.

Regarding supposed starting salary statistics, first note that these figures are based on a mere 152 responses, out of 220 employed graduates. Perhaps, the other 31 percent of survey respondents were too embarrassed to report their big-ass salaries, right?!?! The garbage heap lists the overall median salary as $52,563. By the way, it is revealing that only 65.3% of those working in law firms bothered to report their incomes. You can bet your ass that these totals would be lower, if everyone’s data was included. 


Average Law Student Indebtedness: According to the pigs and hags at USN&WR, the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Rutgers-Newark JD Class of 2010 who incurred debt for their law degree - was $78,302. Furthermore, 86 percent of this class took on such toxic debt. Keep in mind that this amount does not take undergrad student debt into account.


Administrator and Faculty Salary Data: Let’s see how the pigs are doing, in comparison to their debt-strapped graduates. According to the public employee salary database at Collegiate Times, Stuart L. Deutch made $287,278, as dean of the law school, in 2009. Likewise, George C. Thomas III, “Board of Governors Professor of Law and Judge Alexander P. Waugh, Sr. Distinguished Scholar,” raked in $212,500. Have you ever seen a more pretentious “title” in all of academia?!

Furthermore, a caveman named Gary L. Francione “earned” $203,000, in 2009. Check out his role, i.e. “Distinguished Professor of Law and Nicholas deB. Katzenbach Scholar of Law & Philosophy.” Lastly, John Leubsdorf, “professor of law” and “Judge Frederick B. Lacey Di$tingui$hed $cholar,” received $195,000 in annual income. In total, 13 faculty members made at least $172K, in annual salary, for this year. What a great system, huh?!?!


"The Women's Rights Law Reporter is a quarterly journal of legal scholarship and feminist criticism published by students at the Rutgers School of Law in Newark. 

Founded in 1970 by now-Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and feminist activists, legal workers, and law students and first published independently in New York City, the Reporter moved to Rutgers in 1972 and became formally affiliated with the law school in 1974. It is the oldest legal periodical in the United States focusing exclusively on the field of women's rights law."

As a student at this ABA-accredited toilet, you can write onto the prestigious Women's Rights Law Reporter! Can you think of a better way to impress your co-eds?! Imagine how potential employers will salivate over your resume...as they use your CV as a coaster for their drink and lunch sandwich.

Conclusion: Rutgers Sewer of Law-Newark is an overpriced trash bin, located in a subterranean hellhole. Good luck graduating from this cesspool, while avoiding becoming a crime statistic. If you want to engage in public service, keep in mind that this does not require you to incur an additional $80K-$120K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt.  If your goal is Biglaw, then you should know that the odds are firmly against you.  


  1. If you think their womens basketball team is rough, you should see the nappy headed hoes that attend the law school. If Star Jones could prove she is in fact female rather then a round pile of flab with a liberal whitey is racist talking points voice box shoved inside, then she could win a beauty contest at this school.

    I hear this is a school looking at minority scholarships for white males in the near future. This will soon be the norm for all these ghetto law schools.

    What idiot would even consider this school who comes from any non entitlement background is beyond me.

  2. I was wondering if you were ever gonna get to this school. The numbers don't tell the whole story by any stretch. This school truly is a shithole.

  3. Ask to legislators to stop taking out illegal students, you are the future, not the 65 years old illegal Russian that come to USA just to expend tax payers money.

  4. Why would anyone want to attend law school in Newark? Seriously.

  5. Bravo Nando. It's about time you got to this cesspool. You may want to correct the first link as that refers to the sister sewer school in Camden.

    A few notes about this school. Stu Deutsch was the dean for about 10 years. He did nothing for the school and tried to defend his inaction by claiming that he didn't want to feed into the USNWR's ranking machine. What a cop out huh? That's like saying I didn't pay my taxes because I don't support the war against Iran.

    Secondly, the faculty at this school is truly of the third tier toilet variety. For example, Gary Francione teaches an Animal Rights course and even ran an Animal Rights clinic. How the fuck is a background knowledge on Animal Rights going to help a debt strapped law graduate? How many Fluffys are out there that can retain you to defend their rights. By the way Boy Gary, animals are fucking chattel, not people. Gary get this through your thick skull: we are all animals and we are governed by nature's law and the all mighty food chain. Do you think a tiger is going to spare your life because you taught animal rights? No, that tiger is going to devour you, limb by limb because that is in the tiger's DNA, just like it is in my DNA to like dining on red meat.

    The schools' Career services office is a true mess. Years ago, I tried to place an ad with the Rutgers CSO to hire a student. Their response was to go on the website and register the ad yourself. Some customer service huh? If they are that way with employers, I can only imagine the shitty treatment they give to its students.

    Here is a little fun factoid about this school. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg briefly taught at Rutgers-Newark before heading off to Columbia. Justice Ginsburg does not volunteer that she taught at Rutgers and when you mention it to her, she brushes it off as a "growing pains" experience.

    The Rutgers law profs may stroke their egos by annoiting themselves with these long winded titles (e.g., the Distinguished Nicolas Katzenbach Scholar, etc.) but they hardly have any real legal experience to be imparting any kind of legal knowledge.

    Stay away from this school. Don't be fooled by "it's a state flagship school" or the fact that it costs under $40K a year in tuition to attend. I have met many grads from this place over the years. Most don't even practice law anymore. They typically do a one year clerkship with the State and then work shitlaw until they burn out or do doc review until they are blacklisted. But hey, if you want to spend $150K to listen to a Professor theorize what an animal Decartes was, by all means go to Rutgers.

  6. If they act like that to employers, no wonder the current students have such a tough time getting decent jobs. Why go through the trouble to place an ad. That's ridiculous.

  7. I graduated from RN in 1992 and stopped putting it on my resume a couple of years later. Sad that at one point I was grateful for the opportunity the school gave me and now I'm embarrassed to tell people I went there. Both Rutgers should close; the market is too saturated to support mediocre schools. The "winners" usually live and work in NYC, meaning taxpayers don't see even a modest benefit from their investment in education. BTW, given the school's obsession with URM quotas, I suspect the "winners" are diversity hires and people at the very top of the class. In other words, if they tell you 8% get biglaw, back out URMs and see what's left.

  8. ^I went to a better school than that and I'm embarrassed to tell people where I went. It was a while ago so it doesn't come up much. One time I was at a party and my girlfriend told some people there I went to law school. I gave her a cold stare which basically said Shut the fuck up and don't ever mention it again. Before anyone could ask where I went, I got a drink and left the party 20 minutes later. That's how much I can't stand my school.

    1. Me too. Although I attended a "good" school, it got me nowhere except a huge pile of debt and a decade behind where I should be in terms of a career. I refuse to tell anyone that I went to law school, and I hate it when the discussion goes anywhere near law school, lawyers, or shit like that. I want to black that shit out of my life and I never want to bring it up ever again, kind of like the time my mother walked in on me and my girlfriend having sex once. We all know it happened but we just ignore it and never, never speak of it.

    2. Damn @ March 8, 2012 9:00 a.m. I'm actually in the process of applying to law school (yes, still) and out of curiosity, what law school did you attend?

      If you went to a better school than the poster, it makes me wonder altogether what the odds are if you don't go to a T14 for real! I'm look at schools ranked #25-50 so...Thanks in advance.

  9. Great comment by 11:32.

  10. From Gary Francione's faculty profile page:

    "He is the author of numerous books and articles on animal rights theory and animals and the law. His most recent book, The Animal Rights Debate: Abolition or Regulation?, was published in 2010 by Columbia University Press. His other books include: Animals as Persons: Essays on the Abolition of Animal Exploitation (2008); Introduction to Animal Rights: Your Child or the Dog? (2000); Animals, Property, and the Law (1995); Rain Without Thunder: The Ideology of the Animal Rights Movement (1996); and Vivisection and Dissection in the Classroom: A Guide to Conscientious Objection (with Anna E. Charlton) (1992)."

    Ok people, can anyone answer why this charlatan is a full tenured professor at a law school making over $200K a year? Is animal rights tested on the bar exam? Will you save a rabid dog from a lethal injection by arguing that canines should be entitled to due process? This guy makes legal education seem like the joke it really is.

  11. I would never praise Rutgers-Newark Law, and I got a kick out of the comments about the $200,000/yr. specialist in animal law. I have no doubt, given the area's saturated legal market, that the career track for most Rutgers-Camden grads is shitlaw, document review, or long-term unemployment, and the oppression of many decades of debt servitude.

    There is something that elicited my interest in a slightly positive way and that is the number of part-time adjuncts who teach there--about 40, it seems, and genuine practitioners, not Nietszche experts. These practitioners are paid between 3K and 40K and hold the rank of "lecturer."


    http://www.collegiatetimes.com/databases/salaries/rutgers-2009?dept=law (scroll down to the bottom)

    Do these adjuncts or lecturers just show up a few times a year, tell old war stories, and then collect honorariums? Or do they run clinics, offer externships, and help train and supervise the students in their practice areas?

    If the latter, that is the nucleus of something interesting. Law is a learn-by-doing profession. In my opinion, all permanent and tenured law school faculty could be replaced with part-time adjunct practitioners, paid by the course or by the clinic, to train students to try a case, write and argue an appeal, and represent clients in various practice areas of the student's choice.

  12. As a NJ taxpayer, I am outraged that my monies are being used to fund salaries of useless dead weight masquerading as "Distinguished Scholars" of this State funded law school. I heard recently that Governor Christie was going to allow Rutgers-Camden Law to be merged with Rowan College, which is an idea I fully support.


    Rutgers-Newark law school should be shut down immediately. It serves no purpose other than to fund these ridiculous salaries for professors that pontificate over animal rights and esoteric areas of the law. Fuck these professors and their ventures into the epistemological underpinings of Lassie's rights. What about the loss of human life? The sacking of the human essence that a majority of these graduates suffer when they graduate with a worthless piece of paper and a six figure non-dischargeable debt? How will teaching gender and animal rights law prepare a debt riddled graduate to start his/her own practice? Who is going to pay the legal bill for you to file an injunction to prevent the dissection of Kermit the Frog at the local high school lab?

  13. Rutgers-Newark is such a piece of shit. How is it possible this pile of shit avoided being on this blog for two and a half years?

  14. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090114101218AAQ3Xjc

    On January 14, 2011, someone using the moniker "mjm13186" posted the following topic on Yahoo Answers - "Lawyers: Is Rutgers-Newark School of Law worth the money?" Here is the text of his question:

    "Will I have good job prospects if I graduate in the top 10-20% of my class? Is it worth the money? If not, besides nyu/columbia, which NYC area law schools give you the best bang for your buck?


    BigLaw Dreamer
    3 years ago"

    Here is the best answer, from user "kapn," as chosen by others:

    "Law sucks........unless you go to a tier one school and Daddy owns a law firm you will starve......it will take you 20 years to pay off your student loans. There are tons of attorneys in the market and more on the way.......the best bang for your buck.........get into health care and never want for a high paying good job where ever to go........sorry truth hurts.....its not worth the money.........

    3 years ago"

    The other response was supplied by "mailaccount63":


    Warning! Jobs in the field of Law are drying up FAST!!!! This is NOT a good field to invest in! Many reasons. Main reason? We simply have WAY TOO MANY Lawyers - we have a GLUT of Attorneys. So, even IF you finish law school, you probably won't be able to find a job when you are done.

    The law schools know this, but they won't tell you - law students are easy money. And the law schools keep churning out more and more law graduates into an economy that is SATURATED. Plus you'll owe $150,000+ in school debt."

    This was posted more than three years ago. There were several hints and warnings, in the past. However, with the economy going into the toilet, the lawyer GLUT has become painfully obvious - to anyone with an IQ above room temperature.

    These blogs also played a key role, in highlighting this mess. Now, several “law professors,” judges, social commentators, major newspapers, an occasional bar president, and practicing lawyers have spoken out on this issue. As a result, the ABA, NALP and the diploma mills have been on the defensive. We are not going to let these foul pigs off the hook.

  15. Rutgers in interchangeable with dozens of other second tier law schools around the country. Its not so much that they are bad schools, its just that they are not nearly good enough to land you anything approximating a decent job unless you are at the top of the class or have rock solid employment connections. I saw a comment on another blog yesterday saying that the Los Angeles DA’s office is interviewing 1,500 people for 20 ADA positions. They won’t even look at the resume of a Tier 2 grad unless he/she is on law review. And even then, they odds are still very much against you.

    1. This is actually not true at all. I have a good friend that is attending this "school" now and he has a good friend who is on Law Review and has a "real good chance" at being valedictorian and he could not get a BigLaw firm to interview him for his second year summer job. HE COULD NOT GET A FUCKING INTERVIEW. I thank god everyday I did not attend this place a few years back. He is working in a medium sized firm with about 18 attorneys or something and he is not in the top five percent he is THE FUCKING TOP.

    2. Your friends friend must be a social retard. I go here now. The top students all at least got Big Law interviews through OCI. Several come to OCI and they pic most of the students with a 3.6 or higher. Hell, I got a few and I am not even in the running for being valedictorian.

    3. To the douche-bag above, i.e. 6:46 pm,

      Learn some basic punctuation, grammar and spelling, mental midget. Perhaps, the other guy's friend was a non-traditional student. Law firms are known for discriminating against those who are over 30 years old.

      You misspelled the word "pick." Second graders don't make that mistake. You wouldn't be in the running for valedictorian, at the local elementary school.

  16. A lot of people get offended when someone calls their school a toilet. Or in the case of this blog calls the school a pile of rot.

    The thing is no one's really saying the schools are total shit. What they're basically saying is 'The schools charge too much, don't teach lawyering skills, and there are too many schools.' These are facts, not opinion. And if that makes you mad, wait until you take out a bunch of student loans and can't find a job. Any job.

  17. Having worked and known dozens of Rutgers-Newark law grads, I feel qualified to say the following:

    1) It was a rising school under Dean Abrams. In fact at one point (in the mid '90s), RULAW-Newark was ranked in the top 40. BTW, Abrams was fired over an alumni gift fiasco. Apparently, a RULAW-Newark alum tried to donate a few million bucks in a form of multi-year annuity. The President of the University wanted the money in cash upfront (the nerve of asking a donor how to donate his money). The alum opted to donate the money to his undergrad alma mater and Rutgers lost the gift prompting Abram's termination. Abrams did plenty for the school. He was responsible for raising the $$ for the new building.

    2) Over the years, Rutgers lost a lot of good professors who went to other law schools. The current faculty consists of a few dinosaurs that probably had no lateral options. There is one faculty member who likes to remind everyone during the course of the semester that he was chums with Obama during his days at HLS. Funny thing is, if he was such good buddies with Obama, how come he is not on his cabinet and is just wasting away in Newark?

    3) Office of Career Services: Many people resent their experience with the school's OCS because they do nothing for the students. The director of OCS has little to no legal experience. The top 10% of the class are treated like darlings while the rest of the class are treated like parasites. I suppose this is the same story at other law schools. OCI at Rutgers has been decimated in recent years. I doubt Rutgers places well in Biglaw these days. If you attend Rutgers, do not expect the career services office to lift a finger on your behalf. In other words, be connected or be left in the cold.

    4) Newark: It is still a crime ridden city. You better carry pepper spray or have a carrying permit because there are many muggers in the area. This is a very depressing place to spend 3 years.

    5) Local Competition: This area is GLUTTED with JDs. Too MANY lawyers. I think NJ has the second or third highest lawyer per capita in the nation (DC is no. 1-no surprise there). Rutgers grads have to compete with superior schools such as Penn, Columbia, Cornell and NYU. In fact, the state clerkship jobs that traditionally fell on Rutgers and Seton Hall grads are now being picked up by IVY league grads. This is the natural effect of oversaturation.

    6) Pricetag: Cheap but when you factor opportunity costs and COL, you are better off attending CUNY. If you have a dad who has his own firm or a mother who is a federal magistrate judge, you will be ok. If you have absolutely no legal connections, prepare for a hard life.

    My $.02.

  18. This is why I come on here. The entries are usually golden. But insider info on the schools can be platinum.

    It's disgusting how these academics feel like they can dictate to donors how to donate. It shows you what the schools care about. (Hint: it's not providing you with an education or making sure you can get a good job.) Was the school to dumb to realize rich donors can get away with telling people or institutions to fuck off?

  19. Here is the story about the Dean Abrams' firing as reported by the NYTimes:


    The donor eventually gave his gift to Cornell. Here is the juicy part of the story:

    "Dr. Yudowitz approached law school officials in early March about his desire to donate money after reading an article in the alumni magazine about the school's capital campaign. He talked with Margaret Bridge, the school's associate dean who is also in charge of development, and told her that he and his wife had sold their home for $3.8 million, and that they could donate a certain amount in cash, with the rest to come later, but that it would all have to be finalized in May.

    The report details the conversations Ms. Bridge and Mr. Abrams had with administrators and research foundation officials to reach an agreement that would give Dr. Yudowitz his name on a building, as he wanted, and provide the university with enough cash in advance to make officials confident of the deal. But by April 1, there was still no decision from the board of governors, and Dr. Yudowitz informed Ms. Bridge that ''we are running out of time.''

    On April 9, officials in New Brunswick called Ms. Bridge to tell her that only $4 million in cash was acceptable. She and Mr. Abrams conferred, and called Dr. Yudowitz to inform him of the decision."

    This story does highlight how greedy universities are. Rutgers told this benevolent alum to fork over the $4M in cash upfront or no deal. Well, the donor turned to Cornell and gave them $3M while telling Rutgers "no deal." My mother always taught me that beggars can't be choosers. I guess Rutgers thought it was in a position to tell a donor how to part ways with his own money.

  20. Rutgers-Newark = shittier than shit

  21. A reporter from ABC News wrote to me.

  22. Rutgers likes to bill itself as the flagship school for NJ. Who gives a shit? It's a toilet. Don't go to any flagship law school unless you get a free ride. Or tuition will run you no more than $10K per year and you can live at home.

  23. http://rutgers-newark.lawschoolnumbers.com/

    Law School Numbers must use a different methodology than the one employed by RuTTger$-Newark. You will notice that LSN claims that 91.3% of this commode’s Class of 2010 was employed, within nine months of graduation.


    As I pointed out in the main entry, the toilet alleges that 87.6% of its JD Class of 2010 was employed, within nine months of receiving their law degrees. Plus, my analysis shows that roughly 85.27% of the 2010 graduating class, from Rutgers Sewer of Law-Newark, was employed in that time frame.

    Perhaps, LSN received different figures from the second tier trash heap. Maybe, this was another “error” that benefited the law school. (It is uncanny how often these supposed mistakes ALWAYS favor the schools!) Hell, the school may have “accidentally” counted a few JD bartenders several times, in order to reach this figure.


    Check out this discussion thread, on Law School Discussion, regarding Seton Hall, Rutgers-Newark, and Rutgers-Camden. Some idiot, using moniker “TheLimaBeanKing” posted a thread entitled “Law School in New Jersey (Rutgers Newark, Seton Hall, Rutgers Camden)” – on April 15, 2006 at 11:02:45 am.

    Such “discussions” illustrate why the law school pigs will continue to thrive. If you have a large pool of willing victims - and a federally-backed student loan system that does not allow for discharge of student debt - then you have no incentive to turn these waterheads away.

    Who gives a damn which of these three stink pits has the nicest law building or is the most commuter-friendly?!?! Law school is one of the most important FINANCIAL DECISIONS of your entire life, lemmings!! The morons commenting on that LSD post were under the impression that these three turds were going to help them land positions in New York City.

    Of course, they may end up in a doc review basement – in TTT conditions. By the way, the work is highly unreliable. The hourly rates continue to fall. Plus, so much of this work is now being outsourced – and even automated by software programs.

    One tool – whose brain was deprived of oxygen and blood – wrote the following drivel: “These are all reasons that may seem unimportant but to me they are significant...at the end of the day, where you're going to be happy is where you will succeed.”

    Yeah, that is the secret to success, Ass-Clown. Academic success does not equal happiness. It also does not necessarily equate to finding a legal job – which is pretty much the point of spending three years of one’s life in law school. Would you attend a law school, because one of your classmates or "professors" is a Sofia Vergara doppelganger?! After all, you would only end up screwed financially.

  24. Nando, my question to you is will you also cover Rutgers-Camden Law, soon to known as Rowan University School of Law?


  25. Did anyone see the news last night on CBS. They did a story on a guy who graduated from NYLS and is a waiter in a restaurant.

  26. These scums continue to scam kids into law school for their own personal game. Every year these "$chools" are allowed to admit a new 1L class full of victims.

    This crime should not go unpunished. The deans and professors KNOW that their graduates will be fucked. However they offer, NOTHING of value during the 3 years at these "institutions of higher learning".

    Fucking pathetic. These people deserve jail cells just as much as the wall street scammers and the banking cartels.

    Fuck them.

    1. I love Rutgers. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

    2. You all should be ashamed of yourself. I work helping the poor and the work is rewarding.

  27. http://law-http://law-library.rutgers.edu/archives/000258.php

    "Library News

    Blog discussing current news and events at Rutgers School of Law Library-Newark.
    « New Books in Law & Criminal Justice | Messages Index
    March 02, 2012

    New Books in Law & Criminal Justice

    Our list of Selected New Books received in February includes works on shareholder democracy, criminal law theory, online dispute resolution, domestic violence, home ownership, land use rules in cities, the Haymarket trial, negotiable instruments, wearing of religious symbols, and the civilian/combatant distinction. Also posted is a list of Selected Acquisitions in the Gottfredson Library of Criminal Justice, including works on art law, corporate criminal liability, immigration detention policy, money laundering, and sentencing demographics.

    Posted by axellute at March 2, 2012 11:48 AM"

    Wow! The commode has certainly received some valuable additions to its law library, huh?!?! After all, what current law student doesn’t want to read about late 19th century Populism?! I don’t see too many prestige whores wanting to learn more about this reaction to robber baron pigs.


    On second thought, anyone so inclined can find this information online. In fact, UMKC’s sewer of law has provided this narrative. Perhaps, the bitches and hags at RuTTger$ feel that having physical volumes is more “prestigious.”


    As a student at this public trash put, you will have the opportunity to write onto the world-renowned Rutgers Computer and Technology Law Journal! Your parents will be so proud, and women will not be able to keep their hands off of you. Imagine how potential employers will react upon seeing this "experience" on your resume!

  28. "Who gives a damn which of these three stink pits has the nicest law building..."

    This is something that irritates me too, even though it is way down on the list of atrocities committed by the law schools against their own students and the profession.

    It is the digital age. No need for spacious multi-story law libraries, tasteful and airy reading rooms, auditorium classrooms, research facilities, mock appellate courtrooms, ect.

    A laptop, an easychair at home, a Westlaw password, access to lectures on streaming video, an online discussion board, and, voila, you are ready to study law. (And the academic study of legal doctrine, as opposed to clinical training, should take no more than one year). Occasional face-to-face meetups with fellow students and faculty are nice, of course, and that can be done in unused classrooms on the undergraduate campus.

    Ornate and expensive law school buildings are not bad per se--they are bad because, ultimately, most of the cost of construction and upkeep will fall on the students. Moreover, the "luxury" of those buidings will only be enjoyed for a few short years by each student, but will be enjoyed permanently by the tenured bloodsuckers.

    Abraham Lincoln, Clarence Darrow, and Justice Robert Jackson did not need zillion square foot buildings in which to learn to be lawyers. In fact, they did not even need law schools at all.

  29. I mention this post, and discuss Rutgers-Newark, on my blog: http://scholasticsnakeoil.blogspot.com/2012/03/wrong-school-in-wrong-place.html

  30. The schools keep building new libraries and main buildings 'cause they want to increase their stupid US News ranking. Yep. They calculate this shit in their rankings.

    After the first week of classes does any law student really give a shit how nice the library is? You're so focused on studying, you don't really notice your surroundings. It's stupid. You don't see the college presidents getting a hard on after they complete a brand spanking new undergrad building the way they do with law schools.

  31. Law school ruined my life. I have not known happiness since I graduated, just uncertain job prospects and no health or dental insurance. Meanwhile, law schools have jacked up tuition faster than even rising health care costs, paid sacred cow law professors six figures to teach six hours a week of recycled material, law schools have recklessly flooded the market with ill prepared graduates, all the time spinning lies about employment statistics and alternative uses for a law degree for the next crop to flood the market. The current system is obscene, fueled by easy student loan money, greed, and lies.

    There is no reason a college president should be making over a millions dollars at a "non-profit" funded by government student loans and government grants that put students six figures in debt from the start.

    And, I still think the ABA should be abolished for doing nothing. Why don't we let the AMA, ADA, or even the NBA have control over the legal profession, they at least seem to give a shit about their members.

  32. not sure whether this has been posted.


    "Kevin Johnson wanted be a lawyer all his life. He graduated from New York Law School last February."

    lol @ NYLS

  33. @8:12 AM

    In all fairness to the ABA, a well meaning, and senior Journalist for the ABA Journal did feature me not too long ago, and I think the ABA Journal article did reach just about every USA Law academic, and active Judge and Lawyer and Politician at all, and I mean all, levels.


    And never shall USA Law and politics be mutually exclusive.

    I absolutely would not have gone as far as I have gone with my blogging were it not for the support of Nando,and I owe Nando a great debt of gratitude.

    Hang in there, and I will too. Promise.

  34. The litmus test for viability will be judgments. Until such time as a judgment is ordered there is a holding pattern. If any case gets through, I believe many more sits will be filed.

  35. I have found information that could be helpful to those struggling with student loan debt and loan defaults. Go to this site http://tinyurl.com/AxStudentLoans

  36. Having attended Rutgers Law in Newark and graduating in 1982,I can see the overwhelming problem that young law students are facing. I worked my way thru Rutgers law and it cost $50 a credit. My 84 credit JD degree cost me around $5,000. Imagine a law degree for that price. The people that I studied with in my class did not fair that well on the bar exam. I passed in another state.Rutgers was not that helpful in terms of helping students with their learning needs. I had another profession so it didn't really matter. I went to a private school in Boston as an undergraduate and there is such a difference between a state school and a private school but I don't owe any loans. Now a days, if you take those loans you are stupid. It is a real scam and your future is lost. You won't be able to buy a car, a house, get married or have children. Think thru what you are doing

  37. I remember an old episode of COPS from the 90s featuring a Rutgers law grad among those busted in a Crack-Cocaine sting. The cops told the other arrestees if anyone needed legal counsel, he was their go-to guy.

  38. I had to choose between a full ride to RLN and a $300,000+ pricetag at a more prestigious school in NYC. I chose RLN and have been very happy with my choice. It's not perfect and the name alone is not going to open a whole lot of doors. I would advise people who dream of practicing Biglaw in NYC to reconsider or wait and retake the LSAT. However, for my purposes (zero interest in Biglaw, strictly public interest), RLN has been great and I thank my debt-free stars every day.

    1. I share the same sentiment. Then again, I came wanting to work for big law and then changed my mind to public interest. Was it because I truly had a change of heart or was it the lack of big law work that changed my hear? Well, let's just say the grapes of big law are sour ;)

  39. You got it right. This school is a steaming shit pile of epic proportions.

  40. WOW!! just stumbling on to this blog while trying to find out information on upcoming law school open houses. I've attended law open houses in the past, and never been compelled to go all the way and go full out through the process of actually attending. However, everytime I try to convince myself that I need to stop putting law school off and finally attend, all I see is $$$ racking up in my head and debt on me like a 5 o'clock shadow! Plus, judging from the opinions of friends and former colleagues, I seriously believe that there are way too many JD's vying for too little jobs. Sometimes I feel like obtaining Masters was a waste of money, still not exactly happy about that

  41. Although Rutgers has a good public interest program, is it really worth raking up 70k in debt over? Who knows maybe for the truly dedicated it is. But for the rest of us, meh, might as well go work for the red cross right after college if you wanna do good.

  42. Got offers from NYLS and Turo but after calculating the cost...it didnt make sense. I'm a non traditional student with a good paying job btw.

  43. I graduated from Rutgers Law-Newark in 1975, together with two other Cuban-American classmates. Our legal educations cost under $5,000. We picked up our fresh diplomas and headed for Miami with no money and all our belongings in our cars. We ended up working for solos. 40 years later, we have parlayed our Rutgers-Newark educations into equity partnership in an 80-lawyer statewide firm headquartered on Brickell Avenue; one of the most successful criminal practices in the country, and ownership of one of the most successful and politically influential plaintiff's negligence firms in the city. Two of us are active alumni and help support the law school.

    It didn't happen overnight. But no one ever disrespected our educations or the skills we acquired at R-N Law. We loved our professors, and they loved us. Don't buy into the negativity. No one is going to hire you on Wall Street based solely on the name of your school, but you can work your way up to the top of the profession with the skills with which the school will equip you. The operative word is work. Life is competition. Go out and compete.

  44. As you pointed out, you graduated from law school nearly 40 years ago. Things have changed drastically in that time.


    Look at this ABA graph, idiot. From 1980-1981 to 2009-2010 — a span of 30 years — ABA-approved law schools pumped out 1,161,863 graduates. Do you think that *might* have something to do with today's GLUT of attorneys?!?!


    Tuition has also SKYROCKETED since you received your garbage law degree 39 years ago. Hell, YOU stated that your "education" cost less than $5,000. Today's graduates are walking away with $120K+ in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt.

    Furthermore, how is a freshly-minted attorney supposed to compete against established solos and law firms today?!?! The latter groups can blow a new lawyer's ass out of the water, with their advertising budgets alone. Lastly, how many new PI lawyers/ambulance chasers have enough capital to cover the costs, until a settlement is reached? Do you believe that legitimate banks today are handing out business loans to JDs with $137,281.09 in student debt to their name?!?!

    By the way, if you are so successful, then why not proudly list your name to your comment? In the end, you are recklessly encouraging others to attend law school - in today's environment - based on your good luck and fortune from nearly 40 years ago. People are still working hard, bitch. However, there are not as many good jobs out there for the teeming masses of college and law graduates.


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