Friday, April 27, 2012

Who to Believe Regarding the Legal Job Market: Selfish, Fundamentally Dishonest Law School Pigs or Social Commentators?!

The Shills’ Perspective:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/04/21/3189776/nc-law-school-graduates-face-tough.html

On April 21, 2012, some shill named David Ranii wrote an article for the Charlotte Observer under the headline “N.C. law school graduates face tough job market.” Overall, the tone is irrationally optimistic and simple-minded. Here is an excerpt:

“Barry Porter, 26, who is about to graduate from N.C. Central and has two job offers on the table, said his debt of approximately $100,000 weighs on him even though he has no regrets about going to law school.

“I feel like it was the right decision,” said Porter, who grew up in Atlanta. “I have a passion for law.”

The new reality facing graduates means simply having a stellar resume and academic record is no longer a guarantee that you’ll land a job with your desired firm or in your desired field.”

David, it is okay to be critical, i.e. YOU don’t need to lick the pigs’ genitals, when reporting on their industry. This “journalist” apparently believes the law school cockroaches’ lie, i.e. “Students are upset because they are not guaranteed a dream job, in their field.” By the way, Barry Porter cannot really be that dense, right?!?! The article went on:

“Although it may be hard for some frustrated third-year students to believe, law school officials say that the market for new lawyers does seem to be improving.

“There seem to be more opportunities; there seem to be more interviews,” NCCU’s [Linda] Wendling said. “There are (fewer students) coming in and crying. I haven’t had a crier yet, which I have had in the past.”

Hello, you red-headed butter cow.  Don’t break down in tears because I posted a link to your faculty page.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/mobile/bthesite/bal-mob-bthesite-cover-20120425,0,377304,full.story

On April 25, 2012, Baltimore Sun reporter Jenn Ladd authored a cover story labeled “Law School Letdown.” Here is a telling portion:

“Combined, UB Law and UMd Law graduated just under 600 J.D. candidates in 2011, the schools reported. [assistant dean at UB Law's Career Development Office Jill] Green, contends that the legal market nationally and in Maryland is not over-saturated. "The problem is not too many lawyers, the problem is the inability to provide low-cost or moderate-cost legal services to those who need it the most," she said.” [Emphasis mine]

Why would a $elf-intere$ted law school employee make such a claim?!?! This is a blatant lie, Jill. After all, Economic Modeling Specialists Inc. found Maryland to have the NINTH MOST GLUTTED LEGAL JOB MARKET, in the nation.

The Critical View:

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/04/the-wrong-people-have-stopped-applying-to-law-school/255685/

On April 10, 2012, Jordan Weissmann wrote a piece for The Atlantic entitled “The Wrong People Have Stopped Applying to Law School.” He notes that, for 2012, those with higher LSAT scores are declining to apply to law school at a much higher rate than the waterheads who scored below a 145. Here is an excerpt:

“Among the many unfortunate developments in higher education over the past decade, one of the most talked about has been the law school bubble. In the heat of the recession, a record number of students decided that it would be a good idea to dive six-figures into debt for a shot at a legal career. Many were lured with utterly misleading job placement stats, as well as a stubborn misperception that law was still a safe career choice, that a J.D. even guaranteed a living wage. Once they graduated, many realized otherwise.

Last month, the Law School Admissions Council (a.k.a., LSAC) published data indicating that the bubble finally seemed to have popped -- a merciful development, as I put it at the time. The number of LSAT tests administered has plummeted over the past two years, and fewer students are accepting admission. This is a happy turn of events. The fewer grads being funneled into an super-saturated industry, the better. (Full disclosure: I used to work for a law firm.)” [Emphasis mine]

Isn’t it nice to see such a critical article appearing in The Atlantic, with regards to the law school scam? Weissmann concludes his ass-kicking piece, with the following:

“So the smart kids got the memo. Law school is largely a losing game, and they're not going to play, even though they can probably count on a better hand than most. Meanwhile, the number of laggards applying has barely budged.

Maybe that's just what makes the smart kids the smart kids.” [Emphasis mine]

Let’s see how these numbers affect the lower-ranked commodes. Expect to see an increase in the numbers of borderline students enrolled as first year law students, in the near future.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/04/if-you-are-still-applying-to-law-school-you-might-be-an-idiot/

Elie Mystal churned out an ATL entry titled “If You Are Still Applying to Law School, You Might Be an Idiot.” He does not feel that these numbers will have much impact on ABA-accredited sewage pits and trash heaps.

“Evidently, the decline in LSAT takers will not hurt the bottom-feeding law schools that much. That’s because the low-hanging fruit that they pick off are still out there in abundance. I don’t think that the LSAT is a particularly good measure of anything, but not being able to break 140 on it is probably a decent indication that you can barely read (and even when you sound out the words you don’t learn anything from them).

Which is probably why those people are still eager to apply to law school. When they read a blog post saying, “LAW SCHOOL WILL STEAL YOUR MONEY,” they understand, “School will turn you money into steel, which is even more valuable than paper.”

Conclusion: Seeing that law school swine have a tendency to lie, why should anyone believe their claims about the job market? Keep in mind that these bitches and hags were claiming that the recession should end around 2012. Self interest clouds judgment. When the people involved have no moral compass or integrity - and are part of a fundamentally corrupt system - then they will do and say whatever they can, in order to cover their asses.

27 comments:

  1. Can anyone still defend these shitholes with a straight face? Anyone, anyone at all?

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  2. Linda "I haven't had a crier" Wendling's compassion is understandable given that she is a graduate of the Shittin Hall School of Law. The Valvoline Dean taught this disciple very well.

    Wow so "I haven't had a crier yet" is a barometer that the market is improving? I suppose a rape victim who no longer cries is over her trauma. These people are psychopaths. They twist logic to suit their agenda.

    These articles are puff pieces and journalism in this country is dead since it is controlled by the same banks that benefit from the student loan gravy train.

    Prof. Campos had a great piece today about Hastings Law School. I can't believe that school's tuition went up by 84% in 5 years just so they could pay 9 bloated salaries to failed JD grads that couldn't hack it in the legal profession. I wonder what kind of nuance angle these fucking professors think they bring to the table when discussing Pennoyer v. Neff?

    Law school is a joke. These schools are for profit. They shove out a new class of indentured servants and make way for an incoming class of suckers who fall for these shill's propoganda.

    The truth is coming out. Law school is a rip-off.

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  3. The dummies still wanna go to law school. Let them go. Let them suffer. Shit, anybody with two brain cells can figure out law school is a gamble.

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  4. One of the 'missions' of law school is to teach us ethics and professionalism. How can law schools teach ethics when they are not ethical themselves? This is like a drug addict trying to get someone off of drugs or a criminal running the prison. What I learned from these 'role models' is that as long as you can get away with it, cheat, cheat, cheat and lie, lie, lie. How can these 'deans' stand up in front of their alumni and pretend that they are doing good for their students. No wonder the legal profession is held in such low regard. Nando, you should do a major post about ethics and professionalism of the law school scam.

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  6. You couldn't be more right 10:10. Law schools claim they are following the law and the aba rules. But they should do more than that. Society needs ethical lawyers and the law schools are not teaching law students to be ethical lawyers. Law deans are terrible role models. They are failing at their most important job. Why should they get so much many to be liars? You don't have to go to law school to be a crook.

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  7. American law professors wouldn't know ethics from their elbow. They are even more vile than portrayed on this blog.

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  8. From David Ranii's article:

    "Law schools report employment data as of Feb. 15 because many law school grads, especially those seeking to work as prosecutors and public defenders, don’t receive job offers until they pass the bar exam."

    My analysis: David Ranii is an idiot who doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. What, is there no summer bar exam in North Carolina? Are the results not reported until December?

    The real reason why employment stats are collected in February is because it is a high water mark for legal employment. It gives the stragglers the most time to find employment while conveniently coming shortly before the first culling of biglaw associates. (Can't lose those $160,000 salaries out of the statistics).

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  9. Who cares about 9 months out. A lot of the employed attorneys will no longer be working as lawyers within a couple a years. The field is oversaturated and law firmns are not going to keep paying lawyers if the money is not coming in. Students don't understand this. And ABA schools don't spill the beans. The schools see dollar signs when they look at their students.

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  10. I remember asking an older lawyer if he could help me find a job, and he said that he couldn't help, but that I ought to try and convince a firm that I could bring in clients.

    Which is kind of similar to how selling insurance is: An insurance agency might hire you if they feel you have prior business contacts, or a network of people to call up and sell to.

    Some lower level stock broker jobs work the same way.

    Once your network is exhausted and your sales "Production" as a "Producer" or "Account Manager" (as they say in the Sales Biz) is depleted and you are no longer bringing in the sales, you are "Let go" or in other words fired.

    It is amazing how many different ways there are for describing what is in reality a sales job.

    I used to comb the classified want ads and see so many postings for "Account Managers" and "Producers" or "Account Executives" etc. and after a while I came to realize that sales constitutes the majority of the postings in the classified ads.

    The telemarketing places would keep a running ad year round, and I even worked in a telemarketing place for a while after law school.

    But it is not polite to call the place a "Boiler Room"

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  11. "Which is probably why those people are still eager to apply to law school. When they read a blog post saying, “LAW SCHOOL WILL STEAL YOUR MONEY,” they understand, “School will turn you money into steel, which is even more valuable than paper.”

    So funny, I needed the laugh. Thanks

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  12. This profession is so shitty I can't think of another one where the practitioners actively tell others to avoid their line of work. Go up to any practicing lawyer that graduated in the last 10 years. Ask him or her if you should go to law school. Tell me what their response is. I wish more lemmings would do this before slapping down a shit ton of money on a law degree.

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  13. Great, great post. The "red-headed butter cow" comment may have been a little too much. It's extremely important to get these ideas out there, in order to prevent kids out there from comitting financial suicide. Yet, the tone of your message is just undermining your work since it makes it easier for people to label you as a "hater" who has found a punching bag to release his anger upon. Think about that...

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  14. @8:56 am,

    This is a serious issue. I know that the facts are on my side. I make certain to back up my argument with facts, charts, graphs, industry statement, etc. This gives me some leeway, in terms of tone and presentation.

    Furthermore, when the butter cow makes comments about "criers," she is showing absolute contempt for her students/customers. Surely, you recognize that she is making a living off of the federally-backed student loan scheme. In addition, the schools continue to overproduce graduates - without regard to the prevailing job market.

    In sum, the law school situation should outrage the public. I have not lost my drive or motivation, in going after the law school pigs. Along that vein, when employees of the law school industrial complex make such vile comments - about their students - then they should expect to be called out.

    In the final analysis, you should not trust one who is a paid mouthpiece for any industry, company, political party, religious organization, etc. Keep in mind that you are not going to receive an unbiased view. Newspapers and reporters do not have anything riding on this issue, whereas the law school swine have a DIRECT FINANCIAL INCENTIVE to promote their product.

    For instance, do you simply accept the words of a company, industry or agency spokesperson?! If you have one ounce of critical thought in your head, then of course not! The law school cockroaches merely want more asses in seats, so that they can receive more student loan money. They CLEARLY do not give a damn about their students’ outcomes. The students are a means to an end.

    Check out this January 30, 2012 blog entry from Paul Campos, entitled “The ideological structure of a legitimated scam.” Here is an excerpt:

    http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2012/01/ideological-structure-of-legitimated.html

    “The overwhelming majority of legal academics would most sincerely and vehemently deny that law school is a scam. Now if, despite this deeply sincere belief, law school functions as a scam anyway, then what we're dealing with is what can be called a legitimated scam. A legitimated scam is a scam which is not understood to be such by those profiting from it, but which is interpreted as being something else altogether. It will be seen that what a legitimated scam requires is an ideology -- a set of beliefs that allow those who profit from the structure of the enterprise to misunderstand the nature of that structure, in a way that allows them to behave in a fashion that advances their own interests, while at the same time believing (again, with all sincerity) that the purpose of their behavior is something else.”

    It is true that many “law professors” and administrators view themselves as performing a “public service.” In fact, this makes them even more dangerous. Of course, many of these serpents cynically use this line as an excuse to charge large sums in tuition and fees. After all, they are “opening the doors of the profession, to those who have historically been denied entry,” right?!?!

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  15. This is the language that shows up on a credit report after default, and indicates how Sallie Mae gets paid:


    Claim filed with government. Balance paid or being paid by Insurance Company

    Claim filed with government. Balance paid or being paid by Insurance Company

    Claim filed with government. Balance paid or being paid by Insurance Company

    Claim filed with government. Balance paid or being paid by Insurance Company

    Claim filed with government. Balance paid or being paid by Insurance Company

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    1. It should read:

      Little piggie student loan company double dipping.

      Little piggie student loan company double dipping.

      Government figures out LPSLC is double dipping.

      Everybody at LPSLC shot through the head at point-blank range by government.

      Problem solved.

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  16. When are you gonna post your annual letter to the graduating class? I look forward to that.

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  17. Check out this February 2012 posting on the Bankruptcy Legal Group website. The entry was entitled “Student loan debt becoming too unmanageable for many U.S. grads.” Here is an excerpt:

    http://www.bankruptcysandiegoattorney.com/2012/02/student-loan-debt-becoming-too-unmanageable-for-many-us-grads.shtml

    "Those attending or who have recently graduated from law school know all too well how difficult it can be to repay student loans. The legal job market is shrinking, but more students are graduating from law school each year. So what can students in San Diego and throughout the entire U.S. do when they graduate with massive amounts of student loan debt with no job prospects?

    One student who graduated from law school with $150,000 in student loans sought bankruptcy protection under Chapter 7. She said that she was optimistic that she would find a job shortly after getting her degree, but she learned otherwise.

    After realizing that she would not be able to afford her monthly student loan payments, the woman attempted to file for bankruptcy protection. Unfortunately, she also learned that student loan debt cannot be discharged under federal law unless a debtor can prove that the debt puts him or her in a position of "undue hardship."

    The legal job market is contracting - and many of these automated and outsourced law jobs will not return, even when the economy recovers. This is a fact of life. However, the NON-DISCHARGEABLE student debt compounds this problem - as a JD can be buried with life-altering loans. Try purchasing a home, with $120K in combined student debt. Good luck finding someone dumb enough to marry your ass, let alone have kids with you.

    Only a “law professor,” industry shill or mindless lemming would argue that the legal job market is not shrinking. Remember where they are coming from: self-interest. “Professors,” staff, and paid defenders have a DIRECT FINANCIAL STAKE in making sure that others believe in the value of a law degree. Lemmings who have their little hearts set on receiving a “legal education” are not objective, in their stance. They believe that they will excel in law school, make connections, and achieve success.

    However, as Jordan Weissmann and Elie Mystal pointed out – in their respective articles – those with higher LSAT scores are strongly reconsidering the idea of law school, while the morons have not been dissuaded much. The schools are seeing a significant drop in the numbers of applicants with high LSAT scores. Yeah, that is going to help the schools’ reputations, right?!?!

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    1. "So what can students in San Diego and throughout the entire U.S. do when they graduate with massive amounts of student loan debt with no job prospects?"

      Flee the country.

      That's it.

      Run away, go to work in China, pay down bits of the debt if they want to or wait the SL bubble out.

      Sorry kiddies, but try learning Cantonese or Mandarin and split.

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  18. Hard work in law school is a necessary condition, but not always a sufficient one.

    In other words, some people have the skills to issue spot and write essays,and some people do not no matter how hard they work.

    This is all well and good, but when life destroying debt is on the line, it senotes a terrible societal problem, if not a human rights problem.

    Either make student loan debt dischargeable in bankruptcy, or allow law school 1l's the chance at a full tuition refund after 1 or 2 semesters.

    Human lives are being destroyed.

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  19. Damn dude. You still running this blog? All your friends have given up on their blogs. Take a hint.

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  20. sthu he should do a post about this cooley pig

    http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/cooley-law-school-founder-still-paid.html

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  21. There are too many lawyers in the country. I mean who the fuck doesn't know that by now? Go to law school at your own risk. And don't expect a bailout for your ill-time decision.

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  22. Nando, you may want to advise the 0L lemmings with Biglaw dreams of a NYC "models and bottles" life to take a look at this:

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/article;jsessionid=F43583E62DC7BF591C4CE5BA1AA0236E.w6?a=945468&f=22

    Starting in 2013, in addition to passing the bar exam, paying interest on yours student loans, paying annual dues and paying large sums of $$$ for CLE compliance you will also be required to give 50 hours of your time to represent the less fortunate. I thought the 13th Amendment outlawed involuntary slavery or indentured servitude. Oh, I see, practicing law is not a right, it is a privelege which the legislature, the executive and even the judiciary can impose more burdens on young lawyers just for the PRIVELEGE of practicing law. Oh joy, you get to represent the dregs of society, who will treat you like shit, spit on you and blame you when you fuck up their case. What a great way to be introduced into this great and noble profession.

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  23. The legal job market is very bad; however, what is even worse is that most law schools do not teach people how to look for jobs. There are over 100,000 attorney-related positions on sites like LawCrossing.com (which gathers jobs from law firm and company websites) and many go unfilled because people simply do not look for jobs in the correct places. People then end up unemployed, dropping out of the practice of law and so forth. It is a real tragedy.

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  24. I am currently in graduate school and one of my classmates is a former lawyer. I asked him about the legal field and whether it was a good idea for me to go to law school Want to know what he said? It's a miserable field and I am better off finishing grad school and get my master's degree. I am so happy that I did my research and asked a former lawyer how the realities on how the legal field is. He saved me from making a 6 figure mistake. I wish more people who are considering going to law school to do their research and ask lawyers about how the legal field is.

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