Thursday, July 12, 2012

Profiles in Rancid Self-Interest: Don LeDuc, “President” of Thomas M. Cooley Law School, Argues That Aging Attorneys Will Lead to Shortage of Lawyers in Michigan


Don LeDuc Claims to “Believe” That His State Will Soon Face an Attorney Deficit:

On July 9, 2012, Washtenaw County Legal News published a piece from Tom Gantert under the headline “Cooley head: Aging attorney population to create many jobs.” Here is the opening from that article:

http://www.legalnews.com/washtenaw/1364461/

“The President of Cooley Law School believes the state has reached a "tipping point" where the number of older attorneys leaving practice will exceed the number of law students entering the market.

Don LeDuc said he believes the state will be in "deficit mode" where there are more jobs than lawyers for about 20 years.

"There's such talk about too many lawyers and no jobs," LeDuc said. "In two or three years, we will be producing fewer new admissions to membership than the numbers leaving membership in the same year." 

Cooley Law School graduated 996 lawyers in 2011 and 918 in 2010, according to James Robb, associate dean for development and alumni relations at Cooley.

LeDuc points to a demographics report put out by the State Bar of Michigan that found 53.4 percent of the active members of the state bar were born before 1961. The survey also found that 11.1 percent (or about 3,716 lawyers) of the active bar members were born before 1944.” [Emphasis mine]

Sure, the legal job market is going to soon face a shortage of lawyers – and Jessica Alba just climbed on top of me. By the way, those of us in the real work world recognize that Boomers do not plan to retire anytime soon. Hell, read this Esquire piece from Stephen Marche, which was posted on March 26, 2012. The feature was entitled “The War Against Youth.” Check out this passage:

http://www.esquire.com/features/young-people-in-the-recession-0412

“Nobody ever talks about generational conflict. Who wants to bring up that the old are eating the young at the dinner table? How are you going to mention that to your boss? If you're a politician, how are you going to tell your donors? Even the Occupy Wall Street crowd - while rejecting the modes and rhetoric and institutional support of Boomer progressives - shied away from articulating the fundamental distinction that fills their spaces with crowds: young against old.” [Emphasis in original]

Why Would an “Educator” Believe Such Nonsense?!:

On July 11, 2012, Paul Campos called this liar out on his blog entry labeled "Life is a carnival."  Read this biting commentary:

http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2012/07/life-is-carnival.html

“Now LeDuc -- who got paid $523,000 by Cooley in 2009 per IRS Form 990 – is basically just a carnival barker with a law degree, but his style of argumentation is all too typical of the things that pass for knowledge in much of both legal academia and the legal profession. (I recently heard a high-ranking member of the Colorado legal establishment make a similarly absurd argument about a looming lawyer shortage brought on by imminent boomer retirements).

LeDuc, like so many other people in this thing of ours, is an unabashed grifter, making up on the fly whatever argument he thinks might work on his target audience, while ignoring evidence, logic, and any constraints that might be generated by a sense of honor or the ability to feel shame.” [Emphasis mine]

As you can see, this academic swindler/pig has many rea$on$ to put forth such rubbish. If prospective law students understand the economics of the legal “profession” – prior to enrolling – then they may choose to forego law school altogether. This would result in fewer victims for Cooley and other ABA-accredited garbage pits.

The Numbers Reflect Reality and Refute LeDuc's Baseless Claim:

On June 27, 2011, the New York Times Economix blog published Catherine Rampell’s story “The Lawyer Surplus, State by State.”

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/the-lawyer-surplus-state-by-state/

For the years 2010-2015, EMSI estimates that there will be 862 annual attorney openings in the state of Michigan. However, a total of 1,024 people passed the Michigan bar exam in 2009. This represents a surplus of 162 lawyers for that state. These numbers were compiled by Economic Modeling Specialists, Inc. They were not furnished by $elf-intere$ted law school cockroaches, or from another highly-motivated group.

Conclusion: Paul Campos is correct in his assessment of Don LeDuc: he is merely trying to get as many asses into seats as possible. The law school pigs are FULLY AWARE of the shrinking legal job market facing current students and recent graduates. They cannot claim ignorance. The “professors” and administrators read articles documenting the glutted industry. What do you think those ass-clowns do in their offices – actual work?!?!

Tellingly, Don LeDuc did not provide ANY statistics or facts to back up his garbage argument. Furthermore, he has many reasons for deceiving optimistic lemmings. In sum, when someone has that much money riding on the outcome - and no foundation for his beliefs - then you cannot take their words as anything more than an asinine sales pitch. Lastly, if you are considering attending law school - and you see yourself as a future attorney - then be confident in that part of your brain that applies basic logic and common sense. Are you going to listen to a self-interested swine who has no evidence to support his assertion - or will you rely on the facts?

37 comments:

  1. Much like something else that old ladies say about old men, the law career is the last thing to go down before the coffin lid.

    Or at least I know of quite a few pretty elderly lawyers that are still in business.

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  2. This guy thinks old lawyers retire? Strange. Isn't being able to work until you're a bag of bones one of the selling points when asshole professors mention the law as a good career?

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  3. Donald LeDuc's observations are plainly ignorant and downright designed to induce more lemmings to enroll at Cooley, which arguably has the worst reputation in the legal community. They have a published their own rankings scheme which they claim to be the number 2 law school in America, ahead of Yale and Stanford. When has a Cooley grad clerked for SCOTUS or a Federal Circuit Court? Gee, with its increased library square footage at the newly opened Tampa satelite campus, Cooley may finally top Harvard as the no. 1 law school in their own sham rankings.

    Here is the bottom line about "retiring attorneys." I know dozens of septuagenarian and a several octogenarian attorneys who expressed retiring when they drop dead. Many of these attorneys have health problems but would rather risk a heart attack or a stress induced panic attack rather than sit at home doing nothing. Most of these people have had their retirement plans wiped out by the recession and the equity in their homes has been eliminated by the housing collapse. Many of these "retiring attorneys" that LeDuc references CANNOT afford to retire.

    Also, LeDuc says that the "retiring attorneys" will create a shortage of public interest lawyers. This is complete rubbish as I know of no older (60 years or older) attorney who works for legal aid or the Public Defender's office. These jobs are usually held by 30-40 year olds who are stuck and cannot lateral into private practice.

    This profession has been glutted since the late '70s but now there are so many attorneys that in DC, attorneys outnumber laypeople. I believe there are 2 attorneys for every layperson in DC today.

    LeDuc just wants to perpetuate the money train. He has over half a million reasons to make wild and unfounded proclamations about the profession. Cooley? Wow, toxic school, noxious debt, and poor career prospects--a recipe for financial and professional disaster.

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  4. The above commenter is correct. I must point out one small error. Cooley does not arguably have the worst reputation among law schools. It definitely has the worst reputation. I mean, it has several campuses and markets itself as friendly to minorities.

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  5. 'Step right up! Win a big plush turtle for your girl. You can toss a softball can't ya?? Well, step right up. It's as easy as this (tosses ball into big basket). See? If you can do that, you can win your girl a prize. One hundred thousand dollars a pitch. You can't miss!'

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  6. Cooley Law is a financial and cultural disaster.

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  7. "Cooley Law is a financial and cultural disaster."

    for students*

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  8. If he can see that by looking into his crystal ball, why isn't this guy at Vegas every weekend?

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  9. All these law school deans are just running a Ponzi scheme endorsed by the ABA. It shocked me to discover that law schools counted as employed someone working as a waitress or at a car-wash 9 months after graduation. And that only includes the people who responded to survey when the bulk of the grads do not respond b/c of embarrassment. And if you are an unemployed law grad after the 9 month period has passed, then you are on your own even though technically you are an "alumnus" of the law school. Since there never will be a follow up of your status ever again for the rest of your life, the law school could care less if you are sleeping under a bridge on skid-row.

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  10. Christ this is desperate....people are on to the lawl skool scam, LeDuc says "Double down! You can't lose! The market will be your slave in a mere five years when all the oldsters retire!"

    You can't make horseshit any more transparent than this.

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  11. I'd like to see a documentary that finds several naive students who apply to these toilets and exposes them to the scamblogs and the hard data on just what they are getting themselves into. I'm curious about the students' reactions when they learn that the grads of these institutions often cannot find work that pays the exorbitant student loans. I was a lemming thinking of signing up to a local CA-accredited toilet of all places before these blogs utterly destroyed my view of law school and the law in general.

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  12. I graduated Cooley many years ago. All I can say in simple terms, based on my personal experience, if I had to do it all over again I never would have even considered going to law school. My high school classmates who never went to college after graduation are actually doing much better than I am doing. Plus. they do not have any student loans either. Graduate school in general is over-hyped. You should see the various Youtube videos on the English language news channel RussiaToday about how higher education is a scam. Most notably, look for an interview with finance experts Peter Schiff or Gerald Celente. That is all I can say.

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  13. Reminds me of the 70s classic science fiction movie "Logan's Run, the first movie that had Farah Facet on screen, where the futuristic city had a policy that all people who reach a certain age had to be exterminated. Maybe Leduc was watching that movie the night he wrote his article and he had confused the issues.

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  14. This fraud should be partnered with the valvoline dean on the next amazing race. They can ride in the valvoline deans shiny new mercedes amg which is powered by the enslaved souls of settttton law grads

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  15. Nando--great blog and thank you for your efforts to publicize the scam.

    This tool is full of shit. There is no reason whatsoever to think that older practicing lawyers are retiring. Most of them are more or less broke, and the ones that aren't would rather keel over in court from a heart attack or stroke than sit at home doing nothing. Im in my mid-40s and anticipate working until I croak since social security will be gone before too long, as will Medicare, and the recession has decimated my 401k and property holdings. I just hope I don't get some terrible disease, in which case I could just end things quickly.

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  16. Law is just marketing whether its a personal injury lawyer tv ad or fake lawyer hacks who teach who needs to publish an article to keep the flow of students coming. All in the name of money. Marketing classes should be 90% of law school. I make money as a lawyer for reasons that mostly have nothing to do with law. This fraud is like obama. Just tell outregeoua lies and dare someone to say something. No one gives a fuck so the lies keep coming

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  17. 8:18 well at least there is some lube for those who are getting fucked. Maybe there is enough decency to give them a reach-around?

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  18. Lots of wisdom on here. You guys are onto the scam. It's a shame higher ed is a scam, because we need an educated populace. We just don't need pretty much every single American to get a college degree.

    Fact: The decent jobs of the future are limited. Technology has shrunk the need for more workers, as fewer skilled workers can do more today than teams in the past.

    And we also can;t get around the following:

    A. the connected are set almost from birth;
    B. there will be some career openings set aside for minorities (usually the hot ones with vaginas);
    C. those from middle class and lower class families can earn a shot, but they will have less stability;
    D. you also get to compete with skilled workers from dirt poor countries with ginormous populations like India.

    It's a brave new world. So where does that leave you? You can still work in retail (fast food comes to mind) and in call centers. Oh wait. You'll be competing with illegals, automated systems, and giant pools of third world labor for some of those jobs too. Isn't America great?

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  19. http://www.legalnews.com/washtenaw/1364461/

    From that same Legal News piece, check out these quotes from practicing lawyers in Michigan:

    “Brendon Beer, a Jackson attorney with Abbott, Thomson & Beer, said older attorneys tend to stick around.

    "Lawyers don't retire," Beer said. "Some have not prepared financially for retirement, some identify themselves as lawyers and retirement would mean a loss of that identity, others simply love what they do. The reality is that if you want/need to work, being a lawyer is a job you can do for a very long time. It is warm in winter, cool in the summer and there is no heavy lifting."

    This is the damn truth! This may be the case with “older” men in construction jobs. Of course, younger workers – including illegal immigrants – can replace those who leave. The body does not hold up too well, after years or decades of such work. Being a lawyer is not physically exhausting or mentally taxing. Hell, a game of chess versus a decent opponent requires more brain power and stamina than practicing law.

    Beer continued – and pointed out LeDuc’s motivation for spreading this garbage:

    "I understand that law schools like Cooley want to create the image that there is job availability in the legal market because their graduates are struggling to get jobs and law school graduates struggling to find employment is bad for business. However, I would not tell potential students that the aging legal population will translate into jobs. I have seen that theory proven false. When I started as a lawyer 10 years ago, after graduating from Cooley, I made the foolish assumption that these lawyers I saw in their fifties, sixties and seventies, would be retiring. Ten years later, they are in their sixties, seventies and eighties, and I work with them every day."

    A recently-retired Michigan lawyer provided his views:

    “Dennis Whedon is a Jackson attorney who retired 10 years ago but still pays his dues to the state bar. Whedon said he knows many of the older attorneys in Jackson County.

    "There are some who are going to be retiring in the relatively near future and some who have semi-retired and are practicing on a limited basis," Whedon said. "I don't see a shortage of lawyers; maybe a shortage of people with a depth of experience. But graduating more lawyers isn't going to change that. The people I talk to in Jackson have indicated to me that there is a lack of work for lawyers. I believe that results from too many lawyers."

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  20. Another lawyer refutes Don LeDuc’s lie:

    “Ann Arbor Attorney Steven Tramontin said he hadn't heard any talk about older attorneys leaving and creating more jobs.

    "Statistics and conversations with colleagues led me to the conclusion that the legal job market is quite saturated," he said.”

    Check out this excerpt:

    “Tom Oldakowski, an Ann Arbor attorney who has been in practice for two and a half years, said the supply of attorneys right now outweighs the demand.

    "I do a see an aging job force for attorneys, but I don't see them retiring," he said. "The attorneys I know usually work part time or go into mediation. Of the attorneys that I know who claim they retired, a few them are still working part time and a few of them have opened mediation practices. That doesn't create too many opportunities for others to break in. If you are at the top of the field and know everything about it, why would you retire? That is a thought that most attorneys share."

    Does anyone notice that these four lawyers are not affiliated with FOURTH TIER TRASH PIT Thomas M. Cooley Law Sewer? Go with an unbiased opinion, especially when it comes from those who work in that field. The law school pigs are failed attorneys – typically because they hated the workload or had the social skills of a banshee. They must rely on recruiting more students each year, in order to make their handsome compensation for minimal "work." They will do and say almost anything to keep their classes full.

    As another commenter pointed out, law school cockroaches use the potential to work for several decades as a selling point. In fact, deans and “professors” gleefully tell their students/victims – during orientation – “This is a great career. You can practice law until you are in your 70s or 80s.”

    Of course, the students do not then logically think, “Well, that means old fart lawyers and dinosaurs today can work until they are on their deathbeds.” Then again, the students are in full law school mode during orientation. The pigs rely on these fools only looking at the potential benefits of being attorneys, without looking at the likely downside.

    The law school swine KNOW the score, with regard to the following: (a) crushing student debt; (b) the shrinking legal job market; (c) the role of automation and foreign doc review; (d) the fact that those from lower and middle class backgrounds – including racial minorities - will have a MUCH more difficult time finding decent attorney positions; and (e) that non-legal employers are leery of hiring those with JDs.

    The bastards can claim to be ignorant of the situation, but they are BLATANTLY LYING if they make that argument. Don LeDuc is another academic hustler seeking to keep the gravy train of federally-backed student loans rolling.

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  21. That's funny. I thought carnival barkers were held to a higher standard than law deans.

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  22. Jack Marshall is at it again ....

    http://ethicsalarms.com/2012/07/08/the-difference-between-unemployed-scientists-and-unemployed-lawyers/

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  23. Jack Marshall is a human shit pile.

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  24. If you could buy shares in a law school, you'd be a rich motherfucker.

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  25. What a cunt!

    And @12:50PM above - professors have essentially bought shares in law school: huge salaries, long vacations, no duties other than "teaching" two courses a semester, and every few years they get a whole year off as a sabbatical. They are raking in the profits from the law school machine. The professors and administrators are the shareholders in this for-profit system.

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  26. Jack "mustard tooth" marshall wants to take on jdu and nando. This will not end well for him i suspect.

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  27. Agree with 2:40. The professors and deans are the shareholders. They do minimal work for big pay. They don't even teach their students how to practice law. So what the hell exactly are you paying for when you pay tuition? You're basically just paying so the scammers can live well.

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  28. I always thought a job as a law professor was the cushiest job one could find. Six figure salary, work essentially part time, guaranteed job security, generous vacation and pension. A gravy train that won't last forever.

    Law schools do not teach one how to practice law. They give you a credential that is necessary to enter the profession. Learning how to practice occurs on the job which is one reason this trend of recent law school graduates "hanging out a shingle" is ludicrous. How many new graduates know how to conduct discovery, argue a suppression motion, or file a habeas petition?? When you get out of law school you learn to practice by working for someone else--a large or small firm, non profit law group, or government agency--where someone supervises your work for a few years until you actually know what you are doing. I would like to see a study of how things work out for graduates who open a solo practice right out of law school.

    Another pet peeve--why dont law schools teach you how to pass the bar? Why, after spending six figures for a law degree, should you have to spend even more money on a bar review course?

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  29. What's the shittiest law school in America?

    (Hint: it ends in ooley)

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  30. http://thecareerist.typepad.com/thecareerist/2011/12/cooley-law-schools-dean.html

    As you can see, Don LeDuc is not the only liar employed by TTTThoma$ M. Cooley Law Sewer. On December 7, 2011, the Careerist published a piece from reporter Vivia Chen entitled “Dean of Besieged Law School Says Grads Are Fine – Generally.” Check out this garbage quote from Nelson P. Miller, who is the associate dean for the Grand Rapids campus:

    “The national economic downturn hurt the legal profession, but lawyers clearly fared well compared to the general population and other management and professional occupations. Recent law graduates have not fared as well as more experienced lawyers, but they still fare better than the general population.”

    http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2010/11/profiles-in-willful-ignorance-cooley.html

    Back on November 2, 2010, Nelson P. Miller was featured on this blog – due to his piece in the October 2010 edition of the Michigan Bar Journal labeled “Legal Education as a Pie-Maker: Why Michigan Benefits from Accessible Law Schools.” Here is a filthy portion:

    http://www.michbar.org/journal/pdf/pdf4article1751.pdf

    “Crows” challenges bar leaders to “avoid diluting the ranks of practitioners to ensure high-quality attorneys for all clients.” Yet whom do we exclude from the profession? Minorities remain underrepresented in the profession, even though nearly all the growth in law school enrollment in the past several decades has been among women and minorities. New law schools have removed traditional barriers to legal education. “Crows” encourages lawyers to “raise the bar” to the profession, but a rising bar can look like a closing door, especially when the proposals center on small-firm, solo, and part-time practitioners and graduates of affordable law school programs.”

    Notice how this academic hustler relies on an old argument, i.e. “We can’t exclude minorities from the profession.” The fact is that these pigs DO NOT GIVE ONE DAMN about the typical law student or graduate – including racial minorities or those from modest backgrounds.

    If anything, this fourth tier cesspool is consigning tons of minorities to student debt hell. If black graduates from decent schools have difficulty finding legal employment, then how does a degree from the biggest ABA-accredited garbage pit going to help these students land solid attorney positions?!?!

    At this point, you should easily recognize that industry cockroaches rely heavily on straw man arguments to make their “case” that law school is a wise decision. Of course, these bastards are making these TTTT claims out of rampant self-interest. Would you take the word of a pawn shop owner as gospel, with regards to him claiming that he sells “the finest merchandise”? Hell, at least with a pawn shop, you expect this sort of conduct.

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  31. When Jeanne Kirkpatrick served as this country's UN Ambassador, South Africa's blacks were still living under the yoke of Apartheid. Yet she claimed there was "democracy" in that country.

    Any chance this guy was a student of hers?

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  32. Higher education is a business. Get that through your heads.

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    1. Higher education WAS a public trust - fucking greedheads MADE it into a business.

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    2. A "business" almost entirely funded by the government. Moron.

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    3. The same to you, Anonymous Libertarian shitstain.

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  33. 2:44 PM--"the government" is only us. We are funding this scam by way of our tax dollars. If you don't agree try withholding some of your tax bill from the IRS and tell them you don't want to pay for someone's $150K JD from Cooley--and see what happens.

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  34. Law is just marketing whether its a personal injury lawyer tv ad or fake lawyer hacks who teach who needs to publish an article to keep the flow of students coming. All in the name of money. Marketing classes should be 90% of law school. I make money as a lawyer for reasons that mostly have nothing to do with law. This fraud is like obama. Just tell outregeoua lies and dare someone to say something. No one gives a fuck so the lies keep coming

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