Saturday, July 7, 2012

Third Tier Waste Heap: West Virginia University College of Law


http://law.wvu.edu/about_us

Tuition: Since the pathetic bitches at this public sewer only provide 2010-2011 tuition rates, we need to head to another location for this info. According to US “News” & World Report, in-state, full-time tuition will amount to $16,423 for the 2012-2013 school year. Nonresidents attending this trash pit on a full-time basis will face a bill of $31,367 - for 2012-2013. It’s good to see that public toilets are providing low-cost alternatives to students, right?!?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+5

Ranking: At such prohibitive costs, surely this public “institution of higher learning” must have one hell of a reputation in the legal and academic communities! If you believe this and you don’t want your faith shattered, then skip the rest of this paragraph and make yourself a sandwich. As you can see, US “News” lists West Virginia University Commode of Law as the 101st greatest, most prestigious and marvelous law school in the entire nation! It shares this honorable rating with the following garbage heaps: St. Louis University, TTTexa$ TTTech Univer$iTTTy, University of the Pacific, and Villanova “University.” 

http://law.wvu.edu/career_services

Supposed Employment Placement Statistics: According to this commode, 93.5% of the JD Class of 2011 was employed within nine months of graduation. Allegedly, 61.2 percent of these graduates ended up in private practice.

Apparently, the school has nothing against counting JDs working at the Brass Alley Pub - or as a claims adjuster for State Farm - as “employed.” Of course, these bastards and cockroaches constantly lecture students on the importance of “ethics” and “avoiding even the appearance of impropriety.” For $ome rea$on, these principles do not apply to the law schools.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+7

Average Law Student Indebtedness: USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the We$TTT Virginia Univer$iTTTy JD Class of 2011 who incurred debt for law school - as $70,078. Furthermore, 86 percent of this school’s 2011 class took on such toxic debt. This figure does not take undergraduate debt into account.

http://media.herald-dispatch.com/data_library/wvpay.php

Administrator and Faculty Salary Info: Let’s take a glance at how well the academic hustlers/thieves are doing, in contrast to their debt-strapped students and graduates. The Herald-Dispatch lists salaries for the 2007 calendar year. Keep in mind that these figures are not comprehensive, i.e. they likely do not include bonuses or other compensation. Enter the last name of the pigs listed below, as well as university under Department:

Joyce McConnell, now dean of the commode, made $194,048.46 in salary. David Hardesty, “president” emeritus and “professor of law,” raked in $181,659.34. Ass-Clown Gerald Ashdown “earned” $146,054.10 - as something comically referred to as “James H. "Buck" and June M. Harless professor of law.” Robert Bastress rolled around in $141,729.60.

These are very handsome salaries for Appalachia, especially considering that these figures are five years old. Remember that the bastards have easy-ass teaching schedules. Plus, the swine do not train students how to practice law! 

http://law.wvu.edu/public_service

“WVU Law promotes public service through the Center for Law and Public Service, which encourages students to engage in public interest law, fosters dialogue about current legal services and policy issues, and helps students to become leaders who seek creative solutions for achieving equal access to justice. The Center offers multiple avenues including externships, public service fellowships, and volunteer service opportunities.” [Emphasis mine]

The pigs act as if they are pumping out graduates with the ability and financial independence to go out and save the world. This takes cynicism to another level. Recent graduates weighed down with a mortgage of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt are unable to engage in these endeavors - to any great extent. The school simply wants to exploit these students further, with “externships” and unpaid “placements.”

Conclusion: West Virginia University Commode of Law is a rancid waste pile that operates for the benefit of “professors,” staff and administrators. The students are a mere means to an end, i.e. big-ass salaries for cushy jobs. The administrators and faculty are paid up front, in full. YOU, the student and graduate, will be left holding the bag of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt. Furthermore, you will not be equipped to actually practice law - especially when opposed by competent, experienced attorneys. Despite what the shills claim, hanging a shingle upon graduation is foolish. Well-established attorneys and firms can blow your ass out of the water, with their advertising alone. In addition, they actually know what the hell they are doing - with regards to this “profession.” If you still like your odds, then you may be a hopeless gambling fiend.

36 comments:

  1. Nando,

    First of all, thanks so much for continuing to get the word out on these institutions. I used to be a resident of West Virginia and was accepted to this law school back in '91. It was my safety school so I ended up going to Tulane because of their "outstanding" Maritime Law program. I sometimes regret not attending WVU because, at that time at least, my debt would have been far less than what I incurred at Tulane. I also would have been in roughly the same position 20 years later--working in another career outside of the law.

    You know though, I still get a kick out of receiving Tulane's letters requesting alumni donations. In addition to the good laugh, it provides me with kindling for my fireplace.

    Everyone reading this, follow Nando's advice and DO NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL!!!

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  2. The legal profession is terrible. I mean plenty of lawyers and former lawyers will tell you this. It's no secret. it's just not worth the cost in terms of family relationships, stress or money. Making it worse is the fact that the law schools keep pumping out too many grads even though Biglaw clients are going on the cheap.

    Why pay some firm big bucks to train a baby lawyer? Go with in house counsel. Or rely on doc reviewers in India. (Or NYC boiler room basements for that matter.) If you're going to law school now, you're buying the few remaining tickets on the Titanic.

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  3. The US Government Accountability Office was looking at my blog this past week.

    I wonder if someone there might care about how the overpaid Law Schools and Universities, Private Golf Course owner Albert Lord and Sallie Mae, The Private Collection Agencies and so on have been the source of much taxpayer waste by expoliting the Student Lending System the way they have.

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  4. Last night, I had dinner with a college buddy who went to law school 12 years after we graduated from college. He went to a T50 on a partial scholarship. Prior to going to law school, he was making $120K as a biochemist. So he decided that he peaked at his former job and decided to become a non-trad law student at the age of 33. Fast forward to today. He is 40 years old, owes $105K in student loans and earns $60K a year in NYC. He went from making $120K 8 years ago with no debt to cutting his salary by 50% and carrying $105K in student loans. He is a smart guy, realizes he will never own a house, get married, have kids or have a bank account (to avoid Sallie Mae's bank levies). I suspect he works using a Tax ID Number instead of his social security number so that Sallie Mae doesn't garnish his wages. I don't consider this guy to be a typical lemming. He had a 2.8 GPA but a 176LSAT score. Today, he probably could have attended Rutgers, sorry, Rowan Law School, for free. But alas, he went to law school during the model and bottles day. Kids, Nando makes no money from this site. He is telling you the cold hard and brutal truth. Do not listen to the law school deans or law professors who are only going to paint a rosy picture to sucker you in and keep the gravy train locomotive running full steam ahead.

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  5. An ugly reality of the law school scam .... six figure student loan debt, suicide attempt, and facing homelessness.

    http://www.homelessforums.org/showthread.php?t=8649

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  6. This blog pulls no punches. Maybe it's a little rough for some people's tastes. But 11:13 makes a good point. Nando makes nothing doing this site. He's giving facts and citing to the numbers published by the schools themselves. On the other hand, you have highly paid professors and deans with the right credentials and they can't muster a defense. Shit, the other day ITLSS posted a letter that was sent to Valparaiso students, letting them know they need to raise tuition. And that it's not their fault the compensation costs are so high. It's unreal how full of shit these people are. I for one am glad these sites exist. If you can get past the language and tone, you'll see this site is performing a true public service.

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  7. The salaries aren't that much. You guys act like law professors don't do shit.

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  8. @3:46 That's because law professors don't do shit. You "teach" for 3 hours a week, if that, and grade exams 2x a year. Wait until more law schools close and you have to get a real job and work 10 hours a day for a lot less than you get now.

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  9. If you are an 0L, I have a serious suggestion for you. You are weeks away from embarking on a disastrous 3 year journey through the "academic" black hole known as law school. You have been warned, yet you still believe the law school dean who assures you that by the time you graduate, the economy will be better (the law school deans have been using this tired script since 2009). Before you enroll this Fall, ask to speak to your law school dean personally. If he has no time for you, drop out. If he does meet with you, ask him to explain to you how the legal market will rebound by 2015 when the Federal Reserve is in its 3rd round of quantitative easing and the capital markets are still anemic. Ask him why Detroit aka "The Motor City" has not rebounded when the U.S. Government bailed out GM and Chrysler. Ask him how the legal market will rebound when the production of lawyers outpaces the need by 3:1. Have the dean explain how need for attorneys will soar when the ABA approved the outsourcing of legal jobs to India and the Philippines where barristers are willing to work for cents on the dollar compared to US wages. Ask the law school dean if Dewey LeBeouf will rebound from bankruptcy. If the dean stalls or pauses for a long time to answer any of these questions, run away from law school.

    Look, Nando is sort of like the Dark Knight. He went through the system and humbly realizes how he was fucked over by it. He is trying to save you and as has been mentioned, he is not profiting from this site. The law school deans want to continue making $500K a year for uttering lies to impressionable college grads. When you graduate, that dean will shake your hand while he gives you a worthless degree and off you go while he continues to rake in the dough from his nice operation. Lemmings, stop believing everything these self-interested academics tell you. They want your money to continue the nice lifestyle of paid sabbaticals, 3-6 hour work weeks and the opportunity for you, their benefactor, to grovel at their feet and kiss their asses. This profession is a Cancer that starts from law school. Save yourself. You have been warned.

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  10. Stream law school on Netflix for $8.99 per month. Total cost of attendance less than $500 for the whole degree.

    We don't need sacred cow law professors teaching three hours a week. Get rid of them.

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  11. When I went to law school in 2000 (Ohio State Moritz LW '03) things were a little better than they are now. People flocked to school then because of the dot com bubble. It was a house of cards. As such, it was destined to come crumbling down. But even then, tuition was almost affordable compared to now. It seems like forever ago, but it was only 9 years ago. Tuition at state and private schools has gone through the roof all over the country.

    No one does anything about it. You have a few voices in the wilderness speaking the truth. And thank God for them. Others are starting to catch on to the scam. It takes time, like anything else. But sooner or later, you are going to see family members ask their college grad if it's really a good idea for them to go to law school. These deans should be running scared. I can't picture them successfully practicing law. But with anything else, the real culprits will get off scot free. The real criminals will take early retirement or become academic consultants (or expert trial witnesses) for corporations.

    Law school is a scam. Those with connections don't even really need the degree. They might just want it so they can tell themselves they actually achieved something in life. Those without connections or money are sacrificial lambs for the law schools. It's criminal.

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  12. Great post!! very informative.
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    1. An "Engineering college in Jaipur" is indeed a better choice than law school...

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  13. http://law.wvu.edu/

    On the commode’s main page, you will notice that the school has provided a propaganda slideshow. For instance, on the fifth image, the pigs posted a picture of the law school with the following DISHONEST DESCRIPTION:

    ‘U.S. NEWS AND WORLD REPORT RANKS WVU LAW AMONG THE NATION’S FINEST LAW SCHOOLS.’

    That is odd, seeing that the defunct magazine placed this garbage heap in the third tier of U.S. law schools. Is the school trying to maintain that the law school is now magically in the first tier, due to special edict of Pussy Bob Morse?!?!

    http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/u.s._news_may_rank_third-tier_law_schools/

    On January 11, 2011, the ABA Journal published a piece by Debra Cassens Weiss, under the headline “U.S. News May Rank Third-Tier Law Schools.” Take a look at this excerpt:

    “U.S. News & World Report is considering ranking law schools that are now lumped together in a third-tier category.

    U.S. News research director Robert Morse revealed the possibility last week in a meeting of the Association of American Law Schools, the National Law Journal reports. "It's something that we're looking into," he said. "We think the public finds numerical ranking more understandable.”

    Currently, only the top 100 law schools are ranked. Even if U.S. News decides to rank third-tier schools, those that fall into the fourth tier still won’t be given a number.”

    Derek Tokaz posted the following comment on that entry, at 12:12 pm on the same day: “Great way to sell magazines to the 50% of law school applicants who won’t be going to a top 100 school.”

    Later on, this douche-bag tried to make the case that US “News” had indeed eliminated the third and fourth tiers. Yes, because the magazine has trademarked those terms. Also, how the hell can those among “the top 75 percent” of any group or category comprise the first tier of that cohort?! Do you hear anyone argue that the best 24 NFL teams are the top tier of the league?!?! Not unless they have recently been struck in the head with a hard object, in which case they at least have an excuse for making such a ridiculous claim.

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  14. On March 14, 2011, Morse wrote the following garbage, which was labeled “How U.S. News Calculated the 2012 Graduate School Rankings”:

    http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/2011/03/14/how-us-news-calculated-the-2012-graduate-school-rankings

    “In response to interest from both readers and institutions in knowing where more law schools sit, we have extended the list of numerically ranked institutions from the top 100 to the top three-quarters of the schools. The remaining schools are listed alphabetically as the second tier.”

    Now when you click on this link, you are sent to the 2013 edition.

    http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/2012/03/12/how-us-news-calculated-the-2013-graduate-school-rankings?page=2

    “Schools/programs marked as Rank Not Published are listed alphabetically. Schools in the ranking that are based solely on a 5.0 peer assessment score are number ranked down to a peer assessment score of greater than or equal to 2.0. Schools with scores beneath 2.0 are listed in alphabetical order as Rank Not Published. These include the engineering specialties and all the ranking in the sciences, social sciences and humanities, the health arena, and many other areas based solely on the ratings of academic experts.”

    In the end, a school that is rated 101st by a magazine cannot honestly make the claim that the same publication ranks your toilet “among the nation’s finest law schools.” This further shows you that the schools are simply trying to sell a bill of goods to their students, i.e potential customers/victims. In this country, “higher education” is another commodity. The students are merely a means to an end, i.e. a big-ass paycheck for cushy “law professor” positions.

    http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/2011/03/taking-ball-shrinkage-disorder-to.html

    Anyone who wants to re-read my March 20, 2011 entry on Vagina Bob Morse, head to the link above. The cockroach no longer argues that his rag has removed the third tier. He now provides a numeric ranking to those in that category, while listing the fourth tier trash pits under “Rank Not Published.”

    If you are considering this school - and you see this PUBLISHED LIE on the front page - then you clearly should not bother with the commode. If the “educators” and failed lawyers are openly willing to deceive prospective students, imagine what they will do once your ass is enrolled as a student. Flush this toilet, and don’t look back! In fact, if you are not from a connected, wealthy family, don't attend law school at all. Unless, of course, you want to go into serious NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt so that you can fund the lifestyles of these pigs - and you are willing to pay for this idiotic decision for the next 25-30 years.

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  15. I realize this is an issue that Nando hardly discusses but it is worth mentioning. Schools such as WVU College of Law try to reach out to minority applicants. After admitting them and taking their money, what support is given to minority students? We all know that Biglaw and Fortune 500 companies only hire minorities to satisfy diversity requirements imposed by clients so what happens to the other 99.9% of minorities that strike out at OCI? In the case of Keith L. Wheaton, a WVU College of Law grad, he tries to hang a shingle and make a run as a solo. What happens when the solo gets sued for malpractice and you, the minority lawyer has to file for Chapter 7 bankruptcy to avoid the malpractice liability? What happens when your clients start submitting ethics complaints against you? Well in the case of Keith L. Wheaton, you get suspended and denied reinstatement. Here is a guy who has been suspended for the past 8 years. Do you think the school cared about the perils of its former alum? No, the checks have been long cashed and it is on to the next crop of suckers. These schools are fleecing our youth and there is no accountability. In other words, you snatch an old lady's purse which contains $10 and you get 3-5 years. These law school deans, administrators and professors siphon billions of dollars from the government for supplying a worthless product that has been propped up by fraudulent lies and stats. Yet these fuckers stay out of jail and continue their criminal enterprises. If you want to read about Keith Wheaton (especially how the WVU Supreme Court of Appeals lynched him), here are the links:

    https://www.facebook.com/keith.l.wheaton

    http://www.courtswv.gov/supreme-court/memo-decisions/fall2011/35462memo.pdf

    Personally, I don't think Wheaton is a bad guy. He is just another minority who had no support system from the school that just took his money and sent him to wolves' den without the tools to even have a fighting chance.

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    1. you haven't a clue all the lies he told how many were screwed over because he was incompetent... he was only a tax lawyer not as he represented himself... you talk about those taking money from him.. hell tell you 50k was just a retainer for me.. how many others did he rip off... he got off easy .. the onces he screwed up like me 14 yrs screwed over... he starts anew as victim over coming the white-man..

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  16. Going along the lines of what 8:28 said, I cringe when I see law school dogs say they're opening the doors of the profession to minorities.

    Yeah, and they're only financially ruining those same minorities for the opportunity. They don't have the connections to make it. Biglaw and federal agencies will pick up a few to fill their diversity goals, but most are in for a hard fall. It's indefensible.

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    1. If someone wanted to make a stink about it, they could say that these law schools "targeted" and "lured in" disadvantaged minorities, much the same as the mortgage lenders were accused of doing a couple of years ago. The evidence to support this charge would be OVERWHELMING, what with minority job fairs, aggressive recruiting, diversity coordinators, etc. I don't see how any law school could deny the FACTS - instead, it would be a debate about whether these schools were doing the minorities a "favor," or robbing them.

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  17. @8:28 - Keith Wheaton does not sound like a good guy at all. I read the decisions relating to his initial disbarment, along with the decision not to reinstate his license. What he did was really, really bad. Using client funds to pay closing costs on your own home and not filing causes of action when you told clients you did are really serious violations of legal ethics.

    On the other hand, is what Wheaton did that much different from what law school administrators do? Not really. They lie to incoming students all the time. They lead students to believe that their award winning faculites and highly ranked certificate programs and prestigious journals are virtual guarantees of success in life. Granted, they probably don't commingle student funds and personal funds. They have a legalized version of converting student funds in the form of bloated salaries.

    I guess the lesson here is if you are a solo practitioner and you rip people off, you lose your law license, get fined and end up broke with no chance of getting your license back. If you are a law school administrator and you rip students off, you get to enroll more students each year and the federal government gives you guaranteed funds for your efforts. To make it better, you get to increase tuition every year.

    Ya think maybe something is wrong with this system?

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  18. Here's another problem with legal education in America: pretty much anyone who wants to go to law school can get in somewhere. You don't see that with medical schools.

    The formula is pretty simple. Major in something easy and kick the bejeezus out of it. Get at least a 3.5 GPA and then score at least 150 on the LSAT. And we all know you can get into several schools with a 2.9 and 146.

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    1. Chiropractic school ranks right up there with this toilet bowl. Large student loan debts to pay lousy administration at worthless chiropractic schools. They do not teach one how to be a chiropractor either.

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  19. ^That's unfortunately part of the appeal to many lemmings. They know they can get into law school with shitty numbers.

    They don't have the smarts or science background to get into medical school. In college they can major in bullshit like political science or English lit and get accepted to law school. What I'm noticing lately is lemmings know the job market sucks, but they tell themselves they can make a difference in the lives of others. Idiots. Making things worse is most college grads don't know anything about finance and student loans.

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  20. The whole law thing is a scam. If you represent PI clients, you can't even mention that the defendant has insurance and that his lawyer is paid for by the insurance companies. So juries see some sad sack small businessman defendant and they don't want to put him out of business because some greedy old lady decided to slip on a patch of ice and split her head open.

    You also can't mention (or insinuate) to a jury that if they find your injured client 50% or in some states 5-10% at fault, then they get no award. And forget all the stuff hidden from juries in motions hearings. Plus, if the system was legit, why don't both sides just pick 12 people at random? It's because they know it's a show and a political game. It's a total scam. You guys ought to focus on that more.

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  21. John carpenter needs to do "they live part 2" with lae school deans admins and profs playong the hideous orwellian alien freaks

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  22. I have a loving message for law school deans, administrators and law professors across America. The jig is up motherfuckers. I guarantee within 5 years, there will be at least a dozen law school closings. Within 10 years, that number will quadruple. The top 50 law schools and state schools (although there may be exceptions see e.g., Rutgers-Camden) will survive the bloodbath but bottom feeding schools will drop like flies when enrollment numbers decline. This will lead the pigs to adopt desperate measures (i.e., let anyone with a 2.8GPA and a 150LSAT). Law schools will start enrolling marginal and outlier candidates who will have a hard time passing the bar exam, which will get tougher as current ABA members want to heighten the barriers to admission into the bar. Once bar passage dips below 75% for 3 years within a 5 year span, the ABA must strip accreditation. This is going to end badly for many of this charlatan scam artists. As a seasoned attorney, I cannot wait to pounce on these fucking con artists when they try to "re-integrate" in the legal profession. The bottom line is that these pigs, after feasting for years, will be slaughtered at the trough. It will be a sight to behold and I cannot wait.

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  23. As a recent 2012 grad, I really don't know why there would be much hate for WVU. I think the school placed about 25-30% of its class into NLJ firms. For the cheap price the school charges, that isn't bad at all. Better then a lot of other higher ranked schools, even.

    Is WVU great? Fuck no. Is it a decent school if you want to stay in WV? Absolutely. This legal market is pretty damn big. The state is ridiculously litigious, and there is a ton of work out here. Not just oil and gas work.

    I would never, ever recommend paying full out of state to go here or anything. But if you are either an in state resident or if you get a nice scholarship with no stipulations, then it's not a bad choice.

    This place is certainly better than most of the private schools above it. I'm sure it burries places like Seton Hall.

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  24. WVU is shit. You further proved that by misspelling the word buries.

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  25. To the Dumbass who claims to have graduated from We$TTT Virginia Univer$iTTTy Commode of Law in 2012,

    Check out this June 27, 2011 article from Catherine Rampell, which appeared in the June 27, 2011 edition of the New York Times Economix blog. The piece was entitled “The Lawyer Surplus, State by State.” Read this excerpt:

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/the-lawyer-surplus-state-by-state/

    “The numbers were crunched by Economic Modeling Specialists Inc. (also known as EMSI), a consulting company that focuses on employment data and economic analysis. The company’s calculations were based on the number of people who passed the bar exam in each state in 2009, versus an estimate of annual job openings for lawyers in those states. They also looked at data from the Department of Education on law school graduates each year to get another measure of the quantity of new lawyers. Estimates for the number of openings is based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Census Bureau."

    According to this model, every state but Wisconsin and Nebraska (plus Washington, D.C.) is producing many more lawyers than it needs.”

    Scroll down, moron, and look at the size of the lawyer surplus, in your precious state. Here are the numbers:

    Estimated annual attorney openings, from 2010-2015: 100
    West Virginia bar exam passers in 2009: 191
    Annual surplus: 91

    Do you see a problem with this overproduction, Bitch?!?! YOU claimed that the job market in West Virginia “is pretty damn big." The state has enough work for 100 new lawyers each year. Yes, that is one big-ass local legal industry, huh?!?!

    Hell, according to EMSI, 15 other jurisdictions are less glutted than West Virginia. Those desiring to practice law in West Virginia are entering a local job market that is tighter than the following locations: Montana, Maine, Arkansas, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Dakota, North Dakota, Idaho, Alaska, Delaware, Vermont, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Washington, D.C.

    http://www.hg.org/law-schools-west-virginia.asp

    As you can see, there is only one law school in the entire state of West Virginia. Who knows how much time will pass before someone purchases several double-wide trailers and seeks ABA accreditation for a new toilet?!

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  26. http://news.yahoo.com/yale-launches-ph-d-program-law-school-grads-175453947.html;_ylt=A2KJjbx8Ef5P4CUAPEfQtDMD

    Yale launching a PhD law school program. Is this a joke?

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  27. We're doomed..

    This is the tipping point for the law school scam, if true.

    If Yale law grads can't find jobs, considering its the #1 school and its alumni base, then Hel has truly frozen over.

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  28. After I posted that link, I went to Yale Law school's website. It is true.

    http://www.law.yale.edu/graduate/PHD_program.htm

    WTF WTF WTF WTF??????

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  29. Damn man, that is some hateful talk against the WVU grad who appears to provide some fairly objective statements about the place. I also went to WVU Law and could not stand it. The students all complain about it. There is no place to study privately at all. Further there is no real support for graduates. There are a few firms that take a few people and everyone else is left with their dicks in their hands. Friends of mine graduated and went on to be telemarketers and UPS package handlers (all counting towards WVU's high employment placement). The support staff is a joke and the profs are as stale as the building that houses the law school.

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  30. To the commenter above,

    Thank you for your insightful comment. After my second year at Third Tier Drake, I actually worked for UPS. I was on the late shift, and the warehouse was located in the worst part of town, of course. My wife was upset with the fact that she was supporting us, and that I was not making a financial contribution to the household.

    Hell, I even held onto that garbage job for the first month of my third year of law school. Who doesn't like getting off work at 5 am - and then not being able to get a few hours of sleep before their 9 am class? I actually considered sticking around a little longer. My friends and wife talked me into quitting my employment with the garbage heap known as UPS. I was already getting to leave.

    I witnessed a few injuries. The year before, I had pneumonia for the first - and hopefully only - time in my life. Ass-cold temperatures coupled with sweltering humidity can do that, even to those with solid constitutions. (MANY transplants, including my friends who were in medical school, were also hit with this lung infection.) Plus, I had "walking pneumonia" for several months, afterward. I remember stacking boxes, and dripping with sweat - with the cold air from the outside hitting me square in the neck and torso. Yes, those are ideal working conditions, right?!

    By the way, when I informed the night manager that I was leaving, he told me that I had "let them down" - because they had spent all those resources training me. Out of my "class" of roughly 12 people, only one or two stayed longer. Plus, the swine only paid $10 an hour - for the chance to work in dangerous conditions.

    In response, I ripped the manager a new rectum. When I went to pick up my last paychecks, he was not happy to see me. But he kept his mouth shut and handed my checks over, without causing a scene.

    The fact that ABA-accredited law schools are counting graduates who work in these non-legal jobs as "employed" SHOWS CONCLUSIVELY that these diploma mills do not give one damn about their former students. The American Bar Association is a cartel and it is run by those with criminal minds. The "professors" and administrators/cockroaches operate these "in$titution$ of higher learning" SOLELY for their own personal gain.

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  31. Why so much hate for a dirt cheap school? It's 16K in state and as long as you have realistic aspirations i.e. PD, PI and understand the underlying risk i.e. the decent chance of striking out in the legal market and winding up a barista, it doesn't seem that awful of a choice for in-state. I don't think that legal education represents a good bet, but this seems to be one of the better choices out of a bad lot.

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  32. I am SO glad I found this. It's almost 3 years later (2015) so I'm not sure if anyone will ever read this but you saved me from almost $100,000 in debt from attending WVU Law.

    I live 15 miles away in PA and they want to charge $33,000 a year for out of state compared to their $17,000 in-state. THAT'S A $13,000 DIFFERENCE FOR 15 MILES. Fucking ridiculous.

    I graduate this year and was stressing over if I want to take the LSATs or go into another profession and I'm definitely running in the other direction.

    Thanks for that.

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