Sunday, September 30, 2012

Profiles in Foul Porky Pies: Steven Davidoff, “Associate Professor” of Law and Finance at Ohio State University

The Liar Tosses a Bunch of Excrement on the Wall, in the Hopes That Some of it Will Stick:

On September 24, 2012, the New York Times DealBook published an article from Ohio State “law professor” Steven Davidoff, in which the pig defended the costs of “legal education.” The piece was entitled “The Economics of Law School.” The brief entry contains so many logical fallacies, false comparisons and straw men that it cannot be taken seriously. Take a look at the following DELIBERATELY DECEPTIVE excerpts from Davidoff:

“Law schools have come under fire during these tough economic times, with critics saying that they leave too many graduates in debt, chasing too few employment opportunities. But it could be worse. Consider the plight of veterinarians.

The average tuition and expenses for a veterinary degree at a private school has doubled in the last 10 years to over $200,000, well above the typical cost of law school. Yet their pay remains moribund at an average of $66,469 — much less than lawyers.

But unlike law schools, veterinary school is not regularly being called a scam or bubble. In fact, applications to veterinary schools were up about 2 percent last year.

Meanwhile, the number of applicants to law school is down 13.7 percent for this year’s class after a 10 percent drop from 2011, according to the Law Students Admissions Council.” [Emphasis mine]

What in the hell are you smoking, Steven?!?! Do you see veterinary schools pumping out twice as many graduates than the field can absorb?! Later on, Liar Steven Davidoff continued by comparing “law professor” salaries to those of Biglaw partners:

“A second alternative is to pay professors less, or replace them with practitioners who would also be paid less. The average senior law professor who is not at a top-ranked school makes $130,000 to $150,000 according to a survey by the Society of American Law Teachers. It’s a nice salary, but certainly not comparable to what a law firm partner earns.”

Memo to Ass-Goblin Steven Davidoff: Biglaw firm partners can demand large salaries because their firms and associates are handling complex legal matters for big dollar clients. Furthermore, if you want to work in such a firm, YOU would be expected to work FAR MORE than a mere 4-6 hours per week - without regurgitating the same academic drivel for the last ten years. Do you believe that any law firm would pay you big dollars for you to produce lame-ass law review articles?!?!

Other Coverage of Davidoff’s Idiotic Statement:

On Thursday, September 27, 2012, Paul Campos ripped into this pig in his entry entitled “Bad Deal Book.” Look at this stinging indictment:

“Ohio State law school professor Steven Davidoff has written an analysis of the economics of law school for a New York Times' Deal Book "special section" on "the future of Big Law."

Davidoff begins by noting that veterinary schools aren't being called a scam or a bubble even though veterinarians make less than lawyers and pay even more to go to school. I suspect there's a simple explanation for this: people who graduate from veterinary school get to be veterinarians.” [Emphasis mine]

Bam! A nice overhand right to the swine’s snout.

Matt Leichter castrated Pig Davidoff, with his September 25, 2012 LSTB entry “Veterinary School is Safer Than Law School.” Take a look:

“A quick comparison of the OOH entries should tell us why there aren’t any veterinarian school scamblogs. 

“Employment of veterinarians is expected to grow 36 percent from 2010 to 2020, much faster than the average for all occupations. Job opportunities should be particularly good in government and in farm animal care.” 


“Employment of lawyers is expected to grow by 10 percent from 2010 to 2020, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Competition for jobs should continue to be strong because more students are graduating from law school each year than there are jobs available.” [Emphasis mine]

The Bastard’s Background:

From his faculty bio:

“Professor Davidoff graduated from the Columbia University School of Law where he was a Harlan Fiske Stone Scholar and received a bachelor’s degree from the University of Pennsylvania, cum laude. He has a master’s degree in finance from the London Business School.” 

Based on his sterling academic credentials, one can determine that this man does not suffer from mental retardation - even if his September 24th DealBook piece indicates otherwise. Then why would he post such foolish nonsense, with regard to the economics of law school?  Also, how can a finance dweeb overlook the numbers and projected job growth in each field?!

Conclusion: Steven Davidoff is merely another academic hustler, trying to keep the wool over the applicants’ eyes. Davidoff seeks to use his background from the London Business School as solidify his excrementitious argument. He employs double-speak and false dilemmas to make his “case” that law school graduates are better off than their counterparts in veterinary school. NOTHING could be further from the truth. 

Those who earn their DVM will become animal doctors. Veterinary schools do the humane thing and limit the number of seats to match the future need of animal doctors AT THE APPLICATION STAGE. In stark contrast, law school pigs accept and graduate FAR TOO MANY students - meaning that they unnecessarily strap down legions of their graduates with tons of non-dischargeable debt. (Of course, the cockroaches cynically assert that they are opening the doors of the “profession” to historically under-represented groups.) Veterinarians can reasonably expect to practice animal medicine for SEVERAL decades. U.S. “law professors” often attempt to justify the exaggerated costs of “legal education” by claiming that grads can practice law for 40 years. However, they fail to point out that, every year, ABA-accredited law schools produce TENS OF THOUSANDS of grads who never practice law. The dogs also conveniently “forget” to mention that tons of lawyers are out of the “profession” within 5-10 years.


  1. He uses reasoning that would've gotten him a 140 on the LSAT.

    "Yea things in law aren't so great but... umm... look at the veterinarians!!"

    People are in it for themselves, first, foremost, always. Look at that Chicago teachers strike. Those "educators" don't give a fuck about their students. Let them sit home and rot. Pay raises are more important.

  2. It's another example of how the industry will try to use their power with the media to preserve the racket. There is way too much money involved and nobody is going to let go of the bone that easily. The same can be said for much of higher education.

  3. For someone that is supposedley academically accomplished, this Davidoff character comes off as a troll. Law Professors love to tell their impressionable students that they could be earning millions as a biglaw partner. A couple of my old law school professors used to attend student mixers and brag about how they chose the "noble" route and teach law rather than stay in biglaw and rake in millions. It wasn't until I became a licensed lawyer that I confirmed that the law professors were full of shit. Remember, those that can't, teach.

    First, law professors are lazy. Just google law school grading and exam scandals to get an idea of how truly work averse these scumbag professors are (e.g., copying multiple choice exam out of professors' casebook guide, repeating the same exam from last semester, etc.). Law professors do the bare minimum to become tenured, which is to publish lame articles on estoteric and arcane areas of the law that no practicing lawyer or judge gives a fuck about.

    This douche Davidoff was a Fiske scholar. Big fucking deal(35-40% of CLS grads are awarded the Fiske award). If he were special, he would have been a Kent scholar. What is disingenuous about this cretin's argument is the whole vet-lawyer comparison. People gladly pay their vet bills. I know because I am a pet owner and know other pet owners. We spend thousands of dollars a year in pet care. Lawyers on the other hand receive immense resistance from clients in getting their bills paid. Apples and oranges.

    Davidoff would not last in biglaw. He doesn't strike me as bright (in light of his foolish lawyer-vet comparison) or charismatic enough to build a book of business in biglaw. He would have washed out in 4-5 years. He was obviously smart enough to hedge his biglaw chances by going into the safe confines of "academia." Sensing that there is panic in law schools (over the scam's mainstream exposure, calls for legal education reforms, calls for more adjuncts to teach over these ideological fucks that can recite a 400 year old British case but can't teach you how to do a simple real estate closing, etc.), this Davidoff douche published this article to keep the levees sustained for another day. I cannot wait unitl these tenured professors are given their walking papers and watch them attempt to earn a living as practicing lawyers. That would be someting I would gladly pay to see.

  4. He looks so young. Like a kid. How old is he?

  5. Don Nando, saludos de tu amigo del Sur.

    Lo felicito por el trabajo que haz hecho contra esa plaga estafadora de los colegios de derecho en los Estados Unidos. Yo tengo un sobrino que fue a uno de esos potreros y salio mas deprimido y endeudado. El tuvo que fugarse de los Estados Unidos y ahora tiene una vida muy buena en Peru. A proposito, ese zangano que se llama "JD Painterguy" es un hijueputa que deberia de dejar de quejarse como una nena y fugarse de ese pais que va en peor con ese soberano malparido Obama. Digale a JD Painterguy que se largue para otro pais como Venezuela, Panama, Colombia, Costa Rica o Peru. Muchos gringos viven como reyes en esos paises y se escapa de la maldicion que se ha convertido su pais.

    Adios amigo.

  6. the united states is a giant piece of fucking shitSeptember 30, 2012 at 3:15 PM

    Fuck the united fucking states of fucking america. The name of the game is to fuck your neighbor before he can fuck you. So there's no reason anyone should be surprised at the fucking higher ed scam. This Davidoff fuck is just another leech trying to suck on the lifeblood of the host. In this case, the host is the taxpayer and poor fucking students. Well, what happens when the leeches take all the blood.

    Let me just say this once more. Fuck the united fucking states. All fifty of them. Fuck 'em. And if you still believe in this fucking country, fuck you too. Fucking fools.

  7. Myself, I'm looking forward to secession by a nice, progressive blue state with hot chicks and big boobs.

  8. Will those hot chicks in the seceding blue state shave their vaginas?

  9. @Sept. 30th 2:59PM

    HA! It took me about 20 seconds to look this up and translate it, and I got 3 different versions.


    Don Nando, greetings from your friend in the South.

    I congratulate the work that made get that pest scam of the schools of law in the United States. I have a nephew who was one of those paddocks and left more depressed and debt. He had to escape from the United States and now has a very good life in Peru. To purpose, that drone called 'JD Painterguy' is a bitch that should stop complaining like a baby and escape from that country is worse with that malparido sovereign Obama. Tell JD Painterguy that snap to another country as Venezuela, Panama, Colombia, Costa Rica, or Peru. Many Americans live like Kings in those countries and leaking of the curse which his country has become.

    Friend goodbye.

    Don Nando, greetings from your friend from South.

    I congratulate you for the work that you have made against such a plague being held in the schools of law in the United States. I have a nephew that was one of those pastures and came out more depressed and indebted. He had to escape from the United States and now has a very good life in Peru. Incidentally, this army drone that is called 'JD Painterguy' is a bitch that should stop complaining as a nena and escaping from that country which is going to worse with this sovereign malparido Obama. Tell JD Painterguy forcing him to another country like Venezuela, Panama, Colombia, Costa Rica or Peru. Many gringos live like kings in those countries and escapes from the curse that has become his country.

    Goodbye friend.

    Don Nando, greetings of your friend of the South.

    I it congratulate on the work that bundle(beam) done against this plague swindler of the schools of right in the United States. I have a nephew who went to one of these pastures and went out more depressed and indebted. It had to abscond from the United States and now it has a very good life in Peru. By the way, this drone that is called 'JD Painterguy' is a hijueputa who should allow complaining like a baby and abscond from this country that goes in worse with this sovereign miscarried Obama. Say to JD Painterguy that should leave for another country like Venezuela, Panama, Colombia, Costa Rica or Peru. Many yankees live like kings in these countries and it escapes of the curse that has turned its country.

    Friendly farewell.


    So youse can call me whatever names you want to.

    BTW, I have worked with many Latino men from the Mexican Panhandle,and they were not educated snobs like you, and they all prefer to live in the US! One guy told me about how he was locked in a secret compartment of a truck for four days and nights along with three other men.

    He said that he had no shoes until he was 15 years old, and that people literally starve in El Salvador.

    When he got to the US, he lived in a house with 18 other men, and they started lining up to take a 15 minute shower at 3AM.

  10. Meh. Just another carnival barker who will say anything to keep the gravy train going. The word is getting out and I am looking forward to watching this house of cards collapse.

  11. . . . Davidoff looks just like a hawg. . .I bet he can squeal like a pig. . .and he has a mighty purty mouth!!


  13. From Davidoff's scamming article:

    "In addition, law school provides a general education that is useful in other areas. Both presidential candidates have law degrees, as do the chief executives of a substantial number of companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index."

    Now...there are 25,000 excess law grads every year. There are two major party presidential nominees every four years. There are, of course, 500 companies in the Standard & Poor 500. Even placing tongue-in-cheek and accepting that a JD is a desired quality in presidential politics and in corporate leadership, how does that make even a miniscule dent in the problem of lawyer oversupply?

    Davidoff's scamming would embarrass Madoff. Madoff should issue a statement distancing himself from Davidoff on the grounds that such stupidity gives scammers a bad name.

  14. Guys like this douche bag are the typical Ivy League twats that you see in court on occasion but once they show they cannot think on their feet, they join academia before their life of lies and lack of legal ability is exposed. Being a lawyer is less then 5% academic scholarship ability so who gives a rats ass about his resume.

    Barack Obama is a prime example of this Davidoff type of goatfucker. Goes to all these fancy schools(likely getting in with lies on his application ie hes 1/64 American Indian whose great grandfather fought Custer or from connections in his family), pads his resume with meaningless stuff and often outright lies to get young people behind them to maintain a non stressful created job because they know deep down they cant handle the real world of practice. These people teach because they cant do anything and they are smart enough to threaten problems if they are not paid like a prince. They are extortionists.

    These liberal professor types are the worst with their self promoting scholarship and arrogant talks about how they would have been this great high paid lawyer if they did not feel the need to "give back" or "serve" when the truth is they dont want anyone to see they cant cut it in law. Any dope can get the degree from any school ie JD Painter(who proves that yes there are dumb people with law degrees and that every time he posts on this site, he shows why he is the poster boy for the law school scam)but depending on your background, if you cant practice or wont try to practice, you end up in academia or painting houses. This Davidoff guy atleast knows where his bread is buttered and he needs gullible students to believe his words so he can stay in a job where he works as little as possible, receives praise from people whose only use is to blow him under the table between classes, and most importantly maintains an income that is so beyond what he could earn in the private sector where work is required. Yet the producers in this country continually perpetuate the fucking these folks give us.

    I went to a 4th tier crapper 20 years ago and have been in the private sector practicing law since then. I dont advise anyone going to law school unless its a top school and you truly want to work your ass off afterwards. What sucks for kids now days is you have these Davidoff assholes making excuses for a profession he literally knows nothing about and is unwilling to participate in. That is like playing pro football while being coached by a bunch of guys who got drafted but either never tried to make it or flat out quit soon after they got drafted to go into coaching because they like to "teach". They are telling you how to run plays and then questioning your toughness in addition to not knowing a thing about your profession. What other profession besides law does this to the next generation of participants. I cant wait until non lawyers are being hired to teach lawyers or lawyers from China are being brought in to explain how our system works.

    None of this matters though as long as dumb ass kids keep applying to school. Its not the same even as recently as 20 years ago where we could graduate and still have a chance at a job or running our own practice to pay back loans and make a comfortable living. Yes it was tough and its no more a deplorable profession now, but in todays world you kids are being fucked openly like Obama is with his birth certificate and citizenship yet you ignore the truth and praise and support those who fuck you.

    Only when you stop applying will this scam stop so suck it up, learn how to do HVAC, plumbing, or some other hands on profession and end up happier with a chance to enjoy the american dream. At this point if you dont listen you have only yourself to blame.

  15. Obama is left handed. Obama has a law degree. He is the current president. Bill Clinton was left handed. He has a law degree too. He was president from 1993-2001. Therefore left handed people with law degrees get to become U.S. president.


    Let's take a look at the swine's CV:


    Gods at War: Shotgun Takeovers, Government by Deal, and the Private Equity Implosion (John Wiley & Sons, Inc. 2009)

    Published Articles

    Delaware's Competetive Reach, 9(1) Journal Emp. Leg. Stud. 92 (2012) (with Matt Cain)

    Computerization and the ABACUS: Reputation, Trust and Fiduciary Duties in Investment Banking, 37(3) J. Corp. Law 101 (2012) (with Alan D. Morrison and William J. Wilhelm)

    Form Over Substance? Management Buy-Outs and the Value of Corporate Process, Del. J. Corp. L. (forthcoming 2011) (with Matt Cain) (Symposium organized around article) (selected for reprint in Corp. Practice Comm.)

    Regulation by Deal: The Government's Response to the Financial Crisis, 61 Admin. L. Rev. 463 (2009) (with David Zaring)

    The Failure of Private Equity, 82 S. Cal. L. Rev. 481 (2009)

    Regulating Listings in a Global Market, 86 N.C. L. Rev. 101 (2007) (selected for reprint in 50 Corp. Practice Comm. 959 (2009))

    Black Market Capital, 2008 Colum. Bus. L. Rev. 172

    The SEC and the Failure of Federal Takeover Regulation, 34 Fla. St. U. L. Rev. 211 (2007)"

    In the final analysis, this rat merely has an academic understanding of financial matters. Has this ass-clown ever run a business?! Apparently, this weasel does not have any interest in tackling the problem of a federally-backed student loan system places the entire onus on the borrower - while allowing the experienced criminal banksters and universities to avoid ALL of the risk. Then again, the most this pig would do is publish a sorry-ass law review article about this "interesting issue."

  17. You're still bitching about law school? Are you kidding me?

  18. October 1, 2012 11:42 AM said "I cant wait until non lawyers are being hired to teach lawyers or lawyers from China are being brought in to explain how our system works."

    You're not going to have to wait long to see non-lawyers getting hired to teach law. According to this link -> There are three people with PhD's teaching law at Northwestern. They have degrees in Political Science, Economics, and Psychology but not in Law. And They teach Constitutional Law, Bankruptcy, and Evidence.

    As for Chinese lawyers coming over here to teach law, that one might be long in coming, It seems far more common for recent American graduates to go to China to try and teach law, or teach English, or deliver Pizza according to this link -> which was my first Google result on the subject.

  19. The typical vet makes better money than the typical attorney. People love their pets. I've seen people complain when they have to pay an attorney for his services. This asshole doesn't know what he's talking about.


    Here is another false dilemma uttered by Steven Davidoff in his article “The Economics of Law School”:

    "So what if universities hire less qualified, lower-paid practitioners instead, you may ask? Well, quality matters.

    U.S. News & World Report lists 15 law schools where tuition is currently less than $15,000 a year. CUNY School of Law, in New York City, has an in-state tuition of $12,090 and is ranked in the third tier by U.S. News. But there is not a flight of applications to these lower-cost schools from higher-paying ones. Instead, students still flock to top-tier schools with the highest-quality professors. In 2011, CUNY’s applications were down from the year before.

    Creating less expensive law schools with less-qualified staff may give graduates a degree, but that may not better qualify them for jobs. This points to another inherent problem with critiques of law schools — all are lumped together. This points to another inherent problem with critiques of law schools — all are lumped together."

    College grads seek out higher ranked law schools, not due to the supposed "quality" of the faculty, but because they realize that attending a name brand school will typically increase their job prospects! Do you understand that, douche-bag - or do I need to draw you a diagram with Crayola on posterboard?!?!

    By the way, leech: learning a bunch of pedantic nonsense from failed lawyers does not adequately prepare students to practice law. If that was the objective of ABA commodes, then you would see the schools employing legions of legal practitioners who could provide the nuts and bolts of legal work, i.e. they would provide a practical education. Instead, the toilets hire those who excelled academically – and these pigs often have no clue as to how to operate a real legal practice. Apparently, Davidoff is unaware that TTTs and TTTTs also predominately employ those with sterling academic credentials as "professors."

    Anyone with an IQ above room temperature – and basic understanding of the law school scam – recognizes that the “law professors” and administrators are simply trying to keep the gravy train rolling along. They want you to believe the filth that comes out of their ass. Do you see this swine providing any charts or graphs supporting his assertions?!?! Does Davidoff cite to U.S. Department of Labor stats?! Hell, he doesn’t even mention the fact that law schools ANNUALLY produce far too many grads for the available number of attorney positions!

    In contrast, I refer you to the NALP Class of 2011 National Summary Report. As you can see, ABA-accredited dung heaps collectively pumped out 44,495 graduates. However, you will notice that only 27,224 JDs from this cohort reported that they landed positions where bar passage was required. Keep in mind that not all of those employed grads were working as traditional lawyers. Don’t expect Pathetic Liar Steven Davidoff to address the fact that ABA law schools produced an excess of AT LEAST 17,271 graduates. However, those tuition checks, i.e. NON-DISCHARGEABLE student loans, cleared. And THAT is the only thing that matters to these academic cockroaches!!

  21. NY attorney, formerly of Crowell & Moring, siphoned $10 million dollars from client trust accounts. I guess you won't be surprised when I tell you that he graduated from SeTTTon Hall.

    After this debacle, white shoe law firms will never risk hiring from a TTT. Shit stains look darker and grosser on white backgrounds.

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  23. Come on. What do you expect from a law professor? He's not gonna tell you that law school is a shitty idea.

  24. Just another academic thief trying to keep the scam going. Avoid law school at all costs, kiddies.

  25. nando,

    Any thoughts on Indiana Tech Law School? It is set to open in the fall of 2013, with a target class of 100 students.


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