Monday, November 26, 2012

Miserable, Fourth Tier Waste Heap: Mississippi College School of Law


http://law.mc.edu/prospective-students/prospective-students/tuition/

Tuition: Full-time law students at this private toilet were charged $27,780 in tuition - for the 2011-2012 school year. The trash pit does not provide updated costs for the current academic year. However, the pigs claim that tuition rates will remain the same for the three years that one is enrolled.

When you add in fees, the total increases to $30,350. For $ome rea$on, the school estimates that books will be $600 cheaper for spring semester than in autumn. Furthermore, these pigs charge $280 in parking, plus $100 for a snack bar fee. Apparently, parking in Jackson, Mississippi must be at a premium.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+7

Ranking: At such prices, this school must have a stellar reputation, right?!?! According to US “News” & World Report, Mississippi College Sewer of Law is ranked in the putrid fourth tier of American law schools. Of course, Bob Morse now refers to this group as “Rank Not Published.” Their mothers must be very proud. 

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/school-of-law-03087

Employment “Placement” at Graduation: Since these bitches and hags did not have the balls - or integrity - to publish its employment placement data, we need to head to another source for this data. According to the school overview from USN&WR, “Of the 2010 graduates, 43.5 percent were employed at graduation.” What an impressive rate, huh?!?! As if you needed it pointed out to you, this source states that this figure is in the “low“ category.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+4

Average Law Student Indebtedness: US “News” lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Mississippi College JD Class of 2011 who incurred debt for law school - as $110,169. In fact, 76 percent of this garbage can’s 2011 class took on such filthy debt. Remember that these figures do not include interest that accrues on the outstanding balance, while the student is enrolled.

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2011/640/303/2011-640303086-07e1d263-9.pdf

Administrator and Faculty Salary Info: Let’s see how well the pigs are making out - at the expense of the students, graduates and taxpayers. Scroll down to Part VII - Compensation, of the 2011 Form 990 for Employer ID No. 64-0303086, so that you can access this information.

The following figures represent TOTAL COMPENSATION for the tax year ending June 30, 2011: James Rosenblatt “earned” $212,021, as dean of this toilet; Matthew Steffey raked in $196,578, for teaching civil rights and criminal law; Patricia Bennett, “professor of law” and director of Litigation and Dispute Resolution Center, made $180,480; and Angela Mae Kupenda received $164,403. Who says that “higher education” doesn’t pay off handsomely, for some?!?!

http://law.mc.edu/academics/law-centers/public-service/

Public Service Emphasis: The description below comes from the school:

“Public Service Law Center

The Public Service Center Law Center exposes students to a wide range of public service opportunities that not only enhance their legal education experience, but also promote a commitment to helping underserved people and communities. 

MC Law understands that “success” is measured in more than dollars and cents. One of the center’s goals is to inspire more students to explore careers or volunteer opportunities in public interest law. Whether it’s representing the elderly in filing Social Security claims or finding legal remedies to environmental disasters in the making, public interest law is about attorneys making a positive difference.” 

When legal and non-law employers see a bunch of public service projects on your resume, they immediately think “Loser.” From their perspective, if you cannot find paid employment, then why should they extend you an offer? Low-ranked commodes often bill themselves as “public service oriented.” Why would anyone with a brain stem want to incur an additional $115K-130K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a chance to help poor people file SSI claims?!?!

Conclusion: Mississippi College Sewer of Law is an overpriced, pathetic dung heap. If you are even considering this garbage pit, ask yourself the following question: if you were an employer, would you hire someone with a TTTT law degree from this in$TTTTiTTTTuTTTTion? In the final analysis, you should not attend this commode - even if the school provides you with a full tuition scholarship. If you are upset with your dead-end job, remember that you will NOT almost certainly be worse off by incurring an additional $120K+ in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt - while pissing away three years of your life.

39 comments:

  1. That pic brings new meaning to Mississippi mud.

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  3. Dear Dona:
    http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/university-of-mississippi-2440
    That's all.

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  4. Nando: Your blog might actually be taken seriously if you didn't put pictures of shit on it.

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    1. Those photos link this blog to the phrase "third tier toilet", the sort of schools mostly featured here.

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  5. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304458604577486623469958142.html#articleTabs%3Dinteractive

    Looks like if you sort by "Percentage of students with jobs requiring a law degree" it comes up 75 percent, or put another way FOURTEENTH out of the WHOLE LIST. This is for 2011 graduates, I don't know what other years might be. Why all the hate on MCSOL?

    Robin
    MCSOL 2008

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  6. Mississippi needs a private law school? And that seems like an incredible amount of debt for the poorest state in the union. (Yes, ignorant redneck assholes, you are still part of the union.)

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  7. Mississippi has low standards for ethics. Take for instance this luminary alum from MCSOL:

    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ms-supreme-court/1439686.html

    He was disbarred for looking at child pornography images while "drunk," disbarred for a couple of years and then reinstated to practice.

    Or how about Dick Scruggs who is Trent Lott's brother in law and who also plead guilty twice to bribery:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Scruggs

    With such a rich history of notable alums, I am surprised every Tom, Dick, Harry and their mothers aren't applying to this school.

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    1. Wrong.

      From the opinion in your link: "Holleman graduated from the University of Mississippi Law School..."

      University of Mississippi School of Law (Ole Miss) is not the same thing as Mississippi College School of Law. They're over a hunred miles apart.

      Your examples are Ole Miss alums, not MCSOL... and even then, it's unfair to tarnish an entire profession (or a State) due to the actions of a few.

      Robin
      MCSOL 2008

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  9. Does Robin MCSOL 2008 work at this raunchy shithole or something?

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  10. Nope. :) I'm a Fed. So are several of my classmates. Several others are in private practice, or working in firms from the smallest to the largest in the State. Best decision of my life was to go to school there. Yes, I've got a hell-smear of debt, but I'm employed in a job where I can pay those loans back. I don't know of any of my classmates who are unemployed, or even under-employed. I don't know about other classes... but but Wall Street Journal article I linked to puts MCSOL in the top 14 law schools in the country when you sort by percentage of students with jobs requiring a law degree."

    But hey, if you're dead set on trashtalking, feel free, man. I'm sure if you spend enough time you might can find something negative that's factual about my school. Or you could always cling to that last resort of someone losing an internet argument and critique my spelling and grammar. I did typo "hundred" after all. :)

    Robin
    MCSOL 2008

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  11. Of course some people do make it and do well or OK.

    But there are casualties of the profession, and the intent is to warn.

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  12. Take a look at some of the commode’s selling points:

    http://law.mc.edu/academics

    “LOUISIANA CIVIL LAW CERTIFICATE

    MC Law offers a Louisiana Civil Law Certificate program for students who wish to practice in neighboring Louisiana. Taught by experienced Louisiana attorneys, the program includes five courses that provide the foundation for a Louisiana law practice. Students who complete this course work receive a certificate in Civil Law.”

    Yes, that sounds very prestigious and lucrative.

    http://law.mc.edu/location/

    "Venue for Success

    MC Law is located in downtown Jackson, Mississippi’s capital city and the heart of the state’s legal community. The State Capitol, Mississippi Supreme Court, federal courts, and many of Mississippi’s most respected law firms are within walking distance of the MC Law campus.

    MC Law offers unlimited opportunities for part time work, clerkships, and hands-on externships with law firms, public interest organizations, government agencies, and leading companies. Unlike students at more isolated law schools, MC Law students gain in-depth, practical experience in the legal field long before they graduate.

    The law school’s strategic location also puts students in the right place to interact with lawyers, judges, and other legal experts, many of whom visit the campus as speakers or teach classes as adjunct professors. The Mississippi legal community has embraced MC Law; the support of these legal professionals helps MC Law students become superior lawyers."

    Low-ranked trash pits often resort to the “location” argument, i.e. “We are situated in the state capital, in the heart of the legal community.” This is meant to mask the fact that such schools are regional at best. By the way, at many law schools, prosecutors and judges typically lecture or “serve” as “adjunct professors.” In reality, most employers don’t care if you took a course that was taught by a politician in a black robe.

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  13. Hello Robin:

    Apparently, you ended up at the truly prestigious Department of Veterans Affairs. It is nice to see taxpayer money being put to such good use, i.e. perusing the internet to defend one's ABA-accredited stink pit.

    http://ip-whois-lookup.com/lookup.php?ip=152.133.14.3

    IP Information - 152.133.14.3
    Host name: 152-133-14-3.tic.va.gov
    Country: United States
    Country Code: US
    Region:
    City:
    Latitude: 38
    Longitude: -97

    NetRange: 152.124.0.0 - 152.133.255.255
    CIDR: 152.128.0.0/14, 152.124.0.0/14, 152.132.0.0/15
    OriginAS:
    NetName: VA-INTERNET
    NetHandle: NET-152-124-0-0-1
    Parent: NET-152-0-0-0-0
    NetType: Direct Assignment
    RegDate: 1991-08-15
    Updated: 2011-09-22
    Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-152-124-0-0-1

    OrgName: Department of Veterans Affairs
    OrgId: DVA
    Address: 810 Vermont Ave., NW
    City: Washington
    StateProv: DC
    PostalCode: 20420
    Country: US
    RegDate: 1991-01-23
    Updated: 2011-09-22
    Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/DVA

    From analytics:

    Visits: 5

    Unique ID: 2260785537
    IP address: 152.133.14.3
    Locale: Huntington, WV, USA/English
    Platform: Internet Explorer 9.0/Windows 7/1280x1024

    Visits by this user in the last 7 days

    Nov 27 2012 12:51pm 152.133.14.3 1 action 10s
    Nov 27 2012 12:32pm 152.133.14.3 1 action 10s
    Nov 27 2012 10:42am 152.133.14.3 3 actions 1m 11s
    Nov 27 2012 10:28am 152.133.14.3 2 actions 2m 27s
    Nov 26 2012 12:53pm 152.133.14.3 2 actions 10m 5s

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    1. Oh look, somebody knows how to read a log file. :)

      As for prestigious, I don't really care about that. Instead of representing malingering plaintiffs, drug dealers, or insurance companies that don't want to pay, I take care of our Veterans. I'm very happy with what I do. I do regret spending my work time correcting misconceptions about my school, but I think it's important.

      With regard to other commentors below, I have no idea how well I would have done had I graduated in a subsequent year. But the WSJ story I linked to upthread may have a clue. MCSOL was ranked 14th when you sort by "% employed in jobs needing a law degree." That's not anecdotal, that's the Wall Street Journal saying that.

      I started around 45k, but now I'm up to around 70k. Income Based Repayment Plan really helped out there in the beginning. Someday, I hope to take advantage of the Public Interest Loan Forgiveness program. I suggest that anyone look into those two programs.

      Nope, no connecitons, (I'm from a working class family), and certainly didn't sleep with anyone. I just got lucky. There's a lot of luck involved when it comes to life. Try to make as much good luck for yourself as you can. Our Torts professor said something along the lines of "A law license is enough to get you into the Club Level of life, but you still have to work the room."

      Check out USAJOBS.GOV. The govt needs a ton of attorneys and JDs, and are a huge employer... there's a certain element of luck to it. Veterans preferance helps.

      Spent enough time on this. Peace out. :)

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    2. LOL, ATTN: JD Quitterguy!

      DO NOT read the 4th paragraph of that last comment. It might make your head explode.

      Gosh, how would your parents manage without all that worthless "help?"

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  14. The thing that really stands out to me about Robin's post is that she/he graduated in 2008. I wonder if she/he (and her class) would have done as well had she graduated in 2010, 2011, or 2012?

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  15. Well, Robin could be making $45K at the VA. She said she has a 'hell-smear of debt' in an earlier post.

    She might also come from a connected family. Or maybe she slept with someone to get the job. It wouldn't be the first time something like than happened. Regardless, it's time for this shill to provide some actual data and not just rely on anecdotes.

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  16. You would be better off graduating with many undergraduate degrees like nursing or engineering in terms of job pay and opportunity, rather than a law degree. The current legal education system is corrupt, mostly benefiting faculty. The ABA unlike the AMA or ADA is a beholden whore to the interests of the law schools. Anyone that goes to law school today is an idiot with all the information that is out there, unless you go to a top five law school or have some serious family connections.

    Many law grads are so delusional, that even after they have totally fucked up their life they still don't get it:

    http://www.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2010/apr/08/trouble-with-the-law-laid-off-attorneys-pursue-new-paths/

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  17. @Nov. 28th, 3:04PM

    Quit it with the talk about my family.

    There is a lot going on at home here and you haven't got a clue and all you sound like is a very cruel person after I have asked you repeatedly to stop talking about my elderly parents.

    I would never stoop so low to talk about yours.

    Once more, please stop. They have illnesses and I just don't need to hear your BS.

    It is bad enough you won't say who you are.

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    1. How is it I'm so sure that when they need real, full-time care, you'll be nowhere to be found?

      What a prince you are. Prince of the moochers, that is.

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  18. Robin, you can't even spell connections. I guess you must give really good head.

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  19. Lawrence E. Mitchell, dean of Case Western Reserve University’s law school, defends law schools in a NYTimes Op-Ed. This guy is worse than Brian Leitner.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/opinion/law-school-is-worth-the-money.html

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  20. A badass commenter provided the following links to me the other day. Let's take a look at the idiotic apologist's LinkedIn profile:

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/robin-hood/7/711/3b

    "Robin Hood
    Rating Specialist for the US Department of Veterans Affairs
    Jackson, Mississippi Area
    Government Administration

    Robin Hood's Overview

    Education Mississippi College School of Law
    Connections 5 connections

    Robin Hood's Education

    Mississippi College School of Law
    2005 – 2008"

    Check out the following data - including compensation chart - from U.S. Salary Wizard:

    http://www1.salary.com/Rating-Specialist-Salary.html

    "The median expected salary for a typical Rating Specialist in the United States is $40,563. This basic market pricing report was prepared using our Certified Compensation Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from thousands of HR departments at employers of all sizes, industries and geographies."

    You will notice that an income of $46,845 would place a rating specialist in the 75th percentile of compensation. One earning $52,565 in salary would be in the 90th percentile. Compare this information to the troll's claim at 12:32 pm yesterday: "I started around 45k, but now I'm up to around 70k."

    At least, the jackass was not lying when mentioning that luck plays a big role in landing decent employment with a law degree. By the way, if you are relying on the USA Jobs database for employment leads, then you are in for a hell of a wait. There is a GLUT of attorneys, in this nation.

    Robin, quit acting as if IBR and Public Service Loan Forgiveness is a serious consideration for most JDs. The government - at the local, state and federal level - is not taking on more employees, at this time. Perhaps, you have heard of austerity?! As a result of the restructured U.S. economy, and outright corporate ownership of the nation, social agencies are also experiencing smaller budgets. Pull your thick head out of your ass, and do not offer any career advice to anyone, douche-bag.

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  21. My loans were with Sallie Mae until the beginning of 2010, when I got into ICR thru default and thru a private collection agency called GC services, who placed me in the William D Ford ICR program.

    So in theory, I would have been able to get into Public Service Loan Forgiveness starting in 2010, and not in 2007 as this anon troll says, and after the collection agency had made 40K as a collection fee., or rather 18.5% of my loan balance of 210K.

    In other words, I became eligible for the Public Service Loan forgiveness program in 2010, and after my loan had ballooned to close to 300K.


    Painter




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    1. Hm, I don't remember saying anything about the year 2007. Is that your excuse? Is it still 2007?

      Sounds like you're eligible after all. Pretty much your worst nightmare come true. Who knew, right? You're welcome, BTW. Don't tell your 'rents, though: they might force you to get a job.

      Chances that you'll actually put that "theory" into practice: zeeero!

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  22. Funny how obsessed you are with me.

    You never comment on ILSS as far as I know, only here.

    But anyway you did mention something about me being 5 years already towards the 10 year loan forgiveness period.

    As far as your parents go, I guess I am forced to make a remark: They must be animals and probably still live in the barn that they raised you in, judging by the manners they taught you.

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    1. It's funny how obsessed YOU are with not doing any work.

      You are ZERO years toward public service loan forgiveness, because you REFUSE TO FUCKING WORK.

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  23. Robin Hood? Is that really his name? BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Fucking idiot can't figure out how to get a legal name change.

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  24. Can someone get a permission to euthanize Painter. The fucking idiot is posting his irrelevant drivel everywhere. What a fucking retard.

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    1. If anyone ever offed that dingleberry, it'd be one of his parents. Follow the money.

      They'd attract a lot of suspicion as they yelled "Free at last, free at last!!"

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    2. Thread after thread is derailed by this. Comments need to be moderated. Nando had it set up once that comments needed to be approved before they were posted. He may want to reinstate that.

      This nonsense back-and-forth on Painter has nothing to do with the topics here. It only serves as a distraction.

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    3. Hey pussy,

      If those hurty comments really upset oo that much, then don't read them.

      And stop mooching off your parents.

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  25. I am a different "Anonymous," than the above. This is my first comment.

    I request that you remove personal names from this post. If you change them to "the dean" or "an assistant professor," your point will still be made.

    I understand you must not know these people directly. To you it may seem like you're exercising your freedom of speech in a perfectly innocent way. However, there are consequences to posting a person's name on the internet, especially in this context.

    Thank you.

    -DM

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  27. "there are consequences" are some of the most empty words in the English Language.

    Hey DM I called you a Waaaaabulance, you can thank me later.

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  28. I graduated from M.C. Law and my highest year I made $19,000! Yeah that's right. 19 thousand bucks. No lawyer kin, no connections. Graduated Cum Laude and Law Review. And guess what? I'd do it all again!

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