Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Second Tier Horse Droppings: University of Oklahoma College of Law


Tuition and Fees: Oklahoma residents attending this public stall on a full-time basis will be charged $19,763 in tuition and fees, for the 2012-2013 school year. Out-of-state, full-time law students will be slapped with a bill of $30,188. What an affordable, public “legal education,” huh?!?! 


Ranking: At these prices, this institution MUST have one hell of a reputation, right?! Actually, US “News” & World Report ranks the UniversiTTy of Oklahoma Commode of Law as the 82nd greatest, most prestigious and amazing law school in the land. In fact, the toilet shares this rating with the following six law schools: Catholic University of America; Michigan State; Rutgers-Newark; Seattle University; SUNY Buffalo; and the University of Oregon. Their mothers should be very proud.


Supposed Employment Placement and Salary Statistics: The pile of manure claims that 85.9 percent of its Class of 2011 landed full time employment, within nine months of graduation, i.e. 140 members out of 163 total graduates. Under the heading Employment Type, 85 grads reported working in law firms. Fully 50 grads ended up in solo practice or in firms of 2-10 attorneys. In contrast, only two JDs landed in firms of 251-500 people, and a single graduate worked for a firm with more than 500 employees.

The overall mean salary for the 140 graduates reporting full-time employment stood at $56,454. The same figure for those working in government was $47,008; those in business earned an average of $55,801. For $ome rea$on, the school does not take unemployed and part-time employees into consideration. I wonder if that would lower the numbers. What a great return on investment - for giving up three years of your life and full-time income, while taking on more student debt! 


Average Law Student Indebtedness: USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the UniversiTTy of Oklahoma JD Class of 2011 who incurred debt for law school - as $74,809. Fully 70 percent of this outhouse’s 2011 class took on such toxic debt. Remember that these figures do not include interest that accrues on the outstanding balance, while the student is enrolled. 


Pathetic Law Journals: As a student at this eliTTe insTTiTTuTTion, you will have the opportunity to write onto the American Indian Law Review.  Check out the summary:


The American Indian Law Review serves as a nationwide scholarly forum for analysis of developments in legal issues pertaining to Native Americans and indigenous peoples worldwide. Adhering to the traditional law review format, the Review offers in-depth articles by legal scholars, attorneys and other expert observers. In addition, the Review offers comments and notes written by student members and editors on a wide variety of Indian law-related topics. 

Each year the American Indian Law Review sponsors the American Indian Law Writing Competition, which is open to currently enrolled law students throughout the United States and Canada. The top three entries are awarded cash prizes and the first place entry is published in the Review.”

Law firms and non-legal employers will not be impressed with this “credential” on your resume. But you will also have a chance to become a student editor of the world-renowned Oklahoma Journal of Law and Technology! Take a look at that publication's description:


The Oklahoma Journal of Law and Technology (OKJOLT) is Oklahoma’s first electronic legal publication dedicated to the study of critical issues at the intersection of law and technology. With OKJOLT, the College of Law joins such top ranking schools as Harvard, Stanford and Duke in setting standards for multidisciplinary scholarship. OKJOLT’s electronic-only format provides for rapid turnaround from article submission to publication. Thus, OKJOLT operates under a rolling schedule and updates its website with new and useful research materials as quickly as they are readied for publication.”

Do you honestly think that potential employers are going to give one damn about this line item on your resume or cover letter?!?! Then again, they will notice the name of the school on your diploma. If the HR manager doesn’t toss your application in the garbage at that point, consider that a small victory.

Conclusion: The University of Oklahoma Commode of Law is a garbage heap. You will not be served well by accumulating an additional $80K-$110K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt. In the final analysis, these costs are too high for a mere chance to practice law in Texas or Oklahoma. Your career prospects will be further hampered by the overall contracting legal job market.


  1. The whole "Indian Law" thing is for the tiny number of people who will wind up working for the Bureau of Indian Affairs or working on behalf of the tribes.

    [Meanwhile the Anonymous commenters will still be working their jobs blowing truckers in pay toilets.]

    1. Haha, your lips, on the other hand, are the exclusive property of JD Painterguy's nether regions.

      LOL, are they now controlling what those lips say, too?

    2. ....And the asshole is back!

      So which one are you: the tough guy who has been a lawyer since 1995, WTLS, or just another troll from the law schools or the outer darkness? We need to name our nameless scumfuck.

    3. Haha, none of the above. Just some twisted mental case who likes to see people actually honor their debts and work for a living.

    4. You give JD Painterguy a decent job and he would pay off the motherfucking loans. But nobody will because of his shit credit rating (Catch 22.) So I say let him flee to Canada or Britain.

  2. I am a 2L here. How dare you. Fuck you.

  3. "Then again, they will notice the name of the school on your diploma. If the HR manager doesn’t toss your application in the garbage at that point, consider that a small victory."

    Yeah right. The HR manager won't even see the application. Someone below her will see it though...and toss it in the trash.

  4. http://www.alwd.org/LC%26R/CurrentIssues/2010/pdfs/johansen.pdf

    What in da fuck? Who be dis asshole writin' 'bout whether I was a mo'fuckin' terrist during da good ol' Great War. Get da fuck outta here. Looks like he be a law professor. Is this gotdamn mothafuckin' sonamahbasterin'bitch in enny way related to the student debt lady?

    'N fo' the fuckin' record, I wasn't against no goddayem Catholics neither. It's just the Protestant nurse let me eat her pussy twice a day. Dat's how I got mah health back. Ya could say dat's how she nursed meh back to health. I'm 120 some odd fuckin' years old. And I's still get'sta be sicker than a dog if I go mo' than 3 days without eatin' a pussy. I mean I was sucking on her pussy like it was da last one I was ever gonna be seein'. So I went to fuckin' town on dat poon. What wrong wit' dat?

  5. Where is Cryn Johannsen these days?

  6. The rumor has it that Colonel has eaten her out.

  7. The 64 thousand dollar question is Will the Colonel eat her out if she doesn't trim down there?

  8. She is very trimmed upstairs and downstairs. Nevertheless, Colonel eats out everything - the bushier, the better.

  9. You have to wonder about anything that's still called "American Indian."

  10. Cryn is busy chasing this week's hot issue, just liek every week. "Online college scam!" "GI Bill scam!" "Shitty political candidate that promises me the world if I get him elected!" "Debt jubilee!"

    What DO you believe in, Cryn? Or is it just the latest headlines?

    That girl has been behind the curve since she started her nonprofit (which is I think merely a vehicle for her to claim she "works" for to get loan forgiveness).

    She chases publicity, latches onto low-end figures (like some loser political candidate who is as much after some, any, publicity as she is, or that fucking agent she claimed she had, which was really a bored housewife with an "AOL" email address still). She chased Occupy when that was hot. She chased the GI Bill and online university scams when they were hot. She jumps ship more time than a feisty pirate in a wild sea battle!

    Her results speak for themselves. Or would, if she had any! This blog you're reading now is a mess, but it get results and BIG results. Cryn's blog, I cannot think on ONE success on that turd.

    And her latest post is a "cutesy" begging letter. Hey Cryn, we'll donate when we see results. You have proven for two years that you are incapable of getting anything done, or sticking with an issue. So stop begging for money for vacations errr I mean business trips to Washington on our dime.

    You are the most feeble advocate we have! One shit picture from Nando does more to raise our profile than your entire body of work.

    So please do us all a favor and stop spamming this blog (like you did above - we know it's you), and flush that turd of a blog down. It stinks!

    And if she mentions that fucking debt "jubilee" again... What a stupid word! Who cares what it originally meant? These days, it means "party", and we don't want anyone getting the idea that we take our debt lightly. Idiot.

  11. Guess what, lemmings? The state of Oklahoma has an attorney glut.


    On June 27, 2011, the New York Times Economix blog published a piece entitled "The Lawyer Surplus, State by State." Catherine Rampell was the author of that article. Check out this opening:

    "We’ve written before about the tough job market for recent law-school graduates. The climate is hard partly because of the weak economy, but also partly because the nation’s law schools are churning out many more lawyers than the economy needs even in the long run.

    Now a few researchers have tried to quantify exactly how big that surplus is.

    The numbers were crunched by Economic Modeling Specialists Inc. (also known as EMSI), a consulting company that focuses on employment data and economic analysis. The company’s calculations were based on the number of people who passed the bar exam in each state in 2009, versus an estimate of annual job openings for lawyers in those states. They also looked at data from the Department of Education on law school graduates each year to get another measure of the quantity of new lawyers. Estimates for the number of openings is based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Census Bureau.

    According to this model, every state but Wisconsin and Nebraska (plus Washington, D.C.) is producing many more lawyers than it needs. (See table after the jump for full data, and additional caveats.)"

    Again, this is based on independent economic analysis from EMSI, not data from $elf-intere$ted law school pigs. Let's take a look at the following figures for Oklahoma:

    Estimated Annual Openings from 2010-2015: 328
    2009 Bar Exam Passers: 389
    Surplus: 61

    I know that "law professors" love to insinuate that all lawyers are worthless at math. However, even a simple person can figure out that there is a problem with these numbers. For instance, if there is a glut of attorneys in Oklahoma, imagine the gross over-saturation in larger states. Do you still want to take those odds?!?!

    In the end, you are only gambling with your life and economic future. What’s the big deal, right?! Who the hell wants to have the option of starting a family or purchasing a home before they reach middle age? Wouldn't you prefer to incur an additional $80K-$110K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a chance to earn $40K-$50K per year?!

  12. Guess what, lemmings: law professors at U TX were given $4.65 million in "forgivable" loans.

    You know what a 'forgivable' loan is? It's the exact opposite of what you take out to attend U TX law school.

  13. ^Law school is a haven for financial crooks. Teaching the same old garbage year in and year out. This country has to be the world leader in rackets.

  14. http://www.law.ou.edu/content/master-laws-1


    The John B. Turner LL.M. Program at OU Law extends the school’s longstanding history of excellence and expertise in energy law, natural resources law and indigenous peoples law. This program is designed to be flexible, allowing international and American students to study in all three areas or concentrate their studies in one or two of these areas.

    The LL.M. program offers a combination of courses available only at the University of Oklahoma. In addition to studying with the outstanding faculty, students have unique interdisciplinary opportunities to receive credit for related courses offered by other departments. The LL.M. program also includes guest lectures, field trips, social events and networking opportunities.

    OU Law has one of the most favorable faculty-student ratios among law schools world-wide, so students will enjoy unsurpassed opportunities for close interaction with full-time faculty.

    Legendary professors including Peter Krug, Richard Hemingway, Victor Kulp, Eugene Kuntz, Maurice Merrill, Joe Rarick and Rennard Strickland have made the OU Law a national leader in energy, natural resources and indigenous peoples. Professors who continue this tradition include Owen Anderson (oil and gas law, oil and gas contracts and tax, international petroleum law and transactions), Taiawagi Helton (environmental law and Indian natural resources law), Drew Kershen (water law, agricultural law, international bio-technology law), Emily Meazell (energy law), Joyce Palomar (land tenure security law, real estate development law, and land use law), Lindsay Robertson (Indian law, indigenous peoples law, human rights law) and Murray Tabb (environmental law). In addition, the College is fortunate to have several distinguished adjunct and visiting professors who teach highly specialized classes in this program area.

    Browse our website for details about admission requirements, the academic program and living in Norman."

    Imagine how you will cause employers to wet their pants, when they see that you have an LLM in energy law, natural resources law or indigenous peoples' law, from the University of Oklahoma Commode of Law. After all, this "combination of courses [is] available only at the University of Oklahoma." Plus, who doesn't want to take such classes from supposedly "legendary professors"?!?! Hell, even the adjunct and visiting “professors” are “distinguished” at this trash pit.


    Oklahoma residents will pay $25,851 in tuition and fees - for the 2012-2013 school year. Out-of-state LLM students will be hit with a big-ass bill of $34,191, for 2012-2013. The fees amount to $14,499. In fact, the LLM fees are higher than in-state tuition - which is $11,352. At these prices, the school will say anything to get asses in seats. I’m half surprised the toilet doesn’t offer an advanced legal degree in space law.

  15. RE: One Trillion Dollars of American Student Loan Debt.


  16. Eddie waited till he finished high school.

    He went to Hollywood and got a tattoo.

    The sky was the limit!


  17. Law skool is for those without skill.

  18. This school is actually a good choice for ppl from oklahoma who want to work in oklahoma, theres no big law but 60k goes a long way in OK


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