Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Shiny Catholic First Tier Turd: Notre Dame Law School

After the school’s football team got pounded in the ass 42-14 in the national title game on January 10th, it is now time to flush the law school.


Tuition: Full-time law students at Notre Dame will be ball-punched to the tune of $45,980 – for the 2012-2013 academic year. According to the 2011 Form 990 for the University of Notre Dame du Lac, i.e. Employer ID No. 35-0868188, the “non-profit” corporation had $7,582,902,355 in total net assets as of June 30, 2011. With a university endowment exceeding $7.5 billion, the school desperately needs those tuition dollars, right?!?!

Estimated Total Cost of Attendance: The bitches and hags were nice enough to provide living expenses on the same document. According to the overpriced “in$titution of higher learning,” these costs will add another $18,100 to the tab. The school estimates a total COA of $64,080 for 2012-2013.

Keep in mind that ABA-accredited diploma mills base this figure off of a nine-month calendar. Since actual law students will require living expenses for twelve months, we will prorate the following: tuition and board; personal costs; and transportation. Doing so, we reach a more accurate estimated COA of $69,597 – for the current year. What a great deal, huh?!


Ranking: Bob Morse of US "News" & World Report lists this as the 22nd greatest, most remarkable law school in the United States. If you are impressed by that, then you would likely wet your pants upon seeing a new Honda Civic in the lane next to you.  Of course, if you are a broke-ass JD driving a 1998 Chevy Malibu with 189K miles on the odometer, then maybe your excitement is understandable.


Employment Placement Data: Check out this line from the commode, under the sub-heading “Today’s Job Market”:

Notre Dame Law School gathered data related to the employment of each member of the Class of 2011, and determined that the national employment rate of law graduates nine months after their May 2011 graduation was the lowest it has been since 1994.” [Emphasis mine]

Of course, the pigs then blamed this situation on the “economic downturn.” Then again, when was the last time that you expected universities and law schools to be honest about anything?!

Under Employment Status, notice that only 91.58 percent of the commode's Class of 2011 found work, within nine months of graduation.  Furthermore, 43 of the 174 employed grads were in short-term positions.  This figure represents 24.71% of gainfully employed JDs, from this cohort. 

Scroll down to Types of Employment.  Notice that only 64 members of this class ended up working in private law firms.  To be fair, 39 grads reported that they had attained judicial clerkships.  Now, head over to Size of Firms Employing NDLS Grads.  Look at the huge drop in the number of grads working in firms of more than 500 attorneys, for the Class of 2011 - in comparison to the prior graduating classes.  Only 13 members of the 2011 group found such employment, where this figure stood at 32, 51, and 47 for the respective classes of 2010, 2009, and 2008.  The job market is starting to affect higher-ranked toilets...except for the tuition rates.  Those continue to SKYROCKET, for $ome rea$on.


Average Law Student Indebtedness: US “News” lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Notre Dame JD Class of 2011 who incurred debt for law school - as $94,443. Overall, 89 percent of this class took on such toxic debt. Remember that these figures do not include interest that accrues on the outstanding balance, while the student is enrolled in school.


University Athletics Salaries: Apparently, no member of the law faculty made it on the list of the highest compensated employees.  If you scroll to Schedule J, Part II - Officers, Directors, Trustees, Key Employees, you will note that fired football coach Charles Weis is still being paid more than $2 million per year.  Yes, the fat pig received $2,055,839 in "other compensation" from the supposed "non-profit" corporation, for the tax year ending June 30, 2011.  It is also nice to see that this "august institution of higher learning" was able to pay its Athletics Director, John Swarbrick, a sum of $1,026,942 in TOTAL COMPENSATION, for the same year.  This staple of academia certainly has its priorities straight, since it is focused on the money.

Conclusion: In the final analysis, the shrinking and GLUTTED lawyer job market is starting to affect students and graduates of this first tier toilet.  Do not attend this Catholic commode unless you have strong family, political or business connections before you enroll, and merely need or want the credential as an added bonus.  Hell, people from law schools such as NYU, UVA, and Georgetown are being shut out of the "profession."  In 2010, grads from the University of Michigan were encouraged to work for LPOs in India.  Columbia Law School told its students to attend the undergrad job fair, back in September 2009.  You do not need to incur an additional $100K-$135K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a JD from an alleged elite "in$titution."  The goal is to provide shelter for your family and put food in the fridge, not attain some semblance of "prestige."      


  1. Why is that shit green?

    1. Somebody crapped into a just-cleaned toilet.

    2. Luck of the Irish

  2. Nando, you're invited! ;)

    Correction: It's tomorrow at 12:00 P.M.



    "Failing Law Schools"

    (University of Chicago Press, 2012)

    For decades, American law schools enjoyed one of the world’s great winning streaks. Amid swelling enrollments and what seemed an insatiable demand for new lawyers, they went on a spree of expansion; even as tuitions soared, the schools basked in an air of public-interest rectitude symbolized by Yale law dean Harold Koh’s description of his institution as a “Republic of Conscience.” Then came the Great Recession—and a great reckoning. New graduates were unable to find decently paying legal jobs even as they staggered under enormous debt burdens; it became impossible to ignore long-standing complaints from the world of legal practice that the law curriculum does not train students well in much of what lawyers do; and creative efforts to reduce the cost of law school were stymied by an accreditation process that closely constrains the format of legal education. In Failing Law Schools, one of the most talked-of books in years about higher education, Brian Tamanaha of Washington University has written a devastating critique of what went wrong with the American law school and what can be done to fix it. None of the key contributors to the problem—faculty self-interest, university administrators’ myopia, cartel-like accreditation—escape unscathed in his analysis. Please join us for a luncheon on January 16 at which Tamanaha will discuss his book.

    If you can’t make it to the Cato Institute, watch this event live online at http://www.cato.org/live and join the conversation on Twitter with the hashtag #CatoEvents. Also follow @CatoEvents on Twitter to get future event updates, live streams, and videos from the Cato Institute.

  3. The University of Our Lady of the Lake preys on people's faith the way other religious schools do. It's considered the best Catholic university in the country. (A lot of that has to do with its football program which adds to the school's name brand.) A lot of the kids from here are arrogant pricks too. Sadly, even when these a-holes become furniture salesmen or are managing a book store they still have that aura of arrogance about them, of thinking they're better than you. Good on you for finally getting to this school.

    1. Wow. I wonder what you're doing now for a living.

  4. Isn't that image just a bit harsh for a first tier school?

  5. First-tier non-T14s, like Notre Dame (and my own alma mater, Washington and Lee) do manage to place about 10-15 percent of their graduating class in judicial clerkships, and in that they remain a slightly less insane gamble than you find in the lower tiers, for instance John Marshall of Chicago, where 401 students graduated in 2011 and a grand total of ONE obtained a judicial clerkship.

    This might be an argument for attending a non- T14 first-tier if you meet both of the following conditions: (1) you get a substantial scholarship; and (2) you drop out at the end of your first year, or first semester, if it is clear you won't finish your 1L in the top quarter.

    Now, in my experience, persons who obtained a one or two year judicial clerkship, even at the state appellate court level, tended to land on their feet after the judicial clerkship ended, because firms valued their connections and state agencies valued their knowledge. However, I graduated over 15 years ago, before most of the structural changes had fully manifested, so this may no longer be true.

  6. Could you take Cryn off your blogroll? The politician is writing for financesherpas (dot) com now.

    1. Enough with beating Cryn.

      She's desperate, and it beats pole-dancing.

    2. I'd give her a couple a bucks if she was pole dancing.

    3. Cryn means well, and at least she's not running a blog for Kaplan about acing law school!

    4. I was hoping that Cryn had died. I read her recent cry for attention post where she fainted in an ER.

      If she swung around a stripper pole, it would bend and then snap off the ceiling because she's such a fat fucking hog.

      Now it looks like she is going to try ripping people off via Kickstarter. Not sure how many of us want to "invest" in her little vacations to DC.

  7. An almost, eight billion dollar endowment? Why aren't these schools taxed? Subsidized by taxpayers, law schools have had better pricing power than any of the Fortune 500 companies. That is why you have deans like O'Brien, at crap law schools, like New England Law, pulling down close to a million dollars a year.

    New England Law is even shittier than Suffolk, another feeder law school for people that can't get into BC, BU, Northeastern, or Harvard. But, O'Brien says he works hard. It doesn't matter that many of New England Law grads are facing huge debt, no job or lucky to get a temp job doing doc review. He is piece of work, large parts of the school's web-site are dedicated to telling how great O'Brien is, to justify his salary. His salary is in stark contrast to the abysmal outcomes of their graduates.


    New England Law, has lowered admission standards, and raised tuition in this declining law school application market to keep seats full.

  8. I always though ND was a great school. You say there is a 1/4 who work part time. What about temp jobs? Small Firms with shit salaries? What about solos? What about the ones who just go to more school? It seems to me that ND does not fare much better than the state school I graduated from. There is something seriously wrong when a Top 20 school is not worth the investment.

  9. This is a worse profession, salary-wise, than being a starving artist. At least people give artists tip money. The worst part is that current lawyers try to hide their poverty in order to appear successful. That's why it's taken so long for "law school scam" info to spread. MANY MANY people have yet to be educated about it too.

  10. This blog is very helpful and important for student who loves read online. And want online assignments and statistics homework help. Thanks and Keep continue help.

  11. Check out this page, for reasons to attend Notre Dame Law $chool:


    “Dedicated Career Development Office

    Our Career Development Office provides programs, resources, and counseling to assist you in managing your career in public- and private-sector positions at law firms, government offices, and organizations throughout the United States. You are provided with a wide range of services including on- and off-campus interview programs, judicial clerkship application support, career fairs and conferences, and collaboration with student organizations on career related programming, allowing you to achieve success in securing employment.”

    Yes, 24.71 percent of the EMPLOYED grads from the commode’s Class of 2011 were only able to secure short-term positions. What a great return on “investment,” huh?!?! In contrast, the tenured “law professors” are paid handsomely to re-hash archaic, parsed cases with old-ass lecture notes. Remember, that these pigs also typically “teach” only 4-6 hours per week. They can devote the rest of their “work week” sitting in their little offices, where they can peruse law.com, read the Wall Street Journal, do crossword puzzles, and perform research on their pet issues.

    "Graduate and Join a National Alumni Network

    A Notre Dame law degree is recognized by employers nationwide and provides an open door into all sectors of legal employment. You can shape public policy as a practicing lawyer, public servant, judge, innovator in business or in the non-profit world, among many other career options. One of Notre Dame Law School’s greatest strengths—and something that distinguishes it from other top-tier law schools—is its alumni network. The Notre Dame Law School alumni play a significant role in the life of the Notre Dame Law School student. Alumni give generously of their time and talents to help the Admissions Office recruit the finest future Notre Dame lawyers. They also help prospective students gain a better understanding of the Law School, its academic programs, career opportunities, culture, and mission. And they assist many current students who seek employment in a wide range of public and private sector positions."

    As you can see from the main blog entry, the Class of 2011 did not fare very well, in relation to other recent NDL$ grads - even with this large alumni network in place. If the shrinking lawyer job market is affecting this school, then imagine the job outlook for those attending third tier commodes and fourth tier trash pits.

  12. Law skool is for losers.

    1. How can a Catholic school--one, if I am correct, that is founded on Christian principles--charge so much for tuition? And how can they do it, knowing how bad the market is for lawyers?

    2. Money.

      They think the world owes it to them.

      Their Catholic values and worldview mean nothing when King Chunkachange shuffles into view.

  13. This really is out of control; our goverment-through school loans-is creating an underclass of permanently debt-ridden lawyers. These people would be better of not having attended law school-everyone agrees on this, but the gullible are allowed to take huge loans on the promise of...what? No jobs?
    And regarding the ND debt-there's no way that's accurate. The number given in USNWR is way too low.

  14. Now the Catholic Institutions are molesting the wallets of naive college graduates.

  15. Great link to story about the student loan horror story:


    Student loans are todays indentured servitude, so pig faculty at these non-profit colleges can rape our society.

    Who else gives huge loans to people with no way of telling whether they can pay the loan? It would be like giving a mortgage to an unemployed high school student, with the hope that he or she can get a job and make mortgage payments in the future.

    It is bass-akwards and the model is broken. Without student loans the whole system falls apart. Student loans make college/law school more accessible, but it artificially props up demand and prices. There would have been a correction in demand and prices at colleges a long time ago, if schools had to rely on the true demand for their graduates.

    Law schools and administrators are scum. They have no skin in the game. Make colleges have to match dollar for dollar in loans, any money someone receives for student loans, make the schools have to collect if someone does not pay. Start taxing these bastards. Make any college that pays their president over a million dollars ineligible for student loans and/or non-profit status. Publish faculty salaries in the same section that they publish law graduates starting salaries and employment status, along with average debt upon leaving. Just a few ideas.

  16. Any truth to the rumor Manti Te'o has decided to forego the NFL draft to attend ND Law?

  17. http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-manti-teo-hoax-poll-20130117,0,1900645.story

    Maybe the World Traveling Piece of Shit was behind this hoax on ND's Manti Te'o?

  18. Law school scam hits Twitter:


  19. http://law.nd.edu/publications/journals/

    Let's check out some of the overpriced commode's academic journals:

    "Journal of College and University Law

    The Journal of College and University Law, published by the Notre Dame Law School and the National Association of College and University Attorneys, is the only law review in the United States dedicated exclusively to the law of higher education. Since post-secondary education represents a microcosm of the greater community and world, virtually all legal issues of significant interest—race, gender, freedom of speech, religion and bioethics—arise on our campuses. The Journal has a national circulation of 3,800."

    Yes, that will definitely impress the hell out of potential employers, right?!?! What a broad readership, too. In comparison, TTR receives roughly 1,000 visitors each day.

    "Notre Dame Journal of Law, Ethics and Public Policy

    The Notre Dame Journal of Law, Ethics and Public Policy is unique among legal periodicals because it directly analyzes law and public policy from an ethical perspective. The Journal of Law, Ethics and Public Policy strengthens the Law School’s moral and religious commitment by translating traditional Judeo-Christian principles into imaginative, yet workable, proposals for legislative and judicial reform.

    Directed at both scholarly and public audiences, the Journal publishes in a symposium format and solicits contributions from distinguished scholars and prominent members of the public community. Recent issues have addressed the problems posed by serious juvenile crime, homelessness, AIDS, civil disobedience, drugs, the feminist challenge to traditional legal doctrine, and the law governing the news media."

    Does charging students - many of modest means - $45,980, for one year of tuition, fall under Judeo-Christian principles?!?! Remember, the univer$ity has an endowment exceeding $7.5 billion. The bastards pay no taxes on this profit, and the school does not contribute to local K-12, via property taxes. Cities and states are starved of funds, because these wealthy religiou$ corporations have obtained a status as supposed "non-profit institutions of higher learning." In the end, this is a mere POLITICAL DESIGNATION for tax evasion purposes.

    "Notre Dame Journal of International and Comparative Law

    The mission of the Journal of International and Comparative Law is to provide a forum of discussion for international, comparative, and human rights law; to educate students about international legal issues; to provide open and equal access to our publications; to be economically efficient, environmentally sustainable, and immediately responsive to current events in the field of international law; and to inspire our readers to work on these issues."

    I'm surprised that these dogs do not have a journal devoted to "sports law." Again, legal employers want to know if you made the main law review, and they typically do not care whether you were on a secondary publication.

  20. I am deeply disturbed by the fact that you constantly are calling law "professors" and "administrators" dogs and pigs. Both dogs and pigs are admirable and lovely creatures. In my books dogs are divine animals that are loyal to humans and are joy to be with. Law "professors" could not be called even 'shit', as it gives to much credit to them since one can fertilize soil with shit, never mind to be called dogs and pigs. Law "professor" are parasitic warms that are found in puss.

  21. Oh the irony of this school. You have a Notre Dame college football player making up a fake girlfriend and you have the law school making up fake employment stats.

  22. Like most of the big name skools, Notre Dame isn't what it's cracked up to be. I remember when one of our law interns had to teach a Harvard student how to file a motion in limine. Afterward I was like "What? They didn't teach you this shit at Harvard?"

  23. I somewhat agree with 1048 AM

    A more accurate description would be Feudal Overlords or Thieves.

    And they technically are thieves, because they steal purchasing power from others. How? Well when Law Schools obtain the government check (sent to the student as a loan), that sum enters the pockets of the university, WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAS NOT BEEN PAID BY THE STUDENT.

    What this essentially means, is that the law schools have just CREATED MONEY OUT OF THIN AIR. By creating money out of thin air, they increase the money supply, leading to some amount of inflation which leads to some price increases in society. As the salaries of most are not going up, and many are unemployed, a lot of people lose purchasing power (i.e. wealth) through the actions of Law Schools.

    Thus, they are thieves, and Feudal Overlords because they accentuate the Rich/Poor divide with their creation of money through the government handout.

  24. The school is all about name brand. It's in the same category as BC or G'town. It's got a name, but it's not really elite. And that's what makes it a gamble for non trust fund students. The rich kids can go out and get drunk or high every night. No problem. They'll get a job when their parents make a phone call.

    1. As far as I can tell, ALL of the primo lawl skools are like this - Got Money? Here's the Red Carpet. Got Jack? FUCK YOU - study your Gawddamned ass off FOR NOTHING.

  25. Law school is a shitty investment for the vast majority of students. The schools will continue to lie of course. What makes me want to vomit is when children say, Well I know someone that went to XYZ law school and now they're pulling down big bucks.

    Anecdotes are weak. And citing to the exception is bush league. Look at the numbers. The odds facing recent JDs are nothing to scoff at.

  26. http://www.telegram.com/article/20130120/NEWS/101209763/1116

    It costs to walk on the campus of Worcester State University.

    A “parking/pedestrian access fee” — part of the welter of mandatory and optional student fees that make up the bulk of the cost of a public higher education in the state and the only one at a Central Massachusetts public college or university — has for the last few years been tacked onto WSU students’ bills, whether they drive or walk to school.

  27. A decent job at last!


  28. Hey Nando, it's time for you to take "Prof." Steve Diamond to task! :)

  29. Take a look at the commode's plea for alumni donations. As if the bastards don't have enough money and assets in their coffers.


    "Support the Law School

    A New Generation of Notre Dame Lawyers

    Through a strong tradition of philanthropy, you play a major role in the Law School’s ability to educate a new generation of Notre Dame Lawyers. By supporting the Law School’s educational mission and highest priorities, you contribute to the ongoing success of Notre Dame Law School. Key sources of support provide student fellowships, expand the Kresge Law Library, enhance the Loan Repayment Assistance Program, and provide resources for the Public Service Initiative.

    “We aspire to be a premier law school, as well as an integral part of a great university which claims the Catholic tradition as part of its intellectual heritage.” From the Mission Statement of Notre Dame Law School"

    Later on, the trap school tries a different tactic to get you to open up your checkbook:

    "Continued Funding for our Public Service Initiative

    Through the Public Service Initiative established in 2008, Notre Dame is able to extend modest stipends to recent graduates who are still seeking employment. Michael Hom, ’04 JD, of the Career Development Office works with other Law School alumni to find positions with government, nonprofit, and other public interest groups. This special program, supported by alumni and friend donations to the Law School Annual Fund and the Order of St. Thomas More, provides an invaluable springboard for recent graduates.

    Every gift matters.

    Please indicate that you wish to direct your gift to the Law School in the “comments” section of the online gift form.

    Questions? Please contact:

    Jill Donnelly
    Director, Law School Annual Fund
    (574) 631-2998
    Fax: (574) 631-3980

    Robert Ortiz
    Academic Advancement Program Director, Law School
    (574) 631-3781
    Fax: (574) 631-8325

    Notice that the school took a page out of the ABA-accredited diploma mill playbook - and hired a woman and a racial minority in these positions. The pigs have no originality.

  30. I graduated in the Notre Dame Law School class of 2011, and I have two responses to this post. First, I have always been totally against the marriage of government lenders and universities, which have turned themselves into luxurious, elitist institutions on the backs of student loans. The government has put no limits on what it will shell out, and the universities have taken advantage of this lack of ceiling to screw all of us to a faretheewell. No doubt about it that this post is correct in criticizing that dynamic.

    But it is one thing to analyze this dynamic, and trace the effect on the current generation. What is wrong with this post is that it throws a tantrum, makes demands, and fails to look at how we have played into this problem. Under the guise of being "analytical," this is essentially a whiny rant demanding the inflated paychecks of 2007, not a critique of the loan-based system. 22-year-old adults freely borrowing hundreds of thousands of dollars are/should be well aware that they have to pay that money back, which depends on their income, which depends on job availability. Yes, the system set us up to be screwed, and lured us in with free money now (footnote: to be paid back later). But before the pay checks dried up, where were the protests? A blog post that says "everything is fine as long as we get paid inordinate amounts of money" is one that really misses the boat. It proves all the more that we have been an active third party in this unholy lender-university alliance, not an innocent victim.

    When I went to Notre Dame, I took myself off the wait list at Columbia and turned down higher ranked Michigan and UVA because they didn't give me scholarships. I lived at home with my parents and younger siblings, although I was already 25. I worked nights as a waitress. I graduated with an unpaid state-level clerkship, then spent ten months answering phones in a parish rectory and living in a friend's apartment while I beat the pavement until finding a job in a modest firm as a litigator. I bought only two suits, rarely eat out, don't have a credit card, and have aggressively put every cent toward my loans.

    It's not fun. And it's not right. There is no reason for tuition to be so high - it's pure profiteering, facilitated by an unchecked flow of government dollars. But was I forced to take the loans? No. And the majority of my classmates, who did not work, and who paid full tuition and living expenses with borrowed money, played into the system even more than I did. We are all responsible, and vilifying the institution as though we were "tricked" is ridiculous.


Web Analytics