Friday, March 15, 2013

Excellent News: There Were Fewer LSATs Administered in 2012-2013 Than in 1987-1988

The Hard Data:

Take a look at the LSAC chart labeled "LSATs Administered."

The total number of exams for 2012-2013 was LESS THAN the figure for 1987-1988. You merely need to compare the numbers. This past year, there were a total of 112,515 LSATs administered, compared to 115,988 in 1987-1988.  I'm sure that the law school swine are sweating and defecating themselves in their pens, at this moment.

You can see the trend: in 2009-2010, the number of entrance exams amounted to 171,514. According to this data source, the last three years saw respective declines of LSATs of 7.5 percent, 13.6% and 12.9 percent.

In sum, there has been a 34.4 percent drop in law school admission tests from 2009-2010 to 2012-2013, i.e. 112,515/171,514. The number of college graduates has certainly not decreased in that time. Of course, the greedy pig diploma mills have simply loosened their standards, in order to retain significant class sizes.

On December 14, 2012, Paul Campos posted a brilliant ITLSS entry labeled “Endgame.” Check out this killer opening:

“What are the economic implications for law schools of an admissions cycle that ends up attracting only 53,000 applicants? To answer this question, we have to estimate how many matriculants such a cycle is likely to yield. This is a function of two factors: how many applicants end up getting admitted to at least one school to which they apply, and how many admitted applicants actually end up enrolling.

As to the first factor, the percentage of applicants being admitted to at least one school has been rising for several years now:

2004: 55.6% 
2005: 58.6% 
2006: 63.1%
2007: 66.1%
2008: 66.5% 
2009: 67.4% 
2010: 68.7% 
2011: 71.1% 

In other words, law school applicants were 27.9% more likely to be admitted to at least one school in 2011 than they had been seven years earlier. We don’t have numbers yet for how many 2012 applicants were admitted to at least one school, but since the number of applicants fell by 13.7%, while the number of new 1Ls fell by only 8.6%, it seems certain that the upward trend in percentage of applicants admitted continued." [Emphasis mine]

For $ome rea$on, ABA-accredited diploma mills have chosen to “relax” their already weak-ass admission criteria. Hell, many law schools currently accept applicants with 148 LSAT scores or 2.9 undergrad GPAs. Yes, that is a hallmark of professional school, right?!?! Clearly, the law school pigs and cockroaches don’t give one damn about their students, and are only interested in maintaining their bloated, artificially set salaries.

The Effects of Fewer Applicants on ABA Commodes:

The New York Times published an Ethan Bronner piece entitled “Law Schools’ Applications Fall as Costs Rise and Jobs Are Cut” - back on January 30, 2013. Check out the following excerpt, from that article:

“A few schools, like the Vermont Law School, have started layoffs and buyouts of staff. Others, like at the University of Illinois, have offered across-the-board tuition discounts to keep up enrollments. Brian Leiter of the University of Chicago Law School, who runs a blog on the topic, said he expected as many as 10 schools to close over the coming decade, and half to three-quarters of all schools to reduce class size, faculty and staff.

After the normal dropout of some applicants, the number of those matriculating in the fall will be about 38,000, the lowest since 1977, when there were two dozen fewer law schools, according to Brian Z. Tamanaha of Washington University Law School, the author of “Failing Law Schools.”

The drop in applications is widely viewed as directly linked to perceptions of the declining job market. Many of the reasons that law jobs are disappearing are similar to those for disruptions in other knowledge-based professions, namely the growth of the Internet. Research is faster and easier, requiring fewer lawyers, and is being outsourced to less expensive locales, including West Virginia and overseas.” [Emphasis mine]

Automation eliminates information jobs, as fewer workers armed with faster technology and better software can produce more than several employees in the past. It’s a brave new world. People can now easily access case law, statutes, city ordinances, land records, and perform rudimentary legal research - from the comfort of their own home. Hell, you can now purchase legal forms from online vendors and Office Max.

Conclusion: These numbers indicate that college graduates have started catching onto the law school scam. At some point, several ABA-accredited trash heaps will end up closing their doors. You simply cannot admit applicants with 139 LSAT scores and pass yourself off as a legitimate “institute of higher learning.” Furthermore, "legal education" diploma mills will not offer across the board tuition discounts for long. A few will merge with other toilets, in order to grab some more federal loan money a while longer. Perhaps, some large colleges or universities will purchase such commodes, in the mistaken belief that their name brand can resuscitate a fourth tier garbage pit. Thank you to everyone who has helped document this house of cards. Lastly, to the law school pigs: You’re welcome!


  1. All law students should also be forced to learn a practical trade for their own benefit. I hope to see some joint lawyer-teachers and lawyer-plumbers in the next few years. Most lawyers can't even write for shit, the only practical skill you'd think they would have.

  2. There are quite a few lawyers teaching elementary school or high school. They had the certificates and training for that before going to law school. But there probably aren't many plumber lawyers.

    Plumbing law LLM anyone?

  3. Good news, and long overdue.

    When I look at that data, back when I went, I apparently had (1) better stats that are required now, and (2) I had a less than even chance of even being accepted.

    Looking back, boy, was I "lucky." If only I knew then what I know now...

  4. I paid a plumber $400 yesterday for less than half a day's work. How many unemployed and underemployed attorneys out there would give their left nut to clear $400 a day?

    1. Law might suck but I don't know why you idiots are idolizing plumbers. Do you think that was $400 in his pocket? That $400 covers building materials, transportation, health insurance, retirement, etc. before it goes into his pocket. Not to mention he only "makes" $400 a day when there is work.

    2. But, if you pay him in cash, he probably doesn't claim it on his taxes, so it balances out.

    3. Plumbers are quite in demand. A Dallas newspaper is offering $50 for plumbers to come and interview with their company. Just show up between the hours of x to y. I have never been paid a penny to interview with anyone. they are in that much demand.

  5. I'm guessing this cycle will see a 75+% acceptance rate across the board. Thus, despite a drop in applicants, we're looking at a stable number of ever-dumber law graduates.

    Law. schools. must. close.

  6. The other day I heard a radio ad from some shyster offering to defend you in OWI cases for $500. My guess is these people make their money on the volume of cases and they just assign most of the work to paralegals. Then they go to pretrial and get you to plea to a lesser offense.

    If you don't have much of a record and you have some social skills, you can get the same fucking deal with a prosecutor. They don't really want to take it to trial either. Not for a run of the mill OWI. Because there's always the risk they could lose in court. Why take a risk when you can get an automatic conviction and some fine money for the state?

  7. Read for the absolute toscin of doom for law schools. (From Tamanaha.)

    Some choice facts from the blog post:

    In 2003, **four** law schools admitted more than 50% of their applicants.

    In 2012, **eighty-two** law schools admitted more than 50% of their applicants. (About forty percent of all law schools.)

    In 2012, 68,000 people applied to law school - in 2013 about 55,000.

    It is likely that more than 100 law schools nationwide will accept 50% or more of their applicants (20 schools accepted between 45% and 49% in 2012), and several dozen law schools will accept two-thirds or more of their applicants.

    For example, New England School of Law accepted 37.2% of applicants in 2003, compared to 89% in 2012.


    A fair number of law schools this year will have effectively open admissions, and still won't be able to fill their classes.

    Glug, glug, glug...

    1. I should add that the financial situation for law schools is even more dire than detailed above, since law schools across the quality spectrum are going to be providing more and more tuition discounts (i.e. "scholarships") to fill classes and for the somewhat better schools, to try and maintain the quality of applicants that they get.

      So, not only is the number of students dropping, but the average tuition collected per student is going to be dropping sharply as well.

  8. Law school diploma mills are becoming much less “selective,” in recent years. Take a look at this comment from the World Traveling Piece of Trash/Mr. Insanity, from a May 16, 2012 TTR entry regarding Oklahoma City “University” Sewer of Law extending its application deadline last Fall:


    May 16, 2012 at 6:37 PM

    I used to go to Western New England College. I was excited, after applying and being denied to law schools for 3 years before. I finally got in, moved across the US, and started. I did very well, getting top 5-10% grades my first semester and not doing quite as well the second semester, but ending with top 18%. I was cocky and thought I was amazing. I came to this blog, fists out, mouth roaring. I gave Nando and JDPainter a bunch of crap. I laughed at those who thought law school was a waste. I said I was different and would end with an AMAZING job because I was "so smart". I am sure there are THOUSANDS of people like that out there.

    Above I posted a post about my return. Truth is, I struggled through my second year of law school. I transferred to a much higher ranked school but had a hell of a time getting settled in. My grades were among THE WORST OF MY CLASS the first semester of 2L. I secretly came to Nando's blog and the others. I started to realize that there was much truth to these blogs.

    I am now going into my 3rd year of law school. I have no job lined up for the summer. I have no want to be a lawyer. I think, no, scratch that, I hope that I can find something after law school. Maybe I will be a teacher. Maybe I will get a job as a telemarketer. I don't know. Truth was I was cocky, and I ended up regretting it.

    Kids, listen to Nando. Listen to these people. Do NOT think you are different. Life can throw you a curve ball. That being said, if you are in law school have some other options ready. You may not like law (I don't want to practice it, and right now with Diablo III out, I care less about working an internship -- what good would it do me anyway? Not like they pay.) Also, be aware that your grades are almost random. I was not smart my first year like I thought. Instead I was lucky. And I don't believe in luck.

    The World Traveling Law Student"

    The mental midget ADMITTED that he applied to - and was DENIED admission by - law schools for three years before finally getting into Fourth Tier Trash Pit We$TTTTern New England College Sewer of Law! Hell, he moved across the country in order to attend this stench pit. Now check out this earlier comment from the ball-less weasel:


    June 27, 2011 at 9:41 AM

    I am the piece of waste. I am not scared to tell you about my credentials. institution. WNEC, class rank: top 18%, section 2, LSAT score 153, Undergrad GPA 3.2, Law GPA 3.14.”

  9. I wonder if this means it will be easier to get higher LSAT scores.

  10. Nando: I've mentioned this on my blog:

  11. Uh oh! The Valvoline Deans endless supply of lemmings might be drying up! Will he have to face the Ignominy of driving around a "pre-owned" Mercedes Amg? the horror!

  12. Nando,

    Just yesterday, I received the e-mail below (with my name and sender's name removed) from my first-tier law school:

    "Dear Mr. .....:

    I hope you are well!

    I am writing because we have admitted a JD student from South Korea who is interested in connecting with you about your experience at ..... Law School. Would it be okay with you if I provide the student with your name and e-mail address so that he can contact you?

    Thank you for your time and consideration!"

    Now, I have no idea why they think my experience would be relevant since I graduated all the way back in '94. Perhaps, it's because they think a current student might not be very favorable towards the school?

    What say you?

    1. They should be reaching out to very recent grads since their experience will better reflect the situation for the S. Korean kid. But...that's assuming the law school gives a single droplet of shit about the student.

      We know better. So the greedy assholes are betting an older alum will have more positive experiences. And hence more positive things to say about the school and profession.

    2. It's pretty telling that they had to go back almost 20 years. They might get more responses if they contact recent graduates, though. I'm guessing a lot of them have tons of time on their hands to talk with that prospective student about their experiences...

  13. They should close all law schools for a couple years, fire everyone and start with something new.

  14. I spray painted on a bridge over looking the New Jersey Turnpike GOOGLE THIRD TIER REALITY and I think that is why applications plummeted. Wonder if the law schools will Sue me for spray painting that on an overpass.

    1. ^People should do this on overpasses across the country.

  15. It seems like every person I talk to about law school in real life has a relative or a friend in a TTT or TTTT. It's amazingly fucking stupid.

    A law should be passed restricting law school admission only to people who made either 1) a 3.5 undergraduate GPA or 2) a 155 on the LSAT. Hell, even those minimums might be too low. In any case, such a law would speed up the process by almost immediately killing at least fifty or sixty law schools. If Congress weren't full of shitheads, maybe this kind of necessary reform would be possible. Maybe it's unconstitutional, but who cares? It has to be done because the profession refuses to regulate itself.

    1. Make it 3.9 or a near-perfect LSAT (175) and they have to be warned how gawdaful the legal job market is in writing (and they have to sign some sort of "yo ass is doomed" receipt.)

      As long as Thomas Jefferson can collapse so I can form my sleazy private investigations outfit, Magnum/Gunn, I will be happy.

    2. That'd be interesting, wouldn't it? Just imagine some hard-boiled Sam Spade type sitting in his office and playing with his turds all day long. I'm sure that people would pay you a LOT of money to do that.

    3. Wow, you have a one-track mind, and it goes around in very tiny circles. Dr. Mengele would have been fascinated to work on you.

    4. Haha, but we all know what YOU like to "work on." Face it, sculptor, your past comments make it clear that you are positively fixated on crap. When someone points out the obvious, you stammer "No U" and then go right back to your sculpting. And face-painting, LOL.

    5. You are the lamest troll I've had to deal with here, just crap jokes and latent homosexuality, and it's costing you 40-50 bucks a month to do this because you are behind x-number of proxy servers or anonymizers. Get a life.

    6. That's all you've got? I figured you'd at least threaten to run over me with your high-octane supercharged poopmobile, LOL. It's parked outside the abandoned law school building that now serves as the elite headquarters of that crime-busting dynamo, Poop Sculptor, P.I.!

      And I KNOW that 40 bucks must sound like the gates of El Dorado to someone like you. Why, with that much money, the world would be your oyster, right? You could buy yourself a whole mountain of poop, which is probably enough to last you at least an hour or two.

    7. ^ Confessions of a closeted feces lover.

    8. The poop-sculpting pussy is coming unglued; his defenses collapsed, he's now reduced to static babbles of denial: "No, U! I know you are but what am I! Not me! NOT ME!!! RAAAAA!!!"

      Good luck attaining your mountain of poop, Sculptorpuss. You probably swim around through it like Scrooge McDuck with his money.

    9. You're the only one keeping this going, hell you followed me here from the "Outside the Law School"'re the one who gets off talking about shit; I just called you shit. But then this is all classic troll behavior; this is the best you can do, so you carry on with the 5th grade level insults.

    10. It's the same piece of shit that posted as WTLS and Mr. Infinity. He's still posting but didn't respond to the comment on this thread which shows he admitted the bloggers were right and he was wrong. That was last May when he did that.

      The kid applied to law school for 4 years before getting in somewhere. You're dealing with an obsessed (schizophrenic) person. In time he'll be in a padded room.

  16. I wonder what will happen with the empty law buildings after they close their doors? I think they should all be converted to either casinos or brothels.

    1. Most of them are on college campuses, so you know they will wind up being science annexes, offices for the Liberal Arts program, or general classrooms....the nicest general classrooms most people have ever sat in.

  17. Brothels seem approprite.

  18. This is such great news! But it's even BETTER than these stats because, like was mentioned, taking the LSAT doesn't necessarily mean that people actually applied and/or enrolled in a law school. Furthermore, these stats don't account for the people who wisely leave after the first semester/year.

    The handwriting is really on the wall though. Vermont Law School firing groundkeepers, Law schools expanding LLM programs, etc. It's really just a matter of time before it melts down. There's no way this trend will be reversed.

    1. Many of these boys and girls will not even apply to law school. Some will be humbled by shitty scores. Others will score well but realize they are better off not going.

  19. I have not seen the book FAILING LAW SCHOOLS at my Barnes and Noble shelf yet but when it hits the shelf then it will really cause a firestorm. Make sure to buy a copy and donate it to the local high school library.?

  20. "I'm sure that the law school swine are sweating and defecating themselves in their pens"

    hahaha they're probably thinking "Oh no, how will I pay for my 500,000 sq ft house, and posh beachfront property?"

    Helping the legions of indebted students with no career prospects never crossed their minds.

  21. Everything predicted here has come true. Faced with declining applications, the LS thugs are exposed as hypocrites and $$$ grabbers. Instead of lowering enrollments to adapt to a permanent, structural shift to the economy, they open the floodgates.

    The admins want to wring every last penny out of their profit machine before it collapses. Forget the students, extracting cash is all that matters to them. This is the same lot that scolded you to "make a difference" and "give something back" Those rules don't apply to them.

    1. Extracting every last dollar is all that matters to the greedy shithead deans and professors. Nothing else matters.

  22. That's going to be the new problem: easy lending and open admissions. It's going to be years before any law school closes, because all they are going to do is let anyone who can fog a mirror in to keep the scam going. So half the battle is won: the scam has been exposed. But the same is true regarding for-profit colleges. Those are clearly scams, with countless hugely indebted unemployed ex-students, and everybody who ought to do something about it knows it. But those diploma mills keep on chugging along, continually being fed by the winning combination of gullibility and easy loans.
    Until the easy loan money stops, the scam law schools are going to be around for a while.

  23. The pigs only have one of two choices to make now:

    1.) greedy law schools pigs maintain their standards, begin admitting less and less, and take in less money and therefore must reduce their own salaries.


    2.) greedy law school pigs lower standards to keep the schools full, begin admitting functioning retards who are stupid enough to keep buying the lie, and start graduating idiots who don't have a prayer in landing a legal job.

    I think we all know which option the pigs will choose.

  24. University of Oregon adjunct law professor cited for theft, harassment following confrontation with students

  25. I have publicly been on NPR radio and also on the Long Island News with my real identity.

    Dealing with Mr. Infinity is a matter for the police by now. All blogging is over, and we will all have to deal with the fallout.

    In any event, Mr, Infinity will likely have his real name published.

    I never wanted to ruin his legal career and I warned him over and over that I would go to the local police over his anon cyber bullying.

    But he kept it up and has repeatedly spread the false rumor among thousands of readers that I do not and refuse to work.

    He also way overstepped the line a few days ago by trying to pin a racist comment on me that I never made.

    And he did that repeatedly on the March 6th TTR post.

    I am done with this, and let this be a lesson to any potential anon stalker

    Best of Luck Nando.

    John Koch

    1. LOL, maybe they should call you "Apolalypse Roach" instead.

      Let's see, (1) a promise to stop posting - forever - and (2) a threat to go to the police on your critics. So what else is new?

      As much as you cry, the police must have a couple of branch offices in your parents' house by now.

    2. "Dealing with Mr. Infinity is a matter for the police by now. All blogging is over, and we will all have to deal with the fallout."

      What did the FBI say about your complaint? Did they assign their top people to it?

    3. They're going to raise J. Edgar Hoover from the grave for this one. The stakes have never been higher.

    4. Keep on keeping on Mr. Koch!


    On April 10, 2012, the Atlantic published Jordan Weissmann's ass-kicking piece entitled "The Wrong People Have Stopped Applying to Law School." Look at this brutal opening:

    "Among the many unfortunate developments in higher education over the past decade, one of the most talked about has been the law school bubble. In the heat of the recession, a record number of students decided that it would be a good idea to dive six-figures into debt for a shot at a legal career. Many were lured with utterly misleading job placement stats, as well as a stubborn misperception that law was still a safe career choice, that a J.D. even guaranteed a living wage. Once they graduated, many realized otherwise.

    Last month, the Law School Admissions Council (a.k.a., LSAC) published data indicating that the bubble finally seemed to have popped -- a merciful development, as I put it at the time. The number of LSAT tests administered has plummeted over the past two years, and fewer students are accepting admission. This is a happy turn of events. The fewer grads being funneled into an super-saturated industry, the better. (Full disclosure: I used to work for a law firm.)

    Yesterday, LSAC released a new bit of evidence* that law school has finally lost its luster. Applicants are down more than 15 percent for the year. But there's one problem: The wrong students have stopped applying.

    Take a look at the chart below, which shows the number of applications from prospective students in each LSAT range for 2012. Here's the take away: The number of students applying who probably have no business going to law school has dropped the least. The number of students applying who probably should be going to law school has dropped the most."

    As noted, Weissmann was an attorney. The piece was not written by a $elf-intere$ted "law professor" or pathetic shill such as Mr. Insanity/World Traveling Piece of Trash. Check out Weissmann’s conclusion:

    “So the smart kids got the memo. Law school is largely a losing game, and they're not going to play, even though they can probably count on a better hand than most. Meanwhile, the number of laggards applying has barely budged.

    Maybe that's just what makes the smart kids the smart kids.”

    Waterheads will continue to take the LSAT, until they finally gain admission to an ABA-accredited diploma mill. Remember, Mr. Insanity applied to law schools for four years, and was finally accepted to a fourth tier trash pit.

    The Campos entry “Endgame” showed that the law schools have steadily accepted higher percentages of applicants for each of the past seven years. It will be interesting to see the “quality” of the incoming Fall 2013 class, seeing that those with LSAT higher scores have declined to enroll in law school at MUCH higher rates than the cretins who performed poorly on the exam.

  27. I am one. I dropped the LSAT test a week before I was going to take it. I knew if i took it, I would have applied. a $175 hit is not as bad as $150,000

  28. I gave a lot of thought to the Mr. Infinity situation today, and I tried to put myself in his shoes.

    I am assuming he really is in a law school and that he went through the law school grind like all of us did and at whatever tier.

    And he sounds young, or at least younger than me by at least 10 or 15 years.

    As nando referenced or maybe implied in an above comment, Epic Fail/Infinity/WTLS was once someone that I considered a blogging friend, and- what is especially poignant- in light of his most recent blog post, is that i remember he even make a comment on one of my old blog posts about how he too was serching for his "Willoughby" and the following video will explain what he meant:

    He also had left other friendly comments in the past.

    And so and for old times sake I am just going to leave him alone and consider it a friendship with me as well as with some of you other bloggers that regretfully went awry through a misunderstanding.

    Moreover, he admits he has more than 200K of SL debt, and has not been through the later years with the debt and he seems to be trying to stave off panic with a crash course in positive thinking along with denouncing his old blogging friends.

    I wish him luck. He is optimistic and forward looking, and I am looking back on very wrong decisions and how it feels to live in a financial trap.

    It is not for me to deal with him.

    As they say in the Alcoholics Anonymous, one should never take the inventory of someone else and bring it to their face, for that is the sign of a sick mind.


    1. There could be psychological things to consider. He could be taking out on you his frustration with his decision to go to law school. He may be projecting on to you his anger in that.

    2. The police told you to fuck off, didn't they?

    3. It took you 4 tries to get into law school? Did you finally omit your extensive record of child molestation when you filled out your law school application?

    4. Yep. They told you to fuck off.

      P.S. I don't remember saying I even WENT to law school. Roachie's problem (there are many) is that he automatically assumes that his many, many critics are all one huge aggregated bastard - who must have a LOT of free time on his hands, LOL.

  29. "What are the economic implications for law schools of an admissions cycle that ends up attracting only 53,000 applicants?"

    So 53000 many actually get admit and how many actually goes to law school in 2012?


  31. The big-ass decrease in law school admission tests was newsworthy last year. Imagine how the law school cockroaches are feeling now.

    On March 20, 2012, Matthew Yglesias wrote a piece for Slate, under the headline “The Stunning 24 Percent Two-Year Drop In LSAT Taking.” Here is the extent of that brief article:

    “One year of data can be a blip, but for Internet purposes two years is good enough to be a trend so I'm willing ot say that with a 24 percent decline in the number of people taking the LSAT over the past two years that Peak Law School Applications arrived in 2010. And not a year too soon! It's been clear for some time now that the campaign to produce more and more lawyers was becoming economically destructive. The very high earnings of the people at the top of the legal profession had no relationship to the realistic career prospects of the marginal new lawyer, even biglaw turned out to be quite vulnerable to the business cycle, and technology is really threatening the lower end of the legal profession with disruption.”

    Steve Schwartz posted an entry on the LSAT Blog, entitled “Fewest LSATs Adminstered In Over 1o Years” on March 19, 2012. Take a look at his explanation for the decrease in exams administered:

    “What happened?

    There's a simple explanation: college graduates and other victims of the recession sought refuge in law school to wait for an economic recovery, but it turned out that it wasn't the safe haven they were expecting. As a result, there aren't as many new applicants.

    Why such a big drop? The obvious answer is the current state of the legal market. First, it was exhaustively covered by blogs (from law school scam blogs and Law School Transparency to industry heavyweight Above The Law), then by the mainstream media itself (notably the New York Times, beginning with this article). The resulting flood of articles has undoubtedly had an impact.”

    How do you like that reality, law school swine?!?! You bastards cannot get around the following facts: (1) the U.S. lawyer job market is GLUTTED; (2) there are roughly 25,000 positions requiring bar passage each year; (3) outsourcing, automation, predictive coding and other advances in technology have caused the attorney job market to shrink; and (4) college graduates and young people rely heavily on the internet, for news and consumer information.

    Lastly, here is a message to the parasites known as "law professors" and deans. Beating your filthy, vile, putrid asses into the ground has been a genuine pleasure! The fact that I have been able to rely on industry sources – i.e. NALP employment summaries, ABA data and statements, US “News” & World Report, law school websites, etc. – for much of the information on this blog has been an added bonus.

  32. The court scene from the movie Idiocracy will take place in real life courtroom near you in about three or four short years from now. That's where we're headed...

  33. With all due respect to everybody, but the Outside the Law School Scam blog has turned out to be a purposeful and really cowardly and anon and pornographic shit party all over Brian Leiter, and it is small wonder that Professor Campos or DJM have been scared away, and will not or won't comment there anymore.

    I emailed Brian Leiter and told him that I didn't post or comment at all on a really obnoxious OLSS post that even had a mentally deranged poem by a commentor that unfairly overstepped all lines of decency for the wanton insult of Maurice Leiter who has nothing to di witht he scamblogs.

    My problem is SL debt and not the Campos/ Leiter situation, or learning about how upper tier law grads need psychological help and who also like to slum among and look for sympathy from the people harmed by lower tier reality.

    So here is a big Bronx cheer to the Outside the Law School Scam Blog. A flop, and probably a bugbear to Campos now.

    In parting, have any of youse people ever wondered why Tamanaha stopped commenting as well? I seem to recall his last comment, which was on the Outside Lies Magic Blog.


    Professor Leiter:

    I just want you to know that I am not a part of this post, and that I have not made any of the really awful comments on this post:

    I feel that I have to clear my name by now since there is an anon person that wants to pin comments that I have never made-on me.

    As always I am not anon.

    I am very sorry for the rift between you and Prof. Campos. It has nothing to do with me and I wish you both well in trying to forgive and forget and move ahead.

    I can identify with your situation in some ways in that we are both barraged by anon people and fighting phantoms.


    John Koch
    Long Island

  34. So you're saying I posted that on OLSS? So what if I posted a mean comment aimed at blacks. That's got nothing to do with you.

    1. Au contraire, dude. Roachie thinks that he is an honorary black man - apparently. He's a FIERCE civil rights warrior now - just like Al Sharpton, LOL.

  35. Anyway, my loans are back with Sallie Mae in the capacity of servicer/subcontractor.

    So after default with Sallie Mae in 2009, the Dept. of Ed bought the loan up.

    The loan was then split into two categories or loans for some reason.

    And now, three years later, Sallie Mae is doing the servicing again.

    I wonder why? Maybe the Dept. of Ed. doesn't have the administrative infrastructure to service the loans and has to farm that job out to subcontractors?

    In any event, it feels like a new beginning :)

    .....Come, my friends,
    'Tis not too late to seek a newer world.
    Push off, and sitting well in order smite
    The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
    To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
    Of all the western stars, until I die.
    It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
    It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
    And see the great Achilles, whom we knew
    Though much is taken, much abides; and though
    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven; that which we are, we are;

    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

  36. They should close all law schools for a couple years, fire everyone and start with something new. printing in nj .


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