Friday, March 29, 2013

First Tier Bloody Stool: William & Mary Law School


http://law.wm.edu/admissions/cost/

Tuition: Virginia residents attending this school on a full-time basis will pay $27,800 in full-time tuition and fees, for the 2012-2013 school year. Out-of-state, full-time students at this commode will be slapped with a big-ass bill of $37,800 - for 2012-2013. Of course, on this page, the pigs claim that this is “a smart investment for your future.”

Total Cost of Attendance: According to this same document, law students will need a “living allowance” of $14,850, while books will amount to $1,450. As such, the estimated, total COA for in-state, full-time students reaches $44,100, whereas the non-resident, full-time budget hits $55,100. 

Keep in mind that ABA-accredited diploma mills calculate living expenses on a nine-month, academic calendar. Since actual students will require rent, food, insurance, transportation and miscellaneous costs for twelve months, I will prorate the figure for the full year. Doing so leads to an estimate of $19,800 - an increase of $4,950. This leads to a more accurate COA, for 2012-2013, of $49,050 for Virginia residents attending on a full-time basis and $59,050 for out-of-state, full-time law students. 

It is pretty clear that the cockroaches don’t give a damn about the students. Take a look at this silly nonsense published on this page:

“While there is no question that law school is a costly endeavor, William & Mary offers a stellar legal education for a very competitive price.”

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+2

Ranking: What exactly are you paying for, in this costly endeavor?! Based on the newest ratings issued by US “News” & World Report, William & Mary Law $chool is rated as the 33rd greatest, most marvelous law school in the United States. This in$titution shares this distinction with the University of Georgia and the University of Wisconsin.

http://law.wm.edu/careerservices/documents/ABA%20Summary%20March%2015%20FINAL.pdf

Employment Placement Data: Take a look at the Employment Summary for the Class of 2012. There were 204 members of this cohort. This report alleges that 94.6% of this class was employed within nine months of graduation.

The school hired a total of 41 graduates - from this particular class - in university or law school-funded positions! At least, all of these jobs were full-time and long term. Of course, the public garbage heap provided these jobs, in order to artificially inflate its employment “placement” rate. If the school did not employ this large segment, then only 74.5 percent would have been employed within nine months of receiving their law degrees.

Also, only 61 grads ended up working in law firms. This figure includes the desperate solo and 18 members who went to work for law firms of 2-10 attorneys. Notice that this first tier toilet did not even provide starting salary information, in this summary. 

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+6

Average Law Student Indebtedness: USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the William & Mary JD Class of 2012 who incurred debt for law school - as $94,842. Fully 80 percent of this commode’s unfortunate 2012 class took on such foul debt. Keep in mind that this figure does not include undergraduate debt. It also does not take accrued interest into account.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/27/the-lawyer-surplus-state-by-state/

The Attorney Glut in Virginia: On June 27, 2011, Catherine Rampell published an article in the New York Times Economix blog, entitled “The Lawyer Surplus, State by State.” The information was compiled by Economic Modeling Specialists Inc. Check out the following figures for the state of Virginia, which has the 17th most glutted lawyer job market in the nation:

“Estimated Annual Openings for 2010-2015: 956
Bar Exam Passers, in 2009: 1,375 
Surplus: 419” 

Do you see the problem facing current law students and freshly-minted JDs, in the state?!?!

Conclusion: You will not be served well by incurring an additional $105K-$140K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a law degree from this toilet. If you want to practice law in Virginia, you will be in a crowded field. The law school swine at William & Mary want you to believe that you are making a smart investment. Of course, these bitches and hags have no skin in the game. As the student debtor, YOU will be on the hook - for the total amount, plus interest. If you cannot find a job - or you end up with a weak salary - that does not matter. You must repay the loan. Meanwhile, the “professors” and deans have made off with the money.

89 comments:

  1. Nice writeup, Nando. W&M turned into a trap school at some point; hopefully, aspirants reading your blog will "get" that. The other thing is, back when I graduated LS there were numerous research mills in Albemarle County, Virginia. To make a long, familiar story short, I couldn't afford to live where the jobs were. I'd be willing to bet nothing changed.

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    1. Looks like beets to me.

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  2. Keep holding their feet to the fire, and saving many from a life of financial ruin.

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  3. LOL, they hired 41 people for "long-term" (which means 13 months, I think) positions?

    How does anyone think this joke of a system is sustatinable?!

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  4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq8OU-7JDFA

    "Oh, no! William and Mary won't do!"

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  5. Fuck, the school hired almost a quarter of the graduating class. Ranked 33rd. If the lemmings don't get it by now, fuck 'em.

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  6. Great work, Nando! If a law school that's attached to a prestigious UG school and is relatively close to DC has to hire so many of its graduates to prop up its numbers, what does that tell you about the legal market and profession?

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  7. W&M is a shitty law school. Its undergrad is overrated too, but its law school really is a turd from the ass of someone who eats turds. Its grads have this attitude that they are the best fucking things ever because their schools is "so hard compared to everyone else's school", and it's in the middle of fucking nowhere. Williamsburg? That hotbed of legal action? I think the only lawyer working there is someone dressed up in a costume of a lawyer in WIlliamsburg.

    It doesn't sell well in DC because of the glut of top grads in DC. It doesn't sell well in Richmond because Richmond is full of UofR grads who are incestuous in their hiring and UVA grads who are slumming it in Richmond now that DC doesn't want them. And there's nowhere else in VA to work.

    W&M is a turd that nobody should attend. It used to be cheap. I guess they decided that they could be part of the scam about a decade ago.

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    1. Hey fuck off nigger, W&M undergrad isn't overrated.

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    2. Super offensive and inappropriate. I guess you are a W&M student. Congrats W&M for turning out such arrogant, pompous jerks like you.

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  8. It's about time the government put warning labels on attending non-elite law schools similar to the ones they put on cigarettes. Use very graphic terms of how law school is ruinous to your (financial) health.

    After this current craze of getting people to stop consuming sugary drinks, let's get the government to stop our kids from going to law schools.

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  9. Law schools like this are able to get suckers based off their high ranking. What the suckers don't know is that it is HYS or bust. Other than those 3 schools, you're taking a big fucking risk.

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  10. I'm not saying this is the case for all of the surplus bar exam passers, but Virginia probably has a large amount of people take multiple bars (D.C., Maryland) if they plan on practicing in the DC Metro area. So just because 1300 passed the bar, doesn't necessarily mean they will all be filling the openings.

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    1. Yep. Good math there. Those 1300 bar passers won't be filling the 900 openings.

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  11. It's astonishing how much W&M's tuition has increased within the last ten years. At one time it really was "a stellar legal education for a very competitive price," particularly compared to some of its peer private schools.

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  12. The lol schools see the writing on the wall. They're just trying to milk it for everything it's worth. Expect tuitions to jump up further with smaller class sizes.

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  13. Nice job, Nando, more trap schools needed to be exposed

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    1. When was that last time you actually made a payment?

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    2. Did you enroll in the automatic debit option?

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    1. If you are on ICR, then that is already a form of bankruptcy, so your problem has been solved. As for health insurance, just remember one word: OBAMACARE!!!!

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    2. Painter, just leave the US. Why not? Stop whining and move on with your life. Go and see the world. Enjoy whatever life you have left. In the US, you will not be able to do that.

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    3. They are looking for people for a one-way trip to Mars.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_One

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    1. Anyone who has a JD can get A government job. It might not be a job you like - and you clearly think you are "too good" to sweep hallways or clean bathrooms. Well you aren't. And LOL at how everyone has their hands out for free health insurance.

      It is a sick fucking joke that the taxpayers will only be able to withhold 15 percent of your Social Security money to pay down that same big-ass debt that you positively refuse to service today. In the coming years of fiscal austerity, though, there is at least a possibility that Congress will ratchet up that percentage. It should be 100 percent - it's not like you've been paying into Social Security or anything in the first place.

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  17. "BTW, the troll styles himself a Conservative and doesn't seem to like Obama either."

    Apparently you are still under the impression that there is only one person who replies to your comments.

    You didn't say anything about leaving the US or going to Mars.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_One

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  18. @10:37AM

    Are you giggling behind your hand or something? I did say about the former, and as to the other:

    I used to have a primary school teacher that claimed she had a ticket to go to the moon for real.

    That was in the 1970's.

    She died of old age and never used that ticket. I would imagine that the moon would be the first destination for a colony and before Mars, and so send a silly link along for that junket.

    Science fiction eventually becomes science fact, but one has to wonder why no one ever went to the moon again?

    Especially because I once read that the first moon landing had a computer system that had limited power equivalent to the ability to send one email today.

    Also, I remember looking at the night sky on a very clear night as a kid in the 1970's and every once in a while a satellite would be seen.

    Today there are lots and lots of satellites crossing the clear night sky.

    In addition, I also read something about the earth's orbit being full of high velocity human created space exploration debris and of all sizes that could possibly pierce the hull of any spaceship trying to leave the earth's orbit.

    Ain't science grand? We can't cure cancer or male pattern baldness yet, but the human race has arsenals that can blow up the world 100 times over and that news is about a half century old.

    And you seem preoccupied if not fanatically obsessed with going to live on Mars?

    True, there are dried up rivers there and Martians are living among us and have been for many years.

    For instance, Mr. Infinity is a Martian possibly.



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    1. What makes you think that they are not working on the moon as well?

      http://goldenspikecompany.com/

      Anyway, the reason that we didn't go back to the moon was mostly due to cost. Adjusted for inflation, the cost of the Apollo program was $125 billion in current dollars. The space shuttle consumed a lot of NASA's budget. The Vietnam war was also expensive at the time of the Apollo landings.

      The second part was that as Apollo 13 proved, it was dangerous. Interesting note that the procedure that caused the accident was supposed to happen on the return trip. If the plan had originally been followed, the astronauts would have walked on the moon, but never again on Earth.

      "Today there are lots and lots of satellites crossing the clear night sky."

      You probably don't realize how far apart they are. The minimum spacing for a geosynchronous satellite to avoid radio interference with each other on Earth surface is 90 miles.

      "In addition, I also read something about the earth's orbit being full of high velocity human created space exploration debris and of all sizes that could possibly pierce the hull of any spaceship trying to leave the earth's orbit."

      Still a low probability and the location of all that is radar mapped by NORAD.

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  19. @11:06

    "Anyone who has a JD can get A government job."

    Where is the source for that statement? Or just your opinion?

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    1. Experience. Common sense.

      I didn't SAY it'd be a job where the government pays you to do nothing all day.

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    1. What's with the GUITAR, man? Either of these would be a far better avatar for you:

      www.astrographics.com/GalleryPrintsIndex/GP2018.html

      i.imgur.com/JhCZYC9.jpg

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    2. Technically it is a Guitar and a Banjo.

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    3. Well 11:59AM, remember what they said about cockroaches on the TV series Heroes. Doesn't Painter look like the painter from Heroes?

      "Man is a narcissistic species by nature. We have colonized the four corners of our tiny planet. But we are not the pinnacle of so-called evolution. That honor belongs to the lowly cockroach. Capable of living for months without food. Remaining alive headless for weeks at a time. Resistant to radiation. If God has indeed created himself in his own image, then I submit to you that God is a cockroach. They say that man uses only a tenth of his brain power. Another percent, and we might actually be worthy of God's image. Unless, of course, that day has already arrived. The human genome project has discovered that tiny variations in man's genetic code are taking place at increasingly rapid rates. Teleportation, levitation, tissue regeneration. Is this outside the realm of possibility? Or is man entering a new gateway to evolution? Is he finally standing at the threshold to true human potential?"

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    4. Maybe the roach is able to survive so well because it mooches off of its parents?

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  21. Last year, someone viewed and commented on TTR from an IP address that led to this firm:

    http://www.cpmlegal.com/attorneys-Joseph-Cotchett.html

    The commenter is likely the World Traveling law Student/Epic Fail/Mr. Infinity

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    1. I'm pretty that Sallie Mae would "like to talk to you on the phone."

      Spending other peoples' money is the new American Dream. And by that measure, you are truly the Prince of America.

      Just change the avatar, already!

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    2. You mean he should change it to this one?

      http://guisadong-gulay.deviantart.com/art/Heroes-Isaac-Mendez-55248298

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    3. You latch your mandibles onto your mom's throat, and then you keep right on sucking until her entire face fucking COLLAPSES inward with a pathetic puff of dust and bone-dry skin.

      How exactly is that "heroic," Roachy? I really want to know.

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  23. http://www.jdunderground.com/admissions/thread.php?threadId=28050

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  24. https://www.calbarxap.com/applications/calbar/California_Bar_Moral_Character/

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  25. http://www.edison.com/ourcompany/eix.asp

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  26. Just read:


    http://www.regionalhispaniccc.org/about-us/board-of-directors/advisory-board/115-fernando-de-necochea

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  27. Here is a rich kid:

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/antonio-de-necochea/39/87a/4a6

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    1. I'm not that retard, you moron! LOL

      Answer the question: how is what you are doing "heroic?"

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  28. I always wanted to be a world traveler and learn Chinese like this guy:

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamkryder

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  29. anyone else tired of Painter arguing with this de Necochea piece of shit?

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    1. It looks like he got miffed, dropped dox on his little enemy (again), and finally took all his toys and went home. Funny, it's really no different than writing "Janey Rottencrotch SUCKS COCKS!" on the bathroom stall at a bus station.

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  30. Although I still somewhat sympathize with Mr. Koch, could you please Nando at least temporarily ban both him and this Anon/De Necochea dude? It is really beginning to detract from your message!

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    1. That cockroach positively refuses to even LOOK for a government job if the type of work involved is "beneath" him. He lives in his mommy's house, and he has childishly gone on "strike" - that is, the only way his debt is EVER gettng paid (or even reduced) is if the taxpayers give him a monster-size present - or perhaps a million-dollar "job" in some swank penthouse where he can goof off all day instead of working. He loooves him some treats from the money and free sugar-candy healthcare factory, but that whole "work" thing that usually goes with it is for the birds. Apparently.

      What the FUCK do you find "sympathetic" about that, Mr. 6:42?

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    2. Wait a minute. John has performed manual labor for years (along side legal and illegal immigrants from Latin America). The guy is over 40 and approaching 50. Who from the gubment is going to give him a job?

      The bankruptcy laws re: dischargeability of student loans were also changed after he graduated from law school. Now the guy lives in a debtors prison wo walls.

      So what is your man-crush about?

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    3. Man-crush? LOL, you seem to be the expert here - Paintroachie!

      I'm GLAD the bankruptcy laws were changed. Why should people be able to attend law school for three years and then IMMEDIATELY shitbag out of the loans they owe to the taxpayers and/or bank? Hmm? It's bad enough that the government LENDS money to students - you think it should GIVE the money to them instead? What the fuck do you think THAT would do to enrollment at the law schools you claim to hate so much??

      I seriously question both the quality and quantity of the "manual labor" you are harping on. Plenty of people make good livings painting houses - except when they are ultralazy goldbrickers who constantly try to shift THEIR share of the work onto the shoulders of those precious immigrants.

      The problem isn't the legal field - and it isn't the vagaries of the construction industry, either. The PROBLEM is that you are addicted to money and allergic to work! Duh!

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    4. I'm not 6:42, but consider.

      JD Painter is someone who should have been flunked at the end of his first year, according to his grades. He wasn't because the money of C-F students is just as good as the money of A-B students.

      Then he's currently in hock for $350,000 and spiraling out of any control. He might be suffering from debt induced psychosis.

      I think he illustrates certain parts of the scam. The heavy debt loads possible and the lack of standards of lower-tier law schools.

      I have no animus towards him, but can you do me a favor? if your Honour dictates that you *Must* refer to him as a roach, can you call him JD roach or the Touro cockroach or something similar? I think that it is useful information to note that Touro or his pursuit of a JD is what left him in this state.

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    5. Roachie was in that "state" a long time before he ever heard of Touro.

      Did "Touro" make him allergic to work? Did the JD by his name somehow warp his work ethic? In his 50s?

      Let's compromise: I'll refer to his behavior the way that *I* want, and you can choose whatever terms you think are best, too. Sound fair to you?

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  31. I have worked with and come to know many painters and laborers from the Mexican Panhandle. Many El Salvadorans live around my area, and further East on the Island there are many Guatamalans that work in the Hamptons and the Hondurans men that I worked with lived in Brooklyn and commuted out to the Island for work in the suburbs.

    But my loan debt has a long history and has changed hands so many times now.

    I am looking at a paper from 1999 which had a pay off amount of $92,945.83

    That was after consolidating about nine different loans with Nellie Mae under a program that was called the "Connect Student Loan consolidation program."

    Here were the interest rates on the different loans before consolidation in 1999:

    8.25%
    9.13%
    8.98%
    8.25%
    8.98%
    9.00%
    8.66%
    8.66%

    After all was consolidated in 1999 I had new payment plan at $1140.67 a month and an interest rate of 8.25%

    There was no Public Service Loan Forgiveness program in 1999 and that didn't come about until 10 years later.

    Also, there was no IBR until 10 years later.

    Anyway, the interest rate has always been around 8.25% and around 2001 or 2002 Sallie Mae started servicing my loan and then took it over a couple of years later or at least I know that Sallie Mae had it by 2004.

    And when I defaulted in 2009 the loan was bought up by Direct Loans and fifty thousand dollars of fees or rather collection costs were tacked on. Also the loan was split up into two loans of roughly equal amounts.

    And now, two years or so later My loans are once again with Sallie Mae.

    I just called the Dept. of Ed/Direct Loans and the automated system said that my loan has been paid in full and I have to ask: Who bought the loan? Sallie Mae?

    And my loan still has an 8.25% interest rate and over the life of the debt the interest rate has never been lower than that.

    But the statement from Sallie Mae says that the "Loan Program" is "DLSUBCONS" which must mean that Sallie Mae is a subcontractor that is now servicing the loan once again.

    This is all banking and finance and I doubt that Sallie Mae actually bought the loan back, but I have no understanding of how it all works. Does anybody? And the only one that I can think of that might understand would be someone like Alan Collinge.

    And on top of that I get the anon trolls and I just want to say that:

    Oh there once was a silly old banjo
    and it was baked in an apple pie.

    And when the pie was open the banjo began to play, and everyone said: "Have a nice day!"

    And what the hell? I took that guitar and banjo pic because when I play I have a guitar player that I play with.

    And over at OLSS there are some pretty horrible commenters as well as some decent contributors. But I don't want to read about Jesus getting his cock sucked in Vegas or Jesus on a bloody tampon, or really terrible comments about Professor Deborah Merritt or really awful remarks and pornographic poems about Maurice Leiter and so I am going to declare OLSS a flop and not worth reading and probably an embarrassment to Campos.

    And yes I would rather read Professor Merritt's Law School Café with whatever limitations that site has, because anything has to be better than the out of control commenting that is going on over at OLSS.

    I may or may not have used the word bathos correctly when describing OLSS BTW.






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    1. Holy shit! If your sorry-ass excuses were selling for a dollar apiece, you could pay off all your fucking loans this very instant ... and use what was left to go on another long vacation.

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  32. The trolls have a motive, and watch these blogs persistently.

    For example, when Campos ended his blog, here was one of the very first comments, and it might sound vaguely familiar to the trolling that is going on here:


    Anonymous February 27, 2013 at 7:05 AM

    "Dean O'Brien makes close to $1 million a year and has a connection to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

    Low ranked law school Deans and Professors across the country are raking in the money and publishing in influential newspapers.

    They won IBR, basically a guaranteed supply of free money for as long as they want it.

    You took them on in court, and they showed you why you are what you are, and they are what they are. You got your asses handed to you.

    Now the one blog you losers had to whine on anonymously is shutting down (not until Campos got his book deal and fame out of it).

    As I've told you before, this has nothing to do with law school. Law school is not responsible for your failures. You fail, because you're losers. You were losers in highschool, you were losers in college, you will be losers for the rest of your life. If there was no such thing as law school some other winners would have profited off you.

    You're just a bunch of dumb loser bitches. Accept it and shut the fuck up."







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    1. It's not really a question of you - Roachie - being a "loser." it's just that you are allergic to work. It's OKAY, dude: in the Age of Obama, that trait actually makes you a WINNER. Shoot, if you count all the manna from mama that you consume as your income, you probably "earn" ten times as much money as I do for one hour of work. It's just that you only work for like one hour per year.

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    2. P.S. That avatar. I imagine a GIANT roach head bursting through that thing, just like Porky Pig with the drum. Maybe you could locateBan animated gif to that effect?

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  33. @12:37AM

    I hope you are not planning on becoming a lawyer or are one now. Your trolling is really sadistic and cruel and full of lies.

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    1. Sounds like he has the personality to be a lawyer. Or a CEO. The fields seem to attract such people.

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    2. Sadistic lies? For calling him a winner? How very cruel.

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  34. How about this pic?

    And who calls a profile photo an "avatar" anyway?

    Someone that plays World of Warcraft a lot? And here are some world of warcraft avatars:

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://wwarcraft.s3.amazonaws.com/world-of-warcraft-avatars.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.banthar.com/en/world-of-warcraft/world-of-warcraft-avatars.html&h=324&w=576&sz=80&tbnid=WBuNWLW-lmf3mM:&tbnh=68&tbnw=120&zoom=1&usg=__WU0txETFTGzTyzcKw_LVkXy3KB4=&docid=uoTO-sLLWEXv8M&sa=X&ei=_DlYUdjRC6KW0QH81YHQDg&ved=0CFIQ9QEwAw&dur=3403

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    1. The roach avatar is PERFECT. Keep it!

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  35. During this thread, PresTTTige and Mr. Lollipop both mentioned the term "trap school," when describing describe this first tier toilet. Let's see if that definition applies to this diploma mill.

    http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2012/02/trap-schools.html

    On February 13, 2012, Paul Campos posted an ITLSS entry labeled "Trap schools." Take a look at this opening:

    Sports, and particularly college football, feature the concept of a "trap game." A trap game is one that, for a variety of factors, a team is more likely to end up losing than a superficial glance at the team's opponent would suggest (For instance, a classic trap game scenario involves a strong team playing a lightly regarded but actually pretty good opponent on the road the week before a clash with a powerful traditional rival).

    In honor of Wednesday's nine-month NALP reporting deadline, I'd like to introduce the concept of a trap school. A trap school has the following characteristics:

    (1) It's expensive to attend.

    (2) It's located in what the sort of people who go to law school tend to consider a desirable place to live (obviously these first two factors are related).

    (3) It has superficially attractive employment and salary statistics.

    A trap school, in other words, is the kind of place that attracts the kind of highly-qualified, reasonably prudent 0Ls who would never consider attending the vast majority of law schools at anything like sticker price, and yet still ends up generating a very high risk of financial and personal disaster for its students.”

    First, full-time tuition and fees for in-state students is $27,800 - while their non-resident counterparts will be ass-raped at the rate of $37,800. In a sick way, these charges are “competitive.” Furthermore, the average law student indebtedness figure for the William & Mary JD Class of 2012 stood at $94,842. Most ABA-accredited diploma factories produce graduates with higher student debt loads. However, this is still an expensive gamble.

    Regarding the second point, the sewer of law is located in Williamsburg, Virginia. It appears to be a sleepy community, with colonial homes and some historical significance. Boring-ass law students would likely find it attractive.

    Lastly, the commode published an employment “placement” rate of 94.6 percent, for its Class of 2012. Of course, the pigs hired 41 graduates from this cohort. Otherwise, only 74.5% of that particular class would have been employed within nine months of graduation. That figure has been artificially enhanced, by more than 20 percent - by this ranking maintenance policy.

    In sum, William & Mary Law Sewer is CLEARLY a trap school. It is currently rated as the 33rd best in the land. Many of the students enrolled at the first tier waste site would not have considered most ABA toilets, due to their reputation and ranking. Plus, it is located in a state with a large attorney glut. In the end, a significant portion of these students will be in a similar situation with students at third tier commodes and fourth tier trash pits.

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    1. Hi, Nando, on a side note, W&M's 2012 employment statistics shows that only 19.3% of its employed graduates got a position in a 100+ law firm or as federal clerk(this is my calculation). I think most "legit" trap schools are still able to pull out around 25%~35% graduates into those positions combined.

      Therefore, W&M is probably more like a TTT within the trap school ranks.

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  36. Nando, please ban both Mr. Infinity/WTLS/LawSchoolFail and JDPainterGuy.

    They bring absolutely nothing to the table.

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    1. I concur. Godspeed for now Mr. Koch!

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  37. I am afraid that banning Mr. Infinity is impossible.

    As for me, I am gone from TTR and I forgive the anon troll even though he seems to command me from posting comments.

    Happy Easter and Passover Season.

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    1. Don't worry about Antonio the miserable cocksucker; if I ever go to his city I will gut him with a spoon.

      [the Sheriff has said he'll cut out Robin Hood's heart with a spoon]

      Guy of Gisborne: Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?

      Sheriff of Nottingham: Because it's DULL, you twit. It'll hurt more.

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    2. "Gone." You aren't going to stop posting. We've all heard these promises from you over and over again.

      At this point, do you even THINK you are telling the truth? I doubt it.

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  38. I'd pay a pretty penny to see Johnny smash Antonio over the fucking head with a banjo.

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    1. Make that two of us.

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  39. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_College_of_William_%26_Mary_Law_School

    If one take a look of the W&M law school's almuni, you can see it is not impressive at all, despite it's name and history. A few district judges this and there. And that's about it, no one in the Appellate courts or anything better.

    Heck, even W&M College as whole produce very few famous alumni in past few decades. All the school boasted are Thomas Jefferson, John Marshall, and those signers of DoI yadayada....If you bother to read their impressive alumni list, most of those names belong to 18th or 19th century, with a few names from 20th century scatter around.

    It seems like this school is a former shadow of itself.


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  40. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_%26_Mary_School_of_Law#Notable_alumni

    Eric Cantor earned his JD from this public sewage pit, in 2008. This sewer rat has managed to worm his way up to a “leadership” position in Congre$$. It’s amazing what you can “accomplish” when you have no guiding principles or integrity, huh?!

    You will also notice that mental midget Michele Bachmann received an LLM from this commode, in 1988. As Mr. Lollipop noted, this school’s recent “notable” alumni are not impressive.

    http://doylez.com/2011/08/michele-bachmann-loves-the-hot-dog/

    Here is a picture of the political whore swallowing a gigantic-ass corn dog, at the 2011 Iowa State Fair. You can tell from that photograph that she is a professional. I’m sure that this skill comes in extremely handy, when she is begging for campaign cash from corporate pigs and stupid rednecks.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michele_Bachmann#Early_life.2C_education.2C_and_early_career

    “In 1979, Bachmann was a member of the first class of the O. W. Coburn School of Law, then a part of Oral Roberts University (ORU). While there, Bachmann studied with John Eidsmoe, whom she described in 2011 as "one of the professors who had a great influence on me". Bachmann worked as a research assistant on Eidsmoe's 1987 book Christianity and the Constitution, which argues that the United States was founded as a Christian theocracy, and should become one again. In 1986 Bachmann received a J.D. degree from Oral Roberts University. She was a member of the final graduating class of the law school at ORU, and was part of a group of faculty, staff, and students who moved the ORU law school library to what is now Regent University.”

    Looking at the state fair image cited above, it is fitting that this tool graduated from the long-defunct law sewer at Oral Roberts “University.” The school opened in 1979, but closed its doors in 1985. Of course, the bitches and hags simply “donated” their law library to CBN University – which then became RegenTTTT Univer$iTTTTy. Bigot Gordon Marion “Pat” Robertson founded the Christian Broadcasting Network, before acquiring the “university.”

    http://www.regent.edu/about_us/overview/history.cfm

    If you can stomach profound idiocy, take a look at the history of Regent. As you can see, the school name remained CBN University, until 1990.

    Apparently, William & Mary Law Sewer has produced some pathetic demagogues. Yes, that must add several layers of “prestige” to the university’s name, right?!?!

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  41. How many children has WTLS fondled in the last few years?

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  42. It's like I thought:

    Obama's big altruistic Liberal gesture in having the Federal Gov't take over the handling of Student Loan business has probably proved to be not practical or efficient.

    Direct Loans/William D. Ford most likely doesn't have the administrative infrastructure/ capacity to service all the federal loans and so the federal government is now turning back to privately owned Sallie Mae as a subcontractor for the handling and clerical work. (Which is practical actually)

    My guess is that that is because Sallie Mae is highly specialized in what they do, and the only company with experience enough to handle the job.

    But when I called Sallie Mae all they had as far as contact info for me were two very old addresses and two old phone numbers and so me and Sallie updated all my contact info together.

    I spoke with a nice young kid working in customer service and I am sure she is very happy for the job.

    And that is what I mean when I quote Robert Penn Warren about the good coming out of the bad, and the bad coming out of the good in history: The nice young woman working in customer service is probably very grateful for her job with Sallie Mae along with a lot of other Sallie Mae employees.

    Oh and this is my last post because this post brought nothing to the table at all.




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    1. If their "contact address" for you is anything other than your parents' house, it is very old indeed.

      "AMERICA IS A FAILED NATION! I KNOW THIS BECAUSE OBAMMY HASN'T GIVEN ME "MY" 500,000 DOLLARS YET! WHAT FURTHER PROOF DO WE NEED?!"

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  43. It's not a trap school so much as its a crap school.

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  44. The pigs have one hell of a balancing act on their hands. They need to fill the seats, so that requires lowering standards, but they need to keep the bar passage rate high enough to attract more suckers, and that requires having students at your law school who have a shot at passing the bar.

    The fact of the matter is we aren't all created equal. Not everyone can be an eye surgeon, and not everyone can be a lawyer. Law school became the go-to for every liberal arts graduate who didn't know what they wanted to do with their life. And now we're paying for it.

    The TTT I went to produced some very smart and EMPLOYED lawyers (mainly the top 10% of the class). But a shit load of kids had no business in law school. They were't professionally-minded, motivated, or interested in the legal profession. They were frat kids who viewed it as a 3 year extension of undergrad. They made their own bed.

    But they were young and when you're young you are suppose to have parents, faculty advisors, and guidance/career counselors whose JOB it is to assist you in making good life choices. These fuckers at these law schools don't give a shit if you are some immature loser who has very poor prospects of being a successful attorney. They're still riding the almost-dead myth that a law degree is a ticket to wealth that your dumb ass is still believing. They look at you and just see dollar signs, nothing more.

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    1. "They look at you and just see dollar signs, nothing more."

      Indeed. When I went to my associate dean asking to switch sections (I was in the loaded scholly section), she told me every group was made equally, and that I'd do great despite being in the bottom 10% of the class after first semester.

      She looked me right in the eyes and lied with a straight face. She didn't care that I'd be ruined if I listened to her. All she was thinking about was the landscaping she'd get done on her McMansion with my tuition $$$.

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  45. Most of people in LS I went to (who finished top 10% and ended up in big law) had no business being in business, leadership, or management roles. They were very good at answering exam questions. Today, as a business exec, I wouldn't hire any one of them (if we were considering changing counsel).

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  46. Take a look at the following 2011 bloated salaries, for the law school pigs at William & Mary Sewer of Law. These figures were provided by Collegiate Times:

    http://www.collegiatetimes.com/databases/salaries/william-and-mary-2011?dept=law

    “Name Postiion Department Salary

    Davison M. Douglas, Dean/professor, School Of Law, $280,000

    Paul Marcus, Hugh & Nolie Haynes Professor, School Of Law, $245,000

    William W. Van Alstyne, Lee Professor, School Of Law, $242,700

    Neal E. Devins, Goodrich Prof & Dir Inst B/r, School Of Law, $208,000

    Lynda L. Butler, Professor, School Of Law, $202,500

    Peter A. Alces, Rollins Professor, School Of Law, $198,200

    Eric Kades, Vice Dean And Professor, School Of Law, $191,900

    Charles H. Koch, Dudley W. Woodbridge Professor, School Of Law, $187,400

    Jayne W. Barnard, Cutler Professor, School Of Law, $185,000

    Fredric I. Lederer, Chancellor Prof/courtroom 21, School Of Law, $184,400

    Linda A. Malone, Mw Law School Fdn Professor, School Of Law, $181,100

    Alan J. Meese, Ball Professor, School Of Law, $178,500

    James S. Heller, Dir Law Library/professor, Law Library, $177,000

    Lan Cao, Boyd Fellow Professor, School Of Law, $175,400”

    Isn’t it nice to see that the taxpayers and students are being FINANCIALLY RAPED so that the “director” of the law library can rake in $177K per year?!?! You don't hear the ball-less troll complaining about the waste of public funds on these overpaid, under-worked "educators." In the end, the academic thieves/sociopaths do not give one damn about their pupils – other than as a means to an end.

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  47. It's disgusting. They probably work 150 calendar days/year and they make that kind of money. I remember one time I passed this adminstrative section of the law school to see the associate dean for academic affairs sitting in some bean bag chair gossiping with this other fat bitch who was some secretary or bullshit director for student records in the middle of the day. they do nothing.

    Law school is a jobs program. It's a way for these people to have a reason to get up in the morning, wear their nice little suits, and pontificate about things of no importance in the real world.

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  48. As someone who recommended this to Nando quite some time ago. I know 1 guy who has a favorable outcome (100k Midlaw), but other than that, if you are not top 10% and connected, you are out of luck. Period.

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