Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Wash Your Hands Profusely: First Tier Toilet Washington and Lee University School of Law


http://law.wlu.edu/admissions/page.asp?pageid=1126

Tuition: For the 2013-2014 school year, full-time tuition at Wa$ington and Lee Univer$ity $chool of Law will reach $43,570. Fees - including those for technology, health and SBA – will add another $1,137 to the big-ass tab. Isn’t it great to see that these “educators” are looking out for the students?!?!

Estimated, Total Cost of Attendance: According to this same document, books and supplies will set back students a projected $2,500, for the same academic year. Plus, living expenses are listed as $14,643. Loan fees will run up to $1,300. As such, the school has furnished a total COA of $63,150, for 2013-2014.

Since ABA-accredited diploma mills only count nine-month living expenses – as opposed to the full calendar year – I need to pro-rate living costs. Doing so, we reach an estimate of $19,524. This provides us with a more accurate, total COA of $68,031 for the upcoming year. Who doesn’t have that type of money for one year of “legal education”?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+2

Ranking: Bob Morse has rated Washington and Lee University Sewer of Law as the 26th best and most spectacular law school in the land. It shares this designation with the University of Iowa Commode of Law.  Yes, this is truly exclusive company.

http://law.wlu.edu/admissions/ninemonthdata.asp

Pathetic Employment Placement Rate: Take a look at the chart documenting the employment data for the Washington and Lee JD Class of 2012. Based on this source, only 95 graduates – out of a total of 130 members - from this cohort were employed within nine months of graduation. This represents a “placement” rate of 73.1 percent!

In fact, the 95 “employed” grads include those who are seeking an advanced degree. According to this chart, there are 6 JDs from this class who are pursuing graduate studies. With this info, the placement rate would drop down to 68.4 percent. Keep the following in mind: (a) this trash pit is ranked as the 26th best law school in the United States; (b) tuition will hit $43,570 next year; and (c) employment counts non-legal work, part-time positions and two posts that were wholly or partially funded by the law school.

Under Employment Types, you will note that only 33 grads reported working in law firms. Yes, what a “prestigious” institution, huh?!?! Furthermore, of the 18 JDs who landed clerkships, fully 12 of them were placed in the state and local systems. Regarding income, head down to the subheading Full-time Salaries of Employed Graduates 9 Months After Graduation. Fully 70 grads responded with their income. The overall mean starting salary is listed as $68,220 – with a $70,000 figure landing one in the 75th percentile.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+4

Average Law Student Indebtedness: US “News” lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Wa$hington and Lee JD Class of 2012 who incurred debt for law school - as $111,825. Hell, 88 percent of this commode’s unfortunate 2012 class took on such toxic debt. Remember, this figure does not include undergraduate debt. It also does not take accrued interest into account. 

http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2011/540/505/2011-540505977-08364cf5-9.pdf

Administrator and Faculty Salary Info: Let’s head to the 2011 Form 990, for Employer ID No. 54-0505977, i.e. Washington and Lee University. Scroll down to the very last page of this document, if you want to see how well the pigs, cockroaches, economic rapists, and pieces of trash are doing – in relation to their debt-strapped graduates. The following figures represent TOTAL COMPENSATION, for the tax year ending June 30, 2011.

Mark Grunewald, then-dean of the law sewer, received $288,332. The bald-headed rat made $254,654 in reportable compensation, in addition to $33,678 in “estimated amount of other compensation from the organization and related organizations. Timohty Jost, the Robert L. Willett Family “professor of law,” raked in $324,467; David Millon, who has written about corporate social responsibility, “earned” $304,052; James Moliterno, a supposed expert in “international legal ethics” and “legal education” reform, made $289,377; and Scott Sundby, who no longer teaches at the trash pit, received $319,590. You can tell that these “educators” truly put their students first.

Conclusion: These academic parasites do not give one damn about you, the student or recent graduate. To them, you are nothing but a means to an end. The pigs simply need asses in seats, in order to get paid. If the bastards and hags need to inflate their numbers or name brand, in order to increase applications and enrollment, then they will do so. After all, the swine are operating publicly-supported businesses!!

In the end, you will not be served well by incurring an additional $125-170K+ in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a law degree from the 26th greatest school in the country. The Virginia and DC legal markets are flooded, which is the case with most areas of the U.S. Look at the employment placement rate, for the Class of 2012. If this toilet is only good enough for 64.6% of its most recent graduating class to find work - of any kind - within nine months of graduation, then that should tell you volumes about the nature of this GLUTTED, shrinking “profession.”

68 comments:

  1. I'm going to beat both dullards to the punch.

    "Paintroach! Roachie, stop mooching off your parents. Kill yourself."

    "I'm gonna call the police!"

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    1. ^ Haha - you nailed it, dude.

      Now tell him to at least LOOK for a government job.

      - The Dullard

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    2. Those two should form a comedy routine.

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    3. According to this, there may be some hope for painter yet.

      http://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/ibr-makes-contact-with-the-bankruptcy-code/

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  2. A litter box to describe a law school. Is this a first on the blog?

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  3. Sorry but you didn't do your due diligence on this one. Its much worse than you depicted. It is first tier in us news but third tier in job placement. http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2013/04/a-cleaner-ranking-of-schools-long-term-full-time-employment-minus-law-school-funded-jobs.html#comments 135th 49.23% in 2012 aba employment report. below touro, faulkner, gonzaga, liberty. Let me repeat that it is worse than Liberty in job placement. It's dean left hofstra in a mess. In her last year hofstra went from 89 to 113 in us news. also job placement is a mess at hofstra 124 51.24%.

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  4. W&L - a finishing school for the children of southern rich white racists who never forgot that they lost the civil war.

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  5. Nando

    Does Cryn prefer to be on top or the bottom?

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    1. She seems kind of aggressive, so I assume the top.

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    2. Is that why she lost all that weight? How considerate of her.

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    3. She prefers doggy.

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    4. I heard she prefer to be hog tied while men in business suits rub their dicks against her big barefeet while reading from Voltaire.

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    5. @12:26 PM

      What humanities major doesn't?

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  6. I was at Hofstra during Demleitner's "reign". She was completely unresponsive to student needs. I never met a less empathetic person in my life. At that time Hofstra was giving the students the scholarship bait and switch,where they would lure in unsuspecting students with scholarships then take them away after the first year.

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  7. Nora Demleiter is a hypocrite. She claims to be a liberal democratic [see Wikipedia] Liberal democrats are supposed to care about the poor and downtrodden. Yet at Hofstra Demleitner [like many other law deans] lured in hundreds of students knowing they would graduate with huge debts and poor job prospects. Even worse Hofstra gave merit scholarships to students with high gpa's and lsat scores [those who had life's advantages to begin with]using the tuition money of poor students who had no scholarships and poor job prospects. She took from the poor and gave to the rich and made the poor poorer, all in the name of raising Hofstra's rank in u.s. news.

    Liberal Democrat Nora Demleitner did not care at all about the poor students at Hofstra. All she cared about was her high salary and how she could use Hofstra to move up. She accomplished the latter by becoming dean at W & L but she left Hofstra in shambles.

    Many of Demleitner's former students will never get out of debt. They will never be able to buy a house or a raise a family. How long will the ABA or the government wait to stop the Demleitners of this world?

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  8. Bahahhhahahahah... three years of law skool and you don't know the ABA is Demleitner & Co. Bahhahahahahahah

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  9. I don't know how the law school admins and profs live with themselves. Seriously, they must be totally without any values system, ethics, or morals. How could you in good conscience prey on unassuming 22 years olds who have a professional dream and strap them with lifelong debt just for your own economic gain? You're literally making money off of ruining lives.

    They truly must be evil, there's no other explanation.

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  10. After listening to the guy complain about Hofstra, it seems like Hofstra must be a piece of shit law school.

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  11. I find it really galling that graduates pursuing other advanced degrees are counted as "employed." I wonder whether someone who goes to message therapy school or one of the "technical institutes" advertised during the Jerry Springer show would be so counted?

    As for the photo: What were they feeding those cats? My cats' box never looked like that!

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  12. I just saw on the news that a fertilizer factory blew up and I first thought it was a toxic dump law school that blew up after a fat cat Dean lit a cigar and by accident the fumes caused a chain reaction.

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  13. http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/washington-and-lee-university-03163

    Here is the USN&WR entry for 26th ranked Washington and Lee University Sewer of Law. Take a look at the following numbers:

    “Careers

    Employed at graduation: 27.9%

    Median private sector starting salary: $83,000

    Median public service starting salary: $55,000”

    Yes, you read that correctly. Less than 28 percent of this commode’s 2012 graduating class found employment – of any kind – when they received their law degrees. This includes the students who had jobs lined up before going to law school. It also counts those who simply returned to their prior industry. What a tremendous “accomplishment,” huh?!?!

    Regarding salaries, these fortunate grads are still screwed – when you take their immense student debt into account.

    http://www.bankrate.com/finance/college-finance/payback-3-tips-to-manage-student-loans-1.aspx

    On May 2, 2011, bankrate.com published Marilyn Kennedy Melia’s piece “3 tips to limit student loan debt.” Look at this general rule:

    “Tip No. 1: Your debt should relate to future pay

    It's Common Sense 101, but somehow it eluded us. You must be able to make your student loan payments out of your post-college paycheck.

    "Total education debt at graduation should be less than the expected (annual) starting salary," says Mark Kantrowitz, publisher of Fastweb.com and FinAid.org.”

    Try repaying $150K-$200K in total, NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt while earning $55K – or even $83K – per year. Remember, the $111,825 figure listed by US “News” does not include undergrad debt; it also does not include interest that accrues on the loans, while the student is enrolled in law school. Now, think about achieving homeownership or starting a family, with such toxic student loan totals.

    http://www.elsblog.org/the_empirical_legal_studi/2009/06/the-end-of-an-era-the-bimodal-distribution-for-the-class-of-2008.html

    By the way, William Henderson published a bi-modal distribution of starting salaries, for the JD Class of 2008. The piece appeared in Empirical Legal Studies, on June 29, 2009, under the headline “The End of an Era: the Bi-Modal Distribution for the Class of 2008.” The central point: if you are not making $160K per year, then you are more than likely earning $35K-$55K annually.

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  14. I use to find these posts interesting. They are all the same. Law schools charge to much, not enough debt, capitalize NON-DISCHARGEABLE DEBT etc. etc. etc. This doesn’t really help someone make an informed decision… You could just list every law school then write three or four sentences saying that the system sucks and be at where you are now. Insert various pictures of feces to add to it.

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    1. Here's a solution for your problem. Don't bother reading the blog any more. Sounds simple enough, doesn't it?

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  15. Why do people keep going to law school? Are they just stupid and they don't do their own research? Or do they consciously disregard the media and information like this site presents to them all the time thinking they'll beat the odds (which makes them even more stupid)? I can't think of any logical person taking on $100k debt unless they weren't aware that they were being scammed. I'm sure if Madoff's victims knew what was going on before his exposure they would have pulled their money or chose not to invest in the first place. So either law students are truly retards and drink the kool aide or they are aware of the risks and take it anyway. Either way it speaks volumes about the stupidity of our generation.

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  16. to stop reading this blog would seem backwards to what the purpose of this blog is about. If everyone on here just agrees with the blog writer than this blog fails to serve a purpose of 'informing' the masses.

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  17. Nando,

    How can a school be first tier overall but third or fourth tier in job placement? Isn't job placement a major part of US News? Are there are other first tier law schools like this? Is someone cooking the books at W & L?

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  18. Law is a dying field, boys and girls. Last week I picked up my girlfriend's younger sister from her pedicure appointment. She didn't want to chance ruining her nails by driving home. Anyway, the nail place was located in a shitty little strip mall. The place next to it was a nickle arcade. There was also a Dominoes pizza and a Subway. With a shitlaw office sandwiched in between. And on the corner of this 'plaza' was located another shitlaw office. The building was nondescript. I drive by that all the time and it was the first time I noticed both law offices. That's what this profession has come to.

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    1. That's nothing new, there were shit lawyers in shitty quarters in England before they even shipped a bunch of rejects over here to start America. What I find more indicative of the sinking of the profession is that you spent your time picking up your girlfriend's little sister from a shitty nail salon. What, she couldn't take the bus?

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  19. W&L is 12th in the country in clerkship placement, according to these rankings (better than UChicago):

    http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2013/04/11/which-law-schools-grads-get-the-most-judicial-clerkships

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    1. Congratulations on your 12th place clerkship placement rate. You must be very proud. Meanwhile your overall placement rate is below Touro, Faulkner, and Liberty. Are you proud of this too?

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  20. @ 10:48 am,

    That list is deceptive, because it bases the clerkship placement figures on the employed segment of a school's 2011 graduating class.

    Pussy Bob Morse published a USN&WR piece on April 11, 2013, under the header “Which Law Schools’ Grads Get the Most Judicial Clerkships?” The cockroach provided a separate list for federal and state/local judicial placements.

    Notice the following verbiage, contained within the graph: “Percent of 2011 employed J.D. grads with federal judicial clerkships.” The chart also lists similar wording, with regard to state and local positions. Do you understand the implications?

    http://law.wlu.edu/admissions/ninemonthdata.asp

    I have already run the numbers, but feel free to verify my math. Again, I am referring to the figures listed on the document labeled “Washington and Lee University School of Law Employment Data 9 Months After Graduation.” This chart lists employment placement statistics for the following law classes: 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012.

    According to this page, the Washington and Lee JD Class of 2011 had 129 graduates. Of this figure, 116 were “employed or seeking advanced degree.” However, you will see that three members of this cohort were pursuing a graduate degree.

    Under Employment Types of Employed Graduates 9 Months After Graduation, you will note that 23 members of the Class of 2011 landed clerkship posts. Eleven grads were placed in federal spots, while 12 were placed in state or local courts.

    Here are the numbers I ran, which correlate to Morse’s findings:

    Percentage of employed grads in federal clerkships: 9.7 percent, i.e. 11/113
    Percentage of employed grads in state or local posts: 10.6 percent, i.e. 12/113
    Overall percentage of employed JDs in clerkships: 20.35 percent, i.e. 23/113

    IF the numbers were BASED ON THE ENTIRE GRADUATING CLASS, these would be the figures for Wa$hington and Lee Univer$ity Sewer of Law:

    Percentage of grads in federal clerkships: 8.5 percent, i.e. 11/129
    Percentage of grads in state or local posts: 9.3 percent, i.e. 12/129
    Overall percentage of JDs in clerkships: 17.8 percent, i.e. 23/129

    In sum, if a school has a low overall nine-month "placement" rate, it could still appear on Morse's list - as long as the percentage of clerks is high in comparison to the amount of employed graduates. This figure is not based on the entire JD class, from a particular school.

    Furthermore, schools with smaller graduating class sizes can benefit greatly under Morse’s idiotic, deceptive metric. Keep in mind that Washington and Lee University Sewer of Law only had 129 total JDs, in its Class of 2011. Seeing that 87.5% of the commode’s 2011 graduating class was employed within nine months of graduation, you can see how Bob Morse is furnishing false data. If the bitch was interested in providing accurate numbers, then he would base his results on the entire class size.

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  21. What about the effect this is having on minority students? These liberal deans say that they want to help minorities but they are making minorities even poorer. The minorities come from poor backgrounds without the advantages of most whites and asians. They end up getting the low lsat scores so they don't get the scholarships. They end up supporting the rich whites and asians. They end up with big debts and low paying jobs. Liberal deans are super hypocrites.

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    1. Professors are faux liberals. They wax poetic about helping the disenfranchised, the poor, the needy, indigenous peoples, yada yada. They don't give a shit about those people.

      These are the same Boomer cocksuckers who railed against the man in the 60s and 70s. That might've had more (e.g. everything) to do with making sure they didn't get drafted and get sent out to Viet Nam. I'm convinced the main reason you see so many so-called liberal profs come out in high profile death penalty cases is that it gets their name out there. I mean does it make sense to anyone why some rich professor asshole would give a fuck about some broke black dude on death row for shooting an old white cunt for $20? He's doing in for the publicity. He's got to show that he's doing something useful with his scholarship and expertise. You gotta justify your paycheck some way.

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  22. Nando at 12:04 -- TL/DR version -- I understand your rather longwinded point, but it does not make much difference in this instance. You are quibbling, based on Morse's metholodology, over whether the correct percentage of clerkships at W&L is 20% or 18%. Let's go with your 18%. That is still one of the highest in the country.

    12:49 -- If you are a prospective student, you should go to Liberty or Touro then if you are persuaded by those numbers. I assume you want to open a solo practice, because that is much of what their numbers consist of. You may also want to look at those schools' reported median salaries -- if you can find them.

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    1. No i'm not saying that students should go to Liberty or Touro. I'm saying that W & L's overall placement rate is worse than Touro, or Liberty or Faulkner.

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  23. What's so grand about state clerkships? I know people from shitty law schools that landed those. Clerking in county court or traffic court doesn't do shit for one's job prospects.

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  24. 2:44 -- I had not heard of Faulkner before, but looking at their numbers on LST: 41% employment score, 1% federal clerkship rate, 1% large firm score: I don't see anything that is higher that W&L, as you are arguing. Same with Liberty.

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    1. Look at the class of 2012 ABA employment report (http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2013/04/a-cleaner-ranking-of-schools-long-term-full-time-employment-minus-law-school-funded-jobs.html#more) W & L is 135th 49.23%. Faulkner is 133rd 50%. Liberty 128 51.11% Touro 131 50.82% Regent 125 51%. W & L has the worst job placement rate of any law school in Virginia in 2012, except for Appalacian.

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    2. Don't expect the W & L shill to look at that report. He's only interested in puffing up his shitty law school.

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  25. Washington and Lee is a shitty law school. And it's located in Virginia. Surely many of these dummies went here 'cause they thought they were gonna practice corporate law or work for a DC agency.

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  26. No matter how you look at it Washington and Lee has terrible job placement for a first tier law school.

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  27. The legal profession is all about who you know. Unless you go to a top 10 school you get jobs through family/friend connections. I got my first firm job purely because of family contacts. Same goes with clerkships. So unless you are set up like that it's a huge gamble.

    And it's a miserable profession to boot. You spend 10 hours a day in an office billing clients and chasing them around to pay. We had a client who we billed ten thousand dollars and we barely got 2 grand out of him. The personal lives of everyone at the firm are in shambles- divorces, separations, etc.

    I once tried to convince my friend NOT to become a civil servant and to follow me to law school. He's at peace in life working his normal work day wit holidays off, guaranteed salary, and a happy marriage. I'm a bitter, miserable cunt of a lawyer who will slave
    away in an office forever.

    Avoid law school.

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  28. To the willfully ignorant ass-clown from 2:05 pm,

    Here is a shorter version, for your benefit. Perhaps, your pathetic attention span and reading comprehension skills will allow you to absorb this info.

    We will now look at the Washington and Lee University Sewer of Law Class of 2012. There were 130 graduates, from this cohort. Of that amount, only 89 were employed within nine months of receiving their JDs. Since Bob Morse based his 2011 figures off of "employed" graduates, here is how the Class of 2012 results would be calculated by the rat:

    Percentage of employed grads in federal clerkships: 6.7 percent, i.e. 6/89
    Percentage of employed grads in state or local posts: 13.5 percent, i.e. 12/89
    Overall percentage of employed JDs in clerkships: 20.2 percent, i.e. 18/89

    Notice that the overall number would not differ much, from the 2011 figure of 20.35 percent – even though the OVERALL employment placement rate was MUCH LOWER for the Class of 2012. Do…you…understand…that?!?! Or do you need me to draw you a big-ass diagram on posterboard with Crayola markers?!

    Here is how the numbers would look, for the Washington and Lee JD Class of 2012, if Morse bothered to use the entire graduating class – and not merely those who were employed at the nine month mark:

    Percentage of class in federal clerkships: 4.6 percent, i.e. 6/130
    Percentage of class in state or local posts: 9.2 percent, i.e. 12/130
    Overall percentage of class in clerkships: 13.8 percent, i.e. 18/130

    In the end, if you cannot be bothered to read comprehensive, factual information – because it is too lengthy, in your little opinion – then you cannot be taken seriously as a person. If you want to become a lawyer, reading comes in handy, Bitch.

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    1. 2:05 got a facial!

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    2. 2:05 was probably Antonio de Neco-Wafer. If so, the reply to this message will be about poop-sculpting.

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  29. How can a school be ranked 26th when it has such lousy job outcomes? I mean, there are TTTs and TTTTs out there that have better job numbers.

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    1. An excellent question. Someone needs to take a closer look at W & L's submissions to The ABA and us news. of course the aba wont do this because they are afraid they might find something.

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  30. With the high cost of attendance of over 63K a year and the poor employment outcomes, it should be named Ben Dover School of Law.

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  31. A few thoughts on the Washington and Lee 3L "Practicum" Program-- which has elicited gushy praise from legal academics and utter disregard from actual legal employers:

    http://outsidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2013/04/practicum-ly-useless-washington-and-lee.html

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  32. Mr. Infinity touches small children.

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    1. WTLS/de Neco-Wafer is too smart for that; he just fucks his own dog.

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  33. Law school is a scam. The only people saying it's a good investment are the fucking scamming professors. And lying dumbshits.

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  34. If we want to talk about ugly realities and scams, let's turn the finger and point at our own families and pathetic lives. Let's mourn the decades we spent studying because ”education opens doors.” My parents came to America without even the money to go back home if they failed. Which, in my opinion, they did. Because they put a lifetime of pressure on their children to earn grades that would magically turn into enough money to pay for for the health insurance, home, and social security that they could not earn for themselves. (While not being able to help out with a single introduction or networking connection). I don't think law schools are intentionally scamming students, I think that they eagerly open their doors to paying customers, not realizing how below-par these customers are in terms of financial resources and connections. It's embarrassing how ill-equipped, overextended, and desperate we overeducated poor are. The ”scam” was perpetrated by our own parents and all those elementary, middle, and high school teachers who kept us chained to books and desks and homework, and promised us future riches and freedom as a reward.

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  35. The reality is that the law school model is a duplicate of the undergraduate model. Instead of restricting the amount of colleges (and law schools) the pigs realized that they could monetize and so they expanded the amount of colleges and law schools. It was purely for economic gain on their end. They couldn't care less about us. As we speak there are hedgefunds attempting to open for-profit colleges and law schools. Hell, out esteemed governor here in NJ used to be a lobbyist for University of Phoenix in Trenton and got them accredited by the state.

    It used to be if you didn't get in to the established colleges and law schools, you didn't go. It was almost like society's way out weeding the less intelligent and passing them over for college. It was good though because it made people honestly assess who they were and their true abilities.

    But today that's all gone. All you need is a pulse to get into college or law school. But the disconnect lies when you graduate. Because while you may have been patted on the head by your parents and teachers, employers in the real world aren't going to waste one second dealing with you.

    The amount of colleges and law schools were expanded to feed the appetite of baby boomer parents and their idiot kids who had "you are special. you are smart. you are going to college" drilled into their heads since they were kids. Our own fantasies and delusions were all the pigs needed. The truth isn't we all aren't the same. We all aren't equal. But instead of recognizing that reality, we'd rather not hurt little Timmy's feelings. He can be a lawyer too!

    So while some people only get conned with an undergrad loan. There is a phase 2 to the scam: law school.

    In the end, no one makes you take out the loan. Your delusions of granduer have proven fatal.

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  36. Blame the bleeding heart liberals who weep over poor people and devote their lives to trying to make poor people more like them, but only in the ways they choose. They're the ones who forced the conservatives to let in under qualified students and loan them more money than their families would earn in their lifetime. The conservatives just shrugged and made their money.

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  37. thanks for share..

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  38. Dean Nora Demleitner does not relate well to people of color especially African-American men.

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  39. From Above the Law comments. "If I were an alum of W&L (I perish the thought), I would withhold any financial donations to the school and hold the steering committee responsible for hiring Dean Nora Demleitner. A cursory review of the interwebs reveals that Ms. Demleitner left Hofstra Law School in a worse condition than when she first ascended to the deanship position. The latest rankings conclusively demonstrate that Ms. Demleitner has had a "carrion virus" effect on W&L. Hofstra is a horrendously ranked commode. Did the W&L steering committee really believe she would thrust W&L into prominence after her subpar performance as Hofstra's steward?

    W&L students and alums should be calling for her ouster. If you are a 1L, I would consider transferring out of that sinking ship. If I were an 0L (L as in lemming), I would consider attending another school. If you are hung up on attending Washington Law School, there are several campuses bearing the same name* spread across the nation. The 2Ls and 3Ls at this heap will have to live with the legacy that their classes tarnished W&L's reputation; that is, unless you are able to remove the source of the problem (read: Dean Demleitner).

    * At this point George Washington's corpse must have turned over so many times in his grave that a hole has been burrowed all the way to China."

    http://abovethelaw.com/2014/03/washington-lee-tries-to-calm-fears-of-entering-students/2/?show=comments#comments

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  40. Hofstra fell 24 places last year. Hofstra fell 22 places this year. Washington and Lee fell 17 places this year. Nora Demleitner must be the worst dean ever.

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  41. The problem at Washington and Lee is that they picked a dean who can make employment figures look good rather than a dean who could help students get actual jobs. This approach worked well for a while but everything changed when the ABA implemented new transparency rules. This is why Demleitners former school Hofstra has fallen so much over the last two years.

    The W & L 2013 employment figures are out on their website. They are a little bit better than last year. However, they also show that Demleitner is up to her old tricks. W & L employed 16 of its 143 graduates in short term positions, (over 10%) in comparison to 1.5% in 2012. This makes it looked like W & L has fewer unemployed students. Neat trick.

    Also notice that W & L is not a place to go if you want a federal clerkship. They only placed 5 students in federal clerkships. Also don't expect to get a job in d.c. Only 9 students got jobs there. oh yes.The largest employment category is in firms of 2-10.

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  42. W&L '08L alum here. Greatest regret of my life.

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  43. If Washington and Lee is so great why does it have a yield of accepted students of only 12% for 2013. This is the second worst rate of all law schools, UC Davis was last at 11%. For comparison BYU had a 64.1%; Southern 46%; ND 44%; Faulkner 28%; Touro 27%; Little Rock 68%, Cooley 46%. You get the picture. Students are not exactly flocking to W & L's experiential program.
    http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/legal_education_and_admissions_to_the_bar/statistics/2013_fall_aba_approved_law_school_entering_class_information.pdf

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  44. Among other demands, "A group of law students at Washington and Lee University is demanding the school banish the Confederate flag from its Lexington campus and repudiate one of its namesakes, Gen. Robert E. Lee."

    Residents of Lexington Va. where W & L is located responded to the demands, "One of those was Brandon Dorsey, who is a commander with the Lexington brigade of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. He participated in the Lee-Jackson march on the W&L campus. He blamed the protests on campus on a small group of activists.

    "I think the whole think is a bunch of tripe,'' Dorsey said. "I think the university will have a lot of angry alumni on their campus if they agree to those demands.''

    My question is why a "a self-described liberal Democrat who supports abortion rights" (wikipedia) like Nora Demleitner would accept a deanship at a university that still flew the confederate flag and exhibited other signs of racism. I guess her liberalism ends when her self-interest is involved.

    Full story http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Students-Object-to-Confederate-Flags-on-Va-Campus-255691201.html

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  45. This is Dean Demleitner's reply to the black law students complaints:

    I met with all the original members of the Committee, upon their request, immediately after they had sent their letter to the senior University administration.

    While most of our discussion that evening focused on the demands in the letter, in the meantime I have met or spoken informally with many members of the Committee about their demands and also about changes they would like to see at the law school.

    You raise questions about the law school admissions process. We disclose on our website the make-up of our student body and our faculty. The data has always been publicly available. Most of our students — diverse or not — perceive the law campus as welcoming and supportive of all students. In fact, many students — and our student engagement survey — indicate that they value in particular the opportunity to meet and become friends with students who are substantially different from them, which includes racial and ethnic differences.

    Many of our students help in the recruitment process for the new class. They share their assessments of the campus and the academic and social climate at the law school freely. As a small law school which prides itself on the relationships students build with each other and with their faculty, we have always worked hard at including all of our students, and will do even more so in the days and weeks to come to assure that all of our students feel welcome and believe that they are full and valued members of our community. In the last year, for example, we have hired diverse faculty and administrators to increase the diversity within those groups as well.

    I am saddened that some of our students do not feel that they belong or are fully accepted, and I will work to change that. I am also gratified that our students feel they should and can raise these issues to bring change and improve their law school.

    http://newsone.com/3005288/black-washington-and-lee-law-students-say-they-were-bamboozled-about-schools-diversity/

    Wow, basically she's saying you should have read our website. What an enlightened dean.

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