Wednesday, May 1, 2013

Alabama State Bar Addresses the Reality of the Shrinking Legal Job Market

State Bar Issues Warning to Prospective Law Students:

The state bar association published a document entitled “Thinking Of Going To Law School?” This report got straight to the point:

“Before you go any further, you need to make a realistic assessment by honestly answering three questions below. If you can’t give an honest answer then you really don’t need to continue on this page. 

1. Why do you want to go to law school? 
2. Can you afford law school?
3. Do you really want to be a lawyer?

We cannot stress enough that the answer to Q2 is critically important. Becoming a lawyer usually takes seven years of full-time study after high school—four years of undergraduate study in college, followed by three years of law school. Essentially, you will be losing at least three years of potential earnings while you are in law school and the debt you will incur is likely to exceed $100,000 according to some estimates.” [Emphasis mine]

Now scroll down to the section header “Summary Report Survey Of New Admittees Regarding Law Student Debt And Post Law School Employment.” Look at the following excerpts:

“Every year, law students embark on a three-year course of study that will prepare them for a rewarding profession. Unfortunately, this course of study will also leave many of them with a considerable amount of student loan and other indebtedness at the end of their three-year education. It is increasingly common for law graduates to owe $100,000, $150,000 or more by the time they complete their education and prepare to face the last hurdle which separates them from a legal career – the bar exam.” [Emphasis mine]

That is one hell of a price to pay, for the chance to sit for a bar exam. Imagine if a car dealer charged you $10,000 for a test drive. How would you respond? 

“What are my chances of getting hired after graduation? 

Job hunting is always competitive because approximately 800 new lawyers are licensed in Alabama each year. Opportunities vary from area to area, with the most attractive openings having many applicants.” [Emphasis in original]

Immense debt plus weak-ass job prospects amount to a miserable combination, for students and recent grads. Those with an IQs above 70 will immediately recognize that the odds do not justify the massive debt. 

Coverage of the Report:

On March 8, 2013, attorney Keith Lee posted an Associate’s Mind entry labeled “Which State Bar is Discouraging People From Going to Law School?” Check out his conclusion:

“[I]t speaks volumes that that the ASB is willing to step up and publicly speak out on this issue and the “new reality” facing young lawyers. Especially when so many other Bars seem as though they would just as soon ignore the problem.

If the State Bar in a small market like Alabama can speak out on the issue – why can’t everyone else?” [Emphasis mine]

The Lawyer Glut in Alabama:

Catherine Rampell’s piece “The Lawyer Surplus, State by State” appeared in the New York Times Economix blog, on June 27, 2011. Look at the following numbers for the state of Alabama, furnished by Economic Modeling Specialists Inc.:

“2010-2015 Estimated Annual Openings: 295 
2009 Bar Exam Passers: 455 
Surplus: 160”

If the Alabama $tate Bar is correct in its statement that roughly 800 new attorneys are licensed each year in the state, then the level of lawyer over-saturation is far greater. Yes, that is a great recipe for recent graduates, huh?!?! Keep in mind that there are only three ABA-accredited trash pits in Alabama.

Conclusion: It is refreshing to see a state bar association admit that the job market is glutted. Of course, at this point in time, only waterheads and ball-less shills would argue that this is not the case. Furthermore, the organization stressed - several times - the insane cost of a “legal education.” In the end, you do not need to incur an additional $100K-$150K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a chance to practice law. Specifically, the report mentioned that “approximately two-third of Alabama lawyers practice in firms with one to five attorneys.  Why in the hell would you choose to take on such stifling debt, for the opportunity to enter toilet law?!


  1. The ISBA is also sounding an alarm on all this nonsense in the law skool world:

    1. Now you have bar associations admitting that law school is a dangerous risk. Only dumbshits would argue to the contrary.

  2. The California State Bar Association issued a similar dire warning 2 years ago. Yet, that state alone has over 40 law schools (accredited and non-accredited) and you have the taxpayers funding too many egos (Chemerinsky and his retirement nest egg known as UC-Irvine Law School) and schools. As long as the government continues to give monopoly money to students to fund these fantasies about living the "LA LAW" life, the lemmings will not heed the warnings.

    In my jurisdiction, I can tell you that we are super saturated with lawyers, especially young dumb shits who hung a shingle right out of law school without any knowledge or practical training. A thorough knowledge of Palsgraf is not going to help you decipher tort reform acts in your local state. Your mastery of International Shoe will not help you navigate through your jurisdiction's federal and state civil procedure rules.

    At this time, disciplinary filings are increasing at an alarming rate as young attorneys are being investigated for being stupid. Just look at the internet for a plethora of RPC violations. There are young attorneys openly touting "Undefeated in DUI Court" after handling one case that was dismissed because the arresting officer was in a coma. Also, there is a race to the bottom feeling. In 1995, I charged $5K to handle a DUI case (granted it was a 3rd offense and freedom was at stake). Nowadays, if you quote anything over $500, clients tell you to go fuck yourself and hire the noobie who will still plea you out or lose your trial while leaving a poor record for appeal. It is getting a lot harder to earn a buck as a lawyer with all these law schools pumping these unprepared lawyers who could not get recruited out of law school. Legal academia is solely responsible for the crisis in the legal profession. The greedy deans and law professors, who never really practiced law, sacrificed the nobility and prestige of this profession to line their pockets. If you are a lemming considering law school, you are just an easy mark to the predator deans and law professors. Remember, there is no legal recourse for you as the Courts let the law schools get away with fraud; after all, most of these judges supplement their incomes by being part of the adjunct faculty of the same schools that are being sued. This is a filthy racket that is destined to break your spirit and ruin you financially. You have been warned. If you proceed down this garden path, you deserve no one's pity or mercy.

  3. Another excellent post Nando.

  4. Great job Nando!

  5. 7:38 gets it. He knows the industry. Why listen to fucking law profs that never practiced? You've got people in the shit (law profession) telling you what it's like in the trenches.

  6. I can answer all three questions presented by the Alabama Bar Association for 95% of the applicants.

    Q. Why do I want to go to law school?
    A. Because college is over and don’t know what the fuck else to do with my BA.

    Q. Can I afford to go to law school?
    A. Sure I can, right up until six months after graduation when I have to start repaying the student loans at $1,200 a month.

    Q. Do I really want to be a lawyer?
    A. I don’t even know what a lawyer does, how the fuck should I know if I really want to be one.

  7. My Cousin Vinny took place in Alabama. If it happened today, those boys would be flooded with 8-10 fliers from local CDAs looking for murder trial work. Vinny would be just as unemployed and clueless, though. And the part of the movie where he says they don't teach you procedure? Spot on.

    The only good news with Alabama is that the best school in the state is a flagship public and that there's only one dumpy school (Faulkner). The bad news is that they're still spitting out unaccredited grads.

    Really, the Alabama Supreme Court needs to (1) shut down the unaccredited schools and (2) be more strict than the ABA - go after places like Cooley and Florida Coastal and tell them NO.

  8. I remember when my girlfriend rented out her basement to a friend of a friend. The asshole loser boyfriend came there one night, after his idiot girlfriend let him in (after he moved out). He beat the shit out of her. And the cops ended up beating the ever living fuck out of him. I mean they fucked him up good.

    After this shit went down, we started getting his mail. The fucking bum got something like 20 solicitations from criminal lawyers. One of them even had a picture of a bulldog on the outside of the envelope.

    Noble profession my foot.

  9. Nando,

    Heres a new article by Brian Tamanaha He writes, "Liberal law professors often express concerns about class in American society — championing access to the legal profession and the provision of legal services for underserved communities. Yet as law school tuition rose to its current extraordinary heights, progressive law professors did nothing to resist it. This Article explores what happened and why." You should do a full post on this article.

    1. Tamanaha hits another homer.

  10. Here is a list of creepy attorney websites which may run afoul of rules on attorney advertisement:


    (Sidenote: He may claim to be Maverick from TopGun, but do you as his client want to wind up like Goose?)


    (Sidenote: Hey, if you ever get lonely, you can chat with the live operator that pops up as soon as you click on the link. Ask for a side order of fries with your free consultation.)


    (Sidenote: If you are accused of child molestation and want a preview of how they will defend you, go to the website, scroll on the drop box to "child molestation" and click watch presentation for a preview of their brilliant defense strategy)


    (Sidenote: Beat your wife, then hire these guys to beat the charge)

    So yes lemmings, this is a preview of the illustrious profession that awaits you.

    1. Mr. Infinity touches small children.

      He likes to drive by local elementary schools (going 10 miles an hour) for 8 year olds. You know he'll watch the presentation.

  11. It's all about intelligence. The smart kids are staying away from law school, so the profession is going to hell in a handbasket because only the stupid people are going now. I recently went back to my TTT for an alumni event and half the students had tattoos or bleach blonde hair with a fake tan. No decent client (one who has their own job and pays their bill) is going to hire any of these people to represent them in a dispute or transactional matter. I spoke to some of the students. They were not at all bright and had no social skills. They all are still on the Hollywood-TV fantasy train regarding the legal profession thinking a job is going to fall in their lap when they graduate and they're going to live the life.

    I guess what I'm saying is, most of it is who you know, but a lot of it is also about individual intelligence (a cold, hard truth most don't want to face). I know a few successful midlaw/biglaw lawyers i went to school with who had very few connections and got to where they are because they were simply intelligent, hardworking individuals. They did well in school, clerked for federal judges, and networked properly to get jobs. Nothing comes easy. I graduated in the top 10% of my TTT and the career services office treated me very differently from other people in the class. It was like they just focused in on my cohort as the best chance of getting meaningful legal employment so they could put us in their recruitment brochures. The rest of the class was really just ignored. It was pretty fucked up actually.

    These law schools today are doing a terrible disservice to the profession by accepting less intelligent people into the schools just for the sake of upping enrollment. Instead of self-regulating and keeping the standards up for the sake of the profession, they are bottoming it out just to get paid.

  12. Law school CSOs only help the top 10% of their class. And those are the students who need the least help finding jobs. The bottom 90% don't get shit except for a giant middle finger.

  13. Whenever my former law school calls me up to shake me down for money i.e., alumni/scholarship fundraising, I tell them that I will give them in money exactly how much CSO gave me in effort to help me find a job, which is a big fat ZERO.

    1. You could always send them envelopes of Monopoly money.

      You can even print your own here:

  14. I think I have heard it all regarding this putrid profession. A colleague of mine was assigned a pro bono case by the assignment judge's office. When he tried to tell the clerk he had already spent 80 hours on a case pro bono, the court asked if the client he had represented in the pro bono ever gave him money. My colleague replied that he had charged the client $1,000 to do an uncontested divorce 3 years ago but had represented the client pro bono on the child support modification case. Well the clerk said that if the client ever gave you money, any subsequent free work does not count as pro bono. I cannot make this shit up.

  15. Meanwhile, the Pig judge is probably some dinosaur who never did an hour of pro bono work in his entire career stretching back to when Nixon was preisdent.

    Aside from the financial aspect, the hypocrisy in the profession stings the most.

  16. Great post, Nando. I'm glad to see a state bar taking some initiative to warn prospective students about the crippling debt they are about to take on. I wish they wouldn't couch it in such nice language like "considerable amount of student loan and other indebtedness." Let's just come out and tell people that many (most?) law school graduates these days are financially ruined upon graduation, and have no hope of ever getting out of debt.

  17. State bars know things are going south. They see newbie lawyers getting sanctioned or disbarred at higher rates. They know the debt loads are smothering lawyers. I suspect you'll see more state bars coming out with these type of warnings.

  18. Nando, could you please enable a Twitter function on your site? :)

  19. Student Loans and Nondischargeability Questioned in Seventh Circuit and Beyond

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    2. "Also, if you know the identity of the piece of garbage calling itself Mr. Infinity and A Frugal Law Student, please email me at the address above. Thanks!"

      Maybe you should offer a reward.

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  20. March 14, 2013

    "The decision to take out student loans may be the first major financial decision for many of these borrowers. We do not want to see their college degrees become more burden than blessing. But many students are saddled with debt and may believe they have few options to make their debt more manageable and affordable. With the challenges they face in the current economic environment, they can be precluded or delayed in pursuing other financial opportunities like getting a mortgage or saving for retirement."

    Richard Cordray
    Director, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

  21. Excellent article you should read Nando!

    Buying In: Suicide Pricing

    Biglaw competition is getting intense. Everyone is chasing the same clients, while also deploying rearguard actions to protect institutional clients from being poached. Forget about lateral partners taking clients for a moment. I am talking about overt approaches from competing firms regarding existing matters, bearing promises of handling things more cheaply and more efficiently. In-house lawyers, under pressure to contain costs, almost have to listen. They may not act right away, but with each such approach another dent has been made in the Biglaw client-maintenance bumper.

    It is no secret that in the face of declining overall demand (especially for the profit-pumping activities like mega-document reviews that were Biglaw’s joy to perform in the past), firms need to aggressively protect market share. While also seeking to grow market share. In an environment where more and more large clients are either (1) reducing the number of firms that they are willing to assign work to or (2) embracing an approach that finds no beauty contest too distasteful to engage in. So partners, at least those tasked with finding work for everyone to do, are falling back on a tried-and-true “sales approach” — putting things on sale.

    How bad has it gotten?

    Pretty bad. I have heard reports of work being offered for free. As in no charge. I have never gone down that road and would find another line of work if I felt I needed to. But it is happening, and it is insidious. No self-respecting client should ever want to have their lawyers working for free, and no self-respecting lawyer should ever feel forced to provide their services at no charge. (Interestingly, Biglaw associates may actually be the only class of lawyers for whom an assignment of working for free on a matter cannot be challenged.) Of course, there may be some exceptions, where handling an assignment gratis is not that big of an issue. Perhaps as a small favor for an institutional client, or as a limited opportunity to demonstrate proficiency in another discipline for an existing client. But as a strategy for attracting new clients? Count me out. Pro bono is for the indigent, not the in-house counsel power-tripping on their “market power.” [...]

  22. Good work Nando. This information movement started on the internet with people like you. It's being covered in the mainstream press and now by professional publications. While you can't fix stupid, those who are of reasonable intelligence considering law school are now opting out because of information on sites like this one. The numbers don't lie. The employment rates of grads and starting salaries are in the toilet and the rise in the cost of attendance has outpaced inflation and the viability of the JD. It was just a matter of getting the true, unadulterated numbers out there and not the ones finessed by the pigs (i.e., counting as "employed" people getting graduate degrees after law school and using the 9 month employment window as a baseline because that's perfect timing for when a lot of grads will be in 1 year state/county clerkships with very few employment prospects after the clerkship concludes).

    Only truly a moron would attend now and they deserve personal financial ruin at this point for not doing their own independent research before signing a promissory note that puts them in debt forever.


    Here are some more nuggets from the ASB report:

    Head down to "Non-legal Occupations" under the section labeled "Summary Report Survey Of New Admittees Regarding Law Student Debt And Post Law School Employment." Take a look at the following excerpt:

    "As the Wall Street Journal pointed out: “The situation is so bleak that some students and industry experts are rethinking the value of a law degree, long considered a ticket to financial security. If students performed well, particularly at top-tier law schools, they could count on jobs at corporate firms where annual pay starts as high as $160,000 and can top out well north of $1 million. While plenty of graduates are still set to embark on that career path, many others have had their dreams upended.”

    Part of the problem is supply and demand. Law-school enrollment has held steady in recent years while law firms, the judiciary, the government and other employers have drastically cut hiring in the economic downturn."

    Hell, even "law professor" pigs and cockroaches are starting to admit that there are too many graduates for the number of available attorney openings. Of course, the thieves don't do anything to correct this imbalance - since that would affect their bloated, unjustified salaries. Plus, why give the financial criminals credit for finally stating the obvious, with regards to this field?!

    The document continued:

    "With that as a backdrop for the problem of student debt, a number of respondents indicated that they had to put their law career on-hold and were employed in such diverse non-legal fields and occupations as:

    * Retail sales
    * School counselor
    * Teacher
    * Bartender
    * Musician"

    I did not provide the full list of non-law jobs furnished by the state bar. Somehow, they forgot to include the following positions: insurance adjuster, barista, waitress, bouncer, and restaurant hostess. Who wouldn’t want to incur an additional $110K-$160K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, and work in one of the insecure, low-paying jobs above?!?!

  24. Law professors are also hypocrites when it comes to ethics, which is a topic they preach with great sanctimony. By enabling lemmings to graduate with crippling debt levels, the law school faculty knows that recent grads will have a blurry vision when it comes to ethics. Assuming you are one of the lucky ones that lands a $50K a year salary working in a 2-5 lawyer firm, you cannot rent an apartment, pay for car insurance, gas, utilities and service a six figure debt. So what is a young lemming attorney to do? Perhaps they will do what this person did:

    In the end, this person whose career was cut short, blamed her financial situation in forcing her to bend the rules. How many newly minted lawyers will find themselves in this predicament? If you think for one second the law professors aren't aware of this conundrum, you are twice the fool. Yet these same assholes talk about serving the poor, fighting for justice and all the other empty liberal platitudes. It is sick and criminal what the law schools are getting away with.

  25. Hey, this attorney knew what she was doing. Participating in fraud against trusting victims with the rational that "I was forced into it by debt" is a non excuse. She deserved what she got. She obviously was a Sociopath to engage in this type of fraud. Nothing to do with student loans, although I am sure the pressure did not help.

  26. What if you take out $150K...and you end up practicing shitlaw in Alabama?

  27. Alabama has some of the shittiest law schools:

    Goode School of Law, Birmingham School of Law(unaccredited), Miles School of Law.

    Nando, you should write about the unaccredited law schools, they are a joke.

  28. Meanwhile, in Alabama for a dentist:

    Dentist needed (MONTGOMERY, AL)

    Established Dental office seeks full time dentist for associate opportunityfor beautiful office in Montgomery. We offer a guaranteed salary to start then on percentage. Average associate earns $250K +without any of the headaches of practice ownership. Benefits include, health insurance, malpractice, 401K, paid holidays and vacation and profit sharing.

    That is for an average associate dentist: $250K. Only requirement is graduating dental school.

  29. The whole profession is a big, giant fucking scam. Everyone (judges, prosecutors, defense lawyers, clients) has an angle. In transactional law, the lawyers try to get by with billing (and overbilling) for as much as they can get away with. My uncle used to laugh about charging clients $0.75 for each page printed out and $3.50 for each page of a fax sent out. It didn't matter if the fax was local or not. This was in the early or mid 90s. Things have changed I'm sure. But they got away with it for a long time.

  30. Anyone who enrolled in 2010 or later deserves no sympathy. These articles have been out since before then.

  31. It's been awhile since I posted on this blog. If I was a 17 or 18 year old high school graduate today, I would enroll in a trade school. Going to college or law school is a sucker's bet in this day in age. When I attended college and law school, money was being thrown at me to get a higher education (I was a Division I athlete with a full ride to undergrad and I attended a T25 on a full tuition scholarship with a stipend). The simple reality is that the legal profession is contracting and the growth levels of the late '90s through '07 will never be seen again. So to throw away $150K to get a watered down credential (everyone and their mother, it seems, is going to law school) is a losing proposition. Unless your mother is a Federal magistrate, or your dad is a rainmaking partner at a firm, the odds of you becoming a successful lawyer outside the top 5 law schools is slim to none THESE DAYS. The law professors may tell you embellished stories about their 1 or 2 year stint in Biglaw and try to impress you by saying they threw it all away just to take the noble path of teaching, but the reality is they could never hack it in private practice and took the easy gold brick road to a comfortable existence while throwing your financial futures under the bus. Your schools may romance you with IBR and other bullshit programs to mollify your whining but let's face it, you didn't go to law school to live a pauper's existence for 25 years just to get hit with a tax time bomb at the end. You are a moron to attend law school in this economic climate.

    NYC Hiring Partner

  32. I refer to the following comment of the new Dean of the Peking University School of Transnational Law in China which is applying to get ABA accreditation so that its students can apply to sit for a U.S. state bar exam.

    "While the Peking University School of Transnational Law (STL) is unique in the world of legal education, offering both an American style J.D. degree (taught in English) and a Chinese J.M. degree, it is notable that the first graduating class in 2012 had a 100% employment rate at graduation in excellent legal positions. The second class, which will graduate this summer, is projected to have similar success. Admission interest in the law school has grown every year since its inception and each year the entering class has grown over the prior year (though the numbers are small).

    Stephen Yandle
    Acting Dean
    Peking University School of Transnational Law (STL)"


    Thank you for the link, 6:48 am. The Illinois State Bar Association published a report entitled "Special Committee on the Impact of Law School Debt on the Delivery of Legal Services - Final Report & Recommendations" on March 8, 2013. According to the bottom of the first page, the board will vote to recommend adoption by the ISBA A$$embly in June 2013. Check out this opening:



    The average student graduates from law school today with over $100,000 of law school debt. After adding accrued interest, undergraduate debt, and bar study loans, the debt burden of new attorneys frequently increases to $150,000 to $200,000, levels of debt that impose a crushing burden on new lawyers. But excessive debt is a problem not only for new lawyers. Lawyer debt also poses significant challenges to the rest of the legal profession and the public that the profession serves. To explore the extent of these challenges and consider appropriate recommendations, Illinois State Bar Association President John E. Thies created the Special Committee on the Impact of Law School Debt on the Delivery of Legal Services (“Special Committee”).

    During the fall of 2012, the Special Committee conducted a series of statewide hearings inviting testimony from a wide-range of individuals as to their “front line” experiences with this problem. Based on this testimony and other research, the Special Committee has concluded that this law school debt crisis is having a serious and negative impact on the quality and availability of the legal services that the legal profession provides in this state. In short, the debt burden of new attorneys, combined with their lack of readiness for practice upon graduation and a difficult job market, is detrimental to the public’s ability to access quality legal services."

    Scroll down to page 9, and read this excerpt:


    The challenges facing young lawyers because of the debt burden of attending law school and the catastrophic job market are receiving significant attention. The average law school graduate now faces over $100,000 of debt from law school at graduation, not including lingering undergraduate loans and money borrowed to study for the bar exam and assist with living expenses until a graduate’s first job. The pressures of that debt are only compounded by the austere legal job market that left almost 50% of graduates from the class of 2011 unemployed or underemployed. But that may not be the whole story. After removing clerkships with state trial courts (which are often temporary and unlikely to lead to other employment), positions funded by law schools, jobs that feature nominal salaries, solo practitioners, and graduates who have opened a law office together or are engaged in “eat what you kill” arrangements with private firms (in which the graduate earns money only for work she brings in herself), one scholar estimates that as few as one-third of the class of 2011 obtained employment “that a typical prospective law student would have considered a minimally satisfactory employment outcome.” [Internal citations removed]

    The law school pigs cannot deny reality any longer. Of course, the “professors” and deans do not give a damn about their students and recent graduates. These "educators" will propose “solutions” that help extend the scam, until they reach retirement age.

  34. Nando,

    Have you seen this letter to the editor from the Washington and Lee dean defending her school?

    Last paragraph
    At Washington and Lee we know the world has changed and have responded to it. We do not hold out to our students a promise of positions for which an MBA or a graduate program may prepare them equally well or better. Unless one can fulfill one’s core function — and ours is to prepare law students for the legal profession — law schools may have no reason for their existence. Washington and Lee’s response has been to change in order to prepare our students better and more effectively to provide value to the profession they plan to enter. Let me invite Mr. Weiss to Lexington, Va., to see for himself.

  35. Since only morons fall for scams, only morons will continue going to law school. Therefore, very dark days lay ahead for the legal profession. And the law school pigs were the sole cause of this. But there is hope with a growing chorus online, where most people today get their info. Still,, a tremendous amount of damage has already been done.

    For those inquiring minds- DON'T GO TO LAW SCHOOL.

    Fuck the law school pigs.

  36. The schools will keep scamming because they'll always have willing victims.

  37. The situation has become so pathetic that even that state bar associations are starting to admit it. When will people wake up?

    My sister graduates from UGA next Friday and she is still going to try to indebt herself and moving to this apartment in Macon to attend Mercer University! Ugh. I even emailed her about this website and she just doesn't listen.

    1. If your stubborn sister decides to enter a downward spiral trip to hell, you might as well advise your parents to take out a life insurance policy on her. Your sister may wind up losing her head at Mercer Law School in more ways than one. See e.g.,

  38. So, here's a timeline:

    1.) Because of the internet, people have access to unfiltered employment statistics for law schools. This is a major development since historically the pigs controlled the numbers and USNWR was in their back pocket.

    2.) The cost of attendance has outpaced inflation and does not correlate with employment stats or starting salaries.

    3.) The smart kids realize this and acknowledge reality. They do not attend unless they get into a T10. Only morons (and well-connected brats) continue to go.

    4.) The pigs, not caring and absent of any sense of responsibility or ethics, bottom out the market and begin accepting anyone with a pulse just to get as much government loan money as possible before the entire scam implodes like any garden variety pyramid scheme.

    5.) These grads cannot find any legal employment and end up working other jobs barely able to make their loan payments (this has broader implications for the long term economic upward mobility of an entire generation). Defaults abound.

    6.) The law school bubble (and higher education generally) bursts and the schools begin to close.

    7.) The empty campuses will be akin to those old, shut down mental institutions of yester-year that kids break into just to fuck around(which is basically what they did when it was a functioning law school).

    My dream (yet wholly unrealistic):

    8.) The rules are changed to make loans dischargeable in bankruptcy and the law school pigs are prosecuted for fraud.

  39. One has to wonder how sane a college graduate is to want to attend law school during the ongoing Great Recession. Law schools are run mostly by sociopath law school deans and professors (i.e., limousine liberals who claim to want to better the world while picking your pockets and victimizing you). Moreover, law school attracts mentally infirm folks who have a chip on their shoulder (e.g., those who could not hack it in a more intellectually rigorous environment, such as STEM or medical school). There was a time when if a parent said "My Johnny is finishing his first year at law school," it may impress your friends and neighbors. Nowadays, lawyers are a dime a dozen and the profession is a macabre joke. Lemmings willingly listen to the law school deans who are known con men with a good sales pitch. Let's face it, the main function of a law school dean is to raise money either via alumni fundraising or by raising tuition 400% in the last 25 years. Law school deans do not give two shits about you. You are just another conned customer who will go through a 3 year exercise in futility to get a degree that is worthless. The author of this blog has absolutely no financial stake in opening the eyes of lemmings. He is not a lawyer (so can't say he is trying to cut off his future competition) and he does not receive any financial remuneration for operating this blog. Yet, he has invested three years of time in exposing the corrupt and fraudulent nature of higher education, particularly when it comes to law school. I wish lemmings took the time to speak to actual lawyers who know what they are talking about rather than listen to "academics" who preach "Sally, earn a versatile law degree and fight for justice while helping society's downtrodden." These are empty platitudes recited by people who are earning a princely sum of churning thousands upon thousands of financially strapped law grads. Don't fall for the law school trap.


    "Suggestions for the State Bar

    Six to Nine Months to Employment

    These were among the verbatim comments of new admittees who took six to nine months to find employment:

    5. Inform them on the difficulties of finding a job and how difficult it is to pay back student loans.

    7. The amount of debt incurred to obtain an law school education is not worth it right now. I am making LESS money than I did before I went to law school. I can't pay afford to pay for my student loans since my salary is so low and I may have to defer them once again. All the while the interest keep accruing. It is a vicious cycle.

    10. They teach you a lot about the law in law school but very little about how to practice law. I don’t know how you would do it but any information on the nuts and bolts of practice would be very helpful."

    Now, let's take a look at some of the responses for those who took longer to land employment.

    "Nine Months to One Year to Employment

    These were among the verbatim comments of new admittees who took nine months to one year to find employment:

    4. Put a cap on law school class size, which would have the effect of reducing market entrants into an already saturated legal market.

    5. Force law schools to be honest - the Bar has no problem sending their bulldogs from the General Counsel's office to threaten students with punishment for every conceivable offense, but does not require the law schools to be transparent, honest or even ethical in the recruitment and enrollment of law students. The greatest mistake I ever made was becoming a lawyer (and this was a dream that began for me when I was 10 yrs old), but I would not have made this mistake if had I received accurate statistics regarding legal employment prospects following graduation.

    9. Tell them not to attend law school until the economy gets better, which could be anywhere from three to five years, if we are lucky.”

    How many lemmings will choose to ignore this advice, from the state bar?!?! After all, there are plenty of idiots who believe that they are “special snowflakes.”

  41. Atheist ATL LawyerMay 5, 2013 at 10:41 AM

    How about this advice:

    Go shoot up each and every law school. DO NOT KILL INNOCENT STUDENTS.

    Just the criminal law professors and deans.

    They ruined countless lives. Time to ruin theirs.


    And I will stand with applause.


  42. You only need about 30-40 law schools for the whole country...if your main concern is the students. If not, open up as many shit heaps as you can get away with.

  43. Nando, take a look at this Crooklyn Law Professor's desperate attempt to proclaim a "resurgence" of the legal profession:

    As an attorney of over 20 years, I can tell you that third party financing for litigation has been around for decades. This isn't some blooming solution that will cure the ills of this maligned profession. What is interesting is the level of desperation from law professors to create an impression that the legal profession is in "recovery" mode and that now is the time to enroll in law school to get on the gravy train for 2016.

  44. This is from the Huffington Post blog post authored by Prof. Bradly Borden:

    "Third, TPLF, combined with an improving economy (which can't hold back indefinitely) and the relative dearth of attorneys that will result from the decreasing law school enrollment, portend a perfect storm that will hit the legal market."

    I have news for you Bradley. Even if a meteor took out a million lawyers, there still would be an oversupply of lawyers. It's so sad that a Crooklyn Law Professor is now borrowing the same arguments from Dean Donald Leduc of Cooley.


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