Monday, May 6, 2013

Open Letter to the Graduating JD Class of 2013


Thanks for Ignoring the Warning:

Hello, Dumbass.

Nearly three years ago, on August 25, 2010, I warned you about this stupid venture. In the closing paragraph of that entry, I specifically stated: “if you are not from a wealthy family AND are not strongly connected to the legal industry, DROP OUT OF LAW SCHOOL AFTER FIRST SEMESTER IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE TOP 5%-10% OF YOUR CLASS.” 

Ninety percent of you dolts did not land in the top decile of your cohort. But you feel that you are a “special snowflake.” So the odds don’t apply to you, right?!?! Evidently, you are immune to reality.

David Segal’s NYT Piece, Published on January 8, 2011:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/business/09law.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Since you have enrolled, articles about the law school scam have appeared in several major publications. The strongest piece was printed in the New York Times, on page one of the Sunday Business section. David Segal authored an epic story entitled “Is Law School a Losing Game?” It appeared online the night before, and has since been cited countless times. I am sure that many of you saw and read this stinging indictment against U.S. law schools. Check out this excerpt: 

“In reality, and based on every other source of information, Mr. Wallerstein and a generation of J.D.’s face the grimmest job market in decades. Since 2008, some 15,000 attorney and legal-staff jobs at large firms have vanished, according to a Northwestern Law study. Associates have been laid off, partners nudged out the door and recruitment programs have been scaled back or eliminated.

And with corporations scrutinizing their legal expenses as never before, more entry-level legal work is now outsourced to contract temporary employees, both in the United States and in countries like India. It’s common to hear lawyers fret about the sort of tectonic shift that crushed the domestic steel industry decades ago.” [Emphasis mine]

Let’s look at the timeline. If you enrolled in an ABA-accredited diploma mill in Fall 2010, then you had just completed your first semester of “legal studies” when Segal’s piece was published. You had ample time to drop out before the start of the second semester. Even if all of your grades had not been submitted, you had certainly received some of them. When it became obvious that your ass was not going to be in the top ten percent of your class, you should have been prudent - and dropped out immediately.

Law Lemming Pathology:

http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2012/05/special-snowflake-syndrome-and-spirit.html

On May 25, 2012, Paul Campos provided a breakdown of a lemming’s psychology, in his entry “Special Snowflake Syndrome and the spirit of capitalism.” The author points out a Top Law Schools thread, where a tool from California will choose between HofStTTra and Cal We$TTTTern. Take a look at this excerpt:

“Veteran TLS commenters will be sure to inform this misguided soul that attending Hofstra at sticker or Cal Western with a $15K per year "scholarship" (really a cross-subsidized tuition discount) is a horrible idea under almost any possible circumstance. The original poster may well then resist this advice, by making some combination of the following claims:

(1) I plan to work exceptionally hard in law school and finish in the top 10% of my class. 

(2) After killing it in my first year I will transfer to a much better school.

(3) I have met several very successful lawyers who graduated from Hofstra/Cal Western. 

(4) If I'm only making $50K a year as a lawyer after I graduate I can go into this government debt forgiveness program that I've heard about, and after all $50K is just a starting salary. 

(5) There are a bunch of special circumstances about me that make my situation different from those of most people who have my entrance stats. 

In other words, statistical extrapolation doesn't really apply in my case, because I'm not a statistic.” [Emphasis mine]

Conclusion: In the end, most of you willingly chose to ignore the advice of recent law grads, younger attorneys, the Bureau of Labor Statistics job outlook for lawyers, NALP employment summary reports, common sense, etc. Now, you are strapped down with $110K-$180K in additional, NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt - because of your foolish decision. The fact remains that Congre$$pig$ will not bite the corporate bankster hands that feed them. Hell, even Dick Durbin - as a sitting U.$. senator - admitted that “the banks own the place.” Your student loans will not be dischargeable in your lifetime. 

Before you enrolled in law school, you were aware of the burdens of student debt. You also chose not to read the David Segal piece, “Is Law School a Losing Game?” The New York Times also ran Segal’s follow-up series on “legal education.” When you did not land a summer internship after your first year, you should have realized that law school was not for you. Now, if you are “lucky,” you will end up practicing toilet law. Yes, who doesn’t want to take on crushing debt, for a chance to represent broke-ass, fundamentally dishonest clients?!?!

86 comments:

  1. I would've gone with a pic of grads being tossed into a giant blender.

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  2. Calico Cat warned them in 2004. The Slumbering Dogmatist in 2005. Myself, the great John Bungsolaphagus starting in 2006 on tom the temp, jdu and atl, L4L in 2006 on his own blog and the rest, John Doeer and many others. Now its all mainstream and yet they still enroll. F'em. God bless

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  3. If they enroll now, fuck them. No further warnings. And no student debt forgiveness. Don't even mention the possibility fof this happening.

    I don't care if Cryn blows you every night and swallows. Fuck these clowns.

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  4. There's a lemming born every minute.

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  5. That picture is not fitting. It should show a lemming bent over and a 18" strap on about to enter his/her rectum. Of course a law school dean would be wearing the strap on.

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  6. Yes, the message is certainly out with the blogs, news articles and lawsuits against the law schools.

    You are a dumb fuck if you go to law school these days.

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  7. Another lawsuit, this time from Widener grads:

    http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20130428/NEWS03/304280040/Widener-law-school-grads-cry-fraud

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    1. Widener is an absolute shit pile. Expect that lawsuit to be tossed out in 2 minutes. The judge'll point out only an idiot would attend this school.

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    2. @445,

      I wish they would sue you, Paintroach - and, through some exotic mechanism or another - somehow transfer all of America's student debt onto your feeble, roachy shoulders.

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    3. That you, Antonio de Neco-Wafer? If it is, jump off the SF Bay Bridge. Id it isn't, jump in front of a bus.

      Thank you.

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  8. The mothers of Paul Campos and Brian Tamanaha are whores!

    Like it now? And tit for tat.

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  9. Self sacrificing is all in your head.

    Campos and Tamanaha play around here like it is a taxpayer backed playground.

    Demo IMHO got it all figured out a longtime ago, and I am grateful that he at least can give the skinny on Tamanaha who is a loose cannon in the academic world, as is Campos.

    Both will have their pensions etc. intact.

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  10. When's the last time you tickled Cryn Johannsen's tonsils, nando?

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  11. Actually, if you read that Widener article carefully you'd see that it survived a motion to dismiss:

    "The Widener suit is one of the few that have survived challenges. In late March, U.S. District Judge William H. Walls denied a request to dismiss the case against Widener, signaling he believes the claims are plausible enough to let a jury or fact-finder hear its merits"

    Hopefully a jury would be sympathetic enough and show these bastards since they'd never settle. Of course the pigs on the 3rd circuit would probably dismiss it on appeal. But if they got a verdict I'd imagine the ABA and other diploma mills would take notice.

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  12. Since Campos wrote this post, Hofstra fell from 89th to 113th in the us news rankings. Congratulations to Dean Nora Demleitner for ruining Hofstra before you went to W & L.

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  13. http://www.calicocat.com/2004/08/law-school-big-lie.html

    I remember reading this six years ago and shrugging it off...oh what a fool I was! You have to be completely out of your mind to go to law school now. It was pretty bad for a lot of people back in Calico Cat's time, and that was one of the most unprecedented boom times ever in legal hiring. Now we're in a post-economic collapse world which is many orders of magnitude worse. It will never improve.

    I chose to go to a regional sTTTaTTTe school on scholarship (which was the prevailing "alternative advice" back then), doing as much as I could to reduce cost, and still had to borrow around 50,000 dollars for my law degree. That's a sizable amount when I already had 35,000 from undergrad. With interest it's ballooned to nearly 100,000 dollars and counting, over $1,000 per month. I will likely never be able to pay it off in my lifetime.

    Oh and, I was on law review (THE law review, not some secondary shit journal), and in the top of my class. None of that matters, and nobody cares. Don't hold out hope that you can even BE a special snowflake. Those don't exist anymore. They probably never did, even back in Calico Cat's day.

    Keep up the good fight Nando. If we save even one person from this fate--and we most certainly have--it's worth it.

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    1. Is the post a reasonable length to cut and paste in one or two posts? I tried two different computers and the link is dead or broken.

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  14. I sent this website to a friend of mine who WAS a 1L because after he saw his TTT featured on this blog he dropped out. I told him to consider himself lucky that he only has a $20k loan to pay off. If he financially plans correctly he'll get out from under it at some point in his life.

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  15. Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else.

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  16. I think about so many law grads who are having such a tough go in life. I am lucky that my connections landed me a midlaw job and that my family was able to support me and help pay for school. For a long time I was so embarrassed because I hated taking money from my family and having people pay for me. I wanted to do everything on my own. I didn't want anyone's help and thought I was a loser/scrub for still leaching off my family. I thought my talent and skills would get me recognized, I'd stand out of the crowd, and show them I could do it alone. I was a "special snowflake."

    But the reality is that life isn't fair and that you just have to see who your friends are and what people can do for you. I realized that half the people out there who put on a front of being independently successful and wealthy also relied heavily on their families, and some still do to pay their rent/loans/cars. The managing partner of the firm branch here likes to walk around like he's a hot shot but half his wealth came from when his father passed away and he got some commercial building from the estate. I remember the bum had his elderly mother pay off a credit card for him before she died. I realize that I stand to inherit money as well, only I'm way too humble to flaunt like the parasites I work with. Other associates would snicker at me for driving a ford and I'd later find out that their parents paid the lease on their benz. There are a lot of phonies and ego-maniacs in this profession and they all suck. They are back-stabbing and conniving. The firm is full of in-fighting because you have a room full of brats who think they're right and you're wrong. Partners treat us associates like little bitches. A partner reprimanded me and threw a bunch of papers at my feet in front of a room full of my colleagues and I wanted to punch his lights out. I leave here every day more stressed than when I arrived. I have a friend in biglaw whose wife was on the verge of taking their child and moving in with her mother and my friend had to beg for an emergency week off from work to try to fix his marriage. This life is not happiness.

    I know many people (and virtually every summer clerk) who got in this firm because someone called in a favor. That's it. I owe my livelihood to the fact that my brother worked at another firm that a bunch of lawyers left to join this one and I knew them all and they offered me a summer job and then a full-time job after graduation. And my bro plays golf with them and my sister has them over for bbqs and it's a little circle of pompous cunts where every statement made can be measured by a tax return. Stacks of resumes we received sit in xerox boxes in the stock room having NEVER been looked at. Our office manager gets blind e-mails from 3Ls desperate for work. We put an ad up for a receptionist and we have JDs responding to it.

    If you have zero contacts in the legal profession (no one in your family or close family friends) I would suggest you try another profession and avoid a lifetime of debt and disappointment. And even if you do have those contacts, ask yourself if you want to work until 9pm every night having some fat bald fuck ride your ass and dump all his work on you and then you start lashing out at summer clerks and people in your life because of all the added stress and then you realize what a monster you have become.

    Fuck the legal field.

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    1. Is that what you want, boys and girls?

      My cousin practiced biglaw for 6 years. In that time, he got to raise two kids with his beautiful (now ex) wife. Turns out one of the kids wasn't his. People in the family knew as soon as they saw a newborn that looked like a little Antonio Banderas. That kid had more hair than me. Yep. That's a nice reward for working 90 hour weeks. Missing out on ball games, barbeques, family outings. Leaving family vacations early. Taking phone calls at 3 am from asshole partners. This guy took less vacation time than a workaholic.

      At age 30, my cousin looked like a 45 year old man. His hair loss and baggy eyes gave him an older look.

      Here's the best part. After his divorce, he got stuck paying alimony and child support. Now he gets to see his girls two days a week and one weekend a month. I guess it shows how shitty this profession is too. Some women gets to fuck another man while her husband works himself to death, and then she gets custody and a big check every month.

      Now that he's only making about $60k, the ex is pissed. She's tried to get his time with his kids knocked down several times. She feels entitled to getting the same amount in alimony each month.

      Fuck this shitty profession.

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    2. Yeah, the partner who threw the paper at my feet actually caught his wife fucking a fireman. They divorced, have joint custody, and he pays her 1/3 of his salary in alimony. He's one of the most vile humans I've ever encountered, and I deal with him on a daily basis. He thinks everyone else is wrong and he's always right. The managing partner doesn't care, he plays golf and just treats us like we don't exist. Plus, his ugly cunt wife is a law school prof, which makes me hate him even more.

      We do healthcare law and i think the only profession that rivals law in ego, pomposity, and people you would like to bludgeon with a hammer is medicine. Just listen to how bitter and fucked up I am.

      Avoid law school and to hell with this putrid, rotten profession. Anyone who comes on here extolling the virtues of a legal education or career is a lying shitbag professor or naive law student living in a fantasynland.

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    3. it's not her fault that she's ugly.

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  17. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119040786780835602.html

    Amir Efrati wrote a Wall Street Journal piece entitled "Hard Case: JOb Market Wanes for U.S. Lawyers." The article was published on September 24, 2007. Check out this opening:

    "A law degree isn't necessarily a license to print money these days.

    For graduates of elite law schools, prospects have never been better. Big law firms this year boosted their starting salaries to as high as $160,000. But the majority of law-school graduates are suffering from a supply-and-demand imbalance that's suppressing pay and job growth. The result: Graduates who don't score at the top of their class are struggling to find well-paying jobs to make payments on law-school debts that can exceed $100,000. Some are taking temporary contract work, reviewing documents for as little as $20 an hour, without benefits. And many are blaming their law schools for failing to warn them about the dark side of the job market.

    The law degree that Scott Bullock gained in 2005 from Seton Hall University - where he says he ranked in the top third of his class - is a "waste," he says. Some former high-school friends are earning considerably more as plumbers and electricians than the $50,000-a-year Mr. Bullock is making as a personal-injury attorney in Manhattan. To boot, he is paying off $118,000 in law-school debt."

    Later on, the author continued:

    "A slack in demand appears to be part of the problem. The legal sector, after more than tripling in inflation-adjusted growth between 1970 and 1987, has grown at an average annual inflation-adjusted rate of 1.2% since 1988, or less than half as fast as the broader economy, according to Commerce Department data.

    Some practice areas have declined in recent years: Personal-injury and medical-malpractice cases have been undercut by state laws limiting class-action suits, out-of-state plaintiffs and payouts on damages. Securities class-action litigation has declined in part because of a buoyant stock market.

    On the supply end, more lawyers are entering the work force, thanks in part to the accreditation of new law schools and an influx of applicants after the dot-com implosion earlier this decade. In the 2005-06 academic year, 43,883 Juris Doctor degrees were awarded, up from 37,909 for 2001-02, according to the American Bar Association. Universities are starting up more law schools in part for prestige but also because they are money makers. Costs are low compared with other graduate schools and classrooms can be large. Since 1995, the number of ABA-accredited schools increased by 11%, to 196."

    This epic piece was out nearly full three years before you started law school, Lemmings. Efrati did a great job of documenting the shrinking, GLUTTED lawyer job market. The fact that this appeared in the Wall Street Journal should have made you rethink your foolish decision.

    Now, MANY of you will end up returning to your prior line of work. Plenty of JDs from the Class of 2013 will go into the following industries: retail, insurance sales, bartending, teaching grade school, etc. Do you still believe that you are unique?!?!

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  18. I am still hoping that my sister will start to wake up and realize that you are right. She's already decided that being a corporate lawyer isn't viable, which may be a sign of progress, but she's still gullible enough to go to law school anyway despite everything that I've been trying to warn her about. A friend mine thought I was just jealous. It's ridiculous and much of the time, when I try to call her out on her poor decisions and financial problems that she has, she gets all arrogant and defensive and seems to have this sort of mentality that she's special and that none of this stuff will happen to her, even though she's even on an EBT card after 4 years of school and has an accountant boyfriend who hasn't found work yet.

    She also criticized me for taking a gap year, even though I have absolutely no student loan debt or credit problems.

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  19. You guys are entirely missing the point of a good, solid legal education. A JD is a great tool and versatile. You can go to the local soup kitchen and get free meal with it. Panhandling options open up to graduates; least your "please give" sign is grammatically correct. I mean, can you imagine dumpster diving without a JD? That's just ridiculous.

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  20. If you have enough student loan debt, leave the country for good. (Looking at you, Painter.)

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  21. You're still going off on law schools? Do yourself a favor and just have Crynge Johannsen give you another blowjob.

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    1. Do everyone a favor...swallow a shotgun barrel and pull the trigger, Mr. Infinity.

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  22. Just FYI, for those few who may remember the insufferable Jack Whittington from a few years back: he and his wife are both Tulsa law grads whose names do not appear on the Texas bar exam pass list published last Friday. Assuming they've kept trying to pass in Texas, this would be the fourth consecutive time that they've failed. Karma indeed...

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    1. Ahh - I figured my name would pop up somewhere around this time of year. I'm flattered you remember me. Now for those inquiring minds here's an update on my sad sad state of affairs. I've sat for the TX Bar twice and failed twice - karmic justice you say? You're probably right. Then of course there was my well documented stint as a car salesman which gave the scambloggers an immense case of schadenfreude. Was Nando right all along? Perhaps. But through all the highs and lows of this experience I understood the risk I was taking and don't blame the legal industry for my gamble. Going to law school now I realize was akin to hitting instead of staying on 18. The odds are incredibly long but dammit it was my intuition and I was going to see it through warning signs be damned! It turns out I was just another snowflake in the pile - actually a below average one at that apparently. Incredibly I managed to land on my feet somewhere along the way - found a decent enough job that allowed us to manage our loans and a mortgage on a new home and live a pretty comfortable life financially in spite of it all. I'm not bitter or angry I've made my peace with it - as Americans we tend to love watching a good train wreck and I'm sure my futile existence provided you with a real gutbuster. With that I hope I have satiated your interest in my curious but oh so typical case. Even Nixon knew when to call it a day and with that I bid you adieu and best of luck to you anonymous I hope you find your identity - Jack

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  23. Mr. Infinity touches small children.

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  24. Something to think about for all of you reading considering law school. There is a lot of talk about how the anointed top ten percent will get jobs despite the rank of their school or the health of the economy, particularly if they are also on the law review.
    And while I don't think that is true anymore suppose there is still value in "working exceptionally hard in law school and finishing in the top 10% of your class."

    You should still consider this. Do you know what it takes to be in the top 10 percent? Really? Have you *Ever* been in the top 10 percent, of anything?
    If you have to borrow money for law school, then you are not in the top ten percent of income, or in parental connections.
    Were you in the top 10 percent of your high-school or college class? If you are not, what makes you think you will be in the top 10 percent of law school, where the admissions committee are more like to reject people dumber than you than people smarter than you.
    Was your LSAT score in the top 10 percent? If not then you do you think your law school grades will be?

    I'm not belaboring this point because I'm some sort of top 10% super-genius. I was in the top 25% of my high-school and college class. Such a rank is considered mediocre in law school and will condemn you to low paid doc review for the rest of your days.
    If you are going to go to law school and assume without evidence that you are going to be an awesome top 10 percenter; and cleared for jobs with big law firms at $160,000, then you are nothing except another standard issue lemming for the scam.

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    1. ^Thanks.

      Top 10% at a top 20 law school. If you go to a school ranked 50th or lower, you'll need to do a good deal better. And if you attend a TTT or TTTT, you'll either need to be rich and connected or be in the top 1%-2%.

      How many lemmings have been top 1% or 2% at anything in their lives?

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  25. http://abovethelaw.com/2010/11/extremely-versatile-crockery/

    On November 3, 2010, former Biglaw associate Will Meyerhofer posted a piece entitled "Extremely Versatile Crockery." Take a look at this portion:

    "Why is a law degree not versatile?

    Let me count the ways.

    For one thing, it costs about $180k. Anything that leaves you two hundred grand in a hole is not increasing your “versatility” – it’s trapping you in hell.

    For another thing, studying arcane legal doctrine for three years (a purely arbitrary number) leaves you with no translatable skills. The arcane legal doctrine you learn in law school isn’t even useful at a law firm, let alone anywhere else.

    And let’s talk about the “skills” a lawyer “hones” in his “profession.”

    A litigator is about the worst thing you can be if you want to do anything else. Why? Let’s examine the skills you “master” as a litigator.

    Pumping up billables. Dragging out discovery. Dreaming up and laboriously penning pointless motions to create delay. Behaving in an oddly aggressive and hostile manner at meetings that end in a standstill. Organizing complicated information into folders, and folders of folders and labeling everything and organizing that into lists, and lists of lists, then billing for it by the hour. Researching recondite issues and writing memos you’re not even sure you understand. Wrapping your head around Byzantine procedural rules and forum and jurisdictional niceties and arbitrary court filing deadlines, all so you can trip up the other side with needless delay and expense.

    Okay. Now translate those skills into the real world, where people make products and sell useful services.

    See my point?"

    As a member of the JD Class of 2013, you were in your first year of “legal education” when this article appeared on ATL. When you received your first semester grades – and you saw that you were not in the top 10% of your class – you should have dropped out immediately.

    Those of you who continued the trek, with the rationale that you can “use your law degree to do something else,” should have read this article. Meyerhofer practiced Biglaw for several years, before returning to school and then becoming a psychotherapist. He is not an anonymous pussy, such as Mr. Insanity, who is encouraging others to take the law school plunge. Frankly, Meyerhofer – unlike the law school pigs - has no direct stake in whether you enroll. His advice was available to you, while you were a first year student/victim. In that entry, he CLEARLY showed that a JD is not versatile. When you are busy making lattes or waiting tables after graduation, you will learn this lesson personally.

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  26. Anyone not attendind a T-14 with substantial if not complete financilal support from their parents and/or business/political contacts from family is a fool and therefore deserves the destiny and despair awaiting for him.

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  27. Law schools are run by parasites. That much is clear.

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  28. Seriously, fuck the law school pigs. They literally do not give a shit about their students.

    If you enroll at this point then you are truly a Fucktard and deserve what's coming.

    And this top 10 per cent thing is bullshit. I've seen top 10 per centers passed over countless times because The Idiot Son who went to hofstra needed a summer job. Do you realize how frustrating it must be to BUST YOUR ASS and then lose out a summer clerkship because Tommy boy needs a job and his father knows a partner?

    Wake up idiots. Unless you're going to a T10 or have family contacts, avoid this crap shoot and corrupt, shitty profession.

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  29. I just want to point out that OLSS is now in full moderation mode, and it seems curious that Nando's alleged friends and moderators at OLSS are without question allowing the anon troll to slam Nando.

    And if Nando wants to reply, then I guess the OLSS gang will eventually claim that Nando and the troll are taking over the comments section.

    My recommendation is that Nando not expose himself to all of that.

    TTR can stand on its own legs and doesn't need OLSS, which is a hodgepodge or a mob of mostly writers that don't have the ability to just come out and say who the hell they are.

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  30. "He who is only a traveler learns things at second- hand and by the halves, and is poor authority."

    Henry David Thoreau

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  31. I now have my T4 JD... and $172k in debt. I failed the MPRE for Mass. and can't even take the bar this July because Mass. requires a passing MPRE score. I SHOULD have dropped out after first semester. I wish I had the balls to do that. Now, it's too late. I blame myself.

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  32. When will these idiots learn that, as with anything in life, the legal profession is all about who you know? Unless you have a family network and are almost certain you have a job somewhere BEFORE you even start law school, do not go to law school. I would have never even entertained the idea otherwise. If my family had been all cops and they could get me a job in the department, I would have done that. If they were all teachers and have gotten me a job in the school district, I would have done that.

    Wake up, assholes. You aren't special at all. Even the self-proclaimed "brilliant" 10%ers. Let me know how you feel when you lose out on a clerkship/summer associate position because someone called in a favor to a judge/partner to get a job for their idiot son. I've seen it a dozen times. Just recently at our firm a kid who is top 10% at seton hall didn't get the summer clerk position here because some partner's friend's son (dumbass, social retard at New York Law School) needed a summer job.

    Keep busting your ass for nothing.

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  33. Does anyone know what happened to JD Painter's blog?

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  34. Adam B,

    That “Calico Cat” link is dead. When you paste it into a new window, you receive the following message: Service Unavailable. In fact, the entire blog is now defunct. According to the RSS feed, this entry was published on August 28, 2004. At the time, it was likely the only warning to law school applicants. The economy was relatively okay, and the schools were still furnishing false or misleading employment "placement" statistics.

    That blogger is now writing as Half Sigma. He can be reached at the following address: xverumi@gmail.com. You can also try him at halfsigma@gmail.com. Perhaps, you can ask him to re-post the “Law school – the big lie” on his new wordpress site. I will email him later today to find out why in the hell he took that entry down.

    http://www.halfsigma.com/2006/06/wall_street_jou_1.html

    On June 23, 2006, he posted an entry labeled “Wall Street Journal agrees with me: law school is a big lie.” Take a look at this portion:

    “Cameron Stracher, author of Double Billing: A Young Lawyer's Tale of Greed, Sex, Lies and the Pursuit of a Swivel Chair, writes the following in today's Wall Street Journal, which is the only time I've ever seen a mainstream publication tell the real truth about law school:

    “The legal profession is really two professions: the elite lawyers and everyone else. Most of the former start out at big law firms. Many of the latter never find gainful legal employment. Instead, they work at jobs that might be characterized as "quasi-legal": paralegals, clerks, administrators, doing work for which they probably never needed a J.D.”

    Later on, the piece continued:

    “It's time those of us inside the profession did a better job of telling others outside the profession that most of us don't earn $160,000 a year, that we can't afford expensive suits, flashy cars, sexy apartments. We don't lunch with rock stars or produce movies. Every year I'm surprised by the number of my students who think a J.D. degree is a ticket to fame, fortune and the envy of one's peers - a sure ticket to the upper middle class. Even for the select few for whom it is, not many last long enough at their law firms to really enjoy it.

    There's something wrong with a system that makes a whole lot of people pay a whole lot of money for jobs that are not worth it, or that have no future. If we wanted to be honest, we would inform students that law school doesn't keep their options open. Instead, we should say that if they work hard and do well, they can become lawyers.”

    Half Sigma/Calico Cat figured out that law school was a losing game, for most law students. He was also the first person, that I can tell, who had the balls to come out and call out the law school pigs. According to his recollection, the WSJ piece “Law School by Default” was the first mainstream news source to document the shortcomings of U.S. “legal education.”

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115103273756588503-search.html

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    1. It's still available:

      http://www.calicocat.com/2004/08/law-school-big-lie.html

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  35. I'm hopelessly in debt and I have no future.

    No one will be attracted to my fractured sense of self and financial ruin.

    I am alone. This is no fun.

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  36. Law schools are parasites.

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  37. For Nando and especially @10:43AM:

    The student loan debt debacle is a great evil and keep your faith in God.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qep59A_RwKQ

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  38. Facts: Law School Pigs finessed employment statistics for years, getting rich off the lie and government loan money. After great recession, the lid was blown off the legal profession’s racket. Clients demand flat fees and commenced an all-out assault on the billable hour. The internet movement reveals true employment statistics and intelligent people stop going to law school. Desperate for income, the pigs expand enrollment and bottom out acceptance to include people who should never have been accepted to law school and have a snowball’s chance in hell of becoming an attorney. As a result, the legal profession turns glutted and students graduate unemployed en masse with six-figure, non-dischargeable debt.

    Issue: Should a retard, who has no connections in law and thinks he’ll beat the odds, attend law school?

    Holding and Reasoning: No. The employment prospects, coupled with the unbelievably offensive tuition and indebted future, suggest that a prospective law student would be better-served working as a steakhouse waiter.

    Rule: Unless one has a substantial scholarship, solid connections, or is accepted to a T10, they should not attend law school.

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  39. @2:13 pm,

    Thank you for the news. I am using an older web browser right now, and I can finally access the Calico Cat post above. Here is my favorite excerpt, from that excellent piece:

    "Outside of the top law schools, the only law school graduates having decent job opportunities will be those who graduated in the top ten percent of the class and who made law review. Law review and top ten percent are usually the same people because at most law schools the law review members are selected from those whose grades are in the top ten percent at the end of the first year. If like me, your grades weren’t in the top ten percent at the end of the first year, but you managed to graduate in the top ten percent, you are screwed because you weren’t on law review. Furthermore, most big law firms make offers to their summer associates, who get interviewed and hired during the second half of the second year, thus it’s mostly your grades during the first three semesters of law school that determine your entire legal future.

    If you are reading this, and you’re a law student who already received your first semester grades, and they aren’t top ten percent, then my advice is to drop out now instead of throwing more money down the law school black hole.

    Despite being warned that the only way to get a decent job in law if one attends a non-top 14 school is to make law review and the top ten percent, tens of thousands of suckers will enroll anyway. They think “I will be the one who makes the top ten percent” or “even if I don’t make the top ten percent, things will work out.” Let’s state the odds clearly: 90% of the class will not make the top 10%. You are not the only person in law school thinking they are going to bust their ass to make the top ten percent. 80% of the people start out thinking they are going to bust their ass. And some people from the 20% who are slackers are going to wind up in the top 10% too, because law school grades have a huge random element. One of the biggest slacker/party girls in my first year law school class made the top 10%. She wound up getting a high paying job at a big law firm because the law school gods decided to randomly grace her during her first semester."

    Check out his apt conclusion:

    “And it’s a lot easier to find a $29,000/year job with a bachelor’s degree than it is to find a $40,000/year job with a law degree.

    Even if you are one of the rare and lucky law school graduates who can obtain a six figure job at a big law firm, those jobs are rumored to suck. I can’t say much about this because I never worked at a big law firm, but according to what I’ve been told, a large percentage of the partners at big law firms are assholes who treat their associates like crap and make them work ridiculously long hours. Some of this may be unjustified whining, because I was treated like crap at a job where I was making $9/hour. Nevertheless, one needs to consider that the ultimate goal of law school, a big law firm job, attained by only a small percentage of law school graduates, may not be the great reward it’s supposed to be.

    I predict that some prospective law students will find this essay, read it, and not believe it. Because no matter how much you try to tell a prospective law student the truth about law, they don’t believe it. “Everyone knows” that lawyers make a lot of money, how can this be true? Believe me, it’s true, and if you attend law school you will learn this the hard way. Don’t waste three years of your life and go into tens of thousands of dollars of debt that can never be discharged in bankruptcy to find out that your career opportunities suck after all that. For the love of God, learn the truth now.”

    Special snowflakes/bitches keep the law school pigs well fed.

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  40. bout Student Debt:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100723709

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  41. LOSERS- you deserve this. I know that every time, every fucking time, someone told me they wanted to be an attorney, I told them it was a very bad decision. And, most other lawyers I know say the same thing. You were warned, and not just by Nando.

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  42. http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/05/16/five-myths-about-going-to-law-school/

    On May 16, 2007, Stephen Seckler posted a Penelope Trunk entry labeled "5 Myths about going to law school." Look at this stellar opening:

    "The cost of a legal education is now reaching stratospheric proportions. Anyone contemplating this enormous investment of time and money should think long and hard before applying.

    Here are five common myths about what law school will do for you:

    Myth 1: I’ll be able to use the law degree in whatever career I decide to choose.

    Go to law school if you want to be a lawyer. But don’t go if you believe it will “open doors” for you. It won’t. By the end of law school you may still have no idea what you “want” from your career; only now you are likely to limited by huge law school debt.

    Myth 2: I’ll get a job when I graduate law school.

    If you graduate near the top of your class from a top school, then your job prospects are likely to be strong. But if you have an average performance from a second-tier school, finding your first job may be a big challenge.

    Myth 3: I’ll get to be in court and try cases.

    Most lawyers never see the inside of a courtroom. About 95% of all civil law suits that are filed are settled before trial. Much of the work of a “litigator” involves reviewing documents, preparing court filings and negotiating with the lawyer from the other side of the case.

    Myth 4: I’ll be able to advocate for the little guy.

    If you are independently wealthy, you can advocate for the poor, fight for environmental justice, defend civil rights, etc. But if you are like the typical law school graduate today, you will finish with substantial debt. Public interest jobs are too low paying to accommodate a heavy debt burden. Some law schools have a debt-forgiveness program for people going into public interest jobs, but the salaries are so low that they are often hard to manage even in light of debt forgiveness.

    Myth 5: I’ll have intellectually challenging work.

    Early in your career, you will probably spend a lot of time reviewing documents all day rather than tackling great intellectual issues. Even litigators – many of whom go into law to argue exciting, constitutional issues — will spend most of their time researching mundane procedural issues at the beginning of their career."

    This advice was given more than three years before you entered law school, Class of 2013 lemming. What does Seckler know?! After all, he's only Managing Director of legal recruiting firm BCG Attorney Search. The author of the Calico Cat blog claims to have graduated in the top ten percent of his law class at Arizona State University. But you – who entered toilets such as Western New England College Sewer of Law and Crooklyn – know better than these men and women, right?!?!

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  43. In 2004 or '05, there was almost nothing online about law schools being a terrible gamble. Even that article from WSJ in 2006 was not much. You might've seen it is a newspaper trying to sell more papers. Were kids supposed to base their decision to go to law school on one critical article from a random blogger?

    By 2007 and 2008, there were others highlighting the scam. But the recession had just hit. Lots of students probably figured they would hide out the recession in law school and come out okay.

    But by 2009 and '10, the word was out about law school. Only a fucking idiot would've ignored all the warnings out there. And like someone else mentioned if you talked to most attorneys under 30, they would've told you the same thing.

    And you know what? The dumbshits that enrolled in fall 2010 and later would've ignored them, too. It's people like this that make it necessary for companies to put warning labels telling people not to hold the chainsaw from the wrong end. Or not to rock a vending machine.

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  44. "In the context of the massive threats to revenues law schools are now facing, it’s easy to see why the degree referred to by critics as a “cash cow” is growing in popularity at schools around the country. Although LLM students comprise less than 7 percent of law school enrollments, the total number of LLM degrees has risen 65 percent in the past decade, including, since the financial crash, an abundance of new programs aimed at U.S.-trained lawyers, such as Nebraska’s LLM in space law or NYU’s in environmental law. Given the lack of data and their generally poor reputation with big law firms, most lawyers and law students who’ve heard of the degree tend to view non-tax LLM programs as cash grabs.

    Law schools seem to have earned this cynical evaluation. Even after the 2007 financial crash that decimated legal jobs and dried up pay, many institutions continued claiming 90 percent or higher employment, failing to differentiate between grads’ six-figure Big Law jobs from servers pulling part-time shifts in restaurants (of which there were many)."

    http://prospect.org/article/llm-lawyers-losing-money

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  45. I graduated from Medical School in 1988. I make $340 K a year in a rural area as a medical specialist and Obamacare will not touch me.

    I love reading about lawyers in pain.

    Medicine, you see, is a real profession with real skills.

    My PSAT was 215, My SAT was 1420 (old style), My ACT was 33, I was in the top 1% of my huge Chicago SUBURBAN public school class, I won a full tuition scholarship to Texas Christian which I kept all 4 years, and got accepted to two US Medical Schools and did my residency training at UCLA. Upon LEAVING med school, I was guranteed a minimum of $180K my 1st year out---in 1993. I paid off ALL of my student loans in 1994.

    I could have EASILY gone to a top 5 law school had I put my talents that way. My MCAT was above the average at Harvard---my average individual score was above 11. I had one of the highest reboard scores in my specialty in the Nation in 2005, and I easily expect to repeat that in 2015.

    I'm a special snowflake. You are not.

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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g2dkDh4ov4

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  46. By the way, if you don't want to practice in the big cities, rural medical recruiters will be all over you, overing you jobs worth $250K or more with healthcare and other perks as you are recruited from residency.

    I have a great life, and I turn away most recruters because I LOVE my JOB, MY BOSSES, and the unusual and fascinating patients I get to treat, many of whom have complications that would stump Dr. House. Fortunately, compared to me, House is a dummy.

    Unlike Law, Medicine has an evergrowing need that will one day breakthrough attempts to control access. If you think babyboomers are going to accept rationing in their old age...

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    1. ....Hey Dr. Buck Rogers, you're beginning to sound like the medical Mr. Infinity. I'm happy you work in medicine and not law, but gloating doesn't work here.

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    2. Infinifool is an obsessed psycho. And he gets cranky when he doesn't suck a 10" dick. (The last ten guys he's sucked off were smaller than that.)

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  47. The law school horror stories are becoming so pervasive that it's like cancer: almost every family is effected by it. Between negative word of mouth, the internet, and turning up the heat on the pigs to show PURE, UNADULTERATED employment stats, the whole thing is going to come toppling down. Those of us duped before the internet got on this can only wish we had seen this blog before we took the plunge.

    Today, if you get accepted to law school and don't search on the internet and find this information, you are truly a fucking moron and deserve what is coming. The only people still going are retards and probably would have failed at life before law school. Only now they get to do it indebted forever.

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  48. “And it’s a lot easier to find a $29,000/year job with a bachelor’s degree than it is to find a $40,000/year job with a law degree."

    Can you imagine seeing that warning of a law school brochure?

    As much as I'd love to see it, I admit that it might not make much difference. After all, for forty years, the Surgeon General's warning on packs of cigaretted didn't deter very many smokers.

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  49. Mr. Infinity's momMay 10, 2013 at 8:17 PM

    My son is special indeed. He managed to go from community college to regular big boy college and then on to law school.

    He's overcome a lot in his personal life too. When he caught his wife screwing another man, he forgave her and moved on. He was too small and scared to take on his wife's large, muscular lover. So he stayed hid in the closet until they were done. Did he let that change his sunny outlook on life? No.

    He's the apple of my eye. If he thinks he's special, then he must be.

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    1. Mr. Infinity is a creampie eating cuckold.

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    2. I bet Mr. Infinity was jerking off in the closet watching some guy mount his wife like a stallion.

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    3. Now that you mention it, I thought I heard a faint whimper coming from the closet. But his wife was busy clenching my thighs while sucking my dick. So I didn't let his cries distract me.

      If he'd come out and tried something, I would've beat the shit out of him though. I can tell you that. (The best part was how his wife told me he was her loser brother.)

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  50. This "doctor" at 4:24 is a lying shitbag. Half the people in my family are doctors. My father was chairman of a department at Weill Cornell Medical College in NYC and he didn't even make that much money. And that's the NYC medical market. My cousin is a board certified vascular surgeon in Philly and he doesn't make that much money. You absolutely are not making that much money in a rural market, liar (assuming you are even a doctor and not some loser who comes on blogs with made up identities).

    Additionally, Obamacare is going to effect almost every field of medicine. The law firm I work at does healthcare and insurance law and we are currently advising our clients (doctors with their own practices, hospitals, and surgery centers) on how it will effect their businesses.

    You are nothing but a bitter, lying, fucked-up waste of space. And I'm no special snowflake, just a midlaw loser.

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    1. I agree that guy is a liar, I mean only a Narcissistic mentally ill doctor would come to a board like this and brag as he did, but yes Doctors make that kind of money IF they specialize. Orthopaedic Surgeons, Neurologist, Neurosurgeons, yes Vascular surgeons and heart surgeons, even dermatologists can make a lot of money. Medicine is however a miserable profession for many of the doctors out there, who hate their practices as much as many lawyers hate their practices. I know a Neurologist, very capable, who makes millions per year. But his son committed suicide in his teens, So you have to wonder if his practice and the time he spent in it was in the end any good for his family.

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  51. Derailed at My Law School: The Story of a Boner


    By now I think I have to start standing up for myself. I say that because I have always been, in the words of the dean of my law school: “A spineless, stupid little shit.”

    It was a cool, Monday morning in September when this story begins. I was alone, and busying myself with the nutty task of taping up a paper advertisement on a bathroom wall for a nutty blog I had created.

    In that blog I talk about my mundane and inconsequential experiences at a law school and narcissistically, because I think I am the only one to have ever had such experiences.

    The blog is aptly named “Law School Fail, the Mr. Infinity Blog.” It is called this because, well, to be honest, I am not the greatest law school student one has ever known, and I seem to like snakes and the devil and that is why the dean called me stupid and spineless.

    In fact, I am what one would call median, or maybe even a bit below median. It’s all the same at this point since I know that I am really a boner that plays video games.

    Anyway, I was in the restroom, hanging this paper flyer with the name of my blog in big bold black letters that I printed out from the law school’s very own printer.

    I wanted to hang it high in the crapper stall, so everyone could see it. Plus, I figured I could just come back into the restroom later on the next time I had to pinch a loaf and checkup to see if people are interested in the blog.

    Well………. the story really picks up at the moment the janitor walked in.

    He was tall, lanky, and clad in faded blue overalls, and he had a vague, far away demeanor, and had not shaved that morning and was sporting a scraggly face. His skin was light, and he had deep limpid blue and dreamy faraway eyes.

    'He is' I thought. 'A real, A real bona fide working class man, this one is.’ I thought snobbishly as the working class, whom I looked down upon with contempt, said to me, in a gruff voice:

    “What are you doing?”

    Sheepishly, I replied, "nothing."

    Story to be continued

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    1. ^ Haha, sounds like I'm going to have sex with the janitor.

      You should give him credit, though - he's doing honest work, and trying not to be a burden on society.

      Basically the complete opposite of you.

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    2. You should be glad for the favor I'm doing you. You'll start selling that book for a buck now I bet.

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  52. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/business/economy/student-loan-debt-weighing-down-younger-us-workers.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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  53. Nando, have a look at this if you get a chance. It is recent book review for a very interesting book about the history of debt, and written by an anthropologist:

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/may/09/debt-we-shouldnt-pay/

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  54. Anyone know what happened to JD Junkyard?

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  55. where do you people come from?...I'm sure not everyone's life is peaches and cream, but I work in a law firm and have plenty of family/friends who are lawyers (both old and young) and they all are happy people who enjoy their lives and jobs

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