Friday, August 2, 2013

Crack Open a Window: Fourth Tier Trash Pit Charleston School of Law Enters Management Agreement with InfiLaw


TTTT Announcement:

On July 25, 2013, the Post and Courier published Diane Knich’s piece entitled “Charleston School of Law enters into management services agreement; is sale next?” Look at this opening:

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130725/PC16/130729612/1177/charleston-school-of-law-to-be-sold

“The Charleston School of Law has entered into a management services agreement with InfiLaw System, an arrangement that sometimes can be the first step in a sale.

InfiLaw currently owns three other law schools: Charlotte School of Law, Florida Coastal School of Law and Phoenix School of Law. 

The Charleston School of Law on Thursday evening released a statement about the plan, about which speculation had been swirling all day in the local legal community. 

But the release did not describe what the law school’s future might look like, and spokesman Andy Brack said he could not elaborate due to regulatory reasons.” [Emphasis mine] 

A few paragraphs later, the author continued: 

“According to the release, the “alliance” with InfiLaw would give the school “access to pioneering programs and tools that will help it continue to provide students with excellence in teaching, strong faculty relationships, as well as opportunities for public service and community involvement.” Alex Sanders, one of the founders of the school, said that as of two days ago he no longer is chairman of the board, a member of its board or a co-owner of the school. 

He doesn’t know specifically what is happening there or whether the school ultimately will be sold. But, he said, “to sell a law school is a complicated thing. It could take months or years. It’s not like selling a loaf of bread.” [Emphasis mine]

Yes, this is the true hallmark of an elite and prestigious “institution of higher education,” right?!?! Hell, the sewer rats ought to throw in a few cases of cheap beer – in order to sweeten the deal.

CharlesTTTTon Law Pigs Have Entertained Offers for Years:

http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/charleston-school-of-law-students-bash-infilaw-deal/Content?oid=4689843

The Charleston City Paper printed an article from Paul Bowers, under the headline “Charleston School of Law has been in contact with InfiLaw for years” – in its July 31, 2013 edition. Review the revealing portion below:

“Hundreds of students and alumni showed up to Tuesday night's meeting, which was held in the Charleston Music Hall and included a panel of school administrators and InfiLaw leaders. 

What the audience did learn was that the leadership of the Charleston School of Law had already fielded some offers from other companies. Judge Robert S. Carr, a founding member of the school's board of directors, said that two private colleges had approached the board over the past five years about making "arrangements," but the deals fell through. Carr said the school also tried to become a nonprofit institution, but that plan also fell through. When a student criticized Carr and the directors for moving part of the school's base and structure to Florida, Carr responded that the board had looked for other options.

"First of all, my obligation is to the students," Carr said. "My obligation is to the faculty and staff. My obligation is to the business partners. The community comes fourth. We are trying to preserve the school community. What good would it do the community for this school to go away, to not exist?" [Emphasis mine]

Notice how Cockroach Robert Carr does not mention how pumping out several dozens of financially ruined law grads each year impacts the community.  Later on, Bowers reported:

“InfiLaw's reputation precedes it. While its three schools boast high employment rates for graduates, its admissions are also markedly less selective. According to lawschoolnumbers.com, Charleston School of Law accepted 50 percent of applicants for the Class of 2017, compared to 67 percent at Florida Coastal, 69 percent at Charlotte, and 73 percent at Phoenix.

InfiLaw schools have some critics from within their own ranks, too. At Phoenix School of Law, two former professors are suing the school after the administration allegedly announced a plan to eliminate tenure, change the curriculum, and require students to meet with an administrator before transferring to other schools.” [Emphasis mine]

Who the hell wouldn’t want to join with such a filthy, putrid, for-profit garbage “consortium”?!?! Keep in mind that Law School Numbers also counts non-legal positions, part-time jobs, and temporary work – when publishing a commode’s employment “placement” rate.

Other Coverage:

Elie Mystal posted a July 26, 2013 entry labeled “I Bet You Thought Going To Charleston Law Was Already Rock Bottom.” Check out this sharp right uppercut:

http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/i-bet-you-thought-going-to-charleston-law-was-already-rock-bottom/

“I imagine that students of the Charleston School of Law woke up this morning feeling a bit like exotic dancers who just found out that their strip joint was being sold to a whorehouse.

Charleston School of Law (CSOL) was already a pretty weak law school, charging $38,000 a year despite being unranked by U.S. News. Its employment stats and bar passage rates are often embarrassing. It’s “accredited” by the ABA because, well, the ABA will rubber-stamp institutions like this.

But yesterday the school announced that it was entering a “management services agreement” with a for-profit company, Infilaw Inc. Infilaw has not covered itself in glory. It owns Charlotte School of Law, Florida Coastal School of Law, and Phoenix School of Law. So to call Infilaw a “diploma mill” is being exceedingly kind to Infilaw.” [Emphasis mine]

Conclusion: The law school pigs are desperate to stay in business. THEY DO NOT GIVE ONE DAMN about the students or recent graduates. Their sole concern is to keep the gravy train of student loan money rolling along. In order to accomplish that goal, they need to get asses in seats. Due to fewer applications, the bastards see that they need to merge with existing law schools, sell out to for-profit trash pits, or partner with universities that do not currently have an ABA-accredited dung heap. Does anyone with an IQ above room temperature still view law school as anything more than a jobs program for failed attorneys known as "professors"?!

41 comments:

  1. So now infilaw is going to own four pieces of shit? Disgusting.

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    1. They were planning to open another 1300 student law school in Arlington, Virginia, according to what I read. The plan, shockingly, fell through.

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  2. Why are the Charleston students upset? They went to a fourth tier school. And this is not going to change that status.

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  3. If I go out and buy a bunch of trailers and get a fax machine and get ABA approval, do you think I could get Infilaw to purchase my law school?

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  4. "THEY DO NOT GIVE ONE DAMN about the students or recent graduates. Their sole concern is to keep the gravy train of student loan money rolling along. In order to accomplish that goal, they need to get asses in seats."

    If it will help anyone, possibly young, who is about to go into their second year and with less than stellar first year grades, here is old law school transcript once more:

    http://studentdebtanonymous.blogspot.com/2013/07/your-1l-year-is-over-how-were-your.html

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  5. Infilaw - law schools that anyone can attend.

    special offer: If you call in the next 20 minutes, we'll toss in a free football phone and a juicer. Supplies limited. Call now!!!

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  6. For Paul Campos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCSvNZWpXaM

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  7. How about the Florida Space Coast Law school?:

    http://abovethelaw.com/2013/01/florida-space-coast-school-of-law-not-an-onion-headline/

    Uh Oh:

    http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20121201/NEWS/312019987



    DAYTONA BEACH— The old police department on Nova Road that's been sitting vacant for nearly four years will not be getting a new lease on life as a law school.

    City officials say since March they have mistakenly been telling the three business partners from Jacksonville who wanted to open a law school in the 50-year-old complex that the buildings had about 55,000 square feet of usable space. A recent appraisal revealed the tan brick buildings offer just under 38,000 square feet, not enough for the kind of law school the partners want.

    "We're somewhere between shell-shocked and disappointed," said Jacksonville attorney Eric Smith, a partner on the project and a former state legislator. "We had started to look for contractors."

    "Basically we mis-invested a lot of money and time trying to put 10 pounds of sugar in a five-pound bag," said Jim Catlett, executive vice president of Infinity Global Solutions, a Jacksonville development company.

    Catlett and Smith say they'll look for another building in Daytona Beach now, but it will have to be bigger. Catlett said an accredited law school would need at least 55,000 square feet, but a better size would be more like 75,000-80,000 square feet to comfortably fit a law library, classrooms and offices.

    City leaders say they had relied on old information about the buildings and didn't realize until the appraisal was done that they had unwittingly been passing along bum figures that were off by 45 percent. The floor area was never a priority issue during several meetings, so the mistake lingered, said Deputy City Manager Paul McKitrick.

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  8. When is the Thomas Cooley Law Shitter going up for sale?

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  9. Yet, another law school I am not familiar with, there are so many. Nando, you should check out Miles Law School, non-ABA, in Birmingham, AL. Miles has actually had a zero percent pass rate for the Bar. The Dean of the law school defends the law school even with such abysmal pass rates. It is a joke. How can a dean defend a zero percent bar pass rate? ATL had a story about it the other day.

    "Records from the Alabama Bar passage rankings for the past three years show the low number for Miles last summer is not a fluke. In 2011, Miles had 26 students sit for the bar, and none of them passed. The year before, 24 students took the bar and just three passed."

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  10. http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2013/07/charleston-law-.html

    On July 27, 2013, Paul Caron published a TaxProf blog article entitled “Charleston Law School Signs Management Agreement With InfiLaw. Is Sale Next?” Look at the following text:

    “Less than a month after Ken Randall left the Alabama Deanship to join InfiLaw, the firm has entered into a Management Services Agreement with for-profit Charleston School of Law, becoming the fourth law school in InfiLaw's stable (joining Charlotte, Florida Coastal, and Phoenix). Does InfiLaw have other kettles in the fire? Its website has gone black, saying only "Important Announcement Coming Soon! Please check back soon for an important announcement!"

    I remember seeing that the InfiLaw site went in this mode. In the end, the bastards simply could have announced right away - on their web pages - that they were purchasing another FOURTH TIER trash pit.

    Karen Sloan’s piece, “Charleston School of Law Comes Under New Management,” appeared in the July 26, 2013 edition of the National Law Journal. Check out her opening:

    “It appears that The InfiLaw System is expanding its for-profit law school empire.

    Administrators at the Charleston School of Law announced on July 25 that they had entered into a management-services agreement with InfiLaw, which owns and operates the Phoenix School of Law, Charlotte School of Law and Florida Coastal School of Law.
    The officials stopped short of describing the affiliation as a sale, but suggested that InfiLaw would take over the school’s operations.

    Numerous calls to InfiLaw were not returned.

    Charleston law dean Andy Abrams said in a written statement that the arrangement would give students access to more courses and job placement services.”

    As soon as I first heard of this deal, I immediately said that the InfiLaw pigs were adding to their TTTT empire. At least, these for-profit cockroaches are open about why they are in the “higher education” business. In contrast, “educators” and administrators at supposed “non-profit” univer$itie$ and college$ claim that they want to “expand minds” and “serve the public”- while they financially rape the students.

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  11. Here is the complaint filed by the 2 professors from Phoenix: http://www.abajournal.com/files/PhoenixlaSuit.pdf

    This fall, Florida Coastal will implement a similar program - - JD+ (the website states that it is a curriculum that focuses on providing a customized legal education for each student and offering more opportunities for experiential learning.)

    Over the last month, Coastal offered many of its faculty and staff members severance packages to either go away or be fired.

    http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-07-02/story/florida-coastal-school-law-cuts-about-dozen-employees

    The "encouaged retirements" have continued since the publication of that July 2 article.

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    1. At my shithole TTT, the professors couldn't be bothered to help recent graduates looking for jobs with phone calls or letters. Uh, for that matter, outside of extremely limited office hours (6 hrs per week class, max. + maybe 2 hrs. office - maybe...) they couldn't even be found.

      A month before graduation, they would call everyone to a 1-on-1 "counseling session" about their loans. The session consisted of them showing you an amort. schedule detailing your loans.

      What a kick in the head..

      By 2nd, 3L, the wool over most people's eyes had been lifted (I assume..) including mine.

      Graduation was like waiting for the other shoe to drop.

      Loans were coming in 6 months. The Bar'Zam was looming after 2 and a half months of Bar Bri and 10 hr. a day marathon study sessions.

      And the best part of all?

      You go into it all with no job. After 3 years of time and hard study.. Your reward is: MORE SHIT.

      More money for Bar Bri. More money for resumes and job searching. More money for housing. No job. 6-figure loans coming due. No promises and even no real hype of any kind of security at some point down the road.

      The last day of class when you walk out and those doors close behind you, you know - YOU'VE BEEN HAD.

      And now?

      Are we supposed to feel fucking sorry for these lame-ass sonavabitch hypocritical law professors who never had a real job in their lives and are now getting the same treatment we got?

      I don't think so.

      Not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot is it?

      And don't give me the bullshit straw argument of "You'd do it too if you were a professor..."

      The difference is they know that their lifestyles are paid for by students who have borrowed and mortgaged their futures. The difference is that in many cases, a lot of them are Chosen who have resumes from T-10, hell T8 and T3 schools that SHOULD be out in Real Jobs in the Real World instead of living off academia.

      They have the credentials yet consciously make and made the choice to leech in teaching positions.

      We can't do what they did because the majority do not have the credentials. Period. These scum knowingly choose to leech vs. compete in the private sector.

      So don't give me that shit.

      Good on us that we (and by "we" I mostly mean NANDO because he's been the leader of the Charge) are starting to bring this scam to a better end and bring this fraudulent industry and scummy people down.

      Kudos to the Scambloggers.

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  12. lol. barista crowd is fucked.

    http://austinist.com/2013/07/31/the_robots_are_coming_for_your_bari.php

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  13. Infilaw = Infiflaw

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  14. Anyone going to school now deserves what they get. The info has been out there for years. We need to quit financing this shit. And make those professors get real fucking jobs.

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  15. The schools really are set in their ways. The assholes never lower tuition. Which would be in their best interests. Fucking idiots.

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  16. Just wondering what you guys at TTR think of this. I just graduated with a bachelor's degree. I'm not going to law school because the debt load is obviously a trap. Now I'm thinking of applying for a PhD program. Is that a good idea? PhD programs are fully funded and you get a stipend while going to school. I have no interest in law school I'd teach history

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    1. Ph.D. in what? Is it something you can practice for a living (engineering, psychology) or something where your only option is to be a professor? Faculty positions are always very competitive and often are located in the middle of nowhere.

      Higher education is in for some rough times--law schools are just the tip of the spear, canary in the coal mine, or whatever other analogy you wish to use. The student loan bubble is going to burst soon.

      You should do what prospective law students are advised to do. Get info on all the graduates, for the last few years, of the Ph.D. program you are looking at. You should be able to contact them all with info you can find on the internet. Ask them what they do for a living and if they would make the same decision again. See how many of them are actually in jobs you would want to get after completing the program.

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    2. In history. My undergrad was in history as well. Didn't learn any marketable skills and the only jobs I am qualified for require only a high school diploma. Kind of in a crappy situation. I got conned by self interested professors. Waste of 4 years of my youth and 30k. Trying to make the best of the situation that's why I considered a PhD.

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    3. I'm in a similar position as @9:54. my Undergraduate degree is in a worthless, liberal arts field. I was thinking about going to North Dakota and getting an oil job to pay off my undergrad debt. The jobs around my neck of the woods pay embarrassingly low. Thoughts?

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    4. Kinda relate to OP. I had ambitions to get more "education" but at this point it all just seems like a sham. It seems that all the college degrees that are actually worth getting require a good amount of quantitative skills that I don't possess and have no inclination to learn. I'm sure many people fit into this category (Good research, writing, verbal, speaking skills but medicre or uninterested in math and math orienated science)

      In my opinion the reason why people go to law school... students have worthless undergraduate degrees, can't find descent jobs, think their "smart" so they double down and go to law school. Even though law school is a huge rip off in terms the of the debt load, even the allure of the 50k median annual pay and the "prestige" of being an attorney is much more desirable than flipping burgers at wendys making a measly 15k and being the laughingstock of the community. Having a bachelors degree makes you even more of a laughable loser at high school level jobs, a sucker of the academia mafia, and a debt slave to sallie mae.

      Btw, my undergraduate alma mater advertised a 50k average salary of alumni who had the same major as myself. What a fable. Glad I participated in lining my "educators" pockets. Now, law schools are claiming that 50k starting salary. I think...I could be wrong...but a wise man said history repeats itself...Naw, go to law school, soak up fivefold the debt, and get that "prestigious," $25 an hr job, you sappy basterds.

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  17. I would expect to see more of this. The pigs are in a tough spot with declining applications. There are simply fewer applicants overall for which they have to compete with all the other schools. I expect more mergers like Rutgers is planning. I wouldn't be surprised if more and more TT and TTT schools merge that are geographically close (i.e., Hofstra and Tuoro, etc.). No reason why Long Island needs 2 law schools.

    Seriously though, I wouldn't be surprised if the next big law school pig move to stay afloat is mergers. I love see these bastards squirm.

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  18. @9:54 pm,

    Head to the Higher Education? blog entry labeled "THE ECONOMIST Exposes PhD Overproduction, Citing “Higher Education?” Check out this excerpt below:

    http://highereducationquestionmark.com/?p=1403

    “But universities have discovered that PhD students are cheap, highly motivated and disposable labour. With more PhD students they can do more research, and in some countries more teaching, with less money. A graduate assistant at Yale might earn $20,000 a year for nine months of teaching. The average pay of full professors in America was $109,000 in 2009—higher than the average for judges and magistrates.

    Indeed, the production of PhDs has far outstripped demand for university lecturers. In a recent book, Andrew Hacker and Claudia Dreifus, an academic and a journalist, report that America produced more than 100,000 doctoral degrees between 2005 and 2009. In the same period there were just 16,000 new professorships. Using PhD students to do much of the undergraduate teaching cuts the number of full-time jobs. Even in Canada, where the output of PhD graduates has grown relatively modestly, universities conferred 4,800 doctorate degrees in 2007 but hired just 2,616 new full-time professors. Only a few fast-developing countries, such as Brazil and China, now seem short of PhDs.”

    Think about those odds, for a moment. Take time to reflect on the numbers. According to Hacker and Dreifus, between 2005 and 2009, MORE THAN 100,000 PhDs were awarded - while in the same period only 16,000 new professor positions were created. Plus, you know that tenured professors – at many universities - tend to hold onto their academic posts well into their 70s. That equates to nearly SEVEN doctoral degree holders competing for EACH new professor opening.

    I own this book, and it is a stinging indictment against the entire U.S. "higher education" $y$tem. It covers a lot of ground, including the fact that univer$itie$ and college$ are relying more heavily on TAs, graduate students, adjunct faculty and associate professors - with each passing year.

    The greedy bastards who run these "institutions of higher learning" are always seeking to cut costs - so that they can spend more on new buildings, massive libraries and student centers. As such, these schools are starting to move away from the tenure model.

    In the end, these are worse odds than those facing law students – at least in terms of the job market. If a typical PhD does not get an academic post, then what the hell is he or she going to do for a living?!?! At least, many of those students often get stipends or significant scholarships. As others have noted, DO NOT get a PhD unless you LOVE academic learning and don’t really care about your job prospects. Those from wealthy families are best suited for this venture.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/culturebox/2013/04/there_are_no_academic_jobs_and_getting_a_ph_d_will_make_you_into_a_horrible.html

    You should also take a look at Rebecca Schuman’s piece “Thesis Hatement,” which appeared in the April 5, 2013 edition of Slate. Here is the money quote:

    “I now realize graduate school was a terrible idea because the full-time, tenure-track literature professorship is extinct. After four years of trying, I’ve finally gotten it through my thick head that I will not get a job—and if you go to graduate school, neither will you.”

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  19. @ 9:54-

    I strongly discourage you from going into a PhD program outside of the "hard sciences." I have a friend who received his PhD in History from a tier 1 school. He bounced around teaching at third tier colleges in New England. Not sure what he's doing now but I believe he's an adjunct somewhere. Mind you, he was some kind of scholar (I think Fulbright) and received a grant to study in Europe. Really bright guy and it's been tough for him.

    Another friend of mine just finished his PhD in Economics from an Ivy League school and was fortunate enough to get a staff job at another Ivy League school. But that's the IVY LEAGUE. So unless you get into a program there, don't bother. He's also currently living alone in a city where he knows absolutely no one. He got a professor job but he's lonely and unhappy in a city by himself with no friends/family.

    I agree with Nando that the employment prospects for PhD candidates is far worse than law graduates. As a PhD, you have to go where the university jobs are. So if the only offer you get is on the other side of the country, well, good luck to you. Being a lawyer is no picnic these days but at least as a licensed attorney you are able to start your own practice if you plainly cannot get a job at a firm (any size), in govt., or as a judge's clerk. Sure, it'll be a rough road, and you may fail, but at the very least you have the ability to walk into a professional field whereas with a PhD in History you can't do anything outside of university teaching. You'll be overqualified for public schools. Maybe you could get into a private high school, but the pay is terrible. If you are lucky you'll swing a handful of adjunct posts at various area colleges to piece together a salary. But guess what? No benefits or tenure.

    Lastly, PhD programs are almost 6 years long. That's double the time/cost of a law degree with worse job prospects and no ability to start your own business and at least work for yourself. Nando is also right about univer$ity dean$ selfishly using PhD candidates to teach undergrads to cut costs and feed their fat salaries. Lots of professors are retiring but they're being replaced with non-tenure-tracked, part-time, benefit-less, adjuncts. Don't think that getting a PhD means you won't have to hustle.

    Don't go to law school or grad school if you don't know what you want to do with your life. You're better off being unemployed for a year figuring yourself out or working as garbage man instead of accruing more student debt in law/grad school because of some self/family/society-imposed sense of urgency to "get on with life." You'll regret it forever.

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    1. What do you think the odds of landing a descent professor job would be going to Northwestern for a History PhD?

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  20. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau's Richard Cordray RE: Student Loan Debt

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2013/08/04/cfpb-student-loan-debt-cordray/2609467/

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  21. You've put good info out there. Now anyone can Google law school and see thousands of articles critical of law school.

    Anyone going to law school today is a fucking moron and they deserve what they get.

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  22. I agree with 11:47 AM.

    In particular:

    "Don't go to law school or grad school if you don't know what you want to do with your life. You're better off being unemployed for a year figuring yourself out or working as garbage man instead of accruing more student debt in law/grad school because of some self/family/society-imposed sense of urgency to "get on with life." You'll regret it forever."

    As far as STEM careers, read these:

    http://www.brainflash.com/content/articles/2013/06/10/the-inconvenient-truth-about-stem-careers-part-one/

    and

    http://www.brainflash.com/content/articles/2013/06/12/the-inconvenient-truth-about-stem-careers-part-two/

    Take note of the language:

    "Business Insider recently discussed that the shortage should be termed “STEM majors who have the skills that Silicon Valley needs, who are willing to work for a price Silicon Valley wants to pay.” This supports the observation from Forbes and the other data."

    This is no different than law or how any other business today operates. The business isn't interested in your standard of living or providing a job or security. Labor has no leverage over capital today.

    You will top out quickly and be subject to the whims of fickle, greedy employers after investing substantial time and effort as well as incurring the debt. Again, no different than law.

    Again, 11:47 AM understands and I suggest you give serious thought to any kind of grad school today before attending. Social mobility is largely a thing of the past now.

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    1. Interesting. What do you think of going to medical school? even doctors from no-name schools usually make 160k. Yeah, it's a lot of schooling but what is there to do in the meantime? work menial labor at minimum wage?

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    2. Look 3 links down on the right column here: Education Bubble and Scam Report.

      Forbes article about the hardest jobs to fill:

      http://www.educationbubbleandscamreport.com/2013/08/forbes-article-about-hardest-jobs-to.html

      As I have been saying for years, more education is not the answer. Unsurprisingly (to me anyway..) its the trades that make money. So-called "blue-collar" work that is in demand. Demand = more money.

      This is because the work cannot be outsourced and requires skills that involve physical use of tools and expeience in building and doing work to get projects done correctly and on time.

      You seem to have no idea what you want to do. You're all over the field, from teaching with a Ph.D. to now med. school.

      You probably have a Bachelor's in a Lib. Arts. field or minor sciences at best. Fine. Don't compound the mistake. Go learn a trade. Swallow your pride, forget the crap everyone has told you your whole life until this point, go learn a trade in a relatively short period of time. It won't cost much. You'll save time, and most importantly not wind up being in 6-figure debt up to your eyeballs for life.

      Teaching is dead now for all but those at the top (administrators are where the money's at...)

      Med-school is a 4-year tour followed by a grueling internship then residency, both of which you must complete to be licensed as an M.D. This is where the majority who will wash out wash out.

      It's no picnic.

      Secondly, the debt alone will put you in 6-figures easily by the time you're done. Med. is about $55k per year (US).

      That game is best played by people who come from families where their parents are doctors. Same with dentistry too.

      Those are the people who can walk into a practice, pay down the debt (which they likely had help with from Mom and Dad anyway as they were going, so prob. minimal) and enjoy their 30's and beyond in high-paying careers.

      If you are talking trying med. school as just some unconnected person, the odds are against you. You have no backing.

      It's all about backing in life. The young docs you see living well come from families of doctors, by and large. Same with the majority of lawyers, dentists, accountants, etc.

      Go get a trade. Forget the time and debt. Get to work when your done. Take as many jobs and certifications as you can. Learn. And make money.

      Period.

      Forget being a striver. It doesn't work.

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  23. I think that the ones who will suffer the most pursuing a law degree are the students with serious physical disabilities. They know they cannot work as a Fed Ex driver, cop, construction worker, or mechanic. So they see law schools paying lip service to "diversity" and complying with equal opportunity laws in the law school advertisings. The disabled students think that getting a law degree will solve their problems. Fact is if these disabled students graduate from a non-elite law school and send resumes, those resumes will be thrown in the garbage as soon as the law firm seed the law school on the resume. The law office will not even know the graduate is disabled or a member of a minority because no interview will even be offered. Its easy for a law firm to claim they denied someone employment based on the low rank of the graduates law school. And the law schools career services could care less about the unfortunate grad. All the ABA and NALP claims of promoting diversity is just touchy geeky rhetoric.

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  24. The New Republic has a great cover story on the dire situation of attorneys. It is another mainstream media article which supports Nando and the other scambloggers.

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  25. http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20130805/PC16/130809677/1009/charleston-school-of-law-alumni-want-answers-on-possible-sale-of-school-to-infilaw-system&source=RSS

    The Post and Courier published a follow-up story, also from reporter Diane Knich, on August 5, 2013. The piece was entitled "Charleston School of Law alumni want answers on possible sale of school to InfiLaw System." Read the following segment:

    "Lawyers who graduated from Charleston School of Law are lawyering up.

    The school’s Alumni Board has hired Charleston lawyer Peter Wilborn to represent the group as it struggles to learn more about the school’s possible sale to InfiLaw System, a for-profit company that owns three other law schools.

    Charleston School of Law leaders late last month announced that they had entered into a management services agreement with InfiLaw; such arrangements sometimes are the first step in a sale.

    Since then, law school leaders and InfiLaw representatives have refused to answer questions about whether a sale is in the works."

    Now, check out these comical concluding remarks from the article:

    "Wilborn said the Charleston School of Law was launched and promoted to students as a school that was centered in the community and had a public-service mission. Many students enrolled because the founders of the school had strong ties to the legal community in South Carolina, he said. And that’s important when it comes to students landing jobs, he said.

    “To get a job in this market, it’s all about reputation and networking,” he said. “A legal diploma without the other stuff is not worth the tuition.”

    Wilborn said he’s not weighing in on the quality of InfiLaw schools. But changing the Charleston school’s community focus now would be “a massive slap in the face and a massive step backward,” he said.

    “This law school was set up to be something different,” Wilborn said. “The legal community embraced that vision. Now that vision isn’t being realized.”

    In the end, Charle$TTTTon Sewer of Law was a fourth tier pile of garbage before the agreement with for-profit InfiLaw. It will remain in the fourth tier wasteland. The toilet's supposed "commitment to the community" and its “public service mission” amount to mere rhetoric. People attend law school so that they can enter a professional career. The job prospects simply do not justify the existence of this garbage heap – or any other TTTT in the country.

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    1. Interestingly, the other Infilaw schools are in fairly large cities: Phoenix, Jacksonville and Charlotte. The Charleston market is a fraction of the size of these others. They have enough trouble assimilating these graduates as it is, and they only have scraps over which the Infilaw graduates can fight. In Charleston, there are barely even any scraps.

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  26. If the generations following the boomers are doomed, as so many of these publications seem to indicate, does that not mean the USA is doomed? Harry Dent has written a book about the great Crash to come based on demographics. Essentially, as the boomers age out of spending money and instead downsize their lives, who is going to come up behind the boomers to keep the economy rolling along? If the younger generations have nothing but loans and no jobs, where does that leave our economy in ten years? Perhaps it is time to get completely out of the stock market?

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    1. There is definitely a growing body of literature suggesting that changing demographics will doom the USA, and Europe for that matter. It's a difficult, race-sensitive subject that no one wants to touch with a ten foot poll. But if we are to become a minority-majority nation in one generation what happens if that generation is uneducated, frustrated, and has no sense of worth? Remember how white flight destroyed the cities of yesteryear (Baltimore, Atlanta, Philly, Newark, etc.)? Detroit just filed for bankruptcy. In NYC, only 37% of Black/Hispanic males are graduating from high school. If that generation is to be the majority one day, where does that leave that city in 10-20 years? The White kids are graduating, but with leviathan loans, and they'll have no money to invest, buy homes, or contribute in any meaningful way financially to a society and economy. The higher education pigs ruined this next generation to get rich.

      A portion of the law school scam that often goes un-talked about is the plight of the minority student. Almost all law firms are dominated by whites. Corporate America is dominated by whites. The judiciary, at least in NJ where I'm from, is dominated by whites. Maybe a sprinkling of Latinos/Blacks but I'd bet that at least 85% of the judiciary in my state is white (not one minority on the State Supreme Court either).

      Minority students often get plenty of scholarship opportunities so they may not be as indebted as their white counter-parts, but not every minority student gets a full scholarship. Ultimately lots of minority students never get firm jobs and justice centers that do minority-focused work (i.e., immigration) pay next to nothing. Many of these TTTTs like Charleston prey on minorities who might not have had the marks to get into TT/TTT law schools. Of course, the law school pigs have no morals so if exploiting your skin color or sense of social justice is enough to get you in a seat they'll do it in a heart beat.

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  27. Why don't we just say what is true...as whites die a slow death because the men won't marry because they can't achieve like they expect to because of loans and minority pandering and white women don't want a broke man or choose not to have babies, the blacks and Hispanics, many of which aren't even culturally American, will become the majority.

    Show me one country in this world where blacks or Hispanics are the majority and the country is a desirable place to be. Our countries future is at best Spain, at worst Zimbabwe, and likely South Africa. In 20 years, the last thing that will matter is law school. Our country is getting worse and the elite have to get all the money they can now.

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    1. I have often had the same thoughts myself. It is not yet acceptable to discuss these issues openly, but as these risks become more imminent, that will change.

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  28. WITF do people use the term "Minority" when they are the "Majority" in and vice versa. PC gone mad. Yes, Honkey's are done for, but when they numerically are the lesser then they are not "Majority" are they ?

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