Sunday, December 1, 2013

Profiles in Academic Excrement: Ryan Calo, Assistant “Law Professor” at the University of Washington

The Bastard’s “Argument”: On November 24, 2013, a sewer rat called Ryan Calo wrote a piece for Forbes, with the idiotic headline “Why Now Is A Good Time To Apply To Law School.”  Before listing his three $elf-$erving reasons for applying, Cockroach Calo states that his remarks are addressed to “those who think they want to be lawyers someday and are simply not pulling the trigger on applying because of all the bad news.”

In the swine’s own words:

“1. Fewer applicants means schools compete fiercely for decent students.

A law school faced with fewer applicants must either lower its admissions standards or shrink its class size. (University of Washington, where I work, has chosen the latter.) Regardless, schools are competing feverishly for good students. An applicant who, a few years ago, would have been wait-listed at a top twenty school, may now find herself with a scholarship. A smaller class size, meanwhile, unless offset by layoffs or a long hiring freeze, translates into more individual attention for the students that do enroll. 

2. A lot of law jobs will be opening up over the next five to ten years.

My parents are part of a large generation so large they are known as the Baby Boomers. My father retired last month and my mother plans to retire soon. Even if people work longer than in the past, many (many) people will be leaving the workforce in the next five to ten years. Some of these people will be lawyers. The demographics are such that knowledgeable folks like the head of the Washington Bar Association are predicting a market gap. They worry that future demand for legal services will not be met by a dwindling supply.

3. Reports of the death of the legal market are greatly exaggerated.

One premise of these predictions is that clients are moving away from relying on enormous law firms that bill them by the hour. A second is that technology is changing the face of legal services in ways that eliminate lawyerly tasks, such as the drafting of a will.

Both of these claims are true. I just don’t know what they prove.” [Emphasis mine]

Analysis: Let’s break down this academic thief’s “case” for applying to law school now.

Regarding point one, Aaron Nathaniel Taylor - “professor” at Saint Louis University Sewer of Law - made the same weak-ass argument back on October 11, 2011.  In that NaTTTional Juri$TTT opinion piece, he stated the following:

“And if applications fall again during the 2011-2012 cycle, as predicted, applicants will find themselves in a very favorable environment for gaining admission. At some schools, applicants who would have been considered “borderline” just two years ago might be shoo-ins for admission this year. So the strategic benefit of applying during a string of down years is worth ample consideration.”

Take a look at this Average Law Student Indebtedness chart, provided by US “News” & World Report, for the JD Class of 2012.  Keep in mind that these figures do not account for interest that accrues while the student is enrolled.  They also exclude student debt from undergrad.  How in the hell does the typical unconnected law student benefit by incurring an additional $120K-$180K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt?!?!

Check out this Oregon State Bar bulletin labeled “Restaging the Third Act: Baby Boomer Attorneys Diversify Career Option as They Reach Their 60s.”

In short, older attorneys don’t retire.  This is white collar work, consisting mostly of shuffling paperwork.  The article notes that old-ass lawyers do the following: reduce their work schedule and hours; continue as independent consultants; and work from home.  Again, we are talking about greedy Boomer pigs who do not want to see their income shrink.

Calo’s second “argument” is comical.  In fact, I had to suppress my laughter.  Ryan, if you truly believe your own drivel, then you need to be committed to a hospital for the clinically stupid.  Your argument is akin to the following: “You should climb into a lion cage at the zoo.  All of them will be well fed.  Many of them will be old and weak.”

By the way, Ass-Hat: are those Washington State Bar cockroaches aware that Economic Modeling Specialists Inc. showed that their state has the 20th most GLUTTED lawyer job market in the country?!  In particular, Washington will have an estimated 619 annual attorney openings from 2010-2015.  In 2009 alone, 935 passed the state’s bar exam.

Lastly, Calo’s third point is a straw man.  None of the scam-bloggers has stated that the legal market is dying.  We have simply pointed out that it is GLUTTED.  This means that tons of law graduates each year are competing for fewer attorney jobs.  For example, the JD Class of 2012 had 46,346 members - all competing for a total of 28,567 positions where bar passage was required!  Do you see how that impacts students, dolt?!?!

Hell, you accepted reality and admitted that fewer Biglaw clients are relying on the billable hour and that technology is eating away at lawyer tasks.  If you cannot figure out the effects of these two developments, Ryan, then you have no business teaching others anything.

Conclusion: Ryan Calo DOES NOT GIVE ONE DAMN about you, the law student or recent graduate.  He doesn’t care what happens to you upon graduation.  If you end up in doc review, selling insurance, waiting tables, or serving up lattes, it does not concern him in the slightest.  Note that this rodent DID NOT ONCE MENTION student debt, in his entire piece.  He merely wants to spread the lie that now is a good time to apply to - and enroll in - law school.  Remember, this jackal makes a living off of fools’ decision to attend his commode.


  1. Telling young people that now is a good time to apply to law school is like telling people to invest in Enron.

  2. Calo like Dean Leduc, are jackals who constantly sing the same lying tune: "What will happen when 1M lawyers retire en masse? There will be a disastrous shortage of attorneys and the legal system will have a Hiroshima moment."

    This is a lie. Lawyers don't retire, at least not like they did 30 years ago. I use to be one of those lawyers who thought of retiring after 30 years of practice. As I close in on 30 years in this profession, which is only getting worse thanks to avaricious goons like Calo and Leduc, I realize I will never retire because I cannot afford to. I took a serious hit in the real estate collapse in 2008, my 401K lost 60% of its value during the 2009-2011 recession (which is still ongoing) and paying for my 2 kids' college education wiped out a substantial chuck of my savings. The bottom line is I won't be able to retire because I cannot afford to. Judges also don't retire. Why do you think Jonathan Lippman in NY is fighting mandatory retirement for judges in NY State? Being a judge is a cushy job (not as plush as being a law professor), and in most cases these elderly judges are getting a double windfall by collecting a paycheck as well as their pension check. Why would anyone walk away from 2 paychecks?

    I used to fantasize about retirement but it is a unicorn dream. I once knew a DOJ attorney who retired after 35 years of service. At his retirement party, the retiring attorney told me that he was looking forward to watching all the movies and reading all the books he missed out on while working for the government. Well after 8 months, I was surprised to see the attorney back at his old job. When I asked him about his retirement, he said "I got bored and missed the action."

    The reality is that lawyers don't retire until they naturally check out. Unless Calo and Leduc are planning on mass lawyer genocide, there will be no attorney shortage that "threatens to decimate" the legal profession. This is yet another lie of desperate confidence men who are concerned their gravy train is about to get derailed.

  3. It's clear that many law schools are desperate for students. It's also clear that law schools (and particularly lower-ranked law schools) are becoming increasingly frantic as the number of applications continues to drop.

    Unfortunately for law schools, the needs of their overpaid, under-worked professors and administrators are at cross-purposes with the needs of prospective students, most of whom now recognize that law school is a terrible investment.

    With all of this in mind, I propose a modest solution: Instead of prospective students applying to law schools, law schools should start applying to prospective students.

    Just as law schools have established application criteria in the past, prospective students should now create their own criteria. If I were creating an application checklist for prospective law schools, it would look something like this:

    1. A completed application submitted on or before December 15th.

    2. Notarized transcripts showing the school's first time bar passage rates for the last five years, as well as long-term job placement rates for full-time positions requiring a J.D.

    3. A personal statement, not to exceed three pages, which describes exactly how a degree from the applying law school will enhance my career prospects. The personal statement should also address the subjects of unemployment in the legal field, student debt, and why the law school believes the salaries of its faculty and administrators are justified. EACH OF THE AFOREMENTIONED TOPICS MUST BE THOROUGHLY EXPLAINED IN THE PERSONAL STATEMENT. Individual law schools should also remember that the personal statement is an opportunity for their personalities shine. Schools should sell the admissions committee (me) on why their institution is a prudent investment of my time, energy, and resources.

    4. Three letters of recommendation from the applying law school's alumni. Each letter of recommendation should be written by a bar-certified attorney who graduated from the law school within the last five years, and who is currently employed full-time in a position requiring a J.D.

    5. A non-refundable application fee of $75. (A fee waiver is available for applications from Harvard, Yale, and Stanford law schools.)

  4. There is a contradiction here. If the legal market is so bad, why would older lawyers NOT retire?

    1. Because they are unable to retire. Your logic is off: I don't think that as a general rule people retire because the legal market (or any market) is bad, they retire because they have the $$$ to do so.

      By your logic, newbies lawyers would not enter the legal market because it is bad...but they do anyway because they have no other (skills) choice.

  5. Knorps logic:

    "If the legal market is so bad, why would older lawyers NOT retire?"

  6. This blog was good when it trashed law schools, but it is GREAT when it trashes the faces behind those law schools. Professors get furious when their own status is challenged.

    Keep up the GREAT work.

    1. I, the greatest lawland anti law scam ever known, used to hammer Nando on his failure to go after the PEOPLE behind the scam but now, to his credit, he has stepped up his game. God bless him and you...The infamous John Bungsolaphagus.

  7. Lawyers rarely retire.

    People retire from factories. Teachers retire, generally. Salesmen retire. Engineers retire.

    Lawyers rarely retire.

    And why would you? Unless you're a heavy-duty litigator, there's no real incentive to do so. You can work as long as you can throw on a suit and limp into the courtroom. Basic real estate/probate/family/commercial law isn't going to change any time soon. And judges/other lawyers will be infinitely more polite to you than they are to 35 year olds, who are young and don't know anything.

    Seriously, take an 85 year old with borderline dementia. If he's a physician, a hospital would be negligent to not revoke privileges. If he's an attorney with his name on the door, everyone will bend over backwards for him and celebrate that he's still practicing and charging $200/hr to write wills for his dying friends and file their probate papers.

    You go to an average courtroom, I can almost guarantee you at least 1/4 of the attorneys you see will be over 65, or at least look like it, if not more. In fact, the number of 65+ attorneys will likely dwarf the number of <35 attorneys.

  8. Teachers, firemen, and police officers retire because they have great pensions, courtesy of the taxpayer. Plus, how many fossils want to spend another few years teaching unruly fifth graders? Who the hell wants a 60 year old firefighter to haul their portly ass down three flights of stairs?!?!

    Salesmen retire because they are tired of the grind. The same goes for factory workers. Even if you spent the last 15 or 20 years in management, you likely did grunt work for decades. That takes a toll on the body.

    A 65 year old construction worker looks, acts and is different from a 65 year old lawyer, accountant or HR manager. They have had entirely different experiences. The former physically busted his ass and back for decades while those in the latter groups spent their days pushing papers, reading regulations, compiling Excel spreadsheets, etc.

    To the ass-clown asking how the legal field can be GLUTTED, while older lawyers continue to practice:

    Those older attorneys have their own established contacts, relationships with judges and clients. They are not willing or financially able to let go of that income stream. This is a world apart from the newly-minted, debt-strapped lawyers who have no book of business.

    Take a look at this July 9, 2012 piece from Washtenaw County Legal News, which was entitled “Cooley head: Aging attorney population to create many jobs.” In this Tom Gantert piece, Cockroach Donald LeDuc, dean of TTTThoma$ M. Cooley Law Sewer, proclaimed that there will be an impending, serious shortage of Michigan lawyers - due to the sheer numbers of older attorneys in the state.

    Somehow, practicing Michigan lawyers didn’t agree with LeDuc’s lies:

    “Brendon Beer, a Jackson attorney with Abbott, Thomson & Beer, said older attorneys tend to stick around.

    "Lawyers don't retire," Beer said. "Some have not prepared financially for retirement, some identify themselves as lawyers and retirement would mean a loss of that identity, others simply love what they do. The reality is that if you want/need to work, being a lawyer is a job you can do for a very long time. It is warm in winter, cool in the summer and there is no heavy lifting."

    "I understand that law schools like Cooley want to create the image that there is job availability in the legal market because their graduates are struggling to get jobs and law school graduates struggling to find employment is bad for business. However, I would not tell potential students that the aging legal population will translate into jobs. I have seen that theory proven false. When I started as a lawyer 10 years ago, after graduating from Cooley, I made the foolish assumption that these lawyers I saw in their fifties, sixties and seventies, would be retiring. Ten years later, they are in their sixties, seventies and eighties, and I work with them every day."

    Does anyone with a functioning brain stem believe that this unwillingness to retire from legal practice is endemic to Oregon and Michigan attorneys?!?!

  9. Wow, these law professors are really getting desperate and blatantly loose with the truth. I laugh whenever I hear these "academics" talk about the impending crisis that will be created with massive retirement and declining law school enrollment. Check out this site which shows dozens of federal judges who are older than 65 years old still serving on the bench. Shit, there are nearly three dozen judges still "serving" on the bench who were appointed by President NIXON. Judges won't retire because they draw a pension and a paycheck and it is an easy job, especially since each are provided with a cadre of law clerks and secretaries. Lawyers on the other hand, can't retire because they cannot afford to. The law school deans and professors continue to lie about the state of the profession when they have no idea or finger on the pulse of it. They lie because they see the writing on the wall: inevitably, some law schools will have to scale back (i.e., layoff professors via early "retirement" buyouts) or close entirely. That would be poetic justice as the law schools created the environment that is destroying the profession.

    1. Oh, here is the link of the old as dirt judges still sitting on the federal judiciary (check out the incumbents):

    2. You're absolutely right. Why would you need or want to retire when all you do is put on a black robe, sit down, read a little, speak a little, and bang a gavel? Your clerks did all the real work. Easy effing money.. Who'd want to give that up?

      Regular lawyers, who have been hit hard by the recession and seen their 401(k)'s shredded, cannot afford to retire. What is this myth about lawyers retiring? No one but the law school deans propagates it..

      They just tried to raise the age for judges in NY to 80. Luckily, the voters realized what a crock of shit that move was and voted it down.

    3. I didn't realize they tried to raise the age in New York but I'm glad to hear it got voted down:

      At least that rat Jonathan Lippman will be gone in 2 years time now. Thanks to that bastard, all law students who want to sit for the NY bar have to complete 50 hours of pro bono service. Yes, those taking on debt and not working while in law school have to give 50 hours of "pro bono" work thanks to Lippman. Fucking piece of shit.

    4. You found the exact article I did when I googled the subject. Initially, I thought this was to be a bone to Lippman and the judiciary but it seems Cuomo (also a Dem) is Looking Out for # 1.

      You are right. Lippman put the 50-hour pro bono requirement in place. Poetic justice?

    5. Well he was appointed by a corrupt, blind hofstra law grad that failed the bar exam. What the hell did you expect?

  10. Fuck me! Seven incumbent federal judges that were appointed by Kennedy. Christ! He's been gone 50 years.

    And 17 more from that cocksucking piece of shit Lyndon Johnson!

    1. What is more astounding about the website that shows the federal judges' tenure is when you click on the judge who is already retired, you will see that his date of death coincides with the end of his service, which goes to prove that judges don't retire, they merely die on the job.

  11. Somehow, I am reminded of Joe Pesci's character in "My Cousin Vinny" (a movie that should put the kibosh on anyone wanting to go to law school): "No, not Jerry GALLO. I said Jerry CALLO - with a "C". Jerry Gallo's dead."

  12. I thoroughly enjoy when Nando targets the law school pigs on an individual basis. Forget just blasting the schools, I love seeing the bastards behind the scam shamed on this blog.

    Calo's "article" is such a crock of sh*t it isn't even funny. There's no guarantee that there will be a wave of attorney retirements. Many older attorneys have been hit hard by the recession: home/401k values have gone down, divorce rates are high among lawyers (child support, alimony and property division drains a person of wealth), or they are just greedy boomer pigs who can't let go. Thankfully judges in NJ have to retire at 70, so we are always guaranteed a changing judiciary. I love seeing the rotten old pigs forced to retire from the bench. It literally warms my heart when I see an attorney in their 40s being sworn in as a judge while some old, filthy boomer pig cries about being forced to retire while packing up his office. Boomers are so entitled it's infuriating.

  13. The lifetime appointment shit needs to end. It's a fucking joke. You think some 89 or 93 year old cocksucker should be making decisions that affect people's lives or affect policy? These fuckers are no better than the shit stains in Congress that die in office.

  14. Calo is a discredited piece of shit. In the comments section to his article, he claims to have a "friend" who is a legal headhunter that has complained about not having enough candidates to place. Yet Calo does not identify this "anonymous source" who is lamenting about not enough lawyers to place. So basically Calo expects us to believe this fabricated hearsay. This guy is as phony as a 3 dollar bill.

    1. I think it could be true, but only as far as it goes. A headhunter may complain about not having enough candidates THAT MEET THE HEADHUNTER'S REQUIREMENTS to place. For example, a headhunter might have trouble fulfilling a client's request for an HYS graduate with at least 5 years of securities experience. That doesn't say anything about the state of the legal market as a whole, though.

  15. This Kennedy appointee died at age 104:

    And yes, he was still "working" as a sitting federal judge at the time of his demise. Take a look at Judge Brown. Do you honestly think by looking at him that he was lucid to make a judicial opinion? Hell on some days he probably believed Jim Crow laws were still valid.

    Judge Brown is not an anomaly as people like Leduc or Calo would have you believe. As someone else pointed out, there are dozens of judges still on the bench from the Kennedy/LBJ/Nixon era. These judges will only retire when the good lord calls their number. Similarly, if you go to most courtrooms, you will see older attorneys outnumber younger ones. In my county, there is a firm that has two partners that are in their 80s. They come in to court in walkers (on a good day) and wheelchairs (on a bad one). And these are people who went to law school when it cost peanuts and made a killing during the Golden Age of law. Yet here they still are practicing. All this talk about "en masse" retirements is a crock of shit.

  16. I see it in Louisiana. Guys in their 60s and 70s who keep going. Even the PI ones who made millions keep going. But why not keep it up when you don't have six figure debt like our generation. Its a system they know and it knows them so keep the gravy coming.

  17. ***Alert***

    Jonathan Lippman is a corrupt piece of shit.

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  19. Wow, Calo discovered something that has eluded us all-- that there will be boomer retirements in the next decade, and that some of those boomers will be lawyers. What a game-changer! Wait until Calo calls the Bureau of Labor Statistics, I bet they had no idea.

    Or maybe they did. The BLS projects no less than 14,290 entry level job openings per year due to replacement needs, through 2020. They also project an additional 7,590 lawyer jobs due to economic growth-- for a total of 21,880 projected entry-level job openings per year. That still leave a little shortfall, does it not, given that law schools will be graduating over 40,000 new JDs a year, even with the cuts in class size at many schools.

  20. But what are the unemployed lawyers supposed to do while we allegedly wait out the 5 to 10 years for all these lawyers to retire? What will be able to show as work experience by then if we can't work now? I have been thinking of starting a solo practice but that is hard to do.

  21. It's always cute when law professors opine about the job market, especially when they have very little practicing experience and have gone to T14 law schools. That is, it's cute until it's dangerous.

    I have noticed in many of these happy-happy articles, there is never any mention of the years of pent-up supply. It's like at some point in the near future, the demand for lawyers will equal or exceed the supply for that year and all will be well.

    I strongly suggest that law professors take a stroll across campus to the liberal arts building (it's usually the worst building on campus). In the early 1990's there was an infamous report (Bowen & Sosa) that stated that due to impending faculty retirements, there would be a strong demand for PhDs in the late 1990s and 2000s. Of course there was a demand, but this demand was met by cancelling tenure lines and hiring most faculty as adjuncts for low wages and without benefits. This is exactly what is happening in the legal profession; there are and will be fewer professionals on the partnership (tenure) track and more attorneys will be staff (adjunct) attorneys. In the meanwhile, tuition for law school remains at unrealistic levels for the vast majority of jobs available. Any article that doesn't discuss this issue and the associate debt load of new attorneys is a misrepresentation by omission.

  22. "Put that chopper down, [Calo]. These guys are our guests."

    I think he has a nice piece of the action as a law professor. A thick percentage. Too bad many law graduates don't and likely never will.

  23. "Ryan Calo, Assistant “Law Professor” at the University of Washington"

    Ryan doesn't have tenure yet, and he mentioned in the article that the University of Washington law school is cutting class sizes, so he is probably sweating bullets worrying that the faculty headcount will be reduced to reflect the smaller student body.

    And yeah, the lawyers I know in their late 60's aren't retiring - they are cutting back on their hours some, but they show no signs of heading out the door.

  24. Federal Judges have life time tenure per the Constitution. That won't be changing anytime soon. I've never known a Federal Judge to retire . . merely to take Senior Status. But cheer up, if lawyers are working until they drop, that is some evidence that its not a bad job for many.


    The above link pretty much says it all about the double dealing and hypocrisy of Cryn Johannsen who does indeed seem to work for the banks and big government.

    Cryn Johannsen turned her back on me right after I poured my heart and soul out on NPR radio last summer and I hope her book eventually goes on the trash heap of all political double speak.

    Damn, I trusted Cryn and she never ever sent back the personal papers that I trusted her with with my life and I thought she was a trusted friend.

    I'm sorry, but I am just tired by now and feel monstrously betrayed by the media creeps and especially by the people a society is supposed to place the most trust in:

    the teachers.

    1. This is why I respect Nando. He hasn't sold out. He is not like Cryn Johanssen or Kimber Russell who used the scamblog movement to advance their respective careers and are now working for the people these blogs are trying to expose (i.e., law school industry and bankers).

    2. But didn't Nando let Cryn suck his dick?

  26. Yes and if Nando will delete the anti Semetic comments TTR will go on just fine.

    I am reading The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich by William Shirer and it is absolutely a lesson for today's world but unfortunaltely the blogs invariably all declare the humanities as worthless and praise financial and scientific majors as remunerative insofar as student debt goes.

    The end result is that History and Literature are so called and universally agreed "worthless studies" lest one wants to be bankrupt to the end of their days, and I hope some Jewish wiser and older people are reading this.

    Allan Bloom was right after all but maybe even Bloom didn;t realize that Education in the higher forms would become a cheap and monstrous money making commodity like the huge Rock and Roll industry that Bloom was critical of.

    I think Bloom even marvelled and in a sort of great wonder at the undeserved wealth of Yoko Ono,

    But that is my take.

    1. Get a god damn job.

    2. lol! Yeah right 6:09 pm..

      There's as much chance of that as him closing his blog down for real. He just said - yet again - that he's done. I'll give 4 to 1 he's not. Any takers?

  27. You aren't reading that book. You probably just want to eat the glue on the binding, you Paintroach. You only accept info when it's in YouTube format.

    You heard 'im, Nando! OBEY YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS ROACH.

  28. Look at drug dealers, they are literally getting whacked all the time in drive by shootings or incarcerated by the droves and yet there still is a glut of others to fill their shoes. You don't see drive by shootings trying to get rid of older lawyers and yet the diploma mills send out more competition in the streets for a slice of the pie. Maybe if everybody watched the classic Farah Facet movie LOGANS RUN where everybody over age 40 is liquidated in society to prevent over population there might be hope. Besides that, you are oversaturating a market way beyond breaking point.

    1. Logan's Run ..... classic!

  29. I was thinking the same thing the other day, ironically. You'd either need Carrousel or something like what Kor did in the Star Trek episode "Errand of Mercy" except he'd eliminate 1000 lawyers per day. You might have a chance after a year of that.

  30. Let’s take a look at the cockroach’s background.

    Ryan Calo earned an A.B. in Philosophy from Dartmouth College in 1999. He then received a law degree from the University of Michigan in 2005.

    Under Experience, you will see that Calo was a law clerk for Ransey Guy Cole, Jr., for one year from 2005-2006.,_Jr.

    “Federal judicial service

    President Clinton nominated Cole to a seat on the Sixth Circuit on June 29, 1995, to replace retiring Judge Nathaniel R. Jones. Although Republicans controlled the U.S. Senate at that time, Cole's nomination was considered uncontroversial. The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee unanimously recommended Cole's confirmation on October 26, 1995. The full Senate unanimously confirmed Cole in a voice vote on December 22, 1995.”

    The man he replaced, Nathaniel R. Jones, remained as a federal judge right before his 76th birthday.

    Returning to the academic hack profiled in this entry, you will notice that Ryan Calo was an associate at Covington & Burling LLP in Washington, D.C. from 2006-2008 - before heading to the safe confines of academia. Law practice MUST be fantastic, if “professors” can’t wait to get out, right?!?!

    Now, let’s review Calo’s faculty bio at the Univer$ity of Wa$hington Sewer of Law. Note that Calo is on a publishing spree, presumably done in an attempt to gain tenure. He lists his supposed areas of “expertise” as the following: Cyber Law; Privacy; Robotics; and Torts.

    On the upper right hand side, we can see that Calo’s recent courses at the commode are Robotics Law and Policy and Torts. For someone who is aware of the role of internet technology and robotics - at least on an academic level - he sure is a rube when it comes to how these developments are affecting recent debt-strapped law grads.

    Then again, it is much more likely that Ryan Calo is pretending to be a dumbass. After all, he needs more lemmings to buy into the lie that law school is a good investment for the student. As the 12:36 pm commenter noted, Calo has not yet attained tenure - and his toilet is reducing the number of classes. He is frantically trying to drum up business with this $elf-$erving, lame-ass piece.

  31. Maybe it's just me, but these last two people profiled here have a sleazy look to them. I mean this guy has a shiteating grin like he's trying to sell an inferior product, and the last person from Cardozo had the smug look of duping delight in his photo.

  32. Consumers are so much smarter now but make mistakes because of economic desperation. Even just 20 years ago, law students thought props like Calo were hip and cool as they spewed their drivel. Now even 1ls know the guy is a failed lawyer who prefers the safety of academia where even those places are tenuous.

    The fact he looks like Yakov Smirnov makes his bs even less respectable. "What a Country".

    1. "In Soviet Russia, law schools *you*!!"

    2. Now that is some funny shit there. He does look like Yakov Smirnov. What a country indeed.

  33. There are a couple of things I wonder about:

    1.) Although lots of professors have tenure, how can they still stay employed at law schools if schools have to start slashing class sizes? I know they'll fire non-tenured first, but at the very least the tenured pigs will have to take salary cuts/freezes if the money isn't coming in. It's just simple economics. At some point they'll have to force tenured pigs into "retirement" with buy-outs and the like if the schools are to remain open. And those schools attached to university-systems will definitely get pressure from the mother university to do so. Stand-alones like Crooklyn might be able to get away with it for a while.

    2.) I heard somewhere that a lot of these schools have undertaken massive building projects that required issuing bonds to finance construction. Therefore, a growing portion of the budgets are going to service that debt. So if revenue falls from shrinking applications and class sizes, what happens to the size of the debt payments? Can these schools begin filing for chapter 11?

  34. This-and the previous post-reflect that the scam as gone from any type of finesse(you can use your law degree for anything!) to outright dishonesty. This guy knows what he says isn't true, but he genuinely doesn't care-because he's saving his job. Period, Full Stop. And sadly, while law school applications have dropped, they haven't collapsed, so while this non-tenured prof is going to tell whatever tales necessary to get tenure, the schools themselves are in no danger(not yet, anyway). A bunch of non-tenured profs may get laid off and actually-GASP!-have to practice law, but the schools, no matter how bad, will survive. They may go to rolling admissions with 100% acceptance rates, but so long as the federal loan dollars are available, the schools will survive.

  35. I'm sure Mr. Calo's oversight re: the fact that he works at a law professor, and the six figure NON DISCHARGABLE DEBT thousands of law grads incur by the time they graduate, was just merely negligence on his part. LOL

  36. Look at this:

    I guess all those liberal, well-to-do law professors who want to "help" minorities don't mind now increasingly focusing on fleecing uninformed minority students to sustain their racket. Funny how all that political ideological stuff goes right out the window when their paychecks are on the line. Filthy pigs.

  37. You know when I read his article I just thought what a fluff piece of writing. It had no substantial backup information and appeared as if he made it up. What a POS. It took Campos, hundred of blog posts to really highlight the problems with the legal profession and law school. Periodically I just go back to Campos very first blog and move chronologically from there, it's pages and pages of documentation on whats really happening. Calo can only wish it was he wrote was true.

  38. University of Washington Law School:


    Resident students $30,891
    Non-resident students $43,932

    Cost of Attendance:

    Resident students $49,734
    Non-resident students $62,775

  39. I think Ryan is okay. His hair and beard are short and neat.

  40. Have to agree that NO attorneys that are eligible to retire where I work [the SEC in Atlanta] are even considering doing so. Why would they? The job is fascinating, lots of independence [you run your own investigations], great supervisors, limited travel, 40 hour work week, remarkable job security, good pay [not near BigLaw but the avg experienced staff attorney at grade SK-14 is making $165-170k or so; new hires now virtually all come with 3-5 yrs of securities experience in BigLaw and hire in at about $140k], vacation is 4-5 weeks/yr, flexible work schedules [e.g. 4 ten hour days per week], telework several days/wk if you want, great health insurance, 13 sick days/yr, ten holidays, good 401k match, good pension [1% for each yr of service times avg of high 3 salary years - so if you work 20 yrs & last 3 years avg $180k you get $36k/yr pension plus soc security & 401k], mass transit reimbursement, et cetera, et cetera. Why would anyone leave? Not surprisingly, very few do. [All of the benefits are easily verifiable and SEC employee salaries are public record via the federal employee online database - every SEC employee's name, grade, job title, location, and most recent salary are shown.] Every new hire for at least the last five years feels like they hit the lotto and in a way they did because the volume of qualified applicants is extremely high. Anyway, no one is retiring.

  41. I happened to come across a blog question called "can't pay your student loans, just leave the country" and the blog is called.STUDENT LOAN STORIES.
    An alleged attorney wrote a lengthy reply about how he is a lawyer and his real estate practice collapsed after the economic meltdown and he is seriously contemplating leaving the country to a jurisdiction where creditors cannot harrass him anymore.

  42. More precisely, the blog is called STUDENT LOAN STORIES and heading preceding question is called CANT PAY YOUR DEBTS, LEAVE THE COUNTRY. The attorneys response is quite an eye opener.

  43. Calo is aware that ABA-accredited toilets are starting to cut staff and junior faculty members, in response to smaller enrollment. For $ome rea$on, the pigs who make the most money at these dung pits are the last to be dismissed.

    Back on January 23, 2013, Paul Campos wrote a thrilling post entitled “Vermont Law School to start buying out faculty next month.” Here is his opening:

    “Vermont Law School cut a dozen jobs earlier this week in a move telegraphed last year, when the school offered voluntary buyouts to staff members in light of declining admissions.

    Of the 12 staff members that left, 10 accepted buyouts, VLS spokeswoman Carol Westberg said. The other two people were laid off. None of the affected workers were faculty members.

    The buyouts, Westberg said, were originally offered to staff in November, with a deadline of Jan. 3 to accept or decline. While the 10 who took buyouts have worked out individualized plans for when they will depart, the same can’t be said for the two who were laid off.

    “They’ve already left,” Westberg said, adding that the 12 affected staff members were notified on Monday.

    Diane Hayes, the director of the school’s human resources department, said that of the the workers who were laid off, one position was cut from Buildings and Grounds and another was cut from the Office for Institutional Advancement.”

    Scroll down and take a look at the following information, near the conclusion:

    “Essentially, law schools across the country have to figure out how legal education is changing, and how to deal with fewer applicants,” Westberg said.

    Although the school’s faculty members haven’t been affected yet, Mihaly said that a similar buyout program is in the planning stages for professors.

    That plan would have professors retain their titles, but no longer be salaried, instead working on a part-time or class-to-class basis.

    “It’s really not a separation, as much as a change in status,” Mihaly said.

    Those offers will be sent to faculty members in early February, he said. He was unsure of the amount of full-time positions that would need to be excised, saying that depended on next year’s total enrollment.

    “We just don’t know where we’re at yet,” he said. “We’ll know more mid-year.”

    Ryan Calo is sweating bullets. With his credentials, he can probably practice law somewhere - even though he is an academic ass-hat. However, “law professors” detest the very idea of work. They would MUCH rather sit on their asses and scam students.

  44. Rutgers Law-Camden just got sanctioned for admitting students who DID NOT take the lsat. Here is the ABA press release:

    I think it says a lot about a law school literally waiving LSAT scores as a requirement in admissions just to get more asses in the seat. First, it wonderfully shows just how desperate they are for applicants. Second, it shows just what lengths the pigs will go to in order to preserve the scam at all costs.

    As if Rutgers Law-Camden didn't have enough to worry about related to declining enrollment with the Rowan merger, which will most assuredly catapult the school into TTT/TTTT status.

  45. Before you know it, law schools will be affiliated with Community Colleges just like they are affiliated with Universities and have open enrollment through the community college.

  46. Scroll down to the comments section of Ryan Calo’s excrementitiously ripe Forbes article.

    Look at this gem from user “Steve Orange” - which was posted one week ago:

    “Wow, the guy that wrote this article is clueless. There is a huge glut of law graduates. As an example, I was just reviewing the numbers at Brooklyn School of Law for the graduating class of 2012. These are number that the school reports to the ABA. Over 23% of their graduates are unemployed nine months after graduation. The total cost of attendance, as estimated by BSL, is around $250,000. How many financial wrecks does this school create a year?

    I looked at this article, and no surprise the author is a law professor, no conflict of interest there in writing an article that is for going to law school. Law professors, law deans, and other highly paid faculty have been worried lately, because the old law school model is not working. They always come up with arguments for going to law school that are not based in reality.

    They are no different than crack dealers selling a product, and they should be viewed with equal suspicion. They want your money! They do not care if you have a poor outcome or a good outcome when you graduate, as long as they get to keep their lifestyle of six-figure salaries, teaching classes four hours a week, and summers off. It is disgraceful, dishonest, and they should be ashamed of themselves.

    Law professors should stay out of the pro going to law school arguments. They just sound like used car salesmen.”

    Check out this response from commenter “J Smith” - also from one week ago:

    “I respectfully must disagree with Mr. Calo’s assertions. As a 20 plus year lawyer and having worked for three of the largest 200 law firms in the US, I must say there has been no good time to go to law school in the last 25 years at least. The glut of lawyers is so overwhelming as to be a joke. The data, the numbers, the facts demonstrate that no more than half of all holders of a J.D. degree (not just recent law school graduates) are working in a job that requires such a degree. Any lawyer job, including partner in a large law firm, is very unstable, and job security is virtually non-existent. There is absolutely no need for one single additional lawyer. There is a huge glut of unemployed ones already. Further, the earning potential for even the vast majority of those who are able to work long term as lawyers does not justify the exorbitant cost for buying a J.D. degree nor the time commitment required. In short, I have seen the law business effectively ruin a lot of lives, including the lives of top law school graduates. I do not know one single colleague working as a lawyer or currently unemployed lawyer who recommends that anyone go to law school, period.”

    Exactly! Cockroach Ryan Calo has NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE to back up his assertions. He does, however, have a direct financial interest in making sure that lemmings attend law school.

  47. Here is the entire text of the comment, from one week ago, by Forbes’ reader “Liam Joseph”:

    “A law professor who makes his large salary from the loans of law school students, who face grim economic prospects, is advocating for more young people to sign up for law school loans. Gee, can’t see the conflict of interest here. This is like a banker encouraging people to sign up for more high-interest loans because it’s a great time to borrow!

    This is total and utter tripe. The legal industry is undergoing a massive restructuring. Sectors of the economy are already recovering but the legal industry is not.

    The main things that have reduced the demand and value of legal work in the United States include:

    * Outsourced legal work (Google LPO – legal process outsourcing).
    * Technology replacing legal work through tools such as predictive coding. Bar associations are not enforcing unauthorized practice of law provisions, which have lead to legions of tech companies creating tools that replace lawyers.
    * Information is readily available online and many smart people prefer to do legal work themselves.
    * Do-it-yourself tools such as LegalZoom or Rocket Lawyer allow consumer clients to do one-off legal projects like wills and no-fault divorces.
    * Clients are scrutinizing legal bills and getting smaller, cheaper firms to do small jobs.
    * Law schools have churned out too many lawyers for the past two decades, meaning there is lots of competition (including on price). Lawyers regularly discount bills, meaning they work for free.

    If you’re thinking about law school, you’re thinking about entering a profession which is oversaturated, where demand is decreasing, and which is experiencing an existential threat by technology. When only 50% of law grads got any type of job requiring a law degree in 2011, it should give one pause. This is not a good industry. You’d be better off getting an associate’s degree in something technical at a community college.

    Also important to understand: law schools are profit-driven businesses. Even if they’re designated as non-profits by the tax code, the profits are driven back in the form of high salaries to individuals such as this column’s esteemed author. Law schools are desperate for a new crop of students and understand that demand for legal education is decreasing. Law schools will provide deceptive and misleading statistics and information about debt and job opportunities. There are very few job opportunities for most law graduates. Do you want to be $200,000 in debt (non-dischargeable in bankruptcy, it should be noted) and have to scrape and fight your way to earn $50,000? That’s the reality facing most law school graduates. If you’re smart and forward-looking, you will avoid law school at all costs. It’s a trap and has ruined many lives.”

    A few TTR commenters have pointed out that Calo resembles lukewarm comedian Yakov Smirnoff. At least, that Soviet defector had some talent and didn’t actively tell others that they should engage in economic suicide. Due to his position as a law school pig, feel free to refer to this bastard as Jackoff Smirnoff - even if many of his former students will likely be sucking down cheap-ass Popov in a brown paper bag.

  48. Nando, just thought you should know. Calo probably doesn't have to worry for the foreseeable future:

    UW Law just got 56 million. YAY! Law Prof. party time!

  49. Great.. Thanks to Ol' freaken' MacDonald here and his gift, this shithole gets a few more years added on to its tradition of existence to the community at large.

    These old geezers are nuts..

  50. Oh, and FYI on MacDonald:

    Again, as always, the media tries to propound the Horatio Alger myth but see:

    "Jack MacDonald gave the impression he was poor - but he had inherited a secret fortune from his parents and bought good stocks"


    1. Let me explain something to all you lemmings out there. As a practicing attorney, all the wealthy attorneys I have come across came from upper middle class or rich families to begin with. Their families bankrolled their schooling or paid their loans and had connections to get them jobs. Most come from families of lawyers and are able to just go to family firms or those family members use their networks to get the kids jobs (i.e., Jack Knorps).

      It's a serious hustle-type profession for the unconnected, no-network JD. Even if you get biglaw as an unconnected JD you'll be on your ass in 3-5 years if you don't build a book of business. You need to be bringing in business and developing clients all the time. If you are at a law firm you have to add value. That requires knowing people. I know people in healthcare and energy so I am value added to my firm and have a solid book of business. Even in biglaw, all that "prestige" goes out the window if you are dead weight and not brining in business. Most times the kids who get the jobs "add value" because by hiring the kid and doing someone a favor, the firm will get business out of it somehow.

      To sum up: It's all about who you (or your family) knows. So if you don't have the financial backing and network of a rich family, at best, you'll get mid/biglaw for a few years (assuming you graduate top 10%) before they churn and burn you. At worst, you're working at Staples paying off $150k in debt.

      Don't say you weren't warned lemming.

    2. That is not true! Some couldn't cut it at Staples and ended up working at Starbucks. :-)

  51. More comments from Calo’s putrid piece in Forbes.

    “JohnDoeee” of JD Junkyard brought the following to my attention. Forbes reader “xxjdr” posted this reply one week ago:

    “Ryan Calo, are you out of your goddamn mind? What is this, your first year as a professor, have you ever even practiced law for real living breathing client at all? How on earth could you possibly offer advice that is so irresponsible, dangerous, and conflicted?

    I graduated near the top of my class at a decent law school financed on federal student loans. No jobs. I double-downed on my student debt and went after an advanced law degree. It took a year after graduating from that waste of time before I finally landed an associate position. Then I was laid off six months later.

    I would sooner advise children to seek out and find the candy I’ve hidden on a freeway on-ramp before advising anyone of going to law school. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a lawyer. I grew up and became a lawyer. I wish there was an undo command for that.”

    “Liam Joseph” dropped some further knowledge. Here is the entire text of his comment, from a week ago:

    “This law professor is just trying to create new customers. He is no different than a door-to-door vacuum salesman. New law school students are the people who fund his leisurely six-figure salary to which he desperately wishes to cling. If more people see law school for what it really is (risky gambling), applications will continue to plummet and Prof. Calo might have to join the rest of us and – gasp! – get a real job.

    This lie telling potential law school applicants that now is a good time to “buy buy buy!” because applications are down is specious and laughable on its face. The legal job market is being destroyed by a number of factors:

    (1) Tasks like doc review are being off-shored;

    (2) Contract attorneys are being used now because they’re cheaper and temporary. There are legions of unemployed and underemployed attorneys who will work on a contract basis. Law firms don’t want to hire associates due to the economic climate.

    (3) Do-it-yourself services like LegalZoom are decimating the small law firm market. Why pay a lawyer $800 to draft a will when you can get something competent for under $150 with LegalZoom?

    (4) Law schools are pumping out more than 2 graduates for every 1 available job and they’ve been doing it for years. There is an enormous oversupply of law school graduates. If you go to law school and don’t land a coveted and increasingly rare 2L summer associate position, you will join the herd of unemployed lawyers desperate for any work.”

  52. "(5) Technology like predictive coding is making some attorney positions obsolete;

    (6) Tort reform is killing plaintiff law firm work;

    (7) The Internet has freed up legal knowledge. Lawyers are no longer holders of secret esoteric legal knowledge. It’s easy for a moderately intelligent person to do much of their own legal work.

    There are many other reasons but the above factors are some of the primary drivers. I can’t fathom why someone who’s even moderately intelligent and ambitious would attend law school at this point. You’d be better off studying computer science at a community college.

    Ryan Calo has a vested interest in additional law school students buying law degrees. He wants more loan money coming into the law school system because this is how he is compensated. The legion of unemployed, broke, desperate, and underemployed attorneys have no vested interest in a potential law school applicant buying a law degree other than perhaps very slightly less competition in 5-10 years. But given the oversaturation of law graduates, this is not going to be a factor. If 50% of people who bought law degrees suddenly died off, there would still be intense competition for any legal work.

    If you’re part of the 80% not in the top 20% (and less than 20% if you go to a school ranked below 25) out of a group where every student is very smart and very capable, there is no soft landing. There is no mythical mid-law. It’s either all or nothing. You will scrape, scrounge, bleed, fight, and send out hundreds of resumes just to interview for jobs that pay $30-50k and want you to work 60+ hours a week. Employers know there’s a huge oversupply of law school grads and have reduced salaries accordingly. They know there’s 20 people who would kill for any paying lawyer position. I didn’t go to a lower-tier school.

    I went to one of the top-ranked schools in the country and yet I had to work an unpaid job after I graduated. I know many graduates from top-ranked law schools who live with their parents during their late 20s. They’re depressed and regret law school. The skills that a law degree gives you are not in demand. Ryan Calo does not have your best interests at heart. Don’t listen to him.

    When you go to law school, you’re paying to take part in a contest. It’s not like traditional schooling you’re accustomed to. You are paying $200,000 for a slim chance at a job that will pay you enough to service your loans. Also, keep in mind many people who work in large firms that pay well are miserable and substance abuse problems are prevalent due to the hostile environment and stress. The entire factor that will determine whether your law school gamble paid off is a set of tests at the end of the school semester. There is no way to know how you’re doing up until that point (but don’t think you don’t have to pay for the time preceding the finals!). If you desperate want to go to law school, go. But if you’re not in the top 20% after your first semester, you need to drop out immediately because you’re throwing good money after bad. You will not get a good job and there are very few jobs available. I know plenty of law school graduates who make less than $50,000 and have $200,000 in non-dischargeable law school debt. It destroys lives but it makes people like Ryan Calo lead very comfortable lives.

    Many, if not most, lawyers hate what they do and wish they could turn back the clock to the time before they decided to go to law school. I know I do. We only hope that those who follow in our footsteps don’t listen to the law school shills like Ryan Calo and instead choose to study an academic subject that leads to a prosperous and rewarding career or perhaps learn a valuable technical skill. Law school is a rip-off that preys on the insecurities of bright young 20 year olds. It has financially ruined my life and many other lives. If you have an ounce of intelligence, do not go to law school. It’s a trap.”


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