Friday, August 8, 2014

Open Letter to the Incoming JD Class of 2017


Dear Dumbass Lemming,

In spite of rock hard facts and data showing that: (a) this “profession” is oversaturated; and (b) that law school is too damn expensive for the likely payoff, you have decided to take the plunge. After all, those statistics do not apply to you, because YOU are so exceptional, right?!?!
   
http://www.nalp.org/uploads/NatlSummaryChartClassof2013.pdf

Employment Placement for the Law School Class of 2013: For this data, we head to the NALP Class of of 2013 National Summary Report. According to this chart, there were 46,776 graduates competing for 28,746 jobs where bar passage was required. Keep in mind that not all of those positions were traditional lawyer openings.

In fact, in the subsection labeled Private Practice Jobs, you will note that 19,272 people from this cohort landed such posts. However, only 17,968 grads landed positions in this sector, where a law license was required. This equates to 38.4 percent of the class, i.e. 17,272/46,776. Could you imagine – for one second - if medical school graduates faced such outcomes?!?!

Scroll down to page two of this PDF, and head to Size of Firm. Of the 19,272 JDs who ended up in private practive, 933 were desperate-ass solos. Another 8,087 were in firms of 2-10 attorneys.  Conversely, a total of 1,067 landed jobs in offices of 251-500 lawyers – and 3,980 found employment in firms of more than 500 attorneys. Do you still like your odds, Lemming?!?! You do realize that those Biglaw jobs are reserved for solid graduates of top 10 law schools, as well as the sons and daughters of federal judges and wealthy pigs, correct?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings

Average Law Student Indebtedness: Take a look at this ranking system from US “News” & World Report, for a moment. You idiots live by such rating schemes. If this rag furnished a list as to the best method of wiping your college-educated ass, then you would likely adopt that without question. At any rate, if these debt figures do not make you reconsider your decision, then you truly are a lost cause.

Here are the top ten commodes, for the JD Class of 2013, in terms of strapping down their unfortunate graduates with LIFE ALTERING, SOUL CRUSHING debt. I have provided the school name, followed by the the average indebtedness figure for those who took on law school debt and the percentage of the class who incurred this debt.

Thomas Jefferson School of Law - $180,665; 92%
New York Law School - $164,739; 84%
American University (Washington) - $158,636; 88%
California Western School of Law - $157,748; 90%
Northwestern University - $155,777; 78%
Whittier College - $154,267; 92%
University of Chicago - $153,753; 85%
Florida Coastal School of Law - $150,360; 91%
St. Thomas University - $150,166; 91%
University of Miami - $148,513; 79%

Of these ten “in$titution$ of higher education,” only two of these schools could be considered “elite.” Who in their right mind would even consider taking on $190K-$220K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a TTTT law degree from TTTThoma$ Jeffer$on Sewer of Law?!?! Frankly, such a person should be declared mentally unfit to enter into any contract.

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/08/a-final-warning-to-those-who-enter-the-law-school-black-hole/

Above the Law’s Advice to You: On August 6, 2014, ATL’s Shannon Achimalbe posted an entry entitled “A Final Warning To Those Who Enter The Law School Black Hole.” Read the entire article, but focus on the following excerpt:

“For the past few weeks, I’ve been writing about law school hoping that it would help would-be law students make an informed decision. I exposed some misperceptions about law school that no one discussed. I also suggested some cost-effective and possibly lucrative alternatives to a legal education. And I wrote about some last-minute things to consider before going to law school.

But some of you will still go to law school for the wrong reasons and pay rip-off prices. Ego, familial expectations, and peer pressure may play a role in your decision. So I want to finish the law-school-themed posts by issuing a warning to students and their parents about the consequences of graduating without a meaningful job and with six figure, nearly nondischargeable student loan debt….

You cannot claim that law school “scammed” you. The “law school scam” movement began around 2007 and the mainstream media picked up on it in 2011. Nowadays, it is common for news outlets to warn students about the low starting salaries and high student loan debts of most new attorneys. Once the truth about law school was exposed, those who felt victimized took solace knowing that they were not alone and not failures at life. This realization helped almost all of them eventually suck it up and move on.

But now, things are different. Even the scamblogs believe that if you go to law school now, you cannot complain that you were scammed if things don’t work out. There is enough information out there for you to do your own damn research. The fact that law school enrollment has been dropping in the last few years should tell you something. If you graduate in three years with high debt and a low-paying job, very few people will take pity on you.” [Emphasis mine]

Do you believe that YOU know more about the legal job market than those who have law degrees, including those who have practiced?! Remember, only ten percent of your class can land in the top decile – and at MANY ABA-accredited toilets, this will not be enough to help you land decent employment.

Conclusion: At this point in the game, if you are attending a non-elite law school, then you must be mentally deficient. At best, you are willfully ignorant of the GLUTTED job market. After all, if you had devoted a few hours online researching U.S. “legal education,” then you would have run across several dozen articles in major publications – from judges, lawyers, former attorneys, “law professors, ” journalists and social commentators – highlighting that law school is a terrible gamble for the student.

Use whatever common sense you have! Why would these people – who are not being paid a dime to expose the law school swine – come to these conclusions independently?!?! In the final analysis, if you choose to enroll in law school with such widely available information, then you have no one to blame but yourself – when you end up owing $163,218.92 in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, while earning $38K per year, Stupid Bitch.  You can still drop out at the end of first semester, if your grades do not place you in the top 10% of your class - but I doubt most of you have the mental fortitude to so then either.

40 comments:

  1. Excellent post, Nando. Most students, even those who do well their first year, would be better off financially to drop out with $25,000 in debt. That beats $150,000 in debt with almost identical career prospects.

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  2. To the TTT class of 2017, I cannot emphasize this enough:

    Do not let your ego write checks that a legal education will not enable you to cash.

    The lawyer job market remains abysmal, and it is only going to get worse. Fewer and fewer lawyer jobs are being created each year, and the internet and outsourcing are making legal jobs increasingly obsolete.

    The odds are that your TTT or TTTT JD will not land you a high paying job. Unless you have a relative or friend in the right place, you might as well kiss any opportunity at a real legal job goodbye. Don't feel bad though. Even the top tier law school graduates are having a hard time landing big law and government attorney positions in this economy.

    Because there are too many lawyers out there already, chances are really good that your first job will be a shitty contract position that, after factoring the amount of time you spend on a case or project, ends up paying little more than minimum wage. You will not have much in the way of job security because there are way too many desperate lawyers out there willing to perform your menial position just so they can make their student loan payments. Law firms are fully aware of this reality, and will use and abuse you in ways that would astonish Upton Sinclair.

    Organizations like the American Bar Association know this, yet refuse to do anything about lawyer overproduction. Your law school also knows this, and might be able to provide you with an interim position just so they can fudge their post graduation employment statistics. But even those positions aren't going to secure you any sort of long term job given the glutted nature of the legal job market.

    I implore you to reconsider your decision to attend law school. But if you must, and do not wind up in the top 10% of your class (top 5% if you attend a TTTT) after one semester, then drop out. Drop out and don't look back.

    There's no shame in folding a losing hand. But you will end up hating yourself even more, as I do today, by not walking away when you had the chance.

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  3. Boromir: "What new devilry is this...?"

    Gandalf: "A ScamDean...a Boomer of the Ancient World...his experiences are unlike any of yours. RUN!!!"

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  4. We're not all complete idiots. You saved my butt. I was admitted to 4 law schools with a 151 lsat. And last year I didn't get into any. I didn't retake the test. It was such a nightmare to study for and I figured I'd apply again with the same test and see what happens. My girlfriend now fiance also set me straight. She told me to forget law school. Turns out she's got 3 cousins and a half brother that all went to law school. None of them work in law. I lost my seat deposit. But I'm okay with that. I figure if I get the itch for a Master's I can do that later. I'm in no rush. I'm 31 and make $50K which is better than a lot of other people doing. So thank you.

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    1. Congratulations. Stay the course, take your time, and see what is out there for you. ScamDeans and LawProfs want you to make a quick decision, like used-car salesmen.

      At least with used-car salesmen, you have a car after it's all said and done.

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    2. Ryan, I'm an attorney who makes less than $50K with NO benefits, NO job security and virtually NO quality of life whatsoever. Trust me when I say that you're making the right choice.

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    3. Congrats to you. I wish I had done that.

      Instead I went to a tier 2 school and I never got a sniff of legal employment. I did well my first year too. I volunteered for a solo criminal lawyer for a year but he just needed my Westlaw and Lexis account so I could research case law for him. I got about $10 an hour for 10-15 hours a week. And that's the closest I ever came to legal employment.

      In the middle of my 2L year, my girlfriend left me. And I can't blame her. I went from being an outgoing, confident person to depressed and out of shape. I played 3 years of baseball at a div. II school. Law school and the lack of any job prospects for me led to my confidence being shot. Instead of working out daily and doing things I enjoyed, I hit the gym maybe once a month and I had my nose in the books all the time. Sitting down and reading for hours and not being active takes a toll on your body.

      I finally got back in shape and beat my depression without any drugs. But I still have a large student loan to pay. I let my ego get in the way of people trying to help me. I'm paying the price for that still.

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    4. Good for you. Depression will pull the life out of you and it's great that you beat it. Many people don't. Your health is your wealth!

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  5. I've ran across my share of TTT grads. Most of them are schlubby looking and they are intellectually not up to par. That's the rule. The TTT grad with a great mind or killer looks is the exception.

    I'll see these guys in criminal court and you can see them from a mile away. The dead giveaways are the cheap suits, rumpled coats, 5 o'clock shadow. Some other giveaways are driving a shitty old car, and coffee or food stains on hands or ties. I've seen one shitlaw guy with what appears to be mustard on his tie...on separate occasions. I mean, you can't look in a fucking mirror and see that you have got fucking mustard on your tie?

    The shitlaw girls tend to be a little easier on the eyes. One criminal defense lawyer in particular has about the best legs and calves I've ever seen. And she has to be 45. A killer tan. This lady must use a Stairmaster all day long. I've seen judges and prosecutors go easy on her a few times. But most of the shitlaw women aren't very attractive.

    It just goes to show these people went to shitty schools and they got shitty jobs afterward representing shitty clients. If you were such a great lawyer or had a great intellect you wouldn't be representing scum in district court. is that what you assholes want out of life? To be making peanuts representing scum while owing the bank $100K in student loans?

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    1. The intelligent person at any but the top thirty or so law schools will be rara avis. I'd be surprised if Cooley has produced a capable lawyer in the past ten years.

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  6. Lol skewl is for idiots.

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  7. How many Special Snowflakes enrolled at Indiana Tech?

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  8. My local community college has an ABA accredited paralegal program and it only allows 25 students to enroll for their incoming class. Imagine that, a community college that charges much less in tuition for an ABA accredited program and yet the expensive law schools would never think about putting a cap of just 25 students. You would think it would be the other way around.

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  9. http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/BL-LB-25295

    Were you aware of this?

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    1. Great link.

      The way he chooses to use the phrases "multi-million dollar operation" and "tuition-driven operation". You know what that reminds me of? The way gangsters and criminals talk. They of course don't use the term "business" but instead "operation".

      And he uses the term advertising expense, etc. and not simply cost. Sure sounds a lot like the way a business person would speak vs. the high-minded Dean of a non-profit institution of higher learning.

      He could've chosen his words with more care but I'm glad he didn't because it shows you just how these people really do think.

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  10. Great Post Nando. This site, along with Paul Campos’s great Book, Don’t go To Law School, should be required reading for any dolt considering attending anything other than a T-7 $chool. As this blog has noted, law $chool applications and first year enrollment continue to fall, but not nearly enough to balance demand (i.e. 50% reduction). Most people are aware that TTTs are garbage, but even reasonably bright folks with 160+ LSATs are still throwing their lives away by attending absurdly expensive T-1 and TT trap $chools. Why?

    Perhaps someone should investigate the nefarious behavior of undergraduate pre-law “advisors”. These self-serving enablers have a vested interest in obscuring employment reality to keep their own parasitic jobs. Do they get wined and dined by scam dean$? Do they receive “commissions” for referring lemmings? At my undergraduate school the pre-law “advisor” never even went to laws $chool let alone practice law. Great basis for “advising” lemmings--right?

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  11. On July 30, 2013, Business Insider re-printed a piece from Steven J. Harper, which was entitled “America Has Way Too Many Lawyers, And The Bubble Is Growing.” Look at this brilliant opening:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/america-has-way-too-many-lawyers-and-the-bubble-is-growing-2013-7

    “In June, the legal services sector lost more than 3,000 jobs. According to the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics data, the sector has gained only 1,000 net jobs since June 2012. In the last two months, 6,000 positions disappeared.

    No market solutions here

    In a properly functioning market, reduced demand would prompt suppliers to cut output in search of equilibrium. But the legal profession consists of several distinct and dysfunctional markets.

    For example, there’s plenty of unmet demand for lawyers from people who can’t afford them. Reduced federal funding for the Legal Services Corporation has exacerbated that problem. So has the rising cost of law school tuition and resulting student debt. Over the past 25 years, tuition increases for law school have far outpaced the rest of higher education.

    In another segment of the legal market, demand for corporate legal work has been flat for years. But law schools business models generally have focused on filling classrooms, regardless of whether students will ever be able to repay their six-figure educational loans. Because most tuition revenue comes from federally guaranteed loans that survive bankruptcy, schools have no financial incentive to restrict enrollments — that is, until they run out of applicants.

    When might that happen? Not soon enough, although recent headlines imply otherwise.”

    The author notes that there is unmet demand from lawyers - from people who cannot afford their services. It seems that many broke-asses have legal problems. However, if they are unable to pay your fees, then they are of no use to you as a professional. If you want to engage in some charity work, then you can volunteer some of your free time serving bums in a soup kitchen or reading to illiterate adults.

    If you are too lazy to read the entire article, then how the hell do you expect to ever represent actual clients in real legal cases?!?! Scroll down to the bottom and you see that Harper is an adjunct professor at Northwestern University Law School. Are his words starting to sink in yet, Dumbass?!

    The man explicitly states that ABA-accredited diploma mills (a) focus on filling classrooms, regardless of whether their students will be able to repay their student loans (b) because they have no incentive to restrict enrollment, thanks to the federally-backed “educational” loan scheme. Yet, here you are ready to attend orientation and your first week of law school. YOU are the reason for warnings on the side of paint cans, idiot.

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    1. There was an unmet need for medical care too. The government's solution was to first institute taxes to cover populations, in the form of medicare/medicaid, then when that wasn't enough they also decided to force everyone to buy health insurance or pay an increasing fine. The solution wasn't for doctors to provide free medical service, or even increase the number of doctors practicing.

      The legal field is absolutely nonsensical. If there is an unmet need, and the government thinks it's a serious need, it should fund it, both through taxes and through additional forced taxes. Not demand more attorneys in poverty work for clients that actually are in a better financial situation than them (if they're in debt, at least they got something out of it).

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  12. How many of these first years will end up with debt so large they'll walk away from it? We'll get stuck with the bill.

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  13. I remember when there would be hostile lemmings and obvious law school CSOs posting on the law scam blogs, and even commissioning/writing articles on MSM news.

    That has pretty much dried up. You rarely see anything but delusional lemmings now, with retarded comments like "don't crush my dreams" and a lot less of "you are a loser failure and law school is great!"

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    1. Law schools know they're selling increasingly worthless degrees, and the CSO douche canoe paddlers who vehemently parroted their "network, network and network more" shtick are probably receiving death threats by now. And let's not forget how awesomely positive things are shaping up for Mr. Infinity as he finalizes his plans for leaving the country. Sure hope his plans as an incense importer/exporter provide him the opportunity to apply his extensive knowledge of the UCC.

      Fact is that the law school racket's days are numbered, and it really looks as though they know it. Once considered a constitutional luminary by his peers, Erwin Chemerinsky is now regarded more as a "Baghdad Bob" of a failing legal education model. Of course, he's already made his millions so what's it really matter to him anyway?

      The sad part is that these swindlers have taken aim at lower income and minority communities as a means of putting a last crop of asses in their seats. It's this last wave of TTT and TTTT victims who will end up being hurt the worst by the scam, and law schools know it.

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    2. Baghdad Bob. Perfect!

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  14. Even to the winners with the 95th percentile GPA/LSAT combo's who do eventually land a Big Law associate job (real associate, not doc review clicker), you need to keep a few things in mind:

    You will be working 80-90 hours a week on a normal week, and 100+ hours a week if your case goes to trial. The transactional side can be even worse. Just think about that. It isn't a normal thing to subject the human body to, and you will burn out and/or your health will decline.

    If you get laid off from your Big Law job (most associates don't last longer than three years) you will have a very difficult time finding another law job. Big Law doesn't hire unemployed attorneys (again, except for doc review clicker positions. You don't want one of those.) Even the segue into in-house positions has become much more challenging for Big Law associates wanting to flee the legal mills they work for.

    Things have changed, permanently, for the worse. Not just for "TTT" grads. They have changed for everyone. After all, law might be a profession, but law firms are the ones that hire people, and they are certainly businesses. Their bottom line comes first, and technology combined with an over saturated pool of attorneys has the odds squarely against your favor even coming form a place like Cornell or Columbia in the long run.

    Sorry to say it.

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  15. Law school is a losing game for pretty much 95% of law students. As thinker said, even Biglaw associates usually get churned out after 3 years. (it used to be 5). Going to 7 years of post secondary schooling and making $38K will make anyone (even the most docile creatures) pissed. They have every single right to be angry at the law schools.

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  16. I hope that I am doing the right thing here. I wanted to let you know that I am not going to be able to do what you need me to do and I say now goodbye as well. I'm sorry and thank you too. Goodbye then.

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  17. An excellent post. I believe the message *has* to be spelled out this bluntly because there are still so many people who don't understand the most basic, core reasons why law school is such a bad choice.

    Rarely do people come here and offer their appreciation for pointing them in the right direction and into careers other than law. On behalf of those who took your advice - and the falling admission stats show that there are plenty! - I'll say thanks. You've saved many a future.

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  18. http://jdunderground.com/all/thread.php?threadId=75079

    Kiddies, watch out or you could end up like this piece of shit (owing $300k straight outta law school, jobless, not sure of whether to go to India or truck driving school.)

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    1. Ah, so he abandoned his plans of leaving the country. Some of the comments on that thread are truly epic.

      Out of respect of what appears to be some sort of truce reached between parties, I shall no longer use his name or handle on this blog. However, his story is one that really should be told as a cautionary tale.

      I'm quite certain that he was one of those "don't crush my dreams types when confronted with the realities of today's legal job market. But alas, he was impervious to reason and reality.

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    2. @ 5:40 PM

      I doubt the trucking thing will work out either. You know, young child etc. and he's going to spend 5 out of 7, or more, days on the road away from home?

      I doubt it..

      Secondly, trucking is demanding and takes discipline and he never even bothered to discipline himself to study for the Bar. How will he discipline himself to do 12-hour days++ behind the wheel? Where will all this magical discipline come from that he did not have before?

      Lastly, these jobs go to immigrants and to the lowest bidders. He's also behind on those counts.

      The whole thing makes no sense. It's just another fiction that his mind is dreaming up as a solution to his difficulties. You go through all sorts of scenarios but in the end, there is precious little in the line of an actual, factual way or path out of the mire.

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    3. Me again..

      Basically this:

      billypilgrim (Aug 8, 2014 - 4:55 pm)

      Or you could just wait until late one night, get out of bed, tie some food and toilet paper in a rag on the end of a stick, and leave your wife and child behind. Make your way to Port-au-Prince and ask for a one-eyed man named Mercutio and tell him your story. He can hook you up with an outbound freighter to the Orient and you can start a new life out on the sea, never to set foot on dry land again.

      Get real.

      ------------------------------------------------------

      I went with your idea and looked at the thread briefly.

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    4. I'm surprised he hasn't tried selling cars. At this stage in his career, his chances of ever getting a law gig are slim to none. But I imagine he could get a shot at a sales position somewhere. He does seem to have a small amount of hustle left in him, and he should have figured out by now that if one doesn't have any connections in this game, then one had better get their hustle on.

      Of course, he might just be so special a snowflake that he falls for the LL.M long con. After all, what's another $100+K going to do to someone who's already so far in debt that he'll never be able to pay it off?

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  19. Nando, thanks for all you have done for the cause. You and others have put the info out there for the lemmings. While I agree that those going to law school should know better it doesn't mean that the bitches and hags in scam are any less at fault. I think the next step in the movement is a series of virtual sit ins at the tttt and ttt schools. We should overwhelm the phone lines and email accounts of the places for a few days so that we can save some lemming from himself. Hopefully there would be so many phony "sit in" calls and emails that the toilet admissions office wouldn't get to the poor schlub that was going to really pay for the "education". What do you think? Let's do this!!!

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  20. Back on April 1, 2013, BloombergBusinessweek published a Paul M. Barrett article entitled “The Case Against Law School.”

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-04-01/the-case-against-law-school

    “The legal education industry has hit a wall. The U.S. has an oversupply of attorneys. Law schools keep pumping out more. Graduates have huge debts and sparse job prospects. Check out this opening:

    “Law schools need to take immediate action to confront today’s crisis,” Paul Caron, a thoughtful and prolific professor at the University of Cincinnati, recently explained:

    “The current model—convincing 45,000 people each year to assume six-figure debt loads to chase 20,000 legal jobs (most of which do not pay enough to service the debt)—is simply unsustainable. Market and political forces are gathering steam.”

    Caron, who specializes in tax law and knows his figures, suggests that the legal professoriate look to Jimmy McMillan for guidance. When he ran for governor of New York in 2010, the eccentric McMillan drove around my Brooklyn neighborhood in a car with a loudspeaker on its roof, shouting his memorable campaign slogan: “The rent is TOO damn high.”

    At more than $50,000 a year, “law school tuition is simply too damn high,” Caron argues.
    “Administrators and faculty need to ruthlessly examine law school budgets and cut areas that are not essential to the school’s mission. Law school is twice as expensive as it was 20 years ago [in inflation-adjusted dollars], yet no one would argue that legal education is twice as good today.”

    Do…you…understand…that, Lemmings?!?! Or do I need to draw you a diagram on posterboard, with Crayola, so that it penetrates your gray matter?! Paul Caron is a tenured “law professor” – and he CLEARLY states that “law school tuition is too damn high.”

    This is essentially the equivalent of a prostitute telling you – in advance – that she has Hepatitis C or AIDS. Are you retarded or desperate enough to still pay her for sex?!?! At this point in time, if you choose to attend law school, then you deserve your fate. I am certainly not excusing the thieves known as academics and administrators for their conduct or behavior. However, we expect these “educators” to engage in such rancid actions.

    In order for these pigs and cockroaches to continue their scam, they need willing victims. With the reams of HARD DATA out there with regard to the financially dangerous product known as law school, there is no valid excuse for signing on the dotted line, Bitch. If you live in the United States, and you have earned a Bachelor’s degree, then you clealry do not reside in a cave. The internet is available pretty much anywhere, at all hours!

    http://lawlemmings.tumblr.com/research

    Head to this link in order to see dozens of articles, papers, studies, industry statements, charts, graphs, and videos on overpriced “legal education” and the GLUTTED, shrinking U.S. lawyer job market. If you cannot be bothered to spend a few hours researching this expensive, foolish decision, then you have no one to blame but yourself when you graduate and cannot find a job making more than $40K per year.

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  21. Now, scroll down to the comments section of this Businessweek piece cited above. Here is a post from “Francois Ca’va”:

    “My niece is in year 2 of law school. Every single family member over the age of 30 tried to convince her not to take on the debt of law school, including her mother who is a lawyer, but to no avail. Now we all sit back awaiting the carnage that will occur moments after graduation when my niece realizes there is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and begins a life where she effectively pays for a $150k "house" that she doesn't own, can't live in, can't sell, and can't declare bankruptcy to clear herself from its clutches. Worse, it will likely keep her from finding love and raising a family - after all, who wants to marry someone with $150K of debt. Indentured servitude by choice...truly a sad situation.”

    Sadly, too many ass-hats don’t follow SOUND ADVICE – even from relatives who have earned a JD and knowledge of the legal industry.

    Someone using the handle “Ska Clever” provided the following remarks:

    “And not mentioned is the fact that technology is shrinking the number of lawyers needed to engage and complete a given task, or that consumers of legal services are requiring a more exacting cost-benefit, i.e., lower fees, and far more constrained hourly billing. The legal bubble of the past decades has popped and there is no logical reason for young people to put law in their top ten lists of careers anymore.”

    Unfortunately, as straightforward as this info is, it will go over the head of the average moron. Someone getting ready to enroll in a fourth tier trash can has the critical thinking skills and common sense of a dead skunk.

    A little further down, a guest posted this insightful comment:

    “I like how the author of the article also says journalism isn't a place he would recommend either. The sad truth is that there is no place to run to anymore. Law sucks? Yea, I got a job in law making about 50k but I don't enjoy the work all that much and hate looking at the long line of files awaiting my work. Journalism? Media? LOL, good luck making money in an industry that has pretty much delegated itself to irrelevance if they don't give away information and entertainment for free.

    The one piece of advice I would give is to jump on the income based repayment plan for loans. At least that way you only pay 15% of your AGI based on last year's income. You'll have a floating car payment the rest of your life but whatever, debt is everywhere.

    If I could go back in time, I would not go to law school and I lucked out and found a job. It's just not enjoyable to me and with no kids or wife I remain open to any other opportunities that come along.”

    Consumers now want information and entertainment for free. In fact, they demand it at no cost. In the past, lawyers and judges had access to guarded information. Now, anyone with an internet connection and average intelligence can pull up case law, statutes, or legal articles. Hell, experienced criminal defendants often know more about their likely outcome than freshly-minted lawyers. Do you still want to incur a mountain of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for *a chance* to enter this oversaturated “profession”?!?!

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  22. Hello Nando, I don't know if you will recall me. A few years ago, I posted a story about my sister and my former brother-in-law who attended law school against my advice. He told my sister that I was keeping him back from his dream and that I was afraid of competition. Of course, this idiot didn't think that I was really looking out for my sister and did not want her to be married to a struggling lawyer. Eventually, the idiot went to law school, graduated from a TTT and then could not land a job in the legal profession. He begrudgingly asked me for a job and I told him I could not hire him because my firm had no need for a new associate (I previously warned him that business was drying up). In the end, he wound up selling insurance and my sister divorced him.

    A few years later, I ran into my former brother-in-law who was doing per diem work for an attorney who had been suspended from the practice of law. I was going to advise him to be careful because he could get into hot water with the ethics committee for helping a suspended attorney and splitting fees with him. I digressed since he never listened to my advice before.

    Some people will jump over the cliff without a parachute despite the warnings of others who came before him. Some people have to learn from experience because their obduracy and pride is just too much to overcome. I don't feel sorry for people like my former brother-in-law and I certainly don't sympathize with any law grad who decided to attend law school after 2010.

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  23. Hm, tried to post something but it didn't seem to work. I said:

    Nando and the other anti-law school/scam/truth bloggers deserve recognition for helping people understand the modern reality of the law school/legal industry scam and, without mincing words, divert their financial futures from ruin.

    Does the United States "need" new lawyers? Sure, but only about a fourth, or less, of the total law grads coming out of these diploma mills each year. And that's not to say anything about the tens upon tens of thousands of unemployed law grads already out there in the job world's version of no-man's-land, without any hope.

    To "save" the legal industry, assuming it can even be done at this point, law schools need to reduce tuition to about a third of what most schools charge now, and reduce class sizes, by about two thirds total. This would guarantee that attending law school wouldn't necessarily result in financial ruin (which it does for most grads) and that the vast majority of competent, qualified Juris Doctors would get decent jobs that the country actually needs filled.

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  24. On April 16, 2014, former Biglaw associate Will Meyerhofer wrote a brilliant piece labeled “The Downward Drift.” This should also be required reading for anyone even remotely considering law school. Look at this opening:

    http://thepeoplestherapist.com/2014/04/16/the-downward-drift/

    “I never thought I’d end up working as a contract attorney doing doc review in a windowless basement,” my client bemoaned. “But then I read that piece about the lawyer who’s working as a clerk at WalMart. At least I’ve still got it over him in terms of job prestige.”

    Well, you know how obsessed lawyers are with job prestige.

    There’s a phrase, “The Downward Drift,” that crops up in discussions of serious mental health diagnoses like schizophrenia, and/or chronic substance abuse. The idea is that you are afflicted with serious mental illness, or become addicted to a harmful substance, which in turn leads to a slow, inevitable slide downward in terms of social class. Before long, the wealthy, Upper East Side business executive suffering from schizophrenia and/or severe alcoholism finds himself jobless, friendless and eventually even homeless, sleeping in shelters and begging for change.

    Weirdly, the same phenomenon – the Downward Drift – affects people who acquire Juris Doctor degrees. It sort of makes sense, since – at least nowadays, with people like me bellowing jeremiads on every street corner, it would be evidence of utter madness – textbook psychosis, perhaps – for anyone to head in the direction of law school, at least unless that law school is one of the top three in the country and someone else is footing the bill. But try to persuade a kid with a high LSAT score not to apply to law school – it’s nearly as tough as persuading a kid who’s gotten into a “top-500” (or whatever) law school into not attending (especially if he’s “won” one of those risible $20,000 so-called “scholarships” they hand out like pushers showering crack vials on newbie users.) If that task sounds Herculean (or Sisyphean), try talking a kid who’s blown $80,000 on his first year of law school out of “finishing up” the other two (useless) years – even if he’s hated every moment of the experience so far. This is where the parallel with addiction comes in because I guarantee you it’s no easier than convincing a chronic alcoholic that ten martinis is really enough. Even my own much-vaunted powers of persuasion come up short at that juncture. Because it’s impossible. An addict will keep drinking and drugging until he passes out face down in a puddle on the sidewalk. And a law student will blow that additional $160,000 to finish those two more pointless years. It’s a sure thing – just like zombies like eating flesh, the sun likes rising in the morning and Pat Robertson likes blaming bad weather on the homosexual agenda.

    This man is a practicing psychotherapist, people. He could not be any clearer in his warning:

    “[I]t would be evidence of utter madness – textbook psychosis, perhaps – for anyone to head in the direction of law school, at least unless that law school is one of the top three in the country and someone else is footing the bill.”

    To anyone getting ready to attend their first law classes soon, this is directed at you. Are you: (a) enrolled in law school at Yale, Harvard or Stanford; and (b) going there without incurring any debt?!?! If both of these circumstances do not apply to you, then you are likely playing a losing game.

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  25. I think these law school debt figures are underreporting the actual amount of total debt. Not included is debt taken out for "cost of living", whether the debt is private or public, debt from undergraduate school, medical bills, car loans, and credit cards.

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  26. Going to law school now is like deciding to go to beauty school.

    Oh wait. Beauty school grads can actually get jobs in their field. Never mind.

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