Tuesday, August 12, 2014

Third Tier Moist, Hot Waste: University of Hawai’i at Manoa William S. Richardson School of Law


Tuition: In-state resident, full-time law students will be charged $18,464 in tuition, for the 2014-2015 school year. Non-resident students attending this sewage pit full-time will be ass-raped at the rate of $39,192 – for the 2014-2015 academic year. For $ome rea$on, the bitches and hags at this school list tuition on a per-semester basis.


Estimated Total Cost of Attendance: According to this document, other expenses – including student fees of $712 and loan charges of $220 – will add another $18,470 to the tab. This applies to those living off or on campus full time. Also, the transportation estimate of $1,326 seems ridiculously low. Hell, gas and insurance should exceed that amount alone. Now throw in vehicle maintenance and an occasional major repair.

Seeing that these figures are based on a nine-month school year, and not on the actual 12 month calendar year, we will prorate the following expenses: meals/housing; personal costs; and transportation. Hence, other expenses will total $23,893. Doing so, we reach the following, more accurate total COA amounts for 2014-2015: $42,357 for Hawai’i residents living off or on campus and $63,079 for out-of-state, full-time law students living on or off campus. By the way, consider the costs associated with moving to the state from the mainland.


Ranking: Based on the surroundings, one would expect this commode to have a decent reputation among academics, judges and lawyers, correct?!?! Well…according to US “News” & World Report, the Univer$iTTTy of Hawai’i at Manoa William $. Richard$on Sewer of Law is rated at the 100th greatest, most remarkable and presTTTigious law school in the entire country. What a tremendous accomplishment, huh?!?!


Published Employment Statistics: The toilet’s Employment Summary Report for 2013 Graduates shows that there were 104 members of this cohort. In fact, only 53 men and women from this group landed full-time, long-term jobs where bar passage was required. Yes, very impressive! Then again, 90 grads from this class found employment – whether full-time, part-time, short term or long term – within nine months of receiving their TTT law degrees. This translates to a “placement” rate of 86.5 percent.

Under Employment Type, you will see that a total of 27 graduates landed positions in private law firms! Could you imagine – for one goddamn second - if slightly more than one quarter of an accredited U.S. medical school’s class ended up in private practice?!?! Furthermore, only six members of this cohort worked for an office of 51-100 attorneys, and NO ONE found employment in a larger law firm. You will also note that four grads from this class landed law school or university-funded positions.


Average Law Student Indebtedness: USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Univer$iTTTy of Hawai’i JD Class of 2013 who incurred debt for law school - as $70,263. Furthermore 80% of this clogged toilet’s 2013 cohort took on such toxic debt. Remember that this figure does not include undergraduate debt – and also does not take accrued interest into account, while the student is enrolled. And it sure as hell doesn’t include opportunity costs.


Unique Journal OpporTTTuniTTTy: As a student at this third tier commode, you will have a chance to write onto something called the Asian-Pacific Law & Policy Journal. Take a look at this partial descripTTTion:

“About APLPJ

The Asian-Pacific Law and Policy Journal (APLPJ) is a web-based, American legal journal covering issues in Asia and the Pacific Rim. Our objectives are to disseminate legal research by law professors, legal practitioners, social scientists, economists, and students; to increase awareness of legal issues impacting the region; and to provide a forum to discuss legal topics that fall within the Journal’s geographic scope. In addition to the web format, the journal is available through the legal databases LexisNexis and Westlaw. We invite authors to submit original manuscripts for consideration. Comments and suggestions are always welcome. Please address your comments to aplpj@hawaii.edu.”

Yes, that is going to lead to legal employers climbing over each other to hire you, right?!?!  Of course, not before hot co-ed undergrads take you to the beach and give you a series of rim jobs.  If you land a student editor position, then you need to be careful and make sure that law firm hiring partners don’t hit you in the face with suitcases full of money. [Disclaimer: Nothing of this sort will happen. Hell, you have a greater likelihood of starting at third base for the Yankees next year.]

Conclusion: Avoid this overpriced garbage pit as if your financial future was at stake – because that is the case! In the final analysis, no one – not family members, friends, associates, former co-workers, the 7-11 cashier you’ve wanted to bang for the last two years – will care that you went to law school in Hawai’i.  This is especially true, when you are a debt-strapped TTT grad who is selling insurance or managing a comic book store.

If you are an idiot and you are getting ready to enroll in this trash heap, then you are probably proud of your accomplishmenTTT. Congratulations, dolt. When you graduate with $85K-$120K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, and earn $39K per year, you will feel as though you have had a large pineapple permanently shoved up your ass. You have been provided with a good 5-7 years of fair warnings, from a number of sources, i.e. law grads, attorneys, “professors,” journalists, state bar association officials, etc.  As such, YOU have no one to blame, when you end up making a paltry income.


  1. I saw what you wrote last time to my class. Well fuck you.

    I'm not gonna fail like all you guys. And I won't be making excuses. I got a $20K scholarship to go to law school. It won't cost me much to go. So there.

    One last time. Fuck you.

    1. Whoa whoa whoa, nice shootin' Tex! Law School is a sucker's bet for the majority of students, so let's just all calm down, smoke a bowl, and talk about this rationally. Uncle Nando's just trying to help out.

    2. Dear Special Snowflake:

      We have all been exactly where you are now. I had a "merit scholarship." I had "excellent" undergraduate grades. At lawscam I won CALI awards - you'll find out about them later.

      I also had the extremely low-paying debt collection law job followed by months and months of unemployment, as the "good jobs" were taken by middle-aged ex-solos with real experience in courtroom lawyering. I left the law and with great difficulty found a job that has nothing to do with the law. You may not like what is said on this blog, but you stand warned.

      Good luck in law school anyways.

    3. Killian: WHITMAN, PRICE, AND HADDAD!!! You remember them! There they are now, BASKING under the Maui sun, their debt to society paid in full!

      Mendez: Last season's winners?

      Fireball: No. Last season's losers.

    4. Feel free to keep us posted on your progress. I really hope it works out for you in spite of all the statistics that point to the contrary.

      If you've done your damn research and followed the advice of this and other blogs, you should be fully informed and prepared to take on the law school con game. Hopefully, you haven't been placed in a "stacked section" with all the other scholarship students. If that's so, then you face a pretty uphill battle.

      Please try to keep your student loan debt below $50K. People taking out over $100K and more have a very difficult time making ends meet while paying their loan balance off--and landing a job right out of law school has become extremely difficult unless you graduate in the top 10% of your class or have good connections already lined up. Oh, and if you're attending a third or fourth tier school, then get ready for an even more difficult time in the legal world. Your peers will look down on you as if you are some sort of felon recently released from prison.

      As I insinuated above, I don't want you to fail. I just want you to know that things aren't all unicorns and glitter out here in the real world. You're making a real wager with your future, and the odds are against you from day one.


      Attorney who thought the exact same thing during orientation week.

  2. That debt figure seems too low. Factor in cost of living and the average student is taking on a lot of student debt to attend this toilet.

  3. Replies
    1. Excellent comment! It's nice to see educated people fighting the law school scam. Chin's investigating the employment figures as we speak.

  4. Darnell

    Listen up for a sec. My cousin graduated from USC (Gould) in 2012. He had outstanding credentials even before then. Guess what he does now? He's a contract attorney. He only gets paid when there's work and sometimes it's infrequent. The wages seem to get lower with each assignment too. That's according to him. He owes a shit ton in student loans. Now I don't remember but I'm pretty sure USC's law school is a top 15 or 16 school or so. He made more prior to law school. Now he owes about $100K and he makes less. Would he call that a good investment? And you're wrong if you think you'll buck the trend. And based on your comment you don't seem to have the temperament or intelligence to even come close to biglaw. And with that, fuck you.

    1. Agreed.

      I was just going to post a similar entry.

      Listen Dummy, the world isn't looking for another average attorney.. 410 PM's cousin graduated from a decent school and didn't make it. What makes you think you'll outcompete average, let alone attorneys with these above average credentials out there in the workforce?

      Answer: You won't. It really is that simple.

      Unless you are female and / or black, you can't use the AA/EoE Card. I don't know 'bout black, but you aren't a female. You are automatically at a disadvantage. Many, in fact.

      You've been warned..

      See you in 3 years or so when you'll come back as Mr. Infinity II. You and many others, in fact.

  5. 6/104 in medium law, 53/104 in law at all. Only 6% with high-paying jobs, 51% with ANY legal job, but 100% with taxpayer-backed student loans. Shameful.

    I also think the "other expenses" estimate is low. Hawaii has a high cost of living. I think they're fudging all their rent/transport/food numbers.

    Are these cost of living estimates checked or regulated in any way? Lowballing these estimates may make a school look a little less expensive, luring the lemmings in, and then when they can't live on that, the school can claim the student is spoiled or extravagant.

    1. Are you accusing law schools of being less than forthright? Of putting their own financial interests above their students? Heavens no! Perish the thought! You have scandalized the legal education establishment, the sterling pillar of American society that it is.

      Of course it's not checked. These low-life common thieves will lie and say anything in order to get their grimy greedy hands on another filthy dollar procured through destroyed lives.

  6. http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/print-edition/2013/11/22/fewer-applying-to-law-school.html?page=all

    I think their administration is still in the denial stage.

  7. To the first commenter,

    I will not publish your IP, since your classmates might see this post. Based on the location, it is clear that you are not attending a name brand law school. Plus, this could be a flame from someone who hates “Darnell” – and merely wants to make him a punching bag on this blog.

    In the event that you are honestly butthurt over this site and the cold, hard facts – and assuming that you can read - then you need to check out the following article. On May 14, 2014, Slate published a Jim Saksa piece labeled “You Can Do Anything With a Law Degree.” The subtitle is “That’s what everyone says. Turns out everyone’s wrong.” Look at this opening:


    “When I was considering going to law school, I asked my dad for some advice. What if I don’t like being an attorney? What if I don’t end up like The West Wing’s Sam Seaborn, jumping between a lucrative private practice and rewarding government work? “Don’t worry,” said my usually sagacious father, “you can do anything with a law degree.”

    My dad isn’t an attorney. But now I am, and let me assure you: My dad didn’t know what he was talking about.

    Everyone who has ever considered law school has heard some variant of “you can do anything with a law degree.” Of course, this statement isn’t technically true. You can’t practice medicine with it, for example, unless you also have a medical degree (which, to the delight of Sallie Mae, some J.D.s also have). But the more general sentiment, that a law degree will afford you a wide range of opportunities, is also total BS.

    Getting a J.D. means you can call yourself a lawyer. That’s it. Besides the approval of Jewish mothers (who prefer doctors anyway) and a drinking problem, it won’t give you anything else. And it sure as hell won’t help you get a nonlegal job.”

    You are not in the running for Biglaw. This means that the best outcome you can hope for is to land in a small boutique firm. If you do not end up in such a position, you will have one hell of a time trying to find decent, non-law work.

    Now, read this portion of the author’s conclusion:

    “Berman believes that more college kids should focus on finding their “unique genius.” (“I know it sounds really California new age-y,” he says, adding, “what can I say, I went to Berkeley.”) If you find that specialized skillset outside of law, there’s no reason to get a J.D. “If I had the patience at 22 [for self-reflection], I wouldn’t have gone to law school,” he says.

    That’s sensible, considering that human resource managers outside the legal world treat a J.D. as the scarlet acronym. “Generally, I imagine they’re going to be too expensive with not enough relevant experience to justify the salary,” says Maureen Chu, an HR and operations manager in D.C. She believes that law school gives candidates a competitive disadvantage. “It’s lost time. Whatever you learned in law school is not useful to what we need. So every other candidate has three years on you.”

    Do you have better insight than this HR and Operations manager?!?! In the end, if you choose to attend law school, then you will be the one who is repeatedly ass-raped by the law school pigs - and financially ruined for life. Your decision will not add another dime to my student debt.

    1. Nando, you're a class act. You just went out of your way to offer relevant information and good advice to an obnoxious jerk who doesn't care and wont listen.

      Your karma is waiting for you and will undoubtedly be good.

  8. There were only 104 graduates from this class? I wonder if that is any indication kids are starting to understand the scam. I figured a lot more would attend law school in paradise.

  9. I have been in the law long enough to see the ugly side. It is not a profession where the pros are always happy and living a fulfilling life. To have a job where you are at the mercy of variance can be insanely stressful and can lead to a lot of unhealthy habits. I would not recommend for someone to try and make it as a lawyer, unless they go to a very top law school and/or had serious connections.

    It is also a profession where the law students are always losing their money and going into terrible debt for the sake of maybe being able to land a paying job. The losers lose way more money at this game than winners are winning. A lot of this is money they can’t afford to lose. This is fine of course because if someone is dumb enough to gamble with money they can't afford to lose, that’s their problem. I’m not really buying that though. In a perfect world, markets are based on informed consumers making rational transactions. In reality, sadly, that’s not the case. Markets are based on law school advertising trying to play on peoples impulses and targeting their weaknesses in order for them to make irrational decisions. I get it if someone wants to go to law school on their own free will, but I don’t agree with law school being advertised just like I don’t agree with cigarettes and alcohol being advertised.

    Law school marketers come up with ridiculous self-serving arguments like there are so many uses for a law degree(not true, for many it is a huge negative for those tat try to get non-law jobs with a JD on their resume), a value of law degree has to be measured over a lifetime(because graduates cannot find jobs after they graduate), the mythical and unproven mass retirement of older lawyers creating huge demand for graduates sometime in the future, and so on.

    It bothers me law deans and law professors care so much about a law school's well-being, tenure, rank, and enrollment numbers. Law schools have very little accountability because of student loans. As law school is a gamble that has such a net negative effect on the people playing it. Both financially and emotionally. Student loans are a trap for too many. So easy to get. The law schools thrive only so long as they are able to trick more people to go into six-figure debt for a chance to enter this glutted field with limited opportunities.

    I do see it as a very dark pursuit. The system disproportionately benefits a group of professors, making six figures to teach maybe four hours a week, with summers off, sabbaticals, tenure, and more.

  10. All of higher ed is a fucking scam. ADs and head coaches of football and men's basketball make millions at the big schools. The players get a scholarship because they can dunk a basketball or run a post pattern. But that's all they get, You think these athletes are there for class? The schools and NCAA and networks make big money off these kids.

    When athletics goes over budget, the school charges more fees from students. Or the criminals move money from another department to cover red spending by sports teams. Anybody can see this. Look at the practice facilities, weight rooms, game areas, nutritional plans. You think these schools give one shit about these athletes? If you as a college athlete want to transfer to another school you have to wait a year before being on the new school's team. If you're a greedy cocksucking head coach you can leave your school and break your contract for a better job somewhere else. Fuck, you can even leave for more money with no penalty even if your old school is now on probation because you're an asshole.

  11. I have been an attorney for almost 25 years and I can tell you that now is the worst time to enter law school and this dying "profession."

    Robin Williams' death really touched a chord within me. Many lawyers, including myself, suffer from depression that is exacerbated by this stressful field. I am a recovering alcoholic who also had an addiction to pain killers and uppers. I have been divorced 2x and I can tell you the law made me a miserable person. By most people's definition of success, I have had my share of that. I worked in Biglaw, in-house at a Fortune 250 company and was a partner in mid-law.

    By the age of 39, I had a stroke even though I was on my college's track team and had an athlete's physique at 25. The lifestyle that law promotes is unhealthy and a silent killer. I graduated with no student loans but everyday I wish I could go back and NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL. When I read about kids going to law school and incurring $100K in debt to enter this toxic field, I really question the intelligence of today's generation.

    I remember when I became an alcoholic. I rarely drank in college or law school. When I became an associate, I dealt with many asshole partners and clients. I resorted to alcohol in order to numb my senses and make this noxious environment tolerable to me. Soon thereafter, I stopped caring about the job and only lived to quench the thirst of the elixir that made everything bearable. Today, I attend support groups which contain lawyers that are on serious narcotics.

    Yet, these kids who dream of being "Elle Woods" or some other fictional fantasy character are clueless of what fate awaits them when they are thrust into the pernicious legal job market. If they are lucky to get a job, their career will be a daily walk in an explosive minefield. This is not the way to live. If you ask, if not law then what? The answer is ANYTHING but the law--at least you won't be buried in soul crushing debt for the rest of your life and shackled to a degree that is worthless and will close more doors than it opens.

    1. Thank you for having the courage to give us the sobering facts (no pun intended.)

      I was a very serious athlete too, but stress, fear and guilt destroyed all the mental and physical conditioning within a few years. My advice to everyone is to be very careful about which rat race you decide to enter..

    2. I was fortunate to get all my alcohol and substance abuse issues resolved before law school, and remain thankful to not have relapsed during that whole miserable experience. I saw a lot of people develop unmanageable habits during law school, and I still worry for them.

      An adderall or two for that all nighter before finals coupled with a few drinks to take off the edge when it's over takes its toll down the road. I didn't expect to see cocaine use in law school, but it was more commonplace than most people choose to accept. The habits one develops in law school certainly carry on in one's professional life.

      You're absolutely correct that this is a very stressful field, and it is no surprise that a disproportionate number of lawyers end up with serious addiction and mental health issues. One shitty client can take years off an attorney's life, and shitty clients are becoming more a rule than an exception. It's a miserable life for many, and there's no wonder why so many lawyers can't make a relationship work

      I guess it's a good thing that state bars have lawyer assistance programs with lots of free help. However, the damage done is usually pretty bad before an attorney finally admits that things got completely out of control.

      Of course, nobody really wants to discuss this ugly side of the legal profession. It's bad for business.

      Prospective law students should really pay attention to stories like yours. Nobody ever thinks they're going to wind up addicted or depressed. But it does happen, and the legal profession is just the type of environment for these kind of mental health issues to manifest themselves.

    3. Thank you for your kind words 8/13/14 @ 12:58PM. The rub in all this is that despite telling young kids my story, they will still flock to the law schools because the law school industry has inculcated this belief that a JD translates to wealth or an above-average style of living. The law school deans and professors don't need to shill hard and just sit back and count the federal student loan dollars that are funding a "pipe dream." Meanwhile, the parents of these kids or the kids themselves will resent you for attempting to "destroy" their dream from the cradle by telling the sobering truth about this profession. I have seen too many idealists go through the law school/profession gauntlet. In the end, they are fighting a juggernaut since an overwhelming majority of law grads will succumb to the ills that I was afflicted with.

    4. Law is filled with Sociopathic practitioners, but that still does not explain how you allowed yourself to get in such a lousy mental and physical state. Most lawyers are not happy with their jobs,but few would give them up to do other things . . except for the ones who can't stand it. Sounds like you were one of them . . . . So why did you stay with this profession. We can say all we want how a law degree stops you from doing other things. Maybe true, but not all things. There are lots of jobs where a law degree or having been a practicing lawyer would be beneficial. Insurance sales, erisa plans, social security adviser, wealth builder at a bank . . . I can think of lots of things. Can't understand staying in a profession you detest.

  12. Elle Woods had a 4.0GPA, top LSAT numbers, an admission ticket to Harvard and was from an ultra-rich family.

  13. The legal profession produces a lot of unhappy lawyers and judges. First, the work attracts a lot of assholes. And second, zealously representing clients is going to wreak havoc on you, your working relationship with other lawyers and your personal relationships.

    Sometimes it's easier to wind down a shitty day with a stiff drink rather than kick your dog because of some asshole judge or client from hell. During orientation when you hear the dean talk about the so-called noble profession and Furthering justice, you know these people are sheltered and have never really spent any time in the muck. Idealism is for schmucks. Results are what matter in the real world.

  14. Take a look at this TLS Wiki entry for the William $. Richard$on Sewer of Law. From the overview:


    "For many, spending three years in Honolulu would be dream come true; it behooves future law students to remember, however, that the majority of their time will be spent in the library, not at the beach. And so, prospective students should look beyond the University Of Hawaii Richardson School Of Law's picturesque location when deciding whether to attend. It is likely that they will not be disappointed with what they find-though job-placement statistics will undoubtedly serve as cause for concern."

    Sadly, many idiots are sold on the location. Apparently, these dunces will gladly trade three years in Hawai'i for a lifetime of financial hell. If these kids were any dumber, you would have to place them on a windowsill and water them twice a week.

    Now, review this summary of the commode:


    "Hawaii's quality of life is tough to beat, as is the school's low cost of attendance; but many Hawaii graduates struggle to find work, and those that do are often limited geographically. These are all factors, among many others, that any prospective student should keep in mind when evaluating the University of Hawaii Richardson School of Law."

    Do you still want to attend this trash pit, Lemming?!?! Again, no one gives a damn if you attend law school in paradise. You will regret your decision, when you end up owing a mortgage in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt - and cannot find decent employment.

    1. The QOL in Hawaii isn't what potential Lemmings need to worry about. I'm sure it is "tough to beat".

      You know what else is tough to beat?

      The crappy job prospects, a lifetime of non-dischargeable debt, and years wasted on a useless JD degree from schools like this..

      In fact, it's not merely tough to beat. It's impossible.

    2. I seriously doubt if the COA in Hawaii is anything to write home about.

      If you can't get a major discount at Pepperdine or San Diego, then forget about going to the beach during law school.

    3. I have known 2 people who moved to Hawaii. Both moved back to the mainland after a few years. Both gave as reasons the high COL (for EVERYTHING) and both said that once you get used to the beaches there really isnt much there to do.

    4. If you want to spend a few years in Hawaii, you are way better off working in the hospitality/hotel industry, or in education. If you are bilingual (esp in Japanese or other Asian languages) you can find work in an instant. You will wind up with a lot less debt and more time on the beach.

      Lots of people live in Hawaii -- you probably can, too, if that's what you really want. No need to waste your life on a useless bottom-tier law school.

      The worst thing about Hawaii is the public school system - rated worst in the US for a reason.

      The law profs at U Hawaii almost certainly have their kids in private schools. If you attend law school at Manoa, you will help pay for this!!

      At the same time, you will rack up debt that will keep your kids back for their lifetimes. Isn't it great to set your kids back to help profs' kids get ahead? You won't be able to afford to live in a decent school district, but the profs kids will be in the cushiest, most insulated private schools. Think about this, before you sign that loan document.

  15. Here's the question to ask yourselves. Is 3 years in Hawaii worth a lifetime of financial ruin?

  16. Review this info, and then figure out if you still want to piss away your future on a TTT law degree:



    According to the University of Hawaii’s official 2013 ABA-required disclosures, 50.9% of the Class of 2013 obtained full-time, long-term, JD-required employment nine months after graduation. The University of Hawaii's Law School Transparency under-employment score is 25%, indicating the percentage of the Class of 2013 unemployed, pursuing an additional degree, or working in a non-professional, short-term, or part-time job nine months after graduation.


    The total cost of attendance (indicating the cost of tuition, fees, and living expenses) at the University of Hawaii for the 2014-2015 academic year is $37,934 for residents of HI and $57,662 for non-residents. The Law School Transparency estimated debt-financed cost of attendance for three years is $135,422 for residents and $211,473 for non-residents.” [Internal citations removed]

    Now scroll down to the In$TTTiTTTuTTTe$ section of this page:


    “Hammurabi Legal Forum

    The Hammurabi Legal Forum for the Rule of Law (HLF) was established in 2008 at the University of Hawaii William S. Richardson School of Law to aid law schools in Iraq re-invigorate the country's rich tradition of scholarship.[29] By providing an easily accessible online database of free legal resources, HLF originally sought to provide information on issues that are important to Iraq and the Iraqi legal community. In 2009, the HLF expanded its efforts to assist Rule of Law activities in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. In 2010, HLF further expanded its research to incorporate additional regions of the globe, including Afghanistan and the Pacific Region, with a special focus on Timor-Leste.”

    Yes, what a great use of federal taxpayer funds, right?!?! Any defenders who claim that this forum is financed and maintained through private donations cannot get around the fact that this is a public toilet that feeds off of state and federal dollars.

    By the way, swine: Hammurani was known for code which called for “an eye for an eye.” If he were around today, then he would likely call for the law school pigs to be castrated for deliberately wrecking the lives of LEGIONS of students.

  17. Nando, this is just pure TTTT gold...

    The number two law school in the country is changing its name to Western Michigan University Cooley Law School. I just don't understand why such a prestigious institution would change their name.


    Between this and Professor Campos' roasting of Florida Coastal, I'd say a tip of the hat is definitely in order. The cockroaches are scurrying around now that some light is being shined on them.

    Keep up the great work, sir. I don't think it will be much longer until these bastards will be put out of business once and for all.

  18. I graduated from WRSL. I hated it. QOL in Hawaii is shit. Cost of living is ridiculous, and I'm a fool for financing my life and education there with loans.

    If I could go back in time I NEVER would have gone to any law school let alone Richardson. Even if my tuition was free. Although my classmates seemed happy and some apparently found decent jobs, I would not recommend law school (and specifically THIS school) to anyone I didn't despise with every fiber of my being.

  19. @Anonymous

    Even if the tuition was free? I live in Hawaii and am considering attending WRSL because I want to continue to live and work in Hawaii. Yes, I know it is a less than ideal situation. I had a 3.8 and 172 LSAT but tanked my last semester of college due to a myriad of personal issues. I even ended up with a D in one class and so I gave up any hope of BigLaw dreams.

    I wonder what you or Nando's opinion would be on someone attending a TTT like Hawaii even if I won't have to take on any debt due to scholarships. I also know I am smarter and more capable than any of my 100 potential classmates. If I were to graduate top of my class (maybe even add on a dual MBA?) and take on 0 debt, would I still dooming myself? I have a feeling I know what the answer is, but I just love Hawaii and want to continue to live here and figured I might have a shot in midlaw if I come out top of the class.

    Should I just find anything else to do with my life? I felt like I genuinely wanted to become a lawyer, but after my undergrad fuck up, I have no real plan anymore.

    Is this school still a complete waste of time even in the best possible scenario (0 debt, top 5% of class) for someone who wants to work as a lawyer in Hawaii?


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