Tuesday, September 2, 2014

Fourth Tier Corroded Waste: California Western School of Law


https://www.cwsl.edu/admissions-and-financial-aid/jd-admissions/tuition-and-fees

Tuition: The pigs list tuition on a per semester basis. Plus, the bitches and hags do not list the rate for the current school year, on this page. However, full-time students at this dung heap were slapped with $44,700 in tuition – for the 2013-2014 academic year. Part-time victims were “only” charged $31,300 in tuition, for 2013-2014.

https://www.cwsl.edu/admissions-and-financial-aid/financial-aid/financial-aid-application-process/cost-of-attendance

Total Estimated Cost of Attendance: On this page, the toilet lists full-time tuition for 2014-2015 as $45,800. Those attending on a part-time basis will only pay $32,000 this school year. The jackals estimate that other costs will add up to $24,128. As such, the total COA for full-time students is $69,928.

Keep in mind that the bitches and hags at ABA-accredited diploma mills base living expenses off a nine month academic calendar. In fact, the rodents at California We$TTTTern Sewer of Law explicitly state that their estimate is “per 8-month academic year.” Seeing that actual students will require costs over the full year, we will prorate the following items: room and board; transportation; and miscellaneous. Doing so, we reach a more accurate, estimated COA of $81,267 – for one damn year of law school at this commode! We are talking about a single year at a fourth tier garbage can.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+7

Ranking: Based on these ridiculous costs listed above, one would expect this school to have an excellent reputation, correct?!?! According to US “News” & World Report, California We$TTTTern Sewer of Law is a FOURTH TIER TRASH PIT! No one cares if you spent three years in sunny San Diego, if you cannot find a decent job afterward.

https://www.cwsl.edu/student-life/student-services/career-and-professional-development/prospective-students/employment-statistics

Published Employment Placement Figures: On this page, head to the section for Class of 2013. Click on the link for the ABA Summary Report for this unfortunate group. According to the Employment Summary for 2013 graduates of this dump, there were 281 members of this TTTT cohort. Yes, the school really looks out for their students, right?!?!

Of this total, 162 were employed – in some capacity – within nine months of graduation. The festering stink pit states that job status was known for everyone in this class. This translates to a “placement” rate of 57.65 percent. You read that correctly, people. Fully 100 members of this cohort were unemployed and seeking, while 14 men and women were out of work but not looking. Four souls were pursuing another graduate degree full time, and one person had their start date deferred.

When you dig a little deeper, you quickly realize that the numbers are even more pathetic. For instance, of the 123 grads employed in jobs requiring bar passage, only 99 are in long-term, full-time positions. Eleven are working full-time in part-time positions, whereas three JDs are in part-time, long-term posts and 10 more are in garbage jobs that are short-term and part-time.

In fact, overall only 124 graduates from the California Western “School” of Law found long-term, full-time employment within nine months of receiving their law degrees. This equals 44.1% of the entire class. Who wouldn’t want to piss away their future, i.e. accumulate ludicrous amounts of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for such outcomes?!?!

Under Employment Type, you will notice that 90 JDs from this group found jobs in law firms. Of that figure, 11 were desperate solos and another 69 went to work for offices of 2-10 attorneys. In stark contrast, one damn person was employed by a firm with 101-250 lawyers - and one more was hired by an office with more than 500 attorneys. Hell, two graduates from the Class of 2013 landed federal court clerkships.  Apparently, the American Bar Association cockroaches are not too embarrassed to accredit this piece of trash.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings

Average Law Student Indebtedness: USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the California We$TTTTern JD Class of 2013 who incurred debt for law school - as $157,748. To put this into perspective for you lemmings, this is the FOURTH HIGHEST debt total on the chart. Plus, this figure seems low, when you take the annual cost of attendance into account. In addition, fully 90 percent of this vile dung heap’s 2013 cohort took on such toxic debt. Remember that this figure does not include undergraduate debt – and also does not take accrued interest into account, while the student is enrolled.

Conclusion: Do not even consider attending this atrocious pile of filthy excrement. If you are still contemplating this school, then ask yourself the following: How will you be served by incurring an additional $170K-$240K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a TTTT law degree – while looking for legal employment in the SECOND MOST GLUTTED lawyer job market in the entire country?  Don't forget that the published “placement” rate for the toilet’s Class of 2013 was 57.65% - and that includes legal, non-law, part-time, full-time, short term and long term jobs.

If you are enrolled in this commode, then you deserve your fate. I do not excuse the academic thieves for their conduct. However, you know the odds when you attend a fourth tier sewage pit. Do not complain later that you were scammed by the law school pigs. The message has been out for years, dumbass. At this point in time, only those who are wealthy, extremely connected or privileged should go to law school. Everyone else is playing roulette – with their lives.

36 comments:

  1. Why would anyone go to a tier 4 shithole and take out $150K+ in loans? That's like pouring honey on yourself and walking into a bear cave.

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  2. If you take that 99 number of people employed in long term, full time, bar pass required jobs and subtract the 11 poor desperate souls that opened up their own practice, that gives you 88 real lawyer jobs (I am skeptical of even that number, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt). 88 out of 281 graduates is 31%! ONLY 31% OF THIS GRADUATING CLASS GOT REAL LAWYER JOBS! DON'T. GO. TO. LAW. SCHOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. And of those, at least 40 people had a family connection that hooked them up with their job, so those jobs were never really in contention.

      It becomes glaringly obvious that a large chunk of students have certain connections. And good on them for only going to law school with those connections, but the unconnected must understand how stacked the deck is against them.

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  3. This place actually has the cojones to advertise a 72% bar passage rate as some sort of success story on their front page. They're an exceptional 3% above the average pass rate.

    You stay classy, California Western.

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    1. I have been an attorney for over 25 years and graduated and secured employment in a different universe when Law School was reasonably priced. I had every advantage but regret passing the bar and becoming a lawyer.
      I could only describe my employment history as one filled with abuse. I discovered that the firms and lawyers viewed even a new lawyer as competition. I found that Legal employers and law firms do not have your best interests at heart.
      Working as a solo practitioner was even worse. My clients both civil and criminal were even more manipulative and abusive than any of my former legal employers. Clients would consistently attempt to bribe me to become involved in unethical and sometimes illegal behavior. I would spend many hours taking defensive measures against my own clients that in the end often worked to both our benefit.
      I was never tempted to do anything wrong in part because during most of my career my spouse worked full time and my practice was merely a second income. I was able to pay my student loans in full only because the initial amount was less than 40,000, my spouse was employed and I was lucky and obtained a few favorable jury verdicts. As an associate I felt abused, as a solo I felt alone. As an attorney I learned never to trust anyone, not the people that work for you, and especially not your clients. I also learned never to trust other lawyers and discovered that best practice was not to discuss anything relating to my business with them. I did have a good experience working for the government and regret ever leaving government employment. However it's my understanding that currently government jobs are now very competitive.
      Maybe other more talented individuals have had a better experience however, most of the lawyers I know lead fairly miserable lives, and I believe most are in worse position than I am. Many of the lawyers I know are in their late 40s and have never been married and have dysfunctional personal relationships. Some have been disbarred and others are in prison. There need to be a study on the long term outcomes of those that do pass the bar and have had extensive careers as lawyers. The reason that no such study exists might be that ABA, Law School industry fear the results.

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    2. Ah yes, 1:33, I'm discovering all of this as painfully as you put it. Law schools don't talk about the dirtier side of the "noble" profession much, do they.

      I'm sure this particular instiTTTTution paints a pretty picture of the "noble" profession just as mine did. Just as one has to basically learn how to practice law outside of law school, one has to learn how to navigate a virtual minefield of ethical and psychological hazards.

      I've found that the people who have found the most success were people who already had money and connections before ever enrolling. I'm like you in the sense that my wife has the better job between the two of us (gave up on doc review and am starting a solo practice--along with another part time job). There's simply no way I'd be able to do this kind of work alone, and would probably be suicidal if it weren't for having a good marriage.

      There is a definite need for sites like TTR, and Nando is doing people a real favor by profiling this predatory industry and giving its victims a voice. Stories like yours are far more common than the law schools or media would choose to admit.

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  4. When these law schools are featured I cannot fathom how many there are. For example, this law school is another one that I never heard of. And also, this school estimates $70k for tuition and other costs for ONE YEAR! Assuming this is correct, that is beyond ridiculous. Your estimate of over $80k is even worse. How does anyone pay off such debt along with the interest? It just doesn't seem feasible.

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    1. I had to look at the title twice myself. Not Western New England, but this.

      I too had never even heard of this school although Wikipedia has it listed as a very old institution.

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  5. Even going back 40 years ago there were probably still about 150 schools.

    But things were more sustainable then because most of these schools were fairly humble. Relatively inexpensive tuition, small number of faculty and administrators, relatively small classes and fairly austere facilities.

    Now of course almost all schools charge the earth, have a lot of faculty, big classes and lavish facilities.

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  6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofAQtE7zHe0&list=PL93CFEDFCB528941A&index=1

    Play that banjo.

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    1. Get a job, lazy motherfucker.

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    2. Mr. Koch, please refrain from posting.

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  7. ^ 441,

    Squash that Paintroach.

    Go the fuck away, you lazy pile of roach-shit John Koch.

    Go "borrow" some money from your parents and use it to get your lips surgically grafted to Joshua Adams's butthole. I realize that booty isn't your favorite color, but I guess that bootybeggars can't be bootychoosers.

    Seriously, Paintroach - nobody wants you to post your stupid shit/YouTube links here. Why don't you actually try to find a job for once in your life? You have no idea how different you'd feel if you started spending your own money for once.

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  8. Watching YouTube videos IS my job, you racist piece of anon shit 5:21.

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  9. Average law student indebtedness: $157,748

    Interest on the principle adds at least another $20,000 to the tab. And that's in just 3 years. Now imagine if you go into forbearance or default on this shit. Sweet dreams, lemmings.

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    1. That's exactly the problem. You just nailed it.

      When you start high like this, it doesn't take very long to reach a critical mass, so to speak, of debt so large that it effectively becomes permanent and unable to be paid off.

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  10. If you take on that much debt and don't default or put your loans into forbearance you're still fucked.

    Think about the following: high state and local taxes, high cost of living, glutted job market. Let's say (for the sake of argument) you get one of those magical jobs where you're making $60K a year. After taxes (fed, state, local, sales and property) and FICA are taken out, you're looking at taking home $40K. Better not have too many slow years.

    Now toss in insurance. If you're working at a shitlaw firm, you'll have to buy your own individual policy. (Hint: this is much more expensive than if you belong to a big company.) Now you're down to about $33-35K.

    Ya still gotta pay your stupid fucking student loan. How's life looking now? I guess you might wanna eat and have a place to sleep too. Still want to go to this or any other ABA shithole?

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    1. Once you actually sit down and do a realistic budget estimatem say using Excel, it's obvious. In fact, you might just come up running negative.

      And I mean a real estimate: Food, gas, car, insurance, other expenses, clothes, heat, AC, water, and on and on and on.

      But no worries.. paying off that mortgage-sized debt for that house you don't own? No problem!!

      Right? Wrong.

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  11. And this is why legal education is such a scam.

    Law schools know good and well that they're churning out far more lawyers than the market can absorb. They know of the current student debt crisis, yet continue to charge ridiculous tuition rates because they know how easy it is to debt finance the cost of attendance under the current student loan structure.

    They know that an increasing number of their graduates will never be able to pay back these loans, and that the American taxpayer will ultimately end up eating all the toxic debt they're creating.

    They know that they're setting a substantial number of people up for failure, yet continue to engage in this predatory lending scheme.

    I say this because this current model is beyond unsustainable, and it's going to ultimately melt down like the subprime mortgage market did in '08. The more evidence that law schools knew about this, the easier it's going to be to haul these motherfuckers in front of Congress, state legislatures and hopefully a criminal court.

    I, for one, am looking forward to the day when these grifters and academic thieves are publicly disgraced and shamed out of existence. It's just sad to think of how many lives they will have ruined before it ultimately happens.

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    1. That's it exactly. It's knowing. It's with knowledge. "scienter" - 'memba that from Torts?

      Knowledge of wrongdoing. Maybe even rising to intentional malice. But we'll stick with 'scienter' for now.

      They know all about the outcomes, the debt, etc. Nope. Nobody cares because the Scam is legal and all they care about is the outcome for them - the money.

      Yes, a lot of these places, in simple terms, need to close and go down. And everybody would be better off for it.

      And 'grifters' is the right word. Exactly.

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    2. Thanks, 9:44. The cat is out of the bag now, and these bastards will no longer be able to play dumb when the torches and pitchforks come a calling. I expect nothing less than revolutionary change in the American legal industry, and heads are going to roll (sorry for the overuse of cliches).

      That's why I'm thankful for the courage of the scambloggers. They're the salt of the legal earth, and their efforts will ultimately be vindicated.

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  12. In case, you want to learn more about this vile garbage heap.

    https://www.cwsl.edu/about-us

    Fast Facts

    • San Diego’s oldest law school, celebrating its 90th anniversary in 2014
    • Independent, with the flexibility to adapt curriculum to meet the needs of the profession
    • Focused on preparing graduates for success on the bar exam and in practice
    • 10 clinics where students represent actual clients in criminal, immigration, trademark, legal aid, and internet law
    • More than 40 simulation and experiential courses offer hands-on learning
    • Financially stable, with no deferred maintenance and more than $100 million in assets
    • Located at the heart of San Diego’s legal and political community
    • Approximately 650 J.D. students

    Degrees Offered

    • Juris Doctor
    • Juris Doctor/Master of Business Administration (with SDSU)
    • Juris Doctor/Master of Social Work (with SDSU)
    • LL.M. in Trial Advocacy Specializing in Federal Criminal Law
    • M.C.L./LL.M for Foreign Law Graduates
    • MAS in Health Law (with UC San Diego)

    Wow! This is the oldest law school in San Diego!! For $ome rea$on, the pigs and leeches forgot to mention that Cal We$TTTTern Sewer of Law is ranked as a FOURTH TIER TRASH PIT – by US “News” & World Report. After all, that is a cold, hard fact.

    Also, does anyone really need a LLM in Trial Advocacy, with a specialization in federal criminal law?!?! Are any law firms making this a requirement? Hell, any prospective employer will see you as a mark – if you put this “credential” on your resume.

    http://www.balboapark.org/in-the-park

    After incurring such monstrous amounts of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, you may end up as a bum living in San Diego’s Balboa Park. The ABA-accredited toilet failed to mention that possible outcome. Then again, if you take on too many student loans, I suppose you could head south and walk away from them.

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  13. "After incurring such monstrous amounts of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, you may end up as a bum living in San Diego’s Balboa Park."

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    The bum has it better than those law school graduates.

    At least he's at zero. They aren't.

    No one expects him to pay back loans and he can get needed gov't benefits and possibly handouts without anyone raising an inquiring eye.

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    1. Exactly. A bum doesn't have any expectations attached to his trade. A lawyer, on the other hand, is somehow expected to shit money and care for others. Society finds compassion for the bum, not the indentured lawyer.

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  14. What about the bum that lives at home with his elderly parents and owes a shit ton of student loans all because he decided to get a law degree from fucking Touro (!) and then decided to never make a payment on that loan?

    I wonder if the new Superman vs. Batman movie will have them teaming up against Roach-Man. His superpower is being shiftless. Can the two superheroes get Gotham's biggest leech to stop suckig its parents dry? I wouldn't hold my breath. If Bruce Wayne wrote Roachie a $500K check, he'd spend it on beer and hookers. Not on his loans.

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  15. I am really shocked that anyone would attend this dump. 81k annual cost of attendance and not even a third of their grads got real lawyer jobs?? What are these people thinking??? Thats about a quarter of a million bucks when you include origination fees and accrued interest. Plus it is expensive to live there and the legal job market there is glutted.

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  16. If anybody must, absolutely must, for whatever reason, attend a law school, the math is simple and the numbers are plain as day. Don't attend any law school outside of the top thirty or so programs, and only if you get a guaranteed, full tuition discount. That means no stipulations attached - you keep the "scholarship" up to and including graduation. Say you get really sick your first semester and your grades suffer as a result. Should this put you deeper in debt? At many schools, it absolutely will.

    I'd maybe say, borrow a little more for the upper ranked, elite schools, but not much more. Take Northwestern - a top flight school, at which 70% of their students attend at "sticker price", give or take.

    Only about 50-55% of them will get Big Law jobs, and most of those jobs won't last for more than a few years, tops.

    Law school is a crap shoot, and the only real way to place the odds in your favor (other than not playing the game at all) is to minimize your total student debt load to living expenses, living frugally in school, and only attending a top tier school.

    Don't throw your financial future away at a shit law school.

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  17. http://www.yelp.com/biz/california-western-school-of-law-san-diego

    Check out this Yelp review from “Jack D.” – from December 3, 2008:

    “What are you, a shill for Cal Western? I graduated from the joint almost 20 years ago, and despite law review membership, various awards, graduating in two years and passing the California Bar on my first attempt (as well as a master's degree in another discipline) I've never been able to make a living as an attorney.

    Why?

    Well, unfortunately, prospective employers -- even those in San Diego -- view CWSL as a "fourth tier" school, and would rather "import" graduates from other cities (even other states) whose law schools they view as "elite." Unless you're a sexy broad or a guy with connections, getting a decent job as an associate post-CWSL is almost impossible.

    Don't believe the "90% placement rate garbage" --IT'S PURE [EXCREMENT], PROPAGANDA. Few graduates get jobs, and those who do typically make insultingly low salaries in disgusting locales. (E.G., the poor sap who is "happy" to take a $45 K job in the distict attorney's office in some flyblown hellhole in the Coachella Valley or 30 miles outside of Fresno.)

    Cal Western DOES have some excellent instructors, as good as those at over-hyped places like Harvard, UCLA and so on. Certainly, Professor Lynch, Professor Belknap and others are first-rate; indeed, I learned much from them and enjoyed their classes. However, these fine men can't, unfortunately, alter the fact that CWSL is an expensive institution whose graduates (unless well-financed sole practitioners) are unlikely to prosper.”

    Hell, this man made reference to preferred, protected and connected nearly six years ago, with regard to attending an ABA-accredited trash heap. He also noted that the pigs embellished their employment "placement" figures.

    On March 5, 2012, user “David G.” wrote the following gem:

    “Interesting that a law school is getting a write up on Yelp. Afterall, law students don't give a damn what people think because they often believe they are correct on all matters anyway. So despite the helpful reviews here, these smart law students will still pay Harvard prices for a 4th tier law school, and file bankruptcy in 3-4 years out of the gate. Get over yourself and consider the opinions of others, this school is not worth the money. Plus the few lawyers in my firm that went here, are not my firm's best. A new lawyer from this school can only realistically expect $45-50K per year.”

    By the way, it is comical to see so many Cal We$TTTTern Sewer of Law morons and rape victims get so butthurt over the honest reviews. It’s CLEAR that these dolts have a major inferiority complex. Then again, the average CW$L student has less intelligence than a cockroach.

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  18. Time to put Concordia Sewer of Law on blast next. I am sure you are already aware that they didn't get accreditation and as a result are losing a huge amount of students. I live in the Pacific Northwest region and this school is getting a lot of buzz. I hope they shut their doors down.

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  19. Cal Western is a miserable shithole.

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  20. Back on April 13, 2013, “dybbuk” posted a hilarious article, which was entitled “California Western School of Law is going to the dogs.” Read the entire piece, if you are interested in comedy gold.

    http://outsidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2013/04/california-western-school-of-law-is.html

    “Can you mock something and approve of it at the same time? This photo depicts Neils Schaumann, President and Dean of the California Western School of Law, petting a dog. The photo appears on the "events calendar" of the California Western School of Law site and is meant to promote the school's Student and Diversity Services' "Law Dogs on Campus" event on April 15th. The California Western site urges law students to "[t]ake a finals study break and spend some quality time with trained therapy dogs."

    I think this is a good idea. Therapy dogs have proven their value in providing comfort to persons suffering from anxiety or post-traumatic stress. The dogs selected to be trained as therapy dogs have particularly patient and affectionate dispositions, as the picture illustrates. Though, given that the animal depicted on the left is a fourth-tier law school dean, it is to be hoped that the animal on the right has recently gorged on beef liver and suffers from a temporarily inflamed bowel.

    I expect that the California Western law students will get stress relief from petting these dogs, just as promised. So congratulations, without irony, to California Western Law School Student and Diversity Services for hosting a worthwhile event.

    The dogs don't care that California Western School of Law is a bottom-of-the-barrel law school, one of the 57 out of 201 ABA accredited schools that US News & World Report did not bother to rank.

    The dogs don't care that the average graduate of the California Western School of Law is carrying an incredible law school related debt of $167,867, which is the second highest debt level among the 201 ABA accredited schools-- a debt level calculation, incidentally, that excludes undergraduate educational debt, and interest accrued thereon.

    The dogs don't care that the employment prospects of California Western law grads are dismal. Only 40.3% of the graduating class of 2012 obtained bar-required, full-time, long-term, non-solo jobs within nine months of graduation, and only 36.5% obtained such jobs in 2011. For both years, California Western's placement record was among the 40 worst of the 201 accredited law schools.

    The dogs don't care that California has had a severe and recurring budget crisis for several years, so that the chances of a recent law grad obtaining a state public sector job remain worse there than elsewhere, which is saying a lot. Indeed, out of the 568 total members of California Western's graduating classes of 2011 and 2012, a mere 33 obtained a full-time judicial clerkship (at any level) or a full-time government job within nine months of graduation.

    The dogs don't care that California has an unusually difficult bar exam.

    The dogs don't care, but these points combined are likely to have a catastrophic impact on a graduating California Western law student's prospects in the human world.” [Internal citations removed]

    Yes, what an eliTTTTe in$TTTTiTTTTuTTTTion, huh?!?! Who in their right mind would even contemplate attending this filth pit?!

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  21. The Valvoline Dean has stepped down!

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    1. http://lawschooltruthcenter.blogspot.com/2014/08/valvoline-dean-slippin-out.html

      It's no fun being Dean anymore, is it sweetheart?

      We scambloggers ruined it for you.

      "In the wake of the George Washington Bridge scandal, Gov. Chris Christie recruited Hobbs, 54, to a new position as ombudsman in the governor's office. Hobbs, the governor said, would have free rein to police any wrongdoing, conduct ethics training and improve email policies among Christie's staff and inner circle of advisers."

      And, does anyone else see more than a tad of irony in these statements?

      Fox guarding the hen house.

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  22. I can tell you as a graduate of this school, I had a not so great experience. I now live in my car. Thanks Cal Western.

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