Sunday, October 19, 2014

Slick Bird Droppings: Applications to the University of Louisville Brandeis School of Law Have Dropped 59% in the Last Three Years

Tremendous News!: The Courier-Journal published an Andrew Wolfson article entitled “Law school applications plummet – at U of L too,” on October 14, 2014.  Look at the following excerpt:

“Brandon McReynolds seemed an ideal fit for the University of Louisville's Brandeis School of Law.

McReynolds, 23, already had undergraduate and Master's degrees in sociology from U of L. He'd been chief justice of the student government association's Supreme Court. He had a passionate interest in addressing inequality. And he not only had applied to Brandeis, he'd gotten in.

But he decided not to go. The reason, he said: "There are too many lawyers out there." Even paying in-state tuition of $18,578 a year, he feared he'd be forever saddled with debt.

McReynolds is not alone. Prospective law students are staying away from the University of Louisville law school — and other law schools — in droves.

Mirroring a national trend, applications to Brandeis plummeted 59 percent over the past three years, to 618 from 1,495, while enrollment of first-year students dipped nearly 30 percent, to 94 from 132.” [Emphasis mine]

In the past, this kid – who fits the lemming prototype to a T - would have enrolled in the law school and bragged his ass off to all of his friends and colleagues. Hell, he would have thought that he was on cloud nine, and then proceeded to post his “great news” on social media for the world to see. If a relatively affordable school such as Brandeis SOL cannot keep this guy on campus, then the pigs are in trouble.

Later on, the piece continued:

“While academics describe the enrollment declines as a crisis, practicing lawyers in Louisville celebrate it, hoping it will reduce the number of attorneys in a market they say is glutted.

"This is great news," said Alex Fleming, a criminal defense lawyer and 1990 Brandeis grad.

"There are way too many lawyers, and some of them are starving," added Gus "Skip" Daleure, U of L law school class of 1978.

Fleming, who now wishes he'd become a pilot, said shows like "L.A. Law," which aired from 1986 to 1994, enticed huge numbers of people into law but "more and more people are now disenchanted with it. It is not the glamorous career that TV portrayed it to be." [Emphasis mine]

Does anyone find it odd that those who practice law for a living have reached the conclusion that there are too damn many attorneys, while the academic swine – who haven’t represented anyone in decades – don’t even address the realities of the lawyer job market?!?! That alone shows you that the “professors” and administrators do not care about their students and recent graduates. They simply see them as a means to an end.

Other Coverage: On October 15, Jim Vassallo posted a JD Journal entry labeled “Drastic Drop in Applications at Brandeis School of Law.” Check out this opening:

“Following along with the national trend, The University of Louisville Brandeis School of Law has seen a decline in law student applications, according to The Courier-Journal.

Applications to Brandeis have dropped by 59 percent over the past three years. The numbers dropped from 1,495 to 618 as enrollment of first-year law students dipped by 30 percent from 132 to 94.

Enrollment in law schools across the country has dropped by 24 percent from 2010.

“The message out there is that it is not a good investment,” said Susan Duncan, interim dean of U of L’s law school. She disagrees with that notion, saying that Brandeis has been routinely named a ‘best value’ by National Jurist.

The law school has been trying new things to increase enrollment. The school has advertised in college papers, recruited foreign students, emailed top undergraduate students and offered programs for human resource professionals.

A partner from Stites & Harbison, John Tate, was named a ‘distinguished alumnus’ of Brandeis in 2011. Tate said, “I submit anyone with the intelligence to consider a legal education will have serious second thoughts about incurring massive debt in an uncertain future.” [Emphasis mine]

It’s always great to see reporters cite to the national trend, whenever they mention that one school is seeing a big-ass drop in applications. Cockroach Susan Duncan doesn’t realize that nobody gives a damn about the NaTTTional Juri$TTT, a publication that depends on ABA-accredited toilets for advertising revenue.

In contrast, John Tate was correct in noting that students are leery of taking on enormous amounts of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt - simply to enter a GLUTTED field. Perhaps, the vile rodents view purchasing ad space in college newspapers as a wise use of taxpayers funds and “limited resources.” Maybe the bitches and hags at this commode should hold a bake sale, in order to keep this turd afloat.

Conclusion: Don’t even consider applying to or attending this festering cesspool. According to this chart from Dan Filler, only 66.93% of the Univer$ity of Loui$ville Brandei$ Sewer of Law Class of 2012 landed non-school positions that required a JD and were long-term and full-time. And many of those jobs don’t pay that well or offer much security. By the way, US “News” & World Report rates this garbage pit as the 87th greatest, most magnificent and amazing law school in the country. Yay! Don’t forget to tell people that when you are selling them insurance policies, serving them pizzas, or bouncing them out of your employer nightclub.


  1. “While academics describe the enrollment declines as a crisis, practicing lawyers in Louisville celebrate it, hoping it will reduce the number of attorneys in a market they say is glutted.

    "This is great news," said Alex Fleming, a criminal defense lawyer and 1990 Brandeis grad.

    * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

    Glad the fucking lawyers are bothering to speak the fuck up at last - at least a decade too late, but at least some have discovered the balls to open their mouths and tell it like it is in public.

    1. 'Every cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket'

      That describes the legal profession perfectly.

  2. 87th best law school? That's like being the 20th place beauty contestant at the Hanover County Fair.

    1. Sure. But as long as she's still got a cunt underneath the panties, there's going to be a long line of guys willing to fuck her.

      Same with law schools. As long as it awards ABA-accredited JDs, there's going to be a long line of retards who will stand there and stuff their student loan cocks in it.

      Even an ugly chick (or law school) can get more cock that it can handle if it just spreads its legs.

      Admittedly, the 87th law school in the country is probably the equivalent of a chick repeatedly licking her fingers and stuffing them up her ass while she masturbates on, but it'll still attract a certain type of retarded pervert.

    2. As a perv myself, I find that mildly offensive. Yet also arousing. Post more.

  3. Whatever this law school and the many others have been selling is obviously not working anymore. The profession of law is shit to most graduates and it cannot be concealed or silenced. Let us all wait for the first law school to close as I hope it will be soon.

  4. Close this shithole down.

  5. Have you heard about prestigious Washington & Lee? The median lsat is 161 and the median gpa is 3.37 for this year compared to 164 and 3.51 for last fall. Also Washington & Lee made 1011 offers for 2014 and only 101 students accepted. That's a 10% offer acceptance rate (yield). For fall 2013 the lowest offer acceptance rate of any ABA law school was Cal-Davis at 11%. W & L can no longer attract students.

    1. We've reached the point where people are beginning to understand the state of super-oversaturation of a law degree.

      You could close all but the T6 schools down for 10 years, minimum, and not see an uptick in the demand for new lawyers.

      It really is that simple.

      The degree, like undergrad degrees, is now nearly completely devalued at this point and of course the financial costs are totally out of line with the perceived and actual benefits.

  6. The word is out and has been for some time. That's why the smarter students aren't going to law school. That says a lot. People with lsat scores in the 170 range are avoiding law school now.

    1. And for good reason. The average person who can score a 170 (~95th %tile) on the LSAT can get into med school, a top rated MBA program, or a top rated PhD program in the field of their choice.

    2. ^^^ or at least do the f*cking math involved in ROI analysis and stay the hell away from law school.


    From the comments:

    On October 16, 2014 at 6:38 pm, Blanch Jeplos wrote the following:

    “As others have said, the declining enrollment totals is welcoming for the legal profession. Even with fewer grads, this industry may not recover, given the way technology is changing the way lawyers operate. From my experience, law school is the choice for those who don't know what else to do, or those who majored in a subject that doesn't confer opportunities (Philosophy, History, Anthropology), or those who hold romantic views towards the profession ('wannabe Atticus Finches). The latter is especially foolish when studies have shown that lawyers have high-depression and low job-satisfaction rates.”

    This commenter understands the reality of the situation. Technology has taken a MAJOR toll on this gutter “profession.” It will continue to do so, and at a faster pace. LegalZoom, outsourcing and LPOs are not going away, people.

    Robert McIntosh posted these remarks, on October 16, 2014 at 9:26 am:

    “As an attorney I welcome the drop. If you do not have a passion for the law it is not a profession you want to be in. It will not make you rich. It will drive you crazy, but if you love it, it will reward you with fulfillment.”

    This ass-hat apparently does not realize that “passion” doesn’t pay the bills. If you are not connected or from a wealthy family, then there are MUCH better things you should pursue. This field is GLUTTED and shrinking. Why take out outrageous sums of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a slim chance to land a decent legal job?!?!

    On October 14, 2014, 7:14 am, Clarke Megill simply wrote:

    “Law School Applications Plummet - finally, some good news!”

    The only people bemoaning the drop in applications are the filthy law school pigs, indu$try shills, and cretinous lemmings. In stark contrast, decent human beings are rejoicing over this development.

  8. Did anyone ever get fired for hiring a Harvard Law grad that didn't work out? Did anyone ever get rewarded for finding that the Diamond in the Rough at UL?

    Let's face it folks. Many hiring officials are lazy or overworked or both. Nine times out of ten, they'll go with the easy choice, the person who looks right on paper or whom they are told to hire.

    And while perhaps you can blame them, you've got to understand them.

  9. What is going on !!!! After watching Eugene Young from "The Practice" I was so stoked to attend Law School. Making the big bucks. By day, defending criminals, suiting up to attend criminal court hearings. By night sipping cocktails at the lounge telling epic court room stories. Oh well, I guess that boat has sailed. And the new reality is "Gideon's Army". Private vs Public... either way... screwed.

    1. Public Defenders are a case in point to the perception v. reality dichotomy of the typical lemmings.

      Perception: Courageously making a difference in society representing the poor and dispossessed.

      Reality: Making $40k a year, sitting in a filthy, unairconditioned jail interview room talking to your child molester and drug dealer clients, then waiting the rest of the afternoon in court to schedule a single pre-trial conference.

      When I graduated from law school (recently) the word was that the Public Defender in my midwestern state received about 130 applications for 6 job openings. These are 40-50k jobs in rural areas with no chance of promotion, and pay raises whenever the legislature feels like it.

    2. That sounds about right.

      In my area, you can't even apply anymore if you're fresh out of law school. They now require 2 years of prior experience AND specifically in those areas of criminal law they deal with.

      Things are getting better all the time out there.

  10. I applied for a Public Defender position out of law school. Guess who it went to? Some crim defense lawyer with 20+ years experience. When I saw that my eyes opened wide. And that was a long time ago. I also had my eyes opened when I saw successful private lawyers jump at the first judgeship thrown their way. These were older men who build up a practice from nothing. And they fucking jumped at the first shitty low level trial court (misdemeanor and traffic) gig thrown at them. I saw one guy close his practice down in like 2 weeks he was so stoked to leave practice behind. I mean he couldn't fucking wait to be a judge on the lowest rung.

    1. Judges in my county (mid sized urban area, about 1 million people) typically are on the bench from about 9 to 11:30 and then 1:30 to 4:30. It's easy to see why some attorneys would jump at that, even for a substantial pay decrease - it's effectively a 6 hr workday, and you never have to stay late, take work home, or work weekends or holidays. Even in jurisdictions with judicial elections there is great job security as incumbent judges typically run unopposed.

  11. And yet federal judges bitch and cry over and over about how they're not paid enough. Fuck those guys.

  12. Once you know how the system works / designed a Public Defender seems useless in most misdemeanor cases. 3 options:

    - Plead down to a lesser charge
    - Catch a technical error by the cops / prosecutor
    - Sway a jury

    My friend had a DUI case and his assigned PD was to over worked to give him any face time. To simplify things he circled back the arresting officer and then to the prosecutor and got a reduced charge. Without the PD. There was no good faith on the PD's part to execute 2 and 3 from the above.

    And just to think. The average rate for this type of case by surrounding criminal defense lawyers was $1500 for misdemeanor and $2000 for felonies just to come to this same result. Yikes!

    1. Public Pretenders are a joke. Criminals know this too. If you don't have much of a record (or no record) you can plead your own case down easily. Public Pretenders are a total waste of resources.

    2. With all due respect…


      A boomer, solo. Don't do criminal work.

      The phrase "just to come to this same result." Bespeaks a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of a lawyer and the services she/he provides.

      Most clients and many judges and other attorneys do not appreciate the issue either.

      So, there ARE many cases where the efforts of the attorney little change the result. AND the attorney has little idea what to do, how to do it, and perhaps has little inclination to do anything but role play.

      These folks aren't practicing law. They are actors.

      To the client and casual observer, the services provided by a "real lawyer" may look just like those of the acting lawyer.

      However, the real lawyer tracks on everything. The demeanor of the prosecutor, the witnesses sitting in the audience, which judge is presiding, whether the police officer has appeared, the case load of the docket call. EVERYTHING has a bearing on the result. Good lawyers track on it ALL. And I mean ALL. She/he evaluates the offenses to which the charges could be reduced, while minimizing the adverse impact to the client's driving record. I know a very fine attorney who was able to reduce the charge, though slightly. I asked how it went. He explained that the alleged offense was within 12 months of 2 other convictions, which would have cost his client his driver's license, but though his client plead guilty to an offense that would have been the 3rd in 12 months, the prosecutor agreed to CHANGE THE DATE OF THE OFFENSE so that it was outside the 12 month window, and the client's driving privileges were preserved. No one in the audience would have seen that issue, nor the great result.
      There is a tremendous difference between playing a lawyer in court, and KNOWING that every stone has been turned, that every advantage has been considered, that every benefit has been derived, and that the result is the best that can be achieved.
      There is another aspect. There is an insurance component for the client. The real attorney is there to keep an eye out for any development, something unknown and unanticipated that develops during the course of the representation that may be determinative of an ideal outcome or at least a better outcome. A client who does not have such a guardian angel, has no likelihood of any such advantage. Sometimes helpful things happen and other times not. No real attorney on your side, no chance of taking advantage of opportunity. A representation is an ongoing and developing play in 3 or 50 acts. Things happen and clients need attorneys who are sharp enough to take advantage.
      Another aspect, a real attorney KNOWS what makes a difference and what is a false issue and not worthy of time and effort to push. False issues can obfuscate the entire case and squander initiative.
      These matters require a great deal of experience, skill, knowledge, judgment, and ALWAYS, intuition.
      It is one thing to blast the law school complex, and there I am with you, but there are many lawyers who have molded themselves into formidable advocates, despite the horrible legal "education" ABA schools have fostered.
      There is no merit in blaming law school grads who have managed to turn themselves into something useful.

    3. Pt 2…

      With respect to public defenders. Many are young and inexperienced. They have a decade or two, most of them, to become truly skilled, and in the meantime handle matters of lesser importance, such as misdemeanors, and traffic offenses. As law schools do not train anyone to practice anything, they have to learn somewhere. And, unlike the medical profession's "Do no harm," for most novice attorneys, the motto is "Do as little harm as possible." This I lay at the doorstep of the ABA, and the law schools who prefer the ABA's parameters than those of reason.
      To summarize, a friend of mine said he hated to charge someone to tell them that their case was not meritorious. I explained that it was entirely proper and ethical for a licensed, skilled and experienced professional to carefully review a client's case, the facts, the law, and express an opinion, and if that opinion was that further pursuit was not "best" or "advantageous", then the civilian, unskilled, and usually emotionally stressed client was truly well-served to have a measured opinion and to put the matter to rest. The client is not generally able to make those determinations. Such an opinion has true value to the client. The client knows that someone who TRULY KNOWS is of the opinion that further pursuit is not likely to be advantageous. It brings peace to the client's soul, and they can begin to accept the situation. It is valuable, and what real lawyers do.

    4. Oh, and so many other things.

      I was at a deposition where the plaintiff injured party hobbled in with a cane.

      During the deposition, the defense attorney casually picked up the cane, examined the UNWORN rubber foot, and the case was pretty much over right there. The plaintiff used the cane to get to the deposition, but nowhere else, and was therefore not particularly injured.
      So what DO we need lawyers for?
      Their JUDGMENT.

  13. Has anyone calculated the approximate total tuition LOSS to the law schools of America each year over the last few years.

    That number ought to give pause to 30 or 40% of the practicing law profs.

    Many are on borrowed time with no where to go when it plays out. No book of business = no job. Sow the whirlwind, and so ye reap.

    For each given school, there has to be a minimum number of law students necessary to keep it open.

    We need not drive ALL of the law students from the seats, just some number, and for only so long. And they will fall.

    I think they are falling right now, just as the tree in the forest, they can't be heard, until the crash. But one can tell it is coming, by the rush of the wind. And the chill it creates.

  14. It's only a matter of time before more law schools default, like Tijuana Jefferson School of Law Vermont will soon enough, like Widener, and the Infilaw private equity scam schools will; like Crooklyn, Catholic, American, pond scummings fiefdom, and numerous other steaming piles of poo poo. They're going down folks, surely they are.

    Mark my words, boys and girls, even the public institutions will get cut off at the knees.

    There will be some small measure of justice when law professors, and worse, administrators, find out the only people less marketable than their recent graduates is them.

    The momentum of truth and economic reality is unstoppable. Simply 100% unstoppable.

    Add to the internal insolvency, the gathering external storm clouds. The CFPB wants bankruptcy protection back...the DOE, CFPB and various state AGs are going hard after comparable for-profit undergrad scammers. Tick tock, scammers, you've cost too many people too much money, and you alone have benefitted.

    A time will come when we should all get off the internet and into visible formation protesting these buggers. Just a little slap on the back could send one of these schools over the cliff.

    1. 2014 applicants down 8.2% from 2013. The downward trend may continue, but even if it bottoms out many of the T3/T4 schools won't be able to sustain this level of loss for a prolonged period.

      I still don't think we'll see widespread school closures - most of these places have a huge portion of their expenses tied up in employee salary, so most of them could just lay off 50% of their faculty and keep on scamming, albeit at a reduced clip.

    2. I disagree, sir. 163 of the 202 carry huge amounts of private bond debt. They are ALL insolvent. The entire Higher Education Industry is insolvent.

      The economy is not getting better and cannot get better for lawyers.

      I'm happy to be the "optimistic" one on this front. A year ago, people were telling me TJ would not default, and that the Feds wouldn't sit up and take notice of losses to them on the Closed School Discharge in the Code of Fed Regs.

      I was told State AGs would never stand up and start suing fraudsters....

      but loe and behold, the Feds picked off two of the largest players in for-profit, scam undergrad education, and the CFPB is stepping up.

      It's all over but the crying for the SCUMBAGS at Infilaw (who are also in-house SCUMBAGS at the ABA), and for ALL their ilk.

      TJ still has to face a jury on the fraud lawsuit, bye the bye. Should get interesting...


    Back on April 1, 2008, LSD accountholder “louisvillesucks” started a thread labeled “FYI from a 3L.” Look at the original post, in its entirety:

    "A disclaimer - I'm in the top 10% of my class. I am on law review. And I had top summer associate positions both after my first year and after my second year. I will be starting at one of those firms this fall. I say this not to brag, but to prove that I'm not an idiot who holds a grudge against U of L because she couldn't get a job.

    With that in mind, please heed my advice. DO NOT GO TO THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE FOR LAW SCHOOL!!! Many of your classmates will truly be idiots. Many of your teachers just won't care about you (though there are a few good ones here). The administration honestly doesn't give a *&^% about the students - it keeps us in the dark about major changes in the law school until they happen and fails to inform us about major suspensions of high ranking administrators. They sometimes seem to go out of their way to make things hard on students. Our academic support administrator finally got sick of it all and just quit in the middle of this semester. She was the person that all of the 1Ls went to when they had academic problems - and when she left, many of them were understandably confused and worried. I sure would have been. Our dean of career services recently announced her "retirement," and many think it was needed, as job placement is far from ideal. Along those lines, if you do attend U of L, please don't expect to get a good job. Maybe 20 of 140 students will end up with big firm jobs - the rest will either be stuck doing insurance defense work at the salary of a McDonald's manager or doing pro bono work at the salary of a McDonald's burger-flipper.

    And do I even need to mention the school's recent near 30 spot drop in the USNWR rankings?

    In close, just don't say someone didn't warn you."

    Apparently, this person did well in school. Yet, they saw fit to point out that the job prospects for graduates are weak as hell. And this was more than six years ago! How do you like that, lemming?!?!

    Now, check out this response from user ”none” – from April 1, 2008 at 7:00:11 pm:

    “You make very credible statements. I'm a Louisville native and I know U of L well. I also know that someone with whom I went to high school also went to Brandeis and this person is indeed doing insurance defense work now. I have no idea where this person finished in their law school class, but it lends credibility to your indictment.

    Having said that, are you from Louisville? If so, c'mon...did you really think you were going to get a great education there? It's freakin' U of L. I'm far from a UK fan, but regionally UK is way above U of L. Louisville just isn't a big enough city to give that many good jobs to people locally, and the U of L name doesn't carry very far outside of "Kentuckiana".

    But I'm glad that it worked out for you at least.”

    What an eliTTe in$TTiTTuTTion, huh?!?! Do you still want to sign on the dotted line, ass-clown?! I have driven through Louisville a couple of times, and it is a rural area. Good luck paying off your mountains of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, in that dump.

  16. Hey Nando, have you roasted this pig yet?


    Average Law Student Indebtedness: USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Univer$iTTy of Loui$ville Brandei$ Sewer of Law Class of 2013 who incurred debt for law school - as $88,451. Fully 84% of this cesspool’s 2013 cohort took on such toxic debt. Remember that this figure does not include undergraduate debt – and also does not take accrued interest into account, while the student is enrolled.

    Keep in mind also that this amount includes many in-state students. Now, imagine how much additional NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt you can incur - if you are an non-resident. Do you still want to take the plunge, lemming?!?! If so, then you would make an ideal candidate for a brain shunt.

    Select the top link labeled “Employment Summary Report for 2013 Graduates.” This is the most recent data, from this filthy commode.

    According to the ABA Employment Summary for 2013 Graduates, for the Univer$iTTy of Loui$ville, there were 128 members of this cohort. Of that total, only 83 JDs were hired in positions requiring bar passage. Overall, 112 grads reported being employed within nine months of earning their TT law degree. Two people did not supply their data to the toilet. This leads to a “placement” rate of 88.9 percent, i.e. 112/126.

    Don’t forget that many of those jobs are not law-related. Furthermore, many of the legal positions are not secure or stable. Yes, who wouldn’t want to mortgage their future, on such a speculative bet?!?! Plus, you cannot wipe away your student debt in bankruptcy proceedings. Hell, even gambling fiends and spendthrifts have this option. I guess that’s what law students get for being “sophisticated consumers” – as the “judges”/pieces of trash in black robes describe them.

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  20. I cannot stand working in an office of lying, thieving, ambulance chasers, govt. attorneys, defense lawyers, you name it. Thank God I took on relatively little debt and have an advanced degree, and am willing to learn another field from the bottom up even at my middle age. Not easy, won't get rich, but I can sleep at night. Last year I turned down a very lucrative job offer after contracting with a "prestigious" firm and winning a major case. Why? Because I saw how these supposedly "top-tier" lawyers swindled their clients and treated their assistants. This field truly is comprised of shit and rot. The bird droppings do not even begin to do it justice. You could take a picture of the entire sewerage system of NYC, and you may just be scratching the surface.

    And oh, I forgot - the judges are about as crooked as the lawyers. Best to shell out big bucks to support their campaigns or spend your nights sucking up at local bar political events if you wish to prevail in close cases most of the time.

    It is amazing America lets this profession continue to survive.


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