Wednesday, January 14, 2015

Cause for Celebration: Enrollment at New York Law School Diploma Mills Has Dropped by 23 Percent Since 2010!



http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/id=1202713273846/NY-Law-Schools-Mirror-Nationwide-Drop-in-Enrollment?slreturn=20150013225740

Garbage Barges on Fire: On December 26, 2014, the New York Law Journal published a Karen Sloan and Andrew Keshner piece entitled “NY Law Schools Mirror Nationwide Drop in Enrollment.” Take a look at this opening:

“Law school enrollment fell for the fourth straight year in 2014, according to figures released earlier this month by the American Bar Association. 

Nationwide, the number of first-year students who showed up on law campuses this fall declined by 4.4 percent compared with the previous year, which amounts to 1,751 fewer students.

That means new student enrollment is down by nearly 28 percent across the country since its historic peak in 2010, when many flocked to law school during the economic recession. 

Taken as a group, New York's 15 law schools mirrored the national trend, although five individual schools more than held their own. 

According to ABA, the number of first-year enrollees in all New York law schools fell 4.7 percent to 3,772 from 3,962. 

New York enrollment has fallen approximately 23 percent since 2010. 

Data from the Law School Admission Council had indicated that fewer people took the Law School Admission Test and applied to law school during the last admissions cycle. But the actual enrollment numbers will undoubtedly add fuel to existing concern over the economic future of law schools that already have seen drastic enrollment cuts.” [Emphasis mine]

You’re welcome, bitches! Did you cockroaches expect to KNOWINGLY financially ruin thousands of students – every damn year - without any repercussions?!?! Have fun enjoying smaller class sizes and resultant forced retirements and buyouts, pigs. In a just world, you parasites would be slow-roasted over a pit – with an apple shoved in your mouth and another one up your ass.

Later on, the authors noted the following:

“Touro's first year class size this year is 187, compared with the 206-student headcount a year earlier. 

Anthony Crowell, New York Law School's dean, said when he came into the job in May 2012, he knew the school had to get smaller "to ensure better outcomes and get stronger."

"In the process of doing it, the market caught up to us," he said, later adding, "It's not easy when you have to adapt from a budgetary standpoint. We're using it as an opportunity to build the institution and adapt." 

Albany Law School saw the sharpest year-to-year drop among state schools, some 34.2 percent. 

Acting Dean Alicia Ouellette said in a statement that application numbers in the past several years have been "challenging." [Emphasis mine]

It’s great to see these cockroaches try to spin these huge-ass declines into a positive. Give it up already, thieving bastards. Sure you “planned” for your toilet’s enrollment to get smaller, Cockroach Anthony Crowell – and Salma Hayek just called and offered to come over, but I told her I was busy.

People have caught onto the law school scam, due to the concerted effort of scambloggers, mainstream news pieces, a few decent professors with character, and other critics of U.S. “legal education.” As a direct result of those efforts, fewer people are being raped by the law school swine. 

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2015/01/new-york-law-schools.html

Other Coverage: Paul Caron posted a blog entry labeled “New York Law Schools Suffer Large (21%) Enrollment Declines” – on January 4, 2015. Check out the portion below:

“Two law schools (Albany, New York Law School) have experienced >50% enrollment declines since 2011, and CUNY experienced a 40% decline. In all, 8 of the 15 New York law schools have experienced at least a 20% enrollment decline since 2011. The carnage is even greater if you exclude Columbia, Cornell, and NYU: the remaining 12 law schools experienced an 8.1% decline in since 2103, and a 26.2% decline since 2011.” [Emphasis mine]

This is real and tangible progress. To those of you who have informed others about this filthy, vile indu$try, thank you for contributing to this development. You have helped steer others away from financial hell. That is honorable and selfless. Of course, “law professors” and administrator scum cannot understand such a concept. In their sick minds, one should be happy to take on an additional $125K+ in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt - for a chance to enter a GLUTTED field.

Conclusion: The law school pigs have fed on the flesh of lemmings for far too long. They have grown fat and happy at the expense of their students and taxpayers. In fact, these bitches and hags have not lost one wink of sleep over their role in ruining countless lives. After all, sacrifices must be made, right?!?! Especially, when those backbreaking losses are incurred by others!

46 comments:

  1. The headline is wrong. The percent shown on the table is the decrease from 2013, not 2010. NYLS's class entering in 2010 was 641. The decrease from 641 in 2010 to 245 in 2014 was a decrease of 61.78%. Good, but still not enough.

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  2. Brooklyn stands alone, a rock in the scam storm - increasing class size by 8% while lowering its median LSAT a jaw dropping 7 points since 2010.

    Some of these operations have absolutely no shame - they will keep going until paychecks bounce and the bank padlocks the doors.

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    1. Yes. It's clear some schools know they are going to close and these are the last days - they're going for broke.

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    2. I went over to Law School Transparency to look at Brooklyn's classes' LSAT scores. The LSAT distribution graph is interesting. 75th percentile scores in 2013 are a point lower than 25th percentile scores in 2010. Bottom of the class in 2010 is top of the class in 2013.

      It was funny to look at. (Although I understand that if you are a Crooklyn grad you probably aren't laughing very much)

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    3. Brooklyn Law School's new admissions policy is shockingly irresponsible. They have a moral obligation to students who pay their outrageously inflated tuition. Specifically, that obligation would be to admit no more students than the local attorney job market can bear. They're admitting almost twice as many students as they should, simply to line the pockets of professors, managers, and ex-managers at their predatory institution.

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  3. Brooklyn lowered enrollment and LSAT from 2010 to 2013. The relatively minor increase in enrollment from 2013 to 2014 primarily reflects the addition of a two year program, NOT the further lowering of LSATs. The chart and headline are confusing.

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  4. Holy shit, how about Hofstra. They only placed students into 155 FT/LT jobs in the most recent year, but admitted 280 students. That's 80% more than they found actual attorney jobs for in the most recent year!

    I was modestly impressed with their drop to 213 matrics last year, but since then Hofstra has clearly committed to becoming a full-scam school. If that shithole had any dignity, it would at least keep classes small. However, after review of http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf_archive/111/111630906/111630906_201308_990.pdf (particularly Schedule J, Part II) it is clear that Hofstra's bureaucracy is so overpaid that they may have no other option than to become a permanent scam school.

    Conversely (this is absolutely not a plug for the TTTT, just an observation), NYLS placed 250 into FT/LT positions and only admitted 245 in the most recent year. Whether or not they're a scam school (which I think most people would say they are), at least they've shrunk to a place where the market is willing to hire as many graduates as NYLS produces--something Hofstra can't claim.

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  5. Considering the people that graduated from Touro and Brooklyn, that alone should scare away everybody.

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    1. Well, one PARTICULARLY lazy piece of shit comes to mind - but there I go being "racist" again, LOL.

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    2. http://www.biography.com/people/geraldo-rivera-9459468

      Geraldo Rivera graduated from Crooklyn. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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    3. I notice that 5:07 is the racist "black booty" troll again. A social leper, has never touched a woman with her consent, gets beaten up on the street by thugs and cops alike. Can't find a job either.

      He comes here with off-topic rants because Nando is the only mod who hasn't banned him and reported him to Homeland Security. Be grateful for Nando's mercy, evil one.

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  6. Good news. I'm an L1 and basically choose my school based on scholarship offers.. I can't imagine how anyone that scores less than at least 160 on the LSAT could think going to law school is a good idea..

    Side note: do you think you could use a color other than yellow in your articles? It's an impossible color to read on my phone (galaxy s5) without highlighting the text.

    I appreciate your work.

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    1. + one for the color suggestion but rather than changing that (the yellow text is as traditionally Nando as poop pictures) I ask Nando: Can you change some parameter that affects the color scheme of your site when it's accessed by a mobile device? Because on mobile, the background is white, it's impossible to see. If you could just set the background to the regular dark blue-green for mobile access it'd be a lot easier to read without highlighting.

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    2. Please be very careful and check the rate that students lose merit scholarships at any school you are looking at. It is required ABA disclosure. Some schools have terrible loss rates.

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    3. @1020,

      Message Discipline Troll, why are you trying to get Nando to change the FONT color?

      Shouldn't you be engaging in flame wars and asking him to ban commenters instead?

      Oops, I meant to say: shouldn't you be writing something against the law schools?

      LOL

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    4. Yeah I did. It was a big factor to me that the school I chose only asked that students stay in good standing. So I chose the safe route rather than accept a scholarship requiring me to maintain a 3.0 gpa. A 3.0 doesn't sound like much and isn't much... But I kept thinking that one bad semester or even a couple bad finals and I could be completely screwed.

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    5. Anon at 9:35 -- wise. One gimmick some law schools played was to put all scholarship kids in one section. With grading on a curve, some kids were destined to look around their scholarships. When they realized this, they would be sick. And not only did they realize that they would lose their scholarships, they would be unable to transfer.

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    6. No, it's true about the site color when viewed on something other than a desktop. I tried using a tablet and the background was indeed white.

      It isn't the same for some reason.

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    7. @9:59 AM - as this site and others point out its a pretty dubious decision to go to law school at the moment regardless of how good a deal you got, even if you managed to get into a fairly high ranked school. I hope you know what you are doing.

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    8. Yes 9:59, please be careful. As a 1L, you can't bask in your LSAT score any longer. If for some reason your first year grades aren't good enough to interview for good jobs this fall, you might consider dropping out and cutting your losses.

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    9. I appreciate the advice. I am lucky enough not to have take on any debt (aside from paying back my mother of course) or I probably wouldn't have gone to law school. I hope my emphasis on scholarship money shows some level of selflessness and common sense. If I had to take on debt I don't know if I could make the same decision.

      I didn't go to law school to become rich (or I'd have pursued finance), but rather because I like law and like to learn. I know most don't have such a luxury, but I thought the cost of law school would be greatly outweighed by the education I would receive (even if people are adamant that law school doesn't provide a good education). I'm probably incoherent and contradicting myself but it's the end of my first week of my second semester and I'm a little drunk.

      I'm glad that this reminded me of how fortunate I am. I can't fathom the hell thousands have been through (hopefully reducing the odds of myself having to go through hell can be accredited to my decision making...).

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  7. Aw, Penelope Andrews no longer at Albany. No longer at CUNY either! Adios Andrews! You will not be missed!

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    1. I have mixed feelings about Andrews. Like most "deans," she didn't deserve her position. But didn't try to get some faculty parasites off the welfare rolls?

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    2. Ya, didn't Andrews try to get rid of some of the long-forgotten "scholars" who were bleeding the law school with their inflated salaries?

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  8. I don't know but I've been told Touro Law School is a piece of shit.

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    1. Yeah, really - well I heard that its most famous graduate is a lazy pile of shit who has a straight-up PSYCHOPATHIC aversion to doing any work.

      Alright, folks: SUMMON THE MESSAGE DISCIPLINE TROLL!!! (who has promised that he will stop posting here, incidentally - LOL)

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    2. How do you know that someone who couldn't find a legal job is lazy?

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    3. @810,

      If someone fails the bar exam and then turns his nose up at all forms of non-legal work, how would YOU describe things?

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    4. Dude, I didn't know you failed the bar exam! So you really are lazy then. Who could have imagined that?

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    5. Man, this racist freak is really into MESSAGE DISCIPLINE!!! Is that some kind of S&M?

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  9. Apparently, Boston area diploma mills have also experienced a big-ass drop in enrollment. On December 29, 2014, Paul Caron posted an entry labeled "Boston Area Law Schools (Other Than Harvard) Suffer Large (24%) Enrollment Declines."

    http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2014/12/boston-law-schools-.html

    "Following up on my previous posts (links below): Boston area law schools suffered a 17.7% enrollment decline from 2011 to 2014[.]"

    Caron then posts a chart backing up his claim. Here is his brief conclusion:

    "Excluding Harvard, the enrollment decline of the other 5 law schools is 23.8%[.]"

    I love seeing the effect that we have had on prospective law students and the thieving pigs. Now, those with a decent IQ fully understand the inherent risk of attending ABA-accredited toilets. The law school swine have an aversion to actual work, so when they are forced out expect them to “retire.”

    On December 29, 2014 at 1:08:16 pm, commenter “Jeff Harrison” wrote”

    “I wonder if anyone knows if they just drew the line on how far they would dip in terms of GPA and LSAT or did they decide they could not, in good faith, offer a degree for which there was a dwindling market/”

    “Unemployed Northeastern” posted this response, on December 30, 2014 1:48:44 pm:

    “@Jeff,

    Yes, all of the non-Harvard law schools in Boston have 25th/median/75th percentile LSAT scores at least a few points below their respective marks in 2010. Undergrad GPAs have not suffered as much, but of course grade inflation in undergrad has been growing so quickly that it may have played a role.”

    Keep the comments on point. To the person attacking a Touro grad and referring to him as “lazy,” it seems pretty clear that this JD has been employed in various non-law jobs since graduating from that school. It’s the damn “law professors” who refuse to do any work. They are the ones getting fat off the work of others. Go after them and point out their shortcomings. Could you picture any of them going to a real job every day?!

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    1. I happen to know that some law professors do lots of work. Eating roast pork at a resort on Maui is absolutely EXHAUSTING. How would you like it if you were a pig and they forced you to eat pork?

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  10. African booty juiceJanuary 15, 2015 at 4:45 PM

    Law profs are useless.

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    1. We know you don't mean it. Take that racist handle somewhere else.

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  11. This site is attracting racist trolls because the law schools themselves are following a racist business model. To wit, they capture all the short-term profits for themselves and their cronies while dispersing all the loan defaults into the wider economy through taxation and inflation.

    Poor but honest working class stiffs--cooks, janitors, and gardeners--are slaving away so that law professors and their pet trolls can live in undeserved luxury. This has got to stop. Help us get rid of the racist trolls. And don't forget the real issues: loan limits, tuition caps, bankruptcy protection, enrollment reductions, and a low-dollar diet for the bloated administrative class.

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    1. ^ The site's resident Message Discipline Troll is screeching about "racism" again.

      Message Discipline Troll, why are you flaming the commenters on this site?

      Shouldn't you be writing something against the law schools, instead?

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  12. Nando has done God's work in exposing the law school scam and you all should bow before him. God bless! - The Greatest Poster Known.

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  13. If you want to talk about racism in lawland just look that the names of the partners and Sr. Attorneys on law firm letterheads and the names of professors and deans at the law schools...I mean law scams. God bless! - The Greatest Poster Known.

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  14. Sad part is that this list represents at least two thousand souls, possibly more, whose lives will be utterly ruined by their decision to attend. New York is completely flooded with desperate lawyers now--most of whom end up working in non-legal jobs because there just isn't enough work, or paying clients, to go around.

    Hopefully, out of those numbers, more people choose to drop out after receiving their first semester grades. I think it's sound advice to drop out if one is not in the top 5% after one semester. Drop out and don't look back.

    At this point, there's no shame in walking away. Get out before you signing that promissory note for even more prinicipal. Get out before you end up accepting that "associate" position at a firm that will end up paying you less than minimum wage. Get out before you end up getting extorted for dues, CLE courses, practice resources and the like.

    This profession is dying a slow and agonizing death; and only those who are rich enough, connected enough or who are smart enough to get in the top law schools even have a shot at a meaningful career in this business.

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    1. Sad but true.

      Eventually, any academic pretension that isn't founded on reality has to come crashing down.

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  15. http://www.newyorklawjournal.com/id=1202713273846/NY-Law-Schools-Mirror-Nationwide-Drop-in-Enrollment?slreturn=20150013225740

    Now, check out this excerpt from the Sloan and Keshner piece cited above:

    “Taken as a group, New York's 15 law schools mirrored the national trend, although five individual schools more than held their own.

    According to ABA, the number of first-year enrollees in all New York law schools fell 4.7 percent to 3,772 from 3,962.

    New York enrollment has fallen approximately 23 percent since 2010.

    Data from the Law School Admission Council had indicated that fewer people took the Law School Admission Test and applied to law school during the last admissions cycle. But the actual enrollment numbers will undoubtedly add fuel to existing concern over the economic future of law schools that already have seen drastic enrollment cuts.

    "Many of us are competing for the same declining applicant pool. It's important for schools to focus on what they are good at" and articulate those strengths and distinctions, said Patricia Salkin, Touro's dean.

    For example, she noted that while all schools have clinics, they may be in a variety of fields.
    "Different things are attractive to different applicants," she said.

    Touro's first year class size this year is 187, compared with the 206-student headcount a year earlier.”

    It’s great to see that the law school pigs have had to scale back their gluttonous diet a little. They have grown fat on the carcasses of lemmings and taxpayer funds. “Law professors” have snorted for decades that they are “teaching” because they “want to give back to the community” – or similar nonsense. Many have proclaimed that they could go out and make 2-4 times the amount that they currently “earn.”

    As far as I’m concerned, NOW is the perfect chance for these cockroaches to go out and prove their baseless assertion. Hell, law firms are not going to shell out serious cash for some academic ass-hat to work 4-6 hours per week or author garbage law review articles on esoteric topics. Non-law employers likewise want to hire productive men and women; they aren’t too keen on pissing away money on parasites. This is why you see the “educator” swine trying to hold onto their positions, instead of embarking on legal careers.

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  16. http://outsidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2015/01/how-low-can-they-go-part-2-tracking.html#comment-form

    Today, the OTLSS Team posted an entry entitled “How low can they go? (Part 2): Tracking the decline of 25th percentile LSAT scores for incoming students, 2011 to 2014.” Check out the following numbers, which were compiled from Law School Transparency’s 2011 LSAT score database and from the recently published Standard 509 Information Reports for each commode:

    “25th percentile LSAT score down by 8 pts.

    Hofstra (155 to 147)

    25th percentile LSAT score down by 7 pts.

    Brooklyn (160 to 153)

    25th percentile LSAT score down by 3 pts.

    NYU (170 to 167)
    Cardozo (158 to 155)
    SUNY-Buffalo (154 to 151)
    Pace (151 to 148)
    NY Law (151 to 148)
    Albany (151 to 148)
    Touro (148 to 145)

    Law Schools with 25th Percentile Scores at 147 or below for entering class.

    (There are 49 schools that fit this criteria, which are listed below. In 2013, there were 44. In 2012, there were 32. In 2011, there were 16)

    1. Hofstra 147
    22. Touro 145”

    http://www.nycbar.org/images/stories/Moot/aba%20approved%20law%20schools%20by%20region.pdf

    According to the New York City Bar Association, there are 15 ABA-accredited, diploma mills in the state. As you can see by the research above, fully NINE of these trash pits have experienced AT LEAST a 3 point drop in LSAT scores for recent matriculants, with regard to their respective 25th percentile LSAT scores. Hell, Crooklyn experienced a 7 point drop in this metric, while Hof$TTTra’s fell by 8 damn points.

    In a just world, ALL 49 law schools with a 25th Percentile Score of 147 or lower should be closed IMMEDIATELY! Furthermore, the “professors” and administrators would be slow-roasted over a pit, with an apple shoved in their snouts and asses. It speaks volumes that these New York toilets are seeing smaller class sizes, acceptance rates are higher, AND their incoming LSAT scores are still dropping significantly. You're welcome, thieves.

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    1. Hofstra has been a scam school for a long time. I thought Hofstra might have changed when Nora Demleitner left but apparently not. When Demleitner was there she had bait and switch scholarships, stacked sections, deceptive placement figures, reverse robinhooding, etc.

      Hofstra developed a night program just so they could get extra revenue to attract students with high gpas and lsats. (reverse robinhooding) What a pit.

      And oh yes. Most of the teachers were terrible. Freedman, Neumann, Kessler, Baron, Folami, Stark, Simon. A bunch of lazy pigs feeding a the through.

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  17. The only way for the scam to end is for the loans to end; that will require the attention challenged Congress to do something-so here goes:
    NANDO FOR CONGRESS!

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  18. Fuck Hofstra. It was one of the first scam schools to have graduates sue for demonstrably misleading information. I can't wait to watch their "professors" face the consequences of their greed.

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