Sunday, January 18, 2015

Law Schools Pigs Lowering the Bar, in Order to Grab More Student Loan Money and Stay Afloat

The Hags are Getting Desperate: On January 16, 2015, Inside Higher Ed published a Ry Rivard article entitled “Lowering the Bar.” Take a look at this meaty portion below:

"Five years ago, no American Bar Association-accredited law school had an entering class with a median LSAT score of less than 145. Now, seven law schools do, according to Jerome M. Organ, a professor at University of St. Thomas School of Law who studies the legal market. That means at least half the first-year students at seven law schools scored a 144 on the LSAT or lower. 

The LSAT has a scale of 180 down to 120. The average LSAT score is around 150. The LSAT has a margin of error, but 145 is considered a symbolic line by legal education experts and school administrators. 

At one level, we’re in uncharted territory,” Organ said. 

Southern University Law Center – part of the historically black Southern University and A&M College System – is one of those seven schools. Its median LSAT score last fall was 144. Still, it is running into competition for students. 

“Certain schools never would have admitted a student with a 145 LSAT score several years ago,” said SULC's vice chancellor, John K. Pierre. “But this year they did and last year they did, and in some cases they are even offering students with that profile scholarships or tuition reductions.” 

Enrollment at ABA-accredited law schools is the lowest it has been since 1973, even though there are 53 more law schools open now, according to Moody's Investors Service. The students still trying to get to law school also have lower test scores than in the recent past. 

So the vast majority of law schools are not only shrinking in size but also admitting less-qualified students.” [Emphasis mine]

It’s funny to read that law school administrators see a 145 LSAT score as a symbolic line, especially since they are accepting so many idiots with such a test result. Hell, now they are giving these dolts scholarship money. Clearly, they are happy to cross that boundary – if it means putting more cash in their filthy pockets. This is the equivalent of a man or woman “choosing” a partner who is an unattractive tub of lard, i.e. their options were severely limited.

Other Coverage: On January 16, 2015, Noelle Price wrote a JD Journal piece labeled “Lowering LSAT Score Requirements May Have Consequences.” Check out this opening:

“According to Inside Higher Ed, law schools are actually competing for students with low undergraduate grade point averages and LSAT scores. Why? Because the number of students applying to law schools has sharply declined nationwide. According to Bloomberg, enrollment has dropped 18 percent since 2010. It seems that each year, fewer and fewer students apply to law school, likely due to concerns they have about the legal job market. 

For example, it used to be that Thomas M. Cooley Law School was known for admitting underqualified students. During last year’s fall semester, however, the entering classes of seven law schools had lower median LSAT scores than Cooley. 

Many professors are concerned that, by admitting underqualified students, law schools will be accepting those students who may not be able to graduate from law school or pass the bar exam.

Just five years ago, not one American Bar Association-accredited law school reported a median LSAT score of less than 145 for its entering class. Today, seven law schools report scores of less than 145. Therefore, at least half of the first-year students at these schools scored 144 or lower on the LSAT.” [Emphasis mine]

This makes perfect sense, as potential law students with a brain stem have chosen to avoid this gamble. As has been noted for a couple of years now, those with high LSAT scores are eschewing this route – while dumbasses with low numbers are still taking the plunge. Good thing for the law schools that no one – certainly not the cockroaches at the American Bar Association – even seeks to hold them liable for their actions.

By the way, for $ome rea$on, these "educators" are not concerned enough to turn away unqualified applicants.  Yes, these pieces of trash truly are concerned about their students, right?!?!  Apparently, they have a warped view of performing a supposed "public service."

The seven schools with lower median LSAT scores than TTTT Cooley - for first year lemmings - should immediately be shut down and converted into petting zoos or farmers markets. Frankly, if the space was turned into a haven for bums and meth addicts, it would be an improvement. At least then, the taxpayers wouldn’t be robbed blind, in order to support parasites, i.e. “law professors,” and give them bloated, unjustified salaries.

Conclusion: In a just world, the law school pigs would be put on a spit and slowly lowered just above some embers. Think of the MANY hundreds of thousands of lives that these sick bitches have KNOWINGLY ruined financially – with their lies, misleading statistics, and vile sales pitches. They should be held accountable for their conduct. Anyone who defends these rodents is unworthy of one ounce of respect.


  1. That picture of the man jumping the hurdle isn't very accurate. A 145 would put you in the 26th percentile of test takers. The hurdle should be about 6 inches off the ground.

    1. I was thinking the same thing. All you need is 6 inches. And no jumping. That would be work. You just step over it, in a very leisurely fashion

    2. Still too generous. With these shit standards, the bar would be a horizontal line on the track. No need to even use the effort to take a step.

  2. what about this new BLS thing with the stats? It was on JDU...apparently the BLS has changed their methodology to make the lawyer glut disappear


    1. They have? OMG... Well, now it's Official - right?


      The industry is corrupt from the top down.

  3. The person who wrote that article needs to go back to journalism school. You can't write about "seven law schools" having sub-145 LSAT medians - and then fail to name those seven schools!

    1. The person you are critical of did not attend journalism school. He is a product of a law school education. So much for the "JD Advantage" or the "JD as a versatile or Swiss army knife of careers" bullshit.

  4. We will continue to lie, cheat and steal, so that law schools of the pigs, by the pigs, and for the pigs, shall not perish from the earth.


    The cartel

  5. Nando, I'm sure you have too many people benefitting from the scam to properly lampoon on this site, but can you consider the senator from my state (Massachusetts), Elizabeth Warren?

    Especially worth writing about would be her ridiculously high salary at Harvard for teaching part-time and her claiming Native American status so as to be a minority professor.

    1. Nothing quite like a pig who makes millions complaining about wealth inequality. Without a doubt, a perfect archetype of the law school scam professor.

    2. One would hope it's been amply demonstrated to the entire country that the last person who should ever be elected to higher office is an ex law professor!

  6. This is absurd—the law school industry is in a death spiral. Even at what used to be a middle rank first tier school like Washington & Lee, the median LSAT is a still respectable 164. According to Law school Transparency, only 54% of the most recent graduating class at this school secured long-term employment requiring bar passage. This is a dire warning that any potential applicant with below 165 LSAT scores best forget a career in law.

    1. Unless you are a woman or hispanic/black, 165 doesn't cut it. It's properly termed privileged, connected, or protected classes. That means family connections, female, or those two races.

      For everyone else, 170 minimum to have a real shot, really HYS only. You can't afford to just gamble on anecdotes and stories of success from others, because you first of all don't know their connections, and second of all it still won't tell you the percentage chance of success.

      If I put you in a room full of lottery winners, and you ask them what they did, maybe it's something stupid and harmless but they all bought lottery tickets. If that is your frame of reference, it sounds like lottery tickets are a good idea right? Without any other information, without any other preconceived notions, it would seem buying a lottery ticket works.

      Now in reality common wisdom tells you lotteries have very poor odds and those winners are exceptionally lucky, and there is no real skill to where they got. Only that you have to buy a ticket to win it.

      Well law schools are pushing the same BS, but common knowledge is still not catching up. The poorest classes still believe in the lottery, for the law scam, everyone outside the upper classes seems to buy into it. Law school is the lottery ticket for the middle classes, except I think it's worse because it's state sponsored. Imagine if poor schlubs could buy lottery tickets on credit (illegal btw).

    2. Actually, lotteries generally ARE state-sponsored.

      That being said, your chances of actually winning are statistically pretty similar whether you buy a ticket or not. That's right - there's an extremely remote chance that you might FIND the winning ticket somewhere, or be given one as a gift, etc.

  7. More students, not enough jobs. Federal gov't proposing to change job measurement metrics for legal profession. Any wonder 1 in 4 lawyers going to change occupations by 2022?

  8. an article worth reading, as it makes Nando's point about job prospects(not necessarily agreeing that being a dentist is a "best job" but it sure pays well)

    If you look at the unemployment rate for these jobs v. the law school scam, it's pretty scary, especially in light of how expensive law school is. Can you imagine if a "respectable" dental school had the employment numbers of "respectable" W & L law school?


    On January 17, 2014, the OTLSS Team posted an entry labeled “How low can they go? (Part 2): Tracking the decline of 25th percentile LSAT scores for incoming students, 2011 to 2014.” While this differs from median LSAT figures, it does provide 25th percentile numbers for entering lemmings. Review this portion, at the end of the article:

    “Law Schools with 25th Percentile Scores at 147 or below for entering class.

    (There are 49 schools that fit this criteria, which are listed below. In 2013, there were 44. In 2012, there were 32. In 2011, there were 16. A score of 147 is in the bottom 1/3 of LSAT test takers).

    41. Appalachian 141
    42. North Carolina Central 141
    43. Thomas Jefferson 141
    44. Thomas Cooley 141
    45. Valparaiso 141
    46. Florida Coastal 140
    47. Arizona Summit 140
    48. Ave Maria 139
    49. Charlotte 138”

    Now take a look at this LSAT score conversion chart from Alpha $core, a parasitic, online test preparation company. According to this table, one merely needs to get 38-39 questions correct in order to score a 141 on the exam. Such a result would place one with a percentile score of 15.4, people.

    Seeing that for-profit, FOURTH TIER TRASH PIT Charlotte Sewer of Law had a 25th percentile LSAT score of 138 for its most recent entering class of waterheads, let’s see how these students stack up to everyone else. Based on the chart, you only need to correctly answer 34 questions. This equates to a percentile score of 9.6%, folks. I wouldn’t trust a person who scores this terribly on the test to competently make and pour lattes. If you gave a 15 year old housecat a can of tuna and let him have a nap first, he could essentially perform this well on the LSAT.

    @6:58 am,

    It is always great to hear from an early scamblogger, especially one who helped motivate me to flush the law schools down the commode. I’ll check out the change in BLS methodology, when I have a chance. I know that the U.S. Department of Labor still provides the following info under Job Outlook for Lawyers, in its Occupational Outlook Handbook:

    “Employment of lawyers is projected to grow 10 percent from 2012 to 2022, about as fast as the average for all occupations. Competition for jobs should continue to be strong because more students graduate from law school each year than there are jobs available.”

  10. If you're smart enough to get into a top law school, you're smart enough not to go. If you're not smart enough to get into a top law school, you shouldn't go to any law school. Lowering LSAT scores for admissions is another trick in the playbook to lure those potential fools into this profession riddled with unemployment, underemployment, unhappiness and underhappiness.

  11. I would be very curious to have a better idea of how the US Bureau of Labor Statistics forecasts future employment demand for attorneys, or other professions. How do they factor in off shore doc review and non attorney infringement on traditional legal work product? The law school industry will try to capitalize on any putative change in methodology that will promote their continued existence.

  12. Touro Law School is a piece of fucking shitJanuary 19, 2015 at 9:22 AM

    Touro's 25th percentile lsat score for matrics is now 145.


    1. And believe it or not, 25 other schools have worse scores than that.

  13. I agree with 9:41 and 2:09 on Elizabeth Warren.

    I disagree with 6:33 on the height of the hurdle. It's not 6 inches; it's more like a 3d painting on the ground that may appear to be 6 inches high, but in reality presents no obstacle whatsoever.

    1. Another voice in the crowd, heartily agreeing with the incisive comments about Elizabeth Warren. One of the most hateful, pompous, and hypocritical varmints ever to lie her way into the US Senate.

    2. The irony is the left is painting Warren as some sort of savior, and the same dumb group of idiots that got scammed into student loan debt for no return is going back to cheering on this "loan forgiveness" junk Warren is peddling.

      She has no intention of actually helping any of these morons out. She is just Pelosi v. 2.0, and she'll be replaced by someone else after that.

      I fully expect a Clinton/Warren ticket in 2016, and I expect them to win handily. If Romney is running again, he's going to take a third pathetic defeat.

    3. This is incisive analysis.

      Yes, I remember that 1/32 or so Native American heritage scandal she was briefly involved in. Of course, since the public has a 6-month memory, max, that has long been forgotten and buried.

      A Clinton / Warren ticket would utterly quash any Republican chances at the White House, IMO, not that it matters. Both groups are run by the same people. A Clinton / Warren ticket would satisfy the people who view themselves as in-line with Hillary while having Warren would clinch the conservative base because people think she would make a difference when we know the the VP is a figurehead, literally do-nothing appointment.

      She said she wouldn't run for President, sure. But signing on for an elevation in status as VP and more political power without doing anything? Sounds great to me. IMO, all they need to do is ask her and she's in.

    4. ^ What the heck is going on here?! WHERE IS OUR LITTLE MESSAGE DISCIPLINE TROLL? FOUR consecutive posts about politics, and that lazy dumbfuck hasn't issued any of his impotent marching orders? What gives? He must be sick or something.

      At any rate, it doesn't matter who the Democrats nominate - because the Republicams will unquestionably nominate yet another dead-on-arrival liberal candidate in the mold of McCain/Romney/Jeb. If the party elites cram Jeb Bush through, there might actually be an open revolt by the GOP voters against "their" own nominee. They might even pull the lever for the Democrat out of spite. I know I would.

      What does the TTR Message Discipline Troll think about it? LOL, he's probably busy working on his first-ever comment against the law schools.

    5. There is no Message Discipline Troll. It's just one of the voices in your head.

    6. Does the psychopath troll even work? Seems to just come on here to troll all the time. With awful trolls too.

  14. My girlfriend told me about a coworker who went to a top tier law school. The guy scored a 167 on the LSAT. He made $30,000 as a licensed lawyer last year. Looking at those tables someone posted, that's good enough for the 95th percentile. He was also in the top quarter of his class. Still fucked.

    1. I made the same as a factory worker... bet I have far better health and retirement plans, though.

    2. You're probably in better health, and you also have better job security and room for growth. Keep at it and in 10 years you're doing pretty well for yourself.

      Lawyers I've found tend to be in really bad health. It's just not healthy working those hours and being so sedentary. Every new health study basically indicates just how awful it is to sit for extended periods of time, but that's primarily what lawyers do.

  15. Miko Dai certainly made the correct call financially by dropping out of law school after her first year (at Georgia State), and becoming a porn star. Now that's saying something.

    1. Miko here.

      1) thanks for the props
      2) never thought I'd find my name mentioned on TTR. ouch

  16. Speaking of unqualified students

    1. Hey! That reminds me of a riddle:

      Q: Where does a lazy 800-pound blackmail-gorilla post its brain-dead, 75-I.Q. comments?

      A: Anywhere it wants!

    2. Indeed.

      Hey, Mr. Ridiculous.. your life called. It wants itself back.

  17. Costco, AARP, and AAA membership are more selective than many of these law schools.

    1. Ha ha, sad but totally true. They all care what your credit score is, but toilets can be purchased with NINJA loans.


    Here is more great material from the Rivard piece cited in the main entry:

    “Organ’s work, based on annual disclosures law schools make to the ABA, shows that 136 law schools had a median LSAT score of 155 or higher in 2010. Now, only 101 schools still have an entering class with a median LSAT of 155 or higher.

    The seven law schools with the lowest median LSAT scores portray themselves as schools of opportunity for students who think they can make it but may not have the scores or grades to prove it. The same schools can also be accused of irresponsibly admitting some students who don't belong in law school.

    For students, the risk is not just time but money. Students with lower LSAT scores pay more to attend law school than students with higher scores. Organ found two-thirds of students with scores below 150 are paying more than $30,000 a year for law school, but they may not pass the bar and have "limited employment opportunities through which to recoup their investment in a legal education." The average student who scored 155 or higher pays less than $30,000 a year, attends a better-regarded law school and has better chances after graduating.

    Three of the seven schools with the lowest median LSAT scores are in the for-profit Infilaw system. Those are Arizona Summit Law School, Florida Coastal School of Law and the Charlotte School of Law in North Carolina.

    One candidate for dean of Florida Coastal became a cause célèbre last year after he was escorted off campus during a presentation to faculty.

    The candidate, David Frakt, told the faculty it was unfair and ethically questionable to admit so many students with a 144 or lower. He said such scores indicate a poor aptitude for law school and mean that students face “extreme risk” of failing the bar exam. The median LSAT score for Florida Coastal’s entering class last fall was 143.

    “For me, that 145 – going below that, even 145 itself – should be a no-go zone,” said Frakt, an Air Force lieutenant colonel and former legal scholar. “That really was conventional wisdom five years ago.””

    If the ABA cockroaches – or federal student loan $y$tem hags – had one ounce of integrity, they would do the following: (a) strip such schools of their accreditation status; and (b) stop issuing student loans to anyone enrolled in these garbage heaps. In the final analysis, if you cannot score higher than 145 on the LSAT, then you are almost certainly too damn dumb to pass the bar exam.

    Furthermore, even if you get licensed, no decent firm will hire you – as you will be, at best, be enrolled in a third tier commode or fourth tier trash pit. How in the hell are you going to repay $120K-$190K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, while practicing toiletlaw?!?! Are you going to try your hand at personal injury cases, as a new attorney? Established firms and small firms will blow your ass out of the water – via their advertising budget alone. If your case is not dismissed early on, then your adversaries can drag out the proceedings until you go flat broke. Plus, you will be clearly outmatched since you have no practical experience. Good luck winning motions, let alone the damn case.


    Back on December 14, 2012, Paul Campos posted an excellent piece simply entitled “Endgame.” Look at this killer opening:

    “What are the economic implications for law schools of an admissions cycle that ends up attracting only 53,000 applicants? To answer this question, we have to estimate how many matriculants such a cycle is likely to yield. This is a function of two factors: how many applicants end up getting admitted to at least one school to which they apply, and how many admitted applicants actually end up enrolling.

    As to the first factor, the percentage of applicants being admitted to at least one school has been rising for several years now:

    2004: 55.6%
    2005: 58.6%
    2006: 63.1%
    2007: 66.1%
    2008: 66.5%
    2009: 67.4%
    2010: 68.7%
    2011: 71.1%

    In other words, law school applicants were 27.9% more likely to be admitted to at least one school in 2011 than they had been seven years earlier. We don’t have numbers yet for how many 2012 applicants were admitted to at least one school, but since the number of applicants fell by 13.7%, while the number of new 1Ls fell by only 8.6%, it seems certain that the upward trend in percentage of applicants admitted continued.”

    Imagine what those numbers are now, people. Fewer people continue to apply and enroll in law school, yet the rate of decline in the number of first year students does not match, i.e. the pigs and cockroaches continue to lower their admi$$ion$ “standards” further, in order to keep the scam rolling along. Later on, Campos wrote:

    “How can schools avoid this outcome? The most straightforward strategy would be to lower admissions standards even further. But this approach has practical limitations. Admitting a staggering 80% of all applicants to at least one school would still yield only 36,888 first-years. And of course there’s the nice little collective action problem/prisoner’s dilemma that arises when schools have to decide individually how best to balance the need to fill seats with the incentives not to cut their admissions standards more than their competitor schools.

    Beyond this, the bottom 50 or so law schools already have something very close to open admissions policies, and could hardly cut their standards further without admitting classes that will feature much large percentages of people who have little or no realistic chance of passing a bar exam (think 2.1 GPAs and LSAT scores below the tenth percentile).

    Attempts to improve the accepted student to enrollee percentage will be even less fruitful. Since nearly 90% of accepted applicants end up enrolling somewhere, any individual school that wants to improve its admit to matric yield will have to buy it, by spending even more money on “scholarships.” But what law schools call scholarships are actually de facto tuition cuts. Many schools are already in a revenue squeeze produced by a combination of smaller class sizes and lower real, as opposed to nominal, tuition.”

    Hell, before long, ABA-accredited law schools will start accepting students who can correctly match 20 out of 50 state capitals. But these morons will be able to pass the bar exam and competently represent legal clients, right?!?!

  20. The law schools are placing a bet against gravity.

    1. That reminds me of this scene in "Thank you for smoking"

  21. Law schools are run by greedy assholes with no conscience.

  22. "I want to go go The Toilet...and become a lawyer like my father."


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