Friday, February 6, 2015

Amazing Discoveries in Academia: Legal Clinics Do Not Improve Law Graduates’ Employment Outlook

The Verdict on Legal Clinics: Jason Webb Yackee, an associate “professor” at the University of Wisconsin Law Sewer, published a brief academic paper – in draft form - entitled “Does Experiential Learning Improve JD Employment Outcomes?” You can download the damn thing at the link above. Take a look at his conclusion:

“The ABA, through its recently amended accreditation standards, has increased the pressure on law schools to spend more of their dollars on skills training. This may be a good thing, but before deciding that it is, we should identify what we are hoping to accomplish, what it might prevent us from accomplishing, and we should use modern empirical methods, to the extent possible, to estimate the likelihood and magnitude of the anticipated consequences, both good and bad. This paper is a modest attempt to examine one anticipated consequence—that more skills training is likely to lead to better JD employment outcomes. The results, while certainly not definitive, are also not encouraging.

None of this is to say that skills education is necessarily wasted money. Law schools might rationally and justifiably invest in skills training to achieve other worthwhile goals unrelated to JD employment outcomes. It is easy to imagine a number of plausible and perhaps even empirically testable hypotheses about the positive consequences of skills training. For example, perhaps students who engage in skills training have a more enjoyable time in law school. Perhaps they enter their first job with more confidence and less stress. Perhaps they obtain better jobs than they otherwise would have obtained. Perhaps they have a meaningful impact on the lives of the legally underserved. Perhaps they are less likely to commit professional malpractice in their first jobs. And so on. Clinics and other experiential learning opportunities certainly have a role to play in modern legal education, and perhaps an important one. But in deciding how much to spend on providing such opportunities, law schools might want to consider the lack of evidence that such opportunities are likely to improve their graduates’ overall prospects of obtaining a quality job as a lawyer.” [Emphasis mine]

Yes, law grads are going to put their “advocacy skills” to use when they are selling insurance policies, tending bar, and stocking shelves, right?!?! And who doesn’t go to law school for the primary purpose of having an enjoyable time?! What better way to piss away three years of your life and incur an additional $135K+ in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt! That is more important than becoming a licensed attorney, correct?

Other Coverage: On February 5, 2015, the Washington Post featured an Orin Kerr op-ed piece labeled “Do law school clinics lead to more jobs for law school graduates?” Check out this excerpt:

“From the paper: 

In this section I present a statistical analysis examining the correlation between employment outcomes and clinical opportunities. Graph 3 provides an initial examination, a simple scatterplot of employment outcomes versus clinical positions available as a percent of enrolled JD students. If clinical opportunities positively impacted employment outcomes, we would expect the data points to slope upward and to the right. In fact, the trend-line is slightly upward sloping, but it is not statistically significant (p=0.687). Moreover, if we remove Yale as an outlier, the trend-line is perfectly flat. In either case, the graph provides no evidence of a meaningful relationship between clinical opportunities and employment outcomes.” [Emphasis mine]

This is no surprise to the legions of JDs who were enrolled in garbage internships and clinics – and then ended up returning to their prior line of work or went into a typical, non-law office setting. By the way, when you end up in internships or TTT clinics, legal employers typically view you as a loser who couldn’t find a real job during law school. After all, who in their right mind takes on mountains of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt – for the “privilege” of representing ungrateful, broke-ass clients?!?!

Michael Risch, law school pig at Villanova, posted a Faculty Lounge entry labeled “Law School Clinics and Employment.” Review the following portion:

“The results of this study aren't terribly surprising to me. I'm not a clinic hater - indeed, I started and ran one myself. But I've long believed that hiring is based on market conditions and little else. Thus, I've never really understood the strong push for increased clinical education in the name of increase employment at a time when law schools must cut budgets, given that good clinics are expensive. Of course, increasing clinical education because it leads to better learning outcomes may make the investment worthwhile. 

I suppose, then, I should not have been surprised to see my own law school's view of experiential learning front and center in this paper: we've ramped up our efforts, opening two new clinics, expanded externship opportunities, and created week-long modules targeted at real-world learning. Why? Because our students asked for it, our employers asked for it, and we think it will help our students be better lawyers earlier (even if I'm skeptical about being ready on day one). 

Nonetheless, this may be an area where stated preferences differ from revealed preferences. Are our employment outcomes better? Yes. Are they better enough? Not until everyone gets a job -- but no number of clinics will get that done. Market conditions and prestige are the key drivers, and this paper finds as much.” [Emphasis mine]

Can you even picture these bitches and hags working in private law firms? They would be required to be productive – and publishing articles that point out the obvious does not fall under that category. At least, this “educator” is honest about market conditions and prestige, i.e. decent law firms don’t want to hire idiots who went to low-ranked toilets. So what the hell is the point of attending such a cesspool and taking part in these clinics?!?!

Conclusion: In the final analysis, the law school cockroaches have been using these programs so they can chirp about making students “practice ready.” The MAIN problem is that there are not enough damn legal job openings for the numbers of law grads each year! Anyone with a brain stem and a shred of honesty has realized this for years. For the dense, building more horse-drawn carriages is not going to magically lead to an increase in demand for such a product. If you are still considering law school at this point, then you are a pathetic fool.


  1. I don't have time to waste reading this "paper". But I can see where it's going. Clinics don't get students jobs so let's stick with Socratic method. Does anyone thin that's the right answer??? The fact is that the TTT are really training solos; there are no jobs for legions of them. So while clinics may not be the way to get them a job in a market where there are none it will help somewhat with what they will do - struggle and starve to pry $250 at a time from clients who can't or won't pay.

    If this "professor" had really wanted to research and write something relevant he would have turned his attention to how many law schools the paying legal market can support but that might hit too close to the pocket book

  2. For the record, I was a partner at a law firm, where I both published articles AND tried cases and argued appeals. Can you imagine? Apparently not.

    My primary question from this screed is why Orin Kerr gets to be an op-ed writer while I'm merely a pig.

    1. If you want to know why you are merely a pig, look at the employment rates, starting salaries, and accumulated debt of your students and compare it to your paycheck. Looking at your students financial profile, do you really think you're giving the value represented by your paycheck or do you think you are just the beneficiary of a perverted government backed student loan program? Does this help answer your question, PIG?

    2. Sorry, pig but I just realized that I might have asked the impossible of you. I just looked a Villanova law scool on lst but couldn't find salary data published.

      Here's an idea for your next law review article- would post modern realist philosophers interpret a law schools unwillingness to publish salary data as an admission or would they consider it more like taking the 5th??? Noodle on that and let us know your thoughts. Hell, couldn't be any more worthless than most other law review articles.

    3. @ 4:57

      Pig is actually too good a term to use for worthless scum such as yourself. In a just world, you and your entire charlatan caste of academic thieves would be guillotined in a public square.

    4. Professor Risch:

      Villanova's Law School Transparency Employment score is 53.3%. The Underemployment score is 31.3%. Since Tuition is just north of 40,000 per year, those 31.3% have in a very real way had their financial lives utterly ruined by the stupid decision to attend your school and direct federal student loan rents into your pocket.

      That should answer your question, sir.

    5. Michael, I hear you. You published the notion that precious little other than market conditions would affect JD unemployment, and that is admirable and a step in the right direction.

      But you'll remain a pig unless you choose to act against, and no longer profit from, a system that is powered by the flesh of the young.

    6. My Dear Michael,

      If it is your emotions that want protecting you should not venture beyond the censored halls of the perfectly-named, Faculty Lounge.

      Recall February of 2011. That is when Villanova University School of Law, Dean John Y. Gotanda, admitted Villanova had fabricated critical consumer information for years and published it to the ABA and US News.

      In fact, the *only* sufficiently detailed consumer information upon which to decide whether, and where, one will attend law school is generated by the schools themselves, so its importance cannot be overstated.

      Villanova Law directly financially benefited from this fraud, and through Villanova, so did you.

      If for just 30 seconds you could experience the suffering that the fraud of law schools in the aggregate has caused, I think you would not be able to bear it.

      It is not too much to demand now that law professors put up or shut up.

      Every lawyer has to decide whether he will or will not mislead a client considering services into signing on the dotted line. Rotten as this profession is in many way, the vast majority of lawyers do not mislead their clients about the merits of a case in order to get a fee. Fewer still would do so when the downside for the client would be catastrophic and permanent.

      You, Orin Kerr, and every other law professor that chooses to benefit from this ongoing fraud are making a choice that the vast majority of your fellow lawyers would utterly reject no matter how much money they were offered.

      That being said, GW scams too. It still advertises a 90% 9-month employment rate in its glossy brochures that is pure horse shit.

      If you want to take this whole "put up or shut up" thing in baby steps, you should obtain a list of all prospective Villanova Law students and send them your frank assessment of the legal labor market.

      I dare you to. You should post your missive here when you do.

    7. This arrogant post should serve as a warning for anyone considering the shithole known as Villanova. This pompous prick has the gall to claim that publishing matters when HALF OF HIS CLASS CAN'T GET JOBS AS LAWYERS.

      Why the hell else would anyone go to law school? To accumulate debt so Risch can feed at the trough?

      Employers don't care for a Villanova Law School education. If this were a free market with consumers who had clear information (which has only recently started coming out--not nearly fast enough to affect all consumer decisions), and not non-dischargable loans courtesy of Sallie Mae, Villanova Law would be insolvent. Employers clearly don't want the shit-product he's been producing at Villanova.

      Anyone 0Ls with half a brain should avoid the sort of cesspool that employs this putz.

    8. For the record, everyone please note that Michael Risch's curriculum vitae states that he was a partner in an intellectual property boutique known as Russo and Hale L.L.P. Russo and Hale L.L.P. was a three attorney firm; and is now a two attorney firm because Mr. Risch is now listed as an of counsel. Additionally, according to their website, every lawyer at Russo and Hale is a partner and there are no associates. I just thought I'd bring these facts up to respectfully point out that Mr. Risch wasn't exactly a major success in the private sector. In actuality, Mr. Risch made partner at a firm with a 100% partnership track. Therefore, Mr. Risch's boast about making partner on this site is not exactly impressive. It is akin to a boast about getting a free sample at the local Costco.

    9. Good work 8:13. Risch made it seem like he was a rousing success and arguing cases in front of Scalia et al.

    10. Good research at 8:13. It looks like Risch has had trouble finding really good jobs, even with his law degree from Chicago. We can hope that makes him more understanding of the many Villanova graduates who can't find legal jobs at all.

    11. This evisceration I have just seen warms the cockles of me heart.

    12. Mr. Risch bragging about making partnership at a formerly 3 attorney office is just as disingenuous as me trying to impress people I was the captain of a rowboat. And yes, Villanova is a shithole and if there was as.much transparency in reviewing law schools as consumers can find in reviewing brand new cars, Villanova would be a Ford Pinto with a dangerous gas tank that will explode and incinerate you if you purchase it.

    13. Making partner at a 3-person shop is a bit like spending the weekend trolling prostitutes and then bragging about what a pick-up artist you are....

    14. @February 6, 2015 at 7:05 AM

      Don't call him a pig. It offends pigs.

    15. But this is what lawprofs and the cartel does, overall. Make false equivalencies, humble-brag about accomplishments, and compete for preftiege....all while obfuscating the truth and realities that face unconnected law grads with no backing.

      Oh, but by all means, let's all sit at the feet of professors like Risch. What we were missing where his pearls of Boomer wisdom, that was the problem all along...! Silly Millineals, born in the wrong decade...!

    16. Actually, 6:08 AM, he appears to be a Gen-Xer, not a Boomer, which is even worse.

      Boomers feeding on the next generataions like vampire squid is well-known expected. Gen-Xers going turncoat, while knowing better, is a special kind of premeditated evil...

  3. LOL at butt-hurt lawprofs feeling the heat of the marketplace as applicants to law school finally get the message. The bubble is not impregnable, after all.

    Pride goeth before a fall. The truth of student outcomes is out there in sources like LST (and you don't even have to go that far, just look at one's own graduating classes around you), but cognative dissonance obviously takes its toll on one's razor-sharp legal analytics. Especially where money is concerned.

  4. Nova Southeastern University has an outstanding law program and.... has a certified legal intern prgram. This allows law students to engage in limited legal work. Odd that it's a public interest school that cost so much. Many fine DA's and prosectuers were products of the program. AND yes... you can still live the dream like ""Eugine Young from "the practice".. locking away criminals by day... and sipping $20 martini's by night as you tell your epic courtroom stories to the hot ladies at the disco !!

  5. Internships, clinics, moot court, think tanks, legal tiger tanks and whatever else can be dreamed up might look great on paper but are useless due to lack of employment. They simply don't matter when there are very few jobs. There are many top law school graduates pursuing something else because of this. This is also why many law schools are hiring their own graduates.

  6. An Arab Sheik kicked the living shit out of an American lawyer in a posh Swiss hotel bar that made International news. It is a funny story. The lawyer was publicly belted and flogged. Google. "Sivano Orsi beaten" and you will see articles everywhere. Guy sues the Sheik for $7 Million and completely loses. Does not get a penny. Boston University Law School grad who did clinical work. Tells you people's chances of collecting in law suits.

    1. Looks more like he sued the Swiss government for overturning an initial conviction. I think he knew he couldn't successfully sue the sheik himself outside of the uS.

  7. Law profs are thieves, and then they cry about getting called out on their piggish behavior. What nonsense.

  8. This is just more rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic. Tweaks in curriculum cant prepare law students for jobs that do not exist.

  9. In Michael's defense, perhaps big law does not take clinical experience as seriously as class placement. Lets suppose that Big Law Firm is looking at two students from say, NYU Law. One has a gpa a 3.1 and clinical experience. The other has a GPA of 3.4 and no clinical experience.

    The Big Law Firm recruiter may be under instructions to only interview the top x% of the class, so that clinical experience is not even considered if the person falls outside that percent.

    If employers do not care about clinics they will not help students obtain any immediate advantage in the job market.

  10. In law, the only thing that counts is presTTTige. Seems right: how else can you distinguish individuals with identical work product?

  11. Quite frankly, Professor Risch, your law school should not exist. Neither should Drexel.You should not have a job. Are you prepared to deal with the harsh realities of life? Your students have been forced to deal with them for years.

  12. Michael Risch, I refer to all “law professors” as pigs and cockroaches. After all, you thieves are FINANCIALLY RUINING LEGIONS of students each year. You rodents KNOW that this field is GLUTTED. Furthermore, advances in technology and software will continue to lead to fewer attorneys. For years, you bastards placed the blame on students – for failing to land legal jobs – after initially sucking up to them during the application process and orientation.

    Back on February 4, 2011, Elie Mystal lit into the toilet known as Vanillanova Univer$iTTy Sewer of Law, in a piece entitled “Villanova Law ‘Knowingly Reported’ Inaccurate Information to the ABA.” Look at this opening:

    “In a letter just released to students and alumni of Villanova University School of Law, Dean John Y. Gotanda admits that Villanova Law knowingly reported inaccurate admissions information to the American Bar Association, for years prior to 2010.

    The school has conducted an internal investigation and has been independently audited by Ropes & Gray. In response to the investigation and audit findings, the school will reorganize its admissions reporting process, with the goal of implementing “a reporting system which is above reproach.” In addition, according to Dean Gotanda’s letter, “the University will hold those responsible accountable for their actions.”

    Sadly, this is not the first scandal that has rocked the law school in recent years….

    Dean John Gotanda is the new Villanova law dean. The previous dean, Mark Sargent, resigned under difficult circumstances.

    Dean Sargent’s problems had to do with his personal life. Right now Dean Gotanda is dealing with a more important professional crisis. Regardless of what you say to prospective law students, you’ve got to be accurate in your direct dealings with the ABA.”

    As others have recommended, you should personally send that Faculty Lounge article to every student enrolled in your toilet. By the way, ass-clown: Villanova is currently ranked as the 93rd “best” law school in the country – by US “News” & World Report. Yes, that is a tremendous accomplishment, huh?!?! You must be very proud.

    In the end, I don’t give a damn that you are offended by my description of you and other “law professors” as pigs. Think of all the Villanova Law grads who were unable to even enter the legal “profession.” Take a look at the average law student indebtedness figures for the class of 2013. According to USN&WR, this figure was $113,696. What percentage of that cohort landed Biglaw, i.e. the type of job that would allow for these JDs to reasonably pay back their student loans?

  13. Michael Risch, you should know that Villanova law school is in a death spiral—despite your shiny new building. Over half your graduates have no prospect of legal employment. Deduct the lucky one who can join Daddy’s small firm in Shamokin Pa or some other isolated dump, and the number is probably closer to 1/3. Looking ahead four or five years, perhaps the 1/3 have been winnowed down to 1/6 as big and medium firms hire new graduate fodder.

    I graduated from your toilet school (before flirting with TTT status) over 25 years ago. Gave up a good career track government job to attend Villanova Law and graduated with no offers for of any kind of legal employment. Wound up working in an entry-level position in a small business at a much lower salary than I previously made before law school. Attending Villanova Law was the biggest mistake of my life. Wish Nando’s blog existed back then, or that someone like Paul Campos had then spoken the truth about your scam. While the legal employment situation has deteriorated significantly outside the T-7 in the last 20 years, at least undergraduates now have unbiased information regarding your filthy scam.

    If any lemming that isn’t accepted at U. Penn Law wants to roll the dice, they will attend Temple Law, at much lower cost, than your sinking ship. Start losing enough money, and your party school parent will shut you down.

    1. Trust me, Temple is no prize.

      The pigs at that school screw-over their students by grading on a 2.85 curve, mandating that something like 40% of students get a "c" per class. Professors then get to openly condescend and ignore their requests for advice--since they're not going to get a job anyway, why bother?

      Needless to say, I'm quite scarred from my awful experience at Temple. The only advantage to Temple was its low cost, as well as the various food trucks parked outside (lots of good eats on campus).

  14. Legal clinics are a total waste. They just exist to give 0Ls the idea that they'll come out ready to practice law.

    Just one problem with that. There aren't enough lawyer jobs, even of the shit pay variety. So, uh, have fun not using your lawyer skills when you're working a regular working stiff 9-to-5 job, dupes.

    1. As John Travolta said in the movie Swordfish, Legal clinics are like masturbation without the payoff.

  15. I did an environmental law clinic my last year at law school.

    After graduation, it took me over a year to finally find legal work, and it was doing insurance defense work at some unremarkable firm in the suburbs. The work was completely mindless.

    In the end, the clinic didn't matter one bit.

  16. You guys see only the bad in everything. I did legal clinic, and it is the first time I felt like a lawyer and it was the first time I started putting things together . . . civil procedure, evidence, etc. Did clinic get me a job? No. For that I depended on my personality and ability.

    1. 2:40 PM,

      "Did the clinic get me a job? No."

      So, what you're saying is that assuming the obligation for a bunch of money that was paid to third parties did not help you.

      That is why this place is "negative." If you relied on a pre-existing skill or quality you developed all by yourself to get a job....then the money that was paid on your behalf to your "educators" was not only unnecessary, but a rip-off. You still have to pay it back + the above-market-interest.

      What so many people do not understand is that the "negative" persons here - and in so many other places- are here to WARN. They are here to prevent the bad outcomes. They are here because they give a damn, because they love, because they relate, and - some of them - have also selflessly risked personal and professional consequences for loving, for warning and for telling the truth.

      The people who are "negative" are trying to turn their personal tragedies into a positive outcome for someone else. They are selfless, caring, unpaid, loving, and truthful.

      The legal industry is littered with victims who did not have a good outcome...people in impossible financial situations who discover how screwed they are after the fact.

      If even ONE person suffered a terrible, unjust, unconscionable outcome as the result of a whole cadre of laws designed to make sure that if their investment turned out to be a bad one, they would suffer the rest of their lives as a result...this movement would be justified.

      If you do not yet understand that a "good outcome" for a law graduate is chance or the privilege of connections, then you have a lot to learn.


    On Decemeber 13, 2014, Kathleen Gallagher of the Milwaukee Wisconsin Journal-Sentinel wrote an article labeled “Marquette law clinic to offer free legal services to start-ups.” Take a look at the following excerpt:

    “In a move that could bolster the region's innovation efforts, Marquette University is launching a clinic that will provide free legal services to start-ups and entrepreneurs.

    The first such clinic in the area, it will provide services to aspiring companies ranging from high-tech start-ups to mom-and-pop grocery stores, said Nathan Hammons, a full-time faculty member and the clinic's director.

    Marquette's Law and Entrepreneurship Clinic supports the vision for entrepreneurship and innovation that Michael Lovell, the school's recently installed president, has laid out for the campus community. But it also will fill a gap in the region's emerging start-up scene, observers said.

    "Milwaukee has a young but growing start-up community, and the more support for that community that's out there, the better," said John McDonald, a partner at Godfrey & Kahn who works with start-up companies.

    From organizational documents to ownership and intellectual property concerns, company founders are often faced with a rash of legal needs for which they have no cash, McDonald said.

    "If you don't have agreements with founders or you don't get good legal advice when you're raising money, you can be screwed as a company," said Matt Cordio, executive director of Startup Milwaukee, which provides resources for local entrepreneurs.

    The Law and Entrepreneurship Clinic will be staffed by Marquette law students, who will earn academic credits and work under Hammons' supervision.”

    Delusional, do-gooder lemmings may feel that this will give them a real “skill” and look good on their resume. The fact remains that law firms and other employers view you as a loser or an also-ran if this is a crucial part of your background.

    Here is a personal insight into legal clinics. When I was at Third Tier Drake, I remember when one clinic student had a case where a man was pulled over by a parking enforcement ass-wipe. It went to a hearing, and instead of letting the student argue it, one of the “professors” decided to take this upon himself. I vividly recall this man licking his chops, just waiting to pounce on the prosecution and the poor “civil servant.”

    This is what happened instead: the “professor” got his ass handed to him, and it affected a real live, broke-ass client. The “educator” did his research into what constitutes a “law enforcement officer” and didn’t do him, the student or the client any damn good. The prosecutor argued successfully that a parking goon can pull over someone behind the wheel and detain them until a real cop is on the scene to perform a BAC test on the poor dupe. The student lawyer was pissed, but she would have been bludgeoned even worse, I suppose. Immediately after, I just laughed to myself seeing that the academic got bitch-slapped and drop kicked in court, on a rather routine matter. According to the student, the hearing wasn't even close and the judge raked the "professor" over the coals.

    1. I have noticed an increasing number of "Law and Entrepreneurship" programs and clinics. Looks like the scam has sprouted a new excrescence.

    2. The problem with these type clinics is they are competing with there recent, small firm graduates. It wasn't much, but helping a small business incorporate for a few hundred dollars might pay a phone bill. Why use that young (in some cases old) struggling lawyer to do this work when Marquette will do it for free. Marquette is depriving already struggling lawyers a source of pay, just so it can put a new shade of lipstick on the pig. How depressingly typical.


    Back on October 13, 2014, ATL's Joe Patrice unzipped his fly and urinated in Madison Rutherford's mouth, in an entry entitled "Another Stupid Defense Of Law School From HuffPo." Read this portion:

    "Everything about 22 Reasons Why Going to Law School Is the Best Decision You’ll Ever Make is sublime. The article touches the face of God by slapping Him and then giving Him the finger. Imagine a defense of law school so bereft of substance that it actually exposes the cynical lie driving the law school-industrial complex. Truly a work of beauty.

    Presumably trying to newsjack the success of How To Get Away With Murder (inaccurate though it may be), the venerable Huffington Post unleashed these 22 Reasons Why Going to Law School Is the Best Decision You’ll Ever Make upon the world. If we were trying, I’m pretty sure we can come up with 165K+ why it’s a bad one.

    The story is written by Madison Rutherford, a senior in Journalism at San Francisco State. What does she know about the value of a law degree? Not much actually. And she’s graciously offered to show us how little she knows about law school in reader-friendly listicle format!

    Join us then, as we review all 22 terrible reasons to go to law school….

    Let’s get this straight, we shouldn’t blame Rutherford for anything in this article. The real culprit is LSAC, which appears to have commissioned this advertorial content to shore up their flagging numbers. Meaning, they intentionally commissioned someone someone not in a position to understand the truth. That’s one more reason this article is so brilliant: we get to look inside what law school’s trade organization actually wants kids to think about law school, and the floor model falls laughably far from the reality.

    1. Know Your Rights: Or pay attention in your high school government class and you’ll know just as much as a law student about your rights. But this is as good a place as any to point out that all 22 items on this list fall into three basic categories: (a) stuff that suggests that lawyers have magic powers, (b) stuff that’s blatantly untrue, and (c) stuff that’s true, but kind of irrelevant as between going to law school and “doing a million other things that adults do.” As the list goes on, each of these makes the flimsiness of the law school argument more and more apparent.

    2. Contest a Ticket Like a Boss: I forgot about NYU Law’s Traffic Law Clinic. Seriously though, you will learn nothing in law school that will help you contest a ticket because there’s nothing in traffic law that makes any goddamned sense anyway. If you try and challenge a ticket, here’s what happens: You take time out of your work day to show up and wait around for an hour, then the judge comes in and hugs the officer who is obviously his brother, then you pay your fine and walk out. A deep understanding of Delaware’s corporate governance laws provides little comfort."

    Wow! NYU has a traffic law clinic! Aren’t you impressed yet, people?!?! Contesting traffic tickets is about as productive as challenging an professional MMA fighter or boxer in the ring, to prove that you’re right and they’re wrong. I have seen dumbass cops in court forget the traffic stop video, and on nothing but the word of a moron with a badge, the judge declare “I find that you violated the traffic ordinance beyond all reasonable doubt.” It’s a formality, so the tax collectors in black dresses and the ones in blue can pinch the working classes a little more.

  19. One of the H. Post's main income sources is allowing outside groups to print an op-ed without disclosure. Hence, H. Post has a large PR component...


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