Monday, July 6, 2015

BloombergBusiness Asks Whether the Time is Right to Shutter Some ABA Commodes

Bloomberg’s Analysis: On July 1, 2015, BloombergBusiness published a Natalie Kitroeff piece, which was entitled “Is It Time to Start Shutting Down Law Schools?” Read the entire article, but first check out this opening:

“This month, the American Bar Association provisionally accredited a new law school at Concordia University. More than 200 law schools are accredited in the U.S. An analysis of data from the ABA itself raises the question whether that list should be getting any longer. 

Law schools exist for a lot of reasons, but a pretty important one is to prepare people to be lawyers. By that standard, a large handful of institutions seem to be failing. Last year, 10 law schools were unable to place more than 30 percent of their graduating class in permanent jobs that required passing the bar, according to ABA data. Those job numbers don't include positions that schools fund for their graduates or people who say they are starting their own practice. 

At the University of Massachusetts School of Law, the American school with the worst job outcomes by this measure, just 22 percent of people who graduated in 2014 got those types of law jobs. 

“We are a work in progress, and we need to improve our bar-pass rate and improve our employment, and I am not embarrassed about that,” says Mary Lu Bilek, the dean of U-Mass Law. Forty-two of the 60 U-Mass Law students who took the bar in February or July 2013 passed the test. The school counted 81 graduates in 2014. [Pig] Bilek notes that the school's employment numbers have improved in recent years and says she doesn’t think it’s fair to discount people who have opted to do things with their J.D. besides become lawyers. 

“The traditional elite jobs aren’t the jobs that our students generally want,” she says. “There’s not room for another law school that wants to have students who want to do that, because there aren’t enough jobs for that.” [Emphasis mine]

As you can see from Bilak’s comments above, these cockroach deans and “professors” DO NOT GIVE ONE GODDAMN about their students or graduates. You are a mere mean$ to an end, mental midget. The swine have no shame and not one ounce of integrity. Plus, nothing is beneath them. Hell, the Univer$iTTTTTy of Ma$$achu$eTTTTTs Sewer of Law “placed” 22% of its grads – from the Class of 2014 – in jobs where bar passage is required – and the bitch still is not embarrassed.

The author then continued:

“Years of a disappointing job market for lawyers have dramatically reduced the number of people interested in getting a law degree. According to the Law School Admission Council, just under 53,000 people are expected to apply to law schools by the beginning of the 2015 academic year, down from more than 100,000 in 2004. 

Instead of making more things that fewer and fewer people want to pay for, one thought would be to eliminate some of those things. Are there law schools that should disappear? “Maybe. But how is that going to happen?" asks Al Brophy, a law professor at UNC. "Will it happen because places say voluntarily, ‘hey, we aren’t making money, so we should shut down?’” 

Schools will not volunteer for their own demise, Brophy says, partly because so many people—alumni, faculty, staff—have a strong interest in keeping the end at bay. “It is going to take a lot to have schools shut down. What I think we are going to find is that they are going to be able to operate on shoestring budgets.” [Emphasis mine]

Brophy correctly points out that his fellow academic con artists will not voluntarily leave the scam – especially since it continues to be so profitable. However, in order to reach “shoestring budget” levels, MANY staff and even some faculty will first need to be flushed down the toilet.

Other Coverage: On July 1, 2015, JDU poster “sjlawyer” posted a thread simply labeled “Is It Time to Start Shutting Down Law Schools?” Yes, he merely copied the headline from Bloomberg. Anyway, check out his first comment:

“Money quote: 

“The traditional elite jobs aren’t the jobs that our students generally want,” [Mary Lu Bilek, the dean of U-Mass Law] says. “There’s not room for another law school that wants to have students who want to do that, because there aren’t enough jobs for that.” 

Don't want or can't get? And are there enough jobs for students who want any type of legal career?” [Emphasis mine]

This gets right to the point. Biglaw is NOT AN OPTION for students who graduate from schools such as the Univer$iTTTTTy of Ma$$achu$$eTTTTTs, in the same way that a backup point guard at Oklahoma City Community College has no shot in hell at playing in the NBA. Federal employment is also out of reach for these fools.

Conclusion: In the final analysis, the American Bar Association cockroaches have accredited FAR TOO MANY trash pits. There are now over 200 ABA-approved schools in operation. As fewer people apply to law school, the acceptance rates continue to increase. Still, there are too damn many graduates for the available number of attorney openings each year. Of course, the “professors” and administrators could care less. After all, they got overpaid – via the federal student loan $y$tem – up front, in full. YOU, the student and graduate, are the one stuck with a huge load of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt. 

Then again, the information on the law school scam is extensive – and it has been easily available for years, to anyone with an internet connection. If you are still applying to these filthy cesspools and sickening commodes, then you deserve your fate. By the way, if waterheads were not still enrolling in these laughingstock law schools, several of them would have already been demolished.  Thanks for keeping the thieves in business, Dumbass.


  1. That is a powerful commentary, Nando. You'd think the "deans" and "professors" would recognize a devastating indictment when they read one. Here's to every desperate scammer reading this blog, of which there are hundreds. Cheers!

  2. Didn't one law school name its toilets or men's urinals after rich donors?

    1. Indiana Tech should style itself the Dougie Fresh Pond Scum Memorial Shithole.

  3. Ah, yes, the "[I don't] think it’s fair to discount people who have opted to do things with their J.D. besides become lawyers" defense. What kind of knuckle-dragger falls for this garbage?

    How about this, Mary Lu Bilek, you goddamn moron, how about graduating a class with an unemployment rate equal to the larger economy?

    No? You can't pull that off? How about twice the rate of the rest of the economy?

    No? Your graduates still aren't able to find jobs even at twice the unemployment rate? How about three times the unemployment rate of the rest of economy?

    No? Still? What does this say about YOU and your WORTHLESS degree, Mary Lu Imbecile Bilek?

    Mary Lu Cretin Bilek, your bullshit isn't even credible. It's one thing to educate people who don't want to be lawyers. But you're not doing that. You're sending your graduates out the door with six-figures of non-dischargable debt. Worse, your graduates have the scarlet letters on their resumes of being "overeducated" for jobs that they might otherwise settle for.

    Mary Lu Idiot Bilek, the rest of the world has set the bar low for you. You continue to fail in meeting that low bar. You SHOULD be ashamed of that.

    I only wish you could suffer the fate of the graduates you have bilked.

  4. Living in Taxachusetts isn't going to help things either.

  5. 6:49 has it exactly right.

    It seems to me she is saying something to the effect that, "It's a good thing our students who are paying $200,000 for a degree in horse n buggy whip making don't want to make whips, 'cause there are no whip making jobs out there." That's a good thing? On what freaking planet???

  6. "We are a work in progress"—what the fuck is she talking about? Why should anyone spend tens of thousands of dollars a year to attend "a work in progress"?

    1. That's admin B.S. talk, right up there with 'male predator.'

      The college admin industry is ballooning to the point wehre there are actual masters programs for this crap:

      Resident Adviser


      Before it was a primary job mover, these parasites would master in education and call it a day.
      The other day, while I was hitting on the ubiquitous foreign chicks at my local toilet because free trade chased all the young people aeway from my city, i ran into a clown majoring in "k-12 educational business" and " college administration." When I mentioned the ballooning student debt, he gave the CEO SOP of 'best talent,' and "kids need support services' to explain away ballooning tuition. I then mentioned there were no official college admins in the past, just old professors and we could go back to 1980 and cut tuition in half, he giggled.

  7. Dean Mary Lu "Bilked" (Bilek) is no saint and the shit flows downhill from the UMASS photo of her practically ad nausem. (The photo is easily 20+ years old; I know what she looked like in NYC.)

    Dean "Bilked's" first academia job was at CUNY School of Law. There were frequent bar failure issues with the school during her 20 years there. Other issues included academic misrepresentation with the degree of course offerings such that students protested. In the mid-late 2000s, Dean Bilek was effectively told to "get a clue" and instead of being a leading dean, she became a dean of special projects, one such leading project was readily finding a new job.

    Dean "Bilked" thus landed at UMASS-Dartmouth, home of the former Southern New England "Scam of Law."

    Dean "Bilked" runs a school with a $3.8 mil operating deficit. The school recently cut class size by 33 percent, to 72 students. this Scam of Law is not fully accredited. Even if the bar pass rate improves, the lack of financial stability adversely affects ABA accrediting, and a key to being allowed to sit for the bar.

    The Scam of Law was unwanted by other law schools in the area/region. It was also supposed to be operating with no detriment to the taxpayers. Instead, state taxpayers foot the bill for basic operating costs.

    Recent history demonstrates that in and around the time of Dean "Bilked" administering the Dartmouth "Scam of Law," the bar pass rate is just shy of being 20 PERCENT LOWER than the STATE AVERAGE of 88 PERCENT.

    Furthermore, the Dean "Bilked" UMASS "Scam of Law" had 65 pure job situations for its 2014 graduates (i.e., no school employment support). Of these 65 jobs only 31 required bar passage.

    Tuition ALONE is $24,000 for in-state students, and $32,000 for out-of-state students.

    How do you like those odds lemming?!?!?!?! All these figures DO NOT include this "Scam of Law's" cost of attendence aspects. All this will leave you in mountains of NON-DISCHARGABLE STUDENT DEBT beyond what you encumbered as a undergraduate.

    CONCLUSION: Avoid Dean "Bilked" and UMASS and all "Scams of Law." The data is not to be ignored.

  8. These people hath no shame, no shame, in light of these horrendous placement outcomes. This is one of myriad reasons, I believe, that the Boomer generation will go down as one of the most loathed in history. On their watch, "higher education" costs have risen astronomically, while the relative value of the underlying degree deflates. Disgusting.

  9. A prescient comment, inadvertent, by the chapel hill professor, "schools wont close until the end-of-the-line," is striking from just 25 years ago when dental schools shuddered beceause they didn't llike the quality of applicants, which were at all time lows.

    The country has really gone from bad to worse then when there is not even a pretense of responsibility by academia...


    On January 16, 2015, the Chronicle of Higher Education published a brilliant post entitled “Lowering the Bar” – by reporter Ry Rivard. Check out this epic opening:

    “As the number of students going to law school drops dramatically, law schools are increasingly competing for students with lower undergraduate grades and LSAT scores.

    Thomas M. Cooley Law School – the largest law school in the country – is known for admitting students other law schools would not touch. The reputation is increasingly inaccurate. Last fall, seven law schools had entering classes with lower median LSAT scores than Cooley’s.

    Professors who study legal education worry that schools are enrolling more and more students who have not proved they can graduate law school. Equally concerning is that law schools are admitting and then graduating students who might not be able to pass the bar exam.

    Five years ago, no American Bar Association-accredited law school had an entering class with a median LSAT score of less than 145. Now, seven law schools do, according to Jerome M. Organ, a professor at University of St. Thomas School of Law who studies the legal market. That means at least half the first-year students at seven law schools scored a 144 on the LSAT or lower.

    The LSAT has a scale of 180 down to 120. The average LSAT score is around 150. The LSAT has a margin of error, but 145 is considered a symbolic line by legal education experts and school administrators.

    "At one level, we’re in uncharted territory,” Organ said.

    Southern University Law Center – part of the historically black Southern University and A&M College System – is one of those seven schools. Its median LSAT score last fall was 144. Still, it is running into competition for students.

    “Certain schools never would have admitted a student with a 145 LSAT score several years ago,” said SULC's vice chancellor, John K. Pierre. “But this year they did and last year they did, and in some cases they are even offering students with that profile scholarships or tuition reductions.”

    This is beyond unethical conduct. It is shameful garbage perpetrated by academic thieves and criminals. The key passage in the excerpt above is with regard to the fact that SEVEN ABA-accredited toilets had an entering class with a median LSAT below 145.

    According to this chart, courtesy of LawSchooli, a score of 145 would have placed one in the 27th percentile of all test-takers in 2013. This includes the morons who showed up drunk to the LSAT testing center, as well as those who experienced anxiety-triggered bouts of explosive diarrhea throughout the exam. Hell, a trained chimp could have guessed on the LSAT and perhaps scored better than these dolts. And a total of seven ABA-approved law schools had at least half of their 2014 entering class with a score under 145 on this test. Do you think that these waterheads have a chance in hell of landing decent legal employment upon completion of their TTTT $tudie$?! Yes, this is a super prestigious “profession,” right?!?!

    1. The goddamn ABA should impose a floor of 160. That change alone would render inadmissible about 80% of the people taking the test.

      But we live and die in the real world, in which the ABA shills for the law-school scam and duly accredits law skules (including "prestigious" ones such as the Univershitty of Texas) that admit people with scores in the 120s.

    2. Heh. As an Aggie, I'll have to remember that one, Old Guy.

  11. At this point, I can only conclude Arnie Duncan and the rest of the parasites at the DOE are criminal liable as they must be accepting bribes to keep the student loan gravy train flowing to these trash pits.

    If they are not taking bribes, then they are either criminally negligent or mentally incompetent, and should not have their jobs. They should be in jail.

    In fact, I am actually perfectly willing to let all the banks and law school personnel and everyone else go, as long as we can throw government employees and politicians in jail for what they've done.

    The private entities are profit driven (and don't let non-profit fool you, these are all private business entities) and are doing what they're supposed to do. The government is elected and these high level officials are appointed, and it is their duty to protect the public from scams, not aid the scammers.

    We know the judicial system is rigged so we can't sue the schools. And it's probably equally as hopeless against these parasites in the public sector. But it would at least get people talking. Too bad we can't bring criminal charges.

  12. The time is right to close some law schools, objectively.

    But, like any other industry, the subjective interests of the players affected would say, "No, you can't close us! Now is a great time to apply to law school!"

    Follow the money.

  13. I read a story today about how Barry Law School's CFO was arrested for allegedly embezzling funds from the school's coffers. Perhaps he is a clairvoyant and saw the endgame nearing for Barry and his position and decided to help himself to an early severance package.

    When cornered like a trapped rat, these academic thieves will resort to anything. I cannot wait until the law school scam train derails and forces the louts posing as faculty to get real jobs as lawyers. That will be pure comedy gold.


    Back on November 7, 2014, Paul Caron posted a blog entry labeled “80 Law Schools Are at Risk of Closure, Mostly in California, Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.” Look at the portion below:

    "David Barnhizer (Cleveland State), Looking at the Law School ‘Crisis’ from the Perspective of the University:

    Even with the very large excess capacity represented by the number of law schools and graduates versus the available jobs it is unlikely that the number of closings of ABA accredited schools will exceed the predictions offered below by Matt Leichter, Jerry Organ [10%] and Brian Leiter [up to 10]. ... But as many as 20 law schools could be closed in the near future and many others will be forced to adjust and adapt. ... My best guess would be that 80 law schools are at some degree of risk. The risks will in many cases be managed by shrinkage, layoffs, mergers and consolidations, distance learning and computer-based instruction strategies, and by adoption of additional kinds of educational missions. Accessing new applicant pools that benefit from some modified forms of education in law while not seeking the right to practice in the traditional sense will also produce new versions of law schools or new components within schools. The changes will be exciting but for many they will be painful.

    Just as the legal employment market is over-saturated due to the surplus numbers of graduates law schools pumped into the system over the past twenty years, the productive capacity of the law school “industry” is entirely out of balance with all foreseeable need for law graduates. Given the direction the traditional employment markets for lawyers are heading no more than 80-100 law schools could easily serve America’s need for new law graduates. With various projections of law employment (as we know it) put at 23,000 available positions annually (and quite possibly substantially lower) compared to the 45,000 that was the norm for a time, there is no need for 203 (ABA) fully accredited law schools, for another five provisionally accredited schools, or for the graduates of the numerous California non-ABA law schools approved by that state’s Bar, and another ten or so new or entirely unaccredited law schools...

    The truth is that law faculties and law deans have very limited control over what is going to occur at law schools. The ongoing “tinkering” with largely cosmetic curricular change that is claimed to significantly reform legal education is more public relations than substance. Minor curriculum adaptations are not going to “win the day” because the problems law schools and universities face go far deeper than curriculum. After decades of denying, ignoring and marginalizing educational (and research) orientations directed toward the needs of graduates entering the legal profession the idea that a majority of traditional law faculty members are suddenly committed to educating graduates to be more prepared to enter the practice of law is a combination of public relations announcements that re-label existing programs and teaching approaches that many clinical, professional responsibility and skills teachers have been doing for decades while being looked down on as intellectual inferiors by their doctrinal counterparts."

    If the ABA cockroaches didn’t (a) approve pretty much every commode seeking accreditation; and (b) require that academic thieves be grossly overpaid for their minimal, pathetic amount of “work,” then the bitches and hags would not be facing such a dilemma now. Then again, they have been able to get fat off the federal taxpayer, for decades. How “honorable” of these pigs, huh?!?!

    1. Are those 23,000 jobs including shitlaw and doc review? Because those are not good outcomes.

      I suspect there are no more than 8k jobs a year of real, substantive legal work. Jobs that justify the time and expense of a professional degree, as well as ongoing licensing fees and an ethics board that governs said profession.

      Far more people need medical care than legal service every year. Yet medical doctors are tightly regulated and one argument for the restriction is that it is to provide a higher quality of care.

      Well legal services are the same. Access to justice would mean access to quality legal service. If lawyers are to be respected and valued, they must be composed of talented and competent professionals. Not people with bottom quartile IQs.

  15. Over 4 million page views now, I see, for TTR, in its continued coverage of THE LAW SCHOOL SCAM.


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