Thursday, August 13, 2015

NALP Cockroaches Chirp About Improved Employment “Placement” Rate, While Noting the JD Class of 2014 Secured Fewer Jobs Than the Prior Cohort

Selected Findings: On July 31, 2015, the bitches and hags at NALP issued a press release labeled “Employment Rate for New Law School Graduates Rises by More Than Two Percentage Points - But Overall Number of Jobs Falls as the Size of the Graduating Class Shrinks.” How concise, huh?! Take a look at this opening:

“According to "Selected Findings from the Employment Report and Salary Survey for the Class of 2014" released today by NALP, for the first time since 2007 and the onset of the Great Recession, the employment rate for law school graduates has risen, from just 84.5% for the Class of 2013 to 86.7% for the Class of 2014, a jump of 2.2 percentage points.

This good news comes, however, with a few caveats. First, and most importantly, the employment rate measured for the Class of 2014 is not directly comparable with the employment rates for the classes that preceded it because beginning with the Class of 2014, following a similar decision made by the American Bar Association, employment status information was collected as of March 15, approximately ten months after a typical May graduation, rather than February 15, as had been the case since 1996. (Prior to that, employment data had been collected six months after graduation.) 

The other important piece of the jobs picture for the Class of 2014 is that the class was substantially smaller than the class that preceded it. (Indeed, according to the ABA it was nearly 3,000 graduates smaller than the Class of 2013, which will likely stand as the largest class to ever pass through the American legal education pipeline, at least for the foreseeable future.) And, importantly, that smaller class found fewer jobs than the class before it. The overall number of jobs secured by law school graduates had grown in each of the three preceding years, with the Class of 2010 holding the low post-recession watermark for the actual number of jobs found. For the Class of 2014, the overall number of jobs secured was three percent fewer than the Class of 2013, but because the size of the graduating class itself was more than six percent smaller than the previous class, the overall employment rate went up.” [Emphasis mine]

For those of you still considering law school, I will point out the following, since you find yourself in the lower end IQ crowd: the employment “placement” went up slightly by 2.2% but the number of jobs landed by 2014 law grads decreased by about 3 percent. Do you still want to take this big-ass gamble?!?! Perhaps, I need to draw you idiots a diagram with Crayola on posterboard.

Class of 2014 National Summary Report: If you prefer graphs or visuals, check out NALP’s National Summary Report for the JD Class of 2014. Last year, a total of 42,524 men and women earned their law degree from an ABA-accredited diploma mill. Employment status was known for 42,139 of these grads. They competed for 27,928 jobs where bar passage was required. What type of “profession” allows its member $chool$ to pump out 1.52 graduates for each opening?!?!

Keep in mind that law school pigs count all types of employment – i.e. full-time, part-time, long term, short term, legal, and non-law – when calculating the “placement” rate. With that knowledge, a total of 5,609 JDs fell into the following four categories, after 10 months: pursuing a degree full time; start date deferred past 3/15/2015; not employed and seeking; and unemployed but not looking for work. This brings the employment rate to 86.7 percent, i.e. (42,139-5,609)/42,139. After all, if you are pursuing another academic “credential,” it shows that law school did not pay off for you.

Scroll down to page two of this PDF. Under Size of Firm, you will notice that this group landed 18,587 private firm positions – including law clerk, paralegal and administrator. This figure takes the following into account: 816 desperate-ass solo practitioners, 7,670 grads in offices of 1-10 lawyers, and 1,870 typically making peanuts in firms of 11-25 attorneys. By the way, only 5,043 members of the JD Class of 2014 landed positions in offices with more than 250 lawyers – and this is consistent with recent years.

This represents a paltry 11.9% of all grads from this cohort, i.e. (5,043/42,524)*100. Still like your odds, waterhead?!?! In fact, this is skewed. If you enter law school, you do not have a roughly 1 in 9 chance of landing Biglaw – a job that may justify staggering amounts of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt and three years of mind-numbing “education.” That is because those offers are largely made to graduates of the top 5-10 law schools.

Average Law Student Indebtedness: US “News” & World Report provides a list of the average amount of student debt incurred by suckers who specifically took out loans to attend an ABA-accredited commode or trash can. These figures pertain to the Class of 2014, i.e. the same group of idiots covered by the NALP pages above. Do you think it would be a good idea to graduate from TTTThoma$ Jeffer$on Law Sewer, for an additional $172,445?! Perhaps, you believe that you are so amazing that YOU can walk away from Fourth Tier Florida Coastal Sewer of Law – with $162,785 in extra debt – and still emerge a rousing success. Hell, these figures don’t even take undergrad loans, or accruing interest during enrollment, into account.

Conclusion: While several subsequent JD classes will be smaller, and this should improve job prospects slightly for law grads from each cohort, the positions available are certainly not worth incurring an additional $120K-$180K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt. Also, the term “employment placement” is a joke, as it pertains to law school. As those of us who have been through the experience can attest, “career development” hags DO NOT help find you find jobs. 

Typically, these rodents excel in providing you with Power Point presentations and handouts on subjects such as “Sprucing Up Your Resume” and “Letting Your Personality Shine Through on Cover Letters and Writing Samples.” Furthermore, these dolts devote their time to assisting those in the top 10% of the class land decent employment, i.e. these cockroaches help those who need it the least. Yes, that is a great use of resources, right?!?! Don’t be a dumbass and throw your future away, simply because fewer graduates translates into supposed better odds at landing legal work. Again, taking on massive amounts of student loans – for a chance to land a $40K annual toiletlaw job – is not a good investment or life choice.


  1. The law schools'll be sure to cite to this as a good reason to go to law school.

  2. Also, how much did those jobs pay? Nowadays we see even public-sector jobs that pay nothing at all—and private-sector jobs with negative pay (one has to pay for the privilege of working).

  3. When did the NALP decide to let schools have 10 months instead of 9? That's bullshit.

  4. I b*tch about this a lot, but nobody considers the long-term outcomes of legal employment.

    Let's say you DO get a job practicing law, and you work consistently for a decade or so. What then? You're in your 40s, and suddenly you find yourself unemployable.

    The dirty little secret about law is that the legal career has a very short half-life, unless you either make partner, work in public sector or manage to go inhouse. It is very difficult to continue practicing law 10+ years after graduation, unless you have a portable book of business in excess of $150K revenues per year.

    You know how law has a high attrition rate? Well, up to now the theory was that people simply burned out. Not true!! This was a huge lie.

  5. For the Class of 2014, the overall number of jobs secured was three percent fewer than the Class of 2013, but because the size of the graduating class itself was more than six percent smaller than the previous class, the overall employment rate went up.”

    Even so, this is progress. The two years after the class of 2014 also saw very significant reductions in class size.

  6. How do imbiciles get through an undergrad without the critical thinking/basic arithmetic skills to understand such simple numbers?

    It's simple logic: If TTTT, then no job prospects. If bottom quarter of TTT, then no job prospects.

    Actually, I have 0% sympathy for shit-school matriculants. Especially in big cities. At this point these morons deserve their fate. These people shouldn't be allowed to represent clients in the first place. But the problem is that their attendance funds the worst of the worst commodes - those most in need of going bankrupt.

    What SHOULD happen: the LSAT should be forced to give a breakdown of employment statistics and debt when applying to schools. Seriously, buying a pack of cigarettes has more prominent warnings than a TTTT applicant gets before committing to a $160K folly.

    1. I know what you're saying, but it's not so simple.

      People in a position of authority (e.g. Professors & Deans) have powerful persuasion abilities. There is only so much scambloggers can do. Frankly, it's remarkable they've been able to achieve what they have achieved.

      That's why it's so important for us older and wiser people to fight back against the higher education cartel.

    2. First off, that should have been "LSAC" (not LSAT, obviously--since that's an inanimate object) that should be forced to give warning at every step of the TTTT enrolment process.

      And I hear what you're saying, but the salesmanship you describe isn't any better than those "9 out of 10 doctors smoke ____ Brand cigarettes!" from the 1950s and 60s.

      I'm very supportive of a free market, but that requires informed consumers. And education is inherently inefficient (see, e.g., pontificating about abusing joinder in the context of diversity jurisdiction), so it doesn't deserve the defenses that most snake oil salesmen deserve. But the legal education industrial complex (as evidenced by NALP's deceptive "86.7% employed" claim) has sought to obfuscate this transparency. Still, recognizing that TTTTs are able to draw matriculants, the Complex's efforts must be effective to some degree.

      That's the problem. That's why I (as a free market capitalist) believe that the assumption of $160K in non-dischargable debt should have a more up-front warning of its consequences than a pack of cigarettes has.

  7. Lol skool is a fucking joke. You go now, fuck you. I don't wanna hear any of these dumb assholes complain that they can't get a job in a few years. Got it?

    1. No doubt. It will be "someone else's fault" as to why they couldn't get in, not the fact that they tried to beat the odds after all the warnings of thousands of law grads to the contrary.

      I blame our culture. Just like very few players make the NFL draft, very few students have lucrative law school careers. But no one thinks they are going to fail; it's always the "other guy".

  8. I went to a Second Tier Toilet 25 years ago and could not secure legal employment. Same old, same old, not in top 10% of class, no big law prospects. Not in top 25%, forget about it unless you are related to someone running a small boutique firm. I was just naïve, but had no source of accurate information as no one in my family practiced law, and the pre law advisor at my National Liberal Arts (as defined by US New$) School had not even attended law $chool. (I believe she had a degree in “counseling”). Bottom line in confronting the scam is to make sure that the pre-law advisors stop being shills for this filthy industry. One would think that the undergraduate schools would have an incentive to make sure that their gradates were successful in order to support heir alma mater financially. A good shot at being successful requires attendance at a T-7 law $chool. (Otherwise do something else). The pre-law advisors need to be honest about this.

  9. Take a look at this garbage publication from NALP. This 16 page PDF is entitled “The Courts: An Excellent Place for Attorneys of Color to Launch Their Careers.” On the bottom of page 16, it shows a publication date of 2007. It is still on their website, which means that they continue to view it as sound advice. Try not to throw up when you peruse the following:

    "Law students and recent law school graduates of color find service as judicial externs or as judicial law clerks tremendously rewarding and beneficial. Both positions provide an individual with rigorous training in legal analysis, research, and writing. The positions also offer an intimate opportunity to observe and understand judicial processes and to assist in making those processes most effective. Judicial externships are available during the school year and in the summer; judicial law clerkships are available as post-graduate positions usually lasting for one or two years. Some judicial law clerkships are longer term permanent positions (sometimes referred to as “career clerkships” or “staff attorney positions”). While the judicial law clerk position lasts longer and involves more responsibility than the student extern position, both of these public service positions can yield close and rewarding relationships with judges, as well as strong starts to a new lawyer’s professional development.

    Although there are opportunities for students and graduates in courts at every level and in every state,relatively few students of color pursue judicial externships or judicial clerkships.Too often, students erroneously assume that their grades or other qualifications will prevent them from securing a valuable externship or clerkship. While it is undoubtedly true that many externships and clerkships require excellent law school grades and/or law journal participation, this brochure provides information to help students explore the range of externships and clerkships available and identify suitable positions. NALP and the American Bar Association Judicial Division strongly encourage students of color to keep reading and to consider the many opportunities available in the courts."

    In the real world, legal employers and law firms view local court law clerk internships as foolish. You don’t do much, other than you might see an occasional shouting match or a small fight in court. Perhaps, you will see some broke-ass defendant call the “judge” as bitch, in open court – and that’s if you’re lucky. Typically, you will see broke-ass defense lawyers scramble from hearing to court appearances. Many of these men and women sport $6 haircuts, crappy attire, and cheap shoes. It’s pathetic, really. They nearly always appear stressed to the max.

    Reviewing case files or printing and stapling documents for the pig “judge” is not truly “honing” any supposed “skills” that you have not acquired in law school. Yes, for $ome rea$on, sitting on your ass for 10-12 hours a day, or longer – reading archaic cases, reviewing commercial outlines, going over flash cards, and typing up and editing your outlines – does not prepare one to practice law. Yet, the greedy pieces of trash known as “law professors” are ENTITLED to make $160K per year. It’s funny how that works out, huh?!?!

    Lastly, working in traffic court – after graduation – from a TTT or TTTT is NOT GOING TO IMPROVE YOUR EMPLOYMENT PROSPECTS. Law firms will see you as a loser, for having to push for and accept such a position. Even toiletlaw boutiques don’t want your ass, since you haven’t really learned anything substantive. Hauling around other people’s legal documents doesn’t constitute real work, and it does not improve your “skills.” Non-law employers might see that line on your resume as further proof that you are wasting their time, and that you will leave them the moment a “good-paying” legal job is available. Why do YOU want to take out an additional $134,870.12 for the “privilege,” moron?!?!

    1. Law clerkships only last for a year. That's not a fucking career. That's a cup o' coffee. And it's not like you're making any fucking connections. You're just the guy (or gal) doing low low low level shit work. Like 11:37 said this field has a short shelf life. A lot of people do burn out. But it's because they realize working 90 hour works for 160K is about 35 bucks an hour (and that's the lucky few getting biglaw). There's plenty of jobs paying that well that don't require you to get ulcers at age 35. Fuck the piece of shit legal profession.

    2. Law lemmings just go cause they have nothing else better to do with their bachelor degree, and the prestige of "i go to law school, i'm a lawyer." when asked by family and friends what they do. They'll realize it at the end when the loans hit them and job prospects of the worth of a law degree.


    Check out the NALP bulletin, from January 2015, which was labeled "Salary Trends for New Law Graduates - 1985-2013." How many law school applicants even bother to read these sources?

    "NALP's bimodal salary curve has clearly illustrated the earnings gap between law graduates who take a job in a large law firm and graduates who take a job in just about any other sector or in small firms. (See As has also been documented, salaries have not always had this distribution (see, for example,, nor was the gap between salaries in private practice as a whole and salaries in other sectors as large.

    As shown in Table 1 and Figure 1, median salaries have approximately doubled since 1985 across all sectors except private practice, where the overall median has tripled. At the same time, however, prices, as measured by the CPI-U, have also gone up, more than doubling over the same time period. The net result is that salaries for full-time jobs in every sector but private practice have essentially remained flat for almost 30 years when inflation is factored in (see Table 2 and Figure 2). Salary medians nudged up somewhat from about 2000 to 2007, only to fall back again starting in 2008 or 2009, depending on sector. Only private practice has seen real growth of almost 40% since the mid-1980s. At the height of large firm hiring in 2008 and 2009, real growth was about double.

    So, not only do salaries fall into two quite distinct segments or humps, it is also evident that, on average, many salaries in the left-hand hump offer no more purchasing power than they did in 1985."

    Do you understand that, Lemming?!?! If you do not end up making $160K annually as a Biglaw associate, then you will almost certainly end up in the $35K-$55K range. Try paying off $120K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt on that salary, bitch. By the way, the Consumer Price Index is poor measurement tool, as many staples – such as gas – have well more than doubled or tripled over the time period of 1985-2013.

    In the last analysis, if you feel that earning a TTTT law degree from a dung heap such as Touro or TTTThoma$ Jeffer$on Sewer of Law is worth taking on incredible amounts of student debt, then you need to be have a payee and guardian assigned to you. If you cannot figure out that, at best, your job prospects consist of doc review and toiletlaw making $40K per year, then you are too damn dumb to make any significant financial decisions. Sadly, many more waterheads will continue to attend these cesspools.

    1. Many graduates would be happy to get a job in the $35k–$55k range. Many struggle to get a job pouring coffee or operating a cash register.

    2. I HAVE a job in that range... it has nothing at all to do with law, though. Factory work. Thanks to having a job that is not FSLA-exempt, I get overtime for working more than 40 hours a week, and with my 16/hr base and average 50 hours a week, I'm grossing about 45k a year. I was stuck in a 35K a year debt collection mill firm with no benefits prior to that, so law school was a major, grade A bust for me.

    3. Yeah it's like people never see all the "NO JDs! and NO ATTORNEYS!!!" job postings out there. JDDisadvantage used to highlight those but I think he got bored, and he certainly made his point many times over.

      About the only way out is a really good connection/cronyism and/or having to start your own business. But if you were going to start your own business with zero job experience, you might as well have skipped all of the debt and wasted years of higher education and just done it. You get higher education to get a stable job, if you can't get a stable job it is an awful decision to make.

      Does doc review even exist anymore? I did a quick look through craigslist and I see virtually nothing. I'm pretty sure doc review died.



  12. A glimmer of hope:

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