Thursday, October 1, 2015

Cleveland Steamer: Huge Enrollment Drops at Northeast Ohio ABA-Accredited Toilets


http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20150927/NEWS/150929857/enrollment-is-falling-at-northeast-ohio-law-schools

Beautiful News: On September 27, 2015, Crain’s Cleveland Business featured a Jeremy Nobile article entitled “Enrollment is falling at Northeast Ohio law schools.” Check out this wonderful opening:

“Northeast Ohio’s law schools continue to see enrollments dwindle compared with the levels seen just a few years ago, but school officials and industry experts are hopeful the trend may soon turn around. 

The consensus is the overall situation, here and nationwide, is worrisome, but not dire — yet. 

Data from the University of Akron School of Law, Cleveland-Marshall College of Law and Case Western Reserve University School of Law show that enrollments at those schools are down 3% to 6% from last year. 

More striking, though, are the decreases over the last several years. 

Since 2010, total enrollment has dropped about 36% and 39% at Case Western Reserve and Cleveland-Marshall, respectively, and 16% at Akron.” [Emphasis mine]

Yes, the “legal scholar” cockroaches are hopeful that this trend will come to an end. In fact, the pieces of trash will continue to decrease their pathetic-ass admi$$ion$ “standards” further – in order to help reach that goal.  Later on, the author continues:

“Craig Boise, dean of the Cleveland-Marshall College of Law, said, “We’re hoping to see if this is bottoming out. But my view of this is we’re going to be in a holding pattern for a while. We’re going to have to get used to having smaller classes.” 

In an emailed statement, Case Western Reserve deans Jessica Berg and Michael Scharf added, “We already were considering a smaller class size, in part because of the highly experiential nature of the new curriculum we were developing required hands-on learning.”

Smaller class sizes compared with years past is, expectedly, common today. It’s a change some believe is here to stay, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing.

“We’ve been able to have more sections of courses with smaller class sizes,” Boise said. “It’s one of the positive sides of what’s pretty universally viewed as a bleak situation.”

While both Cleveland law schools saw first-year enrollments drop this year, the Akron law school reported growth of more than 20% in new students in the J.D. program. 

Dean Matthew Wilson believes that’s not an anomaly, adding he expects that needle to remain in the black going forward. It’s worth noting that softened admissions standards can help get more students in the door, and Akron’s is the lowest of schools here by a slim margin.” [Emphasis mine]

It’s funny to hear academic rats claim that they were already planning to have smaller class sizes. Yeah, sure you were, bitches – in the same way that fat slobs and losers “choose” to not ask out the prettiest women at their school or job. By the way, notice how the swine don’t even allude to the bleak employment prospects facing their students and graduates.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+6

Ranking of the Commodes: As you can see, Cleveland State University is rated as the 127th greatest, most sensational and tremendous law school in the entire damn country, according to US “News” & World Report. In fact, it shares this prestigious honor with the Univer$iTTTy of Akron Sewer of Law and several other turds. Ca$e We$TTern Re$erve Univer$iTTy is even more elite – as the 59th “best” law school in the United States! What a remarkable institution of “higher learning,” huh?!?! How many future Supremes will this toilet produce?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+2

Average Law Student Indebtedness for the Three Trash Pits: US “News” lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the JD Class of 2014 who incurred debt for law school. Hell, they even provide this in a ranking format. For some reason, the waterheads still applying to law school don’t simultaneously hyperventilate and cream their pants over these listings. The figures below, including percentage of the class taking on such toxic debt, pertain to the dung piles profiled in the Crain’s piece cited above. The percent of each Remember that these numbers do not include undergraduate debt, and they do not take accrued interest into account – while the student is enrolled.

Case Western Reserve University: $131,724; 73 percent
Cleveland-Marshall: $89,879; 90 percent
Akron: $82,322; 81 percent

Yes, those are really great numbers for the student, right?!?! Now, imagine trying to repay those amounts – and provide for your own food, rent, insurance, automobile, etc. – while your ass is stuck making $35K-$45K per year. Still want to sign on the dotted line, mental midget?!  If you are intent on pissing away large sums of money, then pay me $10,000 to kick you in the nutsack. At least then, the pain will only be temporary – and your future will not be ruined.

Conclusion: These three schools are garbage institutions, which provide their students and graduates with weak-ass, putrid job prospects. Do you believe that YOU will be served well by incurring an additional $100K+ in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a JD from any of these stench pits?!?! If so, what is your basis for that confidence? Do yourself a favor and talk to recent law grads from these cesspools. In stark contrast to “law professors” and administrators, these men and women don’t have a $elf-intere$t in seeing any moron enroll in the school.

29 comments:

  1. Case Western Reserve

    You're just kidding around, right? That's not a school, that's a brand of artisanal moonshine.

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    1. Isn't that a mouthwash?

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    2. Sounds like a failing bank to me.

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    3. The strange name refers to a little-known bit of history. Connecticut used to extend all the way to the Pacific Ocean. Towards the end of the eighteenth century, it gave up most of the land beyond Pennsylvania but retained a big chunk around Cleveland as the "Western Reserve". Before long it sold that bit off, too.

      Maybe Case Western, taking advantage of this historical link to Connecticut, should bill itself as the Yale of the Midwest.

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    4. Could that be true Old Guy? Connecticut already has UCONN and Quinnipiac (dog shit and flaming dog shit, respectively). Could we be the proud owners of ANOTHER toilet? Be still my heart.

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    5. Oh, you're in for a better surprise than that: the Nutmeg State can also claim Indiana Tech!

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    6. I nearly died with pride.

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  2. When you're a TTT grad moonshine and mouthwash are the same fucking thing.

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    1. They are the exact same thing: unaffordable. At their income levels, TTT grads will be stuck drinking fermented hobo piss.

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  3. Fun Times In Cleveland Video:

    "Our Main Export is Crippling Depression" LOL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&feature=player_embedded

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  4. Fun Times In Cleveland

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM&feature=player_embedded

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  5. Cleveland Part II,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysmLA5TqbIY

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  6. Nobody should be attending law school. I will tell you how it really is as 25 year solo. My income is classified as lower middle class. No matter hard I network, work or get my name out there, it is the same. Everybody "has their guy Meaning a lawyer. I am ashamed, now, because my family now receives public assistance. In 1990, I didn't foresee how grossly oversaturated my profession would become. This is complete crap what these academics are pitching. They have no idea what it means to practice.

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    1. No need to be ashamed.

      In the 1980's, my town suffered a huge economic downturn due to the crash of the savings and loan industry and several crushing strikes at the town's largest employer.

      Many folks came to me to file bankruptcy. They too said that they were ashamed.

      I explained that their predicament was the result of clashes among titans, not their personal efforts.

      Virtually everyone of them had paid on their mortgage until they were out of funds. They didn't cut and run with cash-they exhausted their resources trying to make it work.

      There is no shame in that. There is Honor.

      You did not only your best, but what you were encouraged to do. The failure of others to have honor is no reflection on you.

      I am sorry for your troubles, but you are a person of Honor. Give yourself a boost and let those who misled you bear the moral burden of your situation.

      I graduated from a Land Grant University law school nearly 40 years ago at the top 25% of my class. It took me 2/5 years to find a legal job at a small firm at a simple salary and NO benefits.

      Classify me as a loser.

      The first year I was there, I brought in to the firm the second highest amount of cash, more than 3 of the 4 partners. I billed $45 per hour on remnant work-unclosed files that needed to be wrapped up-junk. The senior partner was billing $95 per hour, and the other 2 were billing $75 per hour.

      I was the second highest fee producer in the firm my first year. I had no clients of my own.

      They offered to make me partner after 1.5 years. I declined as I did not want to sign on to the firm's financial obligations- a lease on 8 offices and such. I left the firm not long after, and over the next 2 years of office sharing, I went solo.

      I have written many times on this site.

      I have managed to make a decent living, but less than many stem folks. They are about double my income, considering their benefits.

      It has been challenging, I have survived financially. I have too big a house and want to sell it, BUT, there are probably 1 in 1,000 or more who are willing to work as hard as it took me to make a living.

      I have been practicing 38 years or so. I figure I have worked about 58 years of 2,000 hours per work year in 38 years. I have had 28 weeks vacation work in those 38 years. ALL unpaid.

      Welcome to making a living as a solo in small law.

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  7. Oh, by the way, it's not about "experiential" learning its about jobs and work. If there was work, lawyers would get hired regardless of any new fangled curricula. You learn on the job. It is a WORK issue, not a skills issue. What don't these Deans get?

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  8. I taught Civil Procedure for 20 years before retiring. If you guys can't get lawyer jobs that's on you. We've given you the tools to succeed. If you don't use the tools of the trade we've given you, tough.

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    1. Like I said, you have never seen the inside of a courtroom and never practiced facing a client who refuses to give you three bills on a misdemeanor. Why because one of the other thousands and thousands of desperate lawyers with the "tools" will do it for half.

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    2. That dog won't hunt.

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    3. > If you guys can't get lawyer jobs that's on you. We've given you the tools to succeed.

      Yeah, it's like any other segment of the job market. If you train 50,000 people per year to do Bronze Age pottery, then there WILL be enough consumer demand to create and sustain jobs for 50,000 new potters to enter the market every year. Anyone who can't get a job as a Bronze Age potter after receiving training is just refusing all of that work.

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    4. Troll, and a particularly pathetic one at that. To brag out "teaching" that most mind-numbing of law school courses-Civil Procedure!-reflects how vacuous this troll is.
      But also notice not one word about, you know, the actual practice of law. I'll be this troll couldn't litigate a parking ticket.

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  9. In Ohio, Cleveland is known as the Mistake on the Lake.

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    1. But it's been years since the Cuyahoga River caught on fire and burned down a bridge. Give Cleveland another chance.

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    2. All right, I'll give Cleveland another chance. The name "Mistake on the Lake" should apply instead to Case Western Reserve.

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  10. http://jdunderground.com/all/thread.php?threadId=95913

    On September 29, 2015, JDU accountholder “massivemissive” started a thread labeled “Enrollment Plummets at Northeast Ohio Law Schools: Akron (-16%), Case (-36%), Cleveland (-39%).” Here is the original post:

    “massivemissive (Sep 29, 2015 - 8:28 am)

    http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2015/09/enrollment-plummets-at-northeast-ohio-law-schools-akron-16-case-36-cleveland-39-since-2010.html

    Not dire yet?”

    Scroll down to see the following comments:

    “napoleone (Sep 29, 2015 - 9:40 pm)

    there are nine law schools in Ohio. in addition, chase law school used to be in Cincinnati and even though it has moved its campus across the river to Northern Kentucky it primarily feeds into the Cincinnati market. so there are effectively to law schools in Cincinnati, one law school in Dayton to law schools and Columbus to law schools in Cleveland one law school in Akron one law school in Toledo, and one law school in Ada Ohio[.]

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    flyer14 (Sep 29, 2015 - 11:23 pm)

    I wonder how many UD law grads wound up as Contract Specialists at WPAFB and never practiced law a day in their lives (hint: four including myself from the class of 2014)[.]”

    Who the hell wouldn’t want to go into CRUSHING levels of student debt for a chance to go into toiletlaw or doc review?!?! Sadly, mentally deficient college graduates will delude themselves into believing that they can enroll in an ABA-accredited dung pile, and come out making good money.

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    1. Ohio has nine law schools (not counting Northern Kentucky, which is in the greater Cincinnati area) but not a single good one. All law schools in Ohio are fourth-tier toilets.

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    2. Your blog is my free Therapy. As a 25 year attorney I can't believe how spot on you are. One law Academic I know pitched law school to a young female with below average under grad grades as a "good place to meet a husband." He did that at a dinner he hosted at his home.

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  11. http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2015/09/enrollment-plummets-at-northeast-ohio-law-schools-akron-16-case-36-cleveland-39-since-2010.html

    On September 29, 2015, Paul Caron covered this development in a TaxProf blog entry that was entitled “Enrollment Plummets at Northeast Ohio Law Schools: Akron (-16%), Case (-36%), Cleveland (-39%).” He did not provide any analysis on the issue. However, there are several great comments.

    On September 29, 2015 at 5:56:33 am, reader “Jojo” furnished these remarks:

    “The enhanced disclosure of employment outcomes has brought transparency to law schools. We will see enrollment correct to levels where you might actually be able to make a $65,000 per year living, consistently as a practicing attorney.”

    Someone using handle “Anon” posted the following, on September 29, 2015 6:45:03 am:

    “And in other news, water remains wet.”

    Another “anon” commenter, on September 29, 2015 at 7:28:31 am, provided this message:

    If there is simply accurate employment data provided -- that is, salary figures at less than half of what law schools have long fraudulently presented to potential applicants ($50k/year instead of a fraudulent $110k/year) -- the market will correct, the student debt problem will be mitigated, etc. The tide seems to have turned as the Internet has exposed the fraudulent employment statistics.

    Law schools have been forced to be more transparent, but the pigs continue to shade the truth. However, this has impacted their enrollments. Scambloggers, mainstream news sources, and even a few decent human beings who happen to teach law have drilled the cockroaches. This has resulted in fewer smart college grads entering ABA-accredited toilets.

    Morons continue to apply and attend these sewage pits. But these are the same types of cretins who would attend law school with full information. Forget these idiots. When they end up owing $250K in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a garbage TTT law degree, these bums might figure out then that they were ass-raped.

    Courtesy of “JM” – which was posted on September 29, 2015 at 8:28:36 am:

    “Ohio needs at most two law schools. OU and maybe Cincinnati.”

    From Jojo, on September 29, 2015 10:38:22 am:

    “JM,

    Point well taken. The plummeting enrollment, still means that there are 375 One Ls in North East Ohio. Add in Toledo, OSU, Dayton, Cincinnati, Capital, and the one or two other law schools that I'm overlooking, and there is no dearth of inexperienced newbie lawyers in Ohio.

    Rather than ask, "how many were we producing in the good times" like some sort of Central Planning assembly line, it's time this profession asked, "how many students should we be producing to serve the public and also to serve the students?" That inquiry, however, means fewer butts in seats and is not good for the student loan rent-seeking game.”

    This comment gets to the heart of the matter. Simply put, the law school swine never mention – or even consider – how many JDs should be produced to serve the public, because they DO NOT GIVE ONE DAMN about potential legal clients, the general population or the “profession.” These pieces of trash/academic thieves only care about one thing: getting asses in seats, in order to keep the scam operating for as long as possible.

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  12. Some articles and sources are starting to predict that next year will see an increase in applications and enrollments to many law schools. What do you think of that?

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  13. the real thing that schools avoid teaching and discussing are negotiable instruments. learning about negotiable instruments can change your situation. there is no money in circulation only negotiable instruments. look at the top of a dollar it reads reserve note, it is a promissory note a form of negotiable instrument. checks and money orders are negotiable instruments as well. banks lenders savvy corporations debt collectors use negotiable instruments to pad their bankroll. why don't you use negotiable instruments to pad your bankroll? learn this and change your situation. the corporations legally use them to enhance the coffers with your personal information and your money. ask them, they will get real quiet on the phone and ignore your letter until the threat of litigation makes them cut a deal to keep you quiet. hush money maybe your money definitely

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