Tuesday, October 6, 2015

Explosive Growth in U.S. Lawyer Population Far Outpaces General Population This Past Decade


http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/09/28/texas-sees-boom-in-lawyer-population/

Oversaturated Legal Market Became Even More Glutted: On September 28, 2015, the Wall Street Journal Law Blog featured a Jacob Gershman entry labeled “Texas Sees Boom in Lawyer Population.” Take a look at this opening:

“The number of attorneys in Texas grew by nearly 20,000 over the last decade, outpacing growth in the state’s general population, according to a report by the State Bar of Texas. 

Between 2004 and 2014, Texas’s active attorney population grew by 28%, from 67,764 to 86,494. The number of Texans increased by 20% in that time.

There were 20,378 attorneys in the Dallas-Forth Worth area in 2004. In 2014, the number was 26,364, a jump of 29%. In the Midland metropolitan area in western Texas, the attorney population nearly doubled. 

The state bar estimates there’s now one Texas attorney for every 312 Texans. In Dallas County the ratio is one attorney per 157 people.

“It’s much more competitive in Dallas than it has ever been in the 42 years I’ve been here,” criminal defense attorney Bill Knox told the Dallas Morning News, which wrote about the lawyer boom.” [Emphasis mine]

Do you still like your odds, lemmings?!?! One lawyer for every 157 people, i.e. 1:157, in Dallas County. This includes infants, toddlers and children. The number of kids who will require the services of a legal practitioner is miniscule. Child actors, underage Olympic athletes, and 16 year old baseball free agents from the Dominican Republic do not comprise a large segment of society.

Furthermore, MANY adults will never need legal representation. Those who do will typically use a lawyer once or twice, in their lifetimes. Pretty much every single damn contract is boilerplate, and consumers, renters and employees do not have the option of negotiating better terms. 

http://www.abajournal.com/mobile/article/which_states_had_the_greatest_spikes_in_lawyer_population

Other Coverage: On September 29, 2015, the ABA Journal published a Debra Cassens Weiss piece, which was entitled “Which states had the greatest growth in lawyer population?” Here is the entire text:

“Is Texas’ 28 percent growth in lawyer population over the last decade all that unusual? 

Stories in the Wall Street Journal Law Blog and the Dallas Morning News reported on the number, which represents the growth in the active lawyer population from 2004 to 2014. That compares to a 20 percent increase in the state’s general population over the same time period. 

But ABA figures (PDF) show the state’s growth in lawyer population is outpaced by 10 other states. Overall, lawyer population grew 17.7 percent in the last decade.

The ABA chart generally measures the population of both active and resident lawyers as of Dec. 31, 2014. It shows the 10-year growth in Texas lawyer population was 24.6 percent, below that of Florida (53.3 percent), Utah (46.1 percent), North Carolina (33.7 percent), Arizona (30.6 percent), North Dakota (27.9 percent), Tennessee (27.8 percent), Wyoming (27.6 percent), Pennsylvania (27.4 percent, though a shift in the reporting agency yielded more accurate numbers), Georgia (25.7 percent), and Delaware ( 25.4 percent).

In some states, the percentage growth appears large, but the actual number of lawyers in the state is small. There were 2,921 lawyers in Delaware at the close of 2014; 1,665 lawyers in North Dakota; 8,413 in Utah; and 1,778 in Wyoming.

Statistics at the Law School Tuition Bubble look at the number of active and resident lawyers at the beginning of 2014, compared to the state’s population. Topping the list is Washington, D.C., which has 788.1 lawyers per 10,000 residents, followed by New York (86 per 10,000) and Massachusetts (65.6 per 10,000).” [Emphasis mine]

Anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see that this gutter “profession” is GLUTTED. Do you still want to sign on the dotted line, Dumbass?!?! By the way, I love how the author tries to mitigate the message by noting that some of the states which experienced HUGE INCREASES in the number of licensed attorneys also feature smaller overall populations. The fact remains that people seeking to enter the field in those states will find it much more difficult to accomplish that goal. For $ome rea$on, the “educators” gloss over this situation. Then again, they don’t give a damn about their students and recent grads.

Conclusion: The law school pigs have produced FAR TOO MANY graduates – each year – for several decades. This has directly resulted in a GLUT of lawyers. Keep in mind that these figures include desperate-ass solo practitioners and broke bastards who are making weak salaries. It also takes those who have passed the bar but never represented a paying client into account. I have seen licensed attorneys take on entire cases – from beginning to final disposition – for the princely sum of $400. 

If you ignore these facts and enroll in law school, then you have no one to blame but yourself when you end up owing $189,657.83 in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a worthless TTTT degree. No one will bail you out either, mental midget. You do not represent large business/corporate interests or important trade associations. To the cockroaches in Congre$$, you are merely a member of an expendable class of young people. You are on your own, idiots.

41 comments:

  1. The Texas boom is largely due to the need for oil and gas attorneys from 04 to 14. That was probably the only area a TTT grad had a chance at a high income.

    Now, with saudi Arabia and Russia pumping oil at record levels and a 60 percent drop in rig count in the us, oil is no longer an option as a career. Oil and gas lawyers have few marketable skills outside the industry as well.

    What kind of odds does a new lemming have against an army of unemployed and underemployed lawyers who have been working the last ten years?

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  2. And Texas/North Dakota Lemmings, the oilfield boom is OVER for the moment. Don't count on being able to pull down good money by getting a job as a roughneck. Those job numbers are uglier than Donald Trump's hairdo.

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    1. Just a few years ago, people at Inside the Law School Scam were constantly telling us that we could make $100k or more per year by driving a truck in North Dakota.

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    2. At the time it was a good idea and those jobs existed. It was suggested to a few law students from New York to do that to pay back their student loans rather than continue to complain and do nothing.

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  3. Time to reset expectations guys, the big law days are long gone. Get into the cheapest law school... FAMU, etc, then dive into legal work that helps people -- criminal law. ( I know... legal jobs that help the little guy does not pay as much as big law).

    Do a stint as a Certified Legal Intern, then transition to either the PD or Prosecutors office. Learn the ropes, then go private.

    The current going rate for misdemeanors is $1500 retainer / $2500 for Felonies. You get to charge a steep billable hourly rate. Worst case you take over flow cases from the PD's office (at a cheaper hourly rate but still doable).

    Solid advice: - solid as a rock :)

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    1. No way. You are living in la la land. It doesn't work like that. You will be lucky to get three bills per court date from a client who has price shopped and talked to five guys before you and then want a GUARANTEED result. The PDs who are unionized, are not going to give up work. Its like selling F-150s. Less production, less sales, less numbers equals less JOBS. To PD's it is all about JOBS, whether they admit it or not. They realize that the private sector is in a DEPRESSION and that we have no work.

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    2. Somebody has to stop this shit, seriously.

      The white collar educated private sector business man and worker is becoming a minority upon whom more and more can be demanded. It's perfectly politically correct to keep demanding more and more from this demographic, for less and less.

      I should bust my ass and do criminal work for peanuts? And be thankful? Why? If I could do it all over again I would drop out of high school and work for a big city doing menial work, and then assholes like you wouldn't be able to tell me to buck up and work for peanuts. I would be RETIRED NOW, collecting 100k plus a year for life.

      You go work for peanuts. You make less than a NYC janitor, and you be hAppy "helping people." Stop telling naive kids to throw their lives away for nothing. Stop it.

      We need to start providing alternatives to law; and stop allowing people like this demanding more and more sacrifice from people who are educated and indebted. How much are we supposed to sacrifice? How much? All the high school drop outs I know are working for my local municipal government and they make six figures salaries, and are planning to retire IN THEIR FORTIES!!!!!!!! NO ONE TELLS THEM THEY SHOULD WORK FOR PEANUTS TO HELP THE POOR, and I fucking dare you to try. I dare you to tell a NYC garbage man that he should sacrifice for the poor, that he shouldn't get 100k for life at 45, that the tax payer deserves a break, etc. you'll be assaulted, verbally and possible physically.

      Drop out. If you want a middle class life, and you can't go to an elite college, you go to a big city and you do your absolute best to get a city job. If you can't get a city job, go get any job you can get and work your way up.

      Stop the madness. Stop going to school. I'm seeing insAnity before me.

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    3. @5:35

      You are exaggerating public sector salaries. I agree that certain police, fire, and federal jobs are amazing in terms of pay and security.

      But the example of a high school drop out succeeding ahead of college graduates is a very new phenomenon ... It won't last. Those high paying municipal jobs aren't a secret anymore.

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    4. I'm not exaggerating anything. The municipal employees of most major cities in the United States are doing spectacularly well, and it isn't going to end because their salaries aren't based on the global economy or supply and demand. They vote and politicians give them stuff. That's the way to go.

      If you are an engineer or accountant and your salary drops because of globalism, you shut your mouth and pay your taxes. If you are a lawyer who is getting murdered because too many people are going to law school because there are no jobs forLiberal arts grads, shut your mouth and pay your taxes. If you are a primary care doctor with a few hundred k in student loans, and you have to compete with nurse practitioners and foreign doctors for work, taking ever less home after loan payments, shut your mouth and pay taxes. Have a PHD in stem? Sanjeev is here on an HB1 program to take it away. Shut your mouth, don't whine, and compete for 40k a year.

      Drop out of high school at 16, get a GED, do two years at the local community college, and pass a test designed for people with sub-100 IQs? Get fucking paid, never get a pay cut, always demand and always get.

      And then you got this clown telling kids to go to a cheap law school so they can do criminal work and help people, lolol. No thanks. If a kid can get into law school, then he or she can get a municipal job somewhere, and ride the gravy train to victory.

      The problem is that kids are brainwashed. It is inconceivable to them that a garbage man makes more than a guy doing criminal law, but it's the absolute truth. Hollywood reenforces this bullshit too. Ie every cop movie portrays cops as paupers and lawyers as millionaires, which is total bullshit.

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    5. Stop right there scumbag.

      First off, FAMU isn't cheap. Secondly, their bar pass rate was something south of 50 percent, last time I checked.

      Third, I actually did represent private clients in criminal defense (in FL no less, with retainers similar to what you quote, but slightly higher) for quite a few years and surprise, this area is totally glutted these days. The problem is that no matter how good you are, almost no one getting busted for felonies has the money to hire you no matter how awesome you are. Pretty much everyone gets the public defender/conflict counsel these days. The vast majority of judges don't investigate whether people are really eligible for the public defender so pretty much unless you're an NFL player or Donald Trump or something, you're getting a free lawyer from the taxpayer these days. If I can't succeed with years of trial experience and everyone in county lockup singing my praises, I don't see how some certified legal intern will succeed due to their fantastic connections. It's not that there is all this profitable work that you need the right connections or training or experience to get- there's simply no profit to be chased. Not by the lemmings, not by the 20 year practitioners, not by anyone. It's a fucking wasteland.

      And yes, I left a few years back. Haven't been in a courtroom in nearly 3 years. I'm doing non-law, non-JD-advantage work and it is the best money I've made in over a decade. Seriously, don't go, even for a free ride. It's not worth it these days.

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    6. Sorry to say 8:27, who has posted the same thing twice, is just wrong. This business of transitioning-it just doesn't happen. I worked at a DA's office; we had 9 third year law clerks-all good people. All took the bar and passed. Exactly three were offered jobs. The rest scrambled; I've run into three of them and over a year later they're still looking for work. Not sure what happened to the other three. And these were hard-working kids; all were well-versed in criminal law as prosecutors-but just 33% were kept on.
      The entire legal market, from top to bottom, is glutted. And the going rate for misdemeanors is maybe $1500 for the whole show-from first appearance through trial; $2500 for everything for felonies and NO additonal "steep" billings-that's the total package price. What you keep posting just isn't true.

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    7. If you compare apples to apples, the best municipal jobs pay more than big law, without even factoring in pension.

      For instance: http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/top-pay-for-suffolk-detectives-in-2018-227-000-1.7093344

      Suffolk county detectives will now top out at 227k based on their new contract.

      I work with plenty of ex big law, top tier law grads (some went to Harvard), and no one is pulling in that coin. Moreover, most of the people I work with have not received a raise in years. We receive the economy as an excuse, but the public sector guys are rolling in 4 percent plus a year.

      And there won't be any bankruptcies. The Feds will bail out any county in trouble and the county will just keep increasing taxes on idiots who are in private sector to pay for this stuff.

      And I'm also throwing this out there for completeness because I know some troll schill will attempt to say these jobs are dangerous: there have been 22 casualties in the history of this police department (over 50 years), and the majority of them are heart attacks and car accidents.

      This is one job in one county, but if big law is the goal, the odds of getting this job are better than getting and keeping big law; and it is better than big law in every way. (It's a tough job to get, but again, comparing apples to apples).

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    8. Once again, the idea that "if only if I skip (or had skipped) college and eschewed white collar work and went straight into blue collar work instead, I'd be rolling in it right now"...

      I'll try to keep this brief: I totally agree that society has ruined a lot of people and entire generations with ideas and propaganda like "college is a must" and "white collar good, blue collar bad" and crap like that, but to be honest, every time I see rants like this, it just comes off as "the grass is greener on the other side" fantasizing. And as for all these blue collar workers and civil servants making beaucoup bucks, these people seem like unicorns and other mythical beasts to me, because I keep hearing about them but I never actually see them.

      Besides, you don't think even blue collar workers and civil servants can get screwed over by the system? Just ask a lot of those who worked for the city of Detroit...
      http://www.fakenation.info/please/pity-the-detroit-boomer

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    9. Study came out today that found government employees make 78% more than their private sector counterparts when counting benefits. And I bet that is underestimating the pensions, healthcare, work hours, vacation days etc if anything.

      People say it's unsustainable, but it's been going on for a long time and only now are they even willing to admit it happens. Public sector employees have been insisting that they are underpaid for as long as I can remember.

      Even while the economy implodes around them and everyone else is forced to take paycuts or faces bouts of unemployment, the public sector keeps trucking along. Remember the furlough? That became a bonus for them, they got paid UI and then got backpay for not even working. A free vacation.

      Obviously these jobs are difficult to get. A certain class of people gets these jobs, and it has nothing to do with intelligence but far more to do with your political connections. We are now a third world country, where the elites fill the government and live off of whatever the peasants can scrape together, while most normal people are stuck in poverty with no way out.

      At the very least, serfs were smart enough not to go into massive debt on top of being serfs. There's no way out really, people will soon realize the truth that you are born into whatever your station is in life, and anybody telling you otherwise is full of shit. They just want you to kiss their asses while they mock you for living off YOUR hard work.

      Unfortunately most people are stupid enough to support the system. OWS was an attempt to peacefully walk back some of the oligarchy, but the peons refused to support it, so here we are. OWS wasn't going to work anyway, you need a guillotine not a picket sign to make change.

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    10. @229,

      Most people I know in the big city jobs got the jobs on their own. There are exceptions, but it's very often based on merit (the test, background check and not being overqualified).

      Most people don't do these jobs because they feel it's beneath them, when in reality, they would hit the lotto to get a job like that.

      Someone who can get a 155 on the LSAT, graduate college with a 3.3 or higher, and have a clean criminal record can get these jobs no problem. You just have to take as many tests as possible and treat it as seriously as pursuing a higher degree.

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  4. I BS'd my way through 3 years of legal practice before being laid off. Went into factory work by walking into a temp agency and signing up for a job that I could easily have done straight out of high school. Two years later, I'm making more money than I did as a "lawyer" and I have real benefits, like a matched 401k and Dental/Vision. Law school is a scam. It is nothing but a scam. They want paychecks for doing nothing, and they need you to take on debt to fund it all. DON'T DO IT!

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  5. The US legal profession is shittier than shit. That is all.

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  6. As a 25 year solo veteran of Illinois, home to only 91,000 registered attorneys, I can say truthfully, because I am not a law dean, that you are spot on. I have hardly any work. It basically dried up.. What does a 50 something guy do with 150K still outstanding in student loan debt? Retool? To what? Drive a truck? Go on Shark Tank to pitch shit? Start a cup cake business? I thought I had a good profession, a skill. This is all I think about, lack of work, money, my family's new foray into public assistance.

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    1. I'm not quite 50, but I was looking into driving a truck before I found work as a lawyer.

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  7. Put another way, chances are really good that your first law job (after fruitlessly searching for almost a year) will offer NO job security whatsoever, NO benefits, NO overtime, and NO dignity at all. You'll learn the difference between an employee and independent contractor in 1L, but probably won't find out that the labor laws don't protect your ass until you begin working. Fact is that shitlaw firms have a vast pool of desperate attorneys to exploit.

    Oh, and because you're supposed to be a rich and upstanding lawyer, nobody is going to give a rat's ass about your inability to pay your student loans on a less than minimum wage salary.

    Welcome to the noble profession, suckers.

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    1. I don't think most people even get a legal job, a real legal job, after a year's worth of searching.

      If they did, then doc review rates would be going up and up as nobody would agree to it otherwise.

      But it's pretty much impossible to get out of law, either as an attorney or a doc review, so instead rates go lower and lower and conditions get worse and worse.

      I think 90% of law schools would need to close for 10+ years to actually redeem this "profession." Or maybe it actually needs to be a "profession" so all these CPAs and compliance workers can't perform legal work openly.

      If the only "protected" aspect of being an attorney is going to court, well, then there really isn't much of a need at all for attorneys, there aren't that many cases and certainly no need for 50k new litigators a year. Especially since the move is towards administrative courts and arbitration, where...you don't have to be an attorney at all to represent someone. Probably a better idea would be to just make all courts administrative and close up every law school and drop every state bar organization. At least that way there wouldn't be anymore victims to this scam.

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    2. Compliance workers don't provide legal advice. They make sure the truck has the paperwork, for instance. Or that some guy has safety glasses. Or that the right workers are drug tested. However, your point is correct. Being a lawyer is no longer a profession except for a very few at the top. Its a constant scramble for scraps.

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    3. "But it's pretty much impossible to get out of law, either as an attorney or a doc review, so instead rates go lower and lower and conditions get worse and worse. "

      No, this is not true. It only seems this way while you're still chewing the shit sandwich. Push the plate away and you'll gain a fresh perspective. I got out after trying to survive post-collapse for a few years and went back to engineering. There was a nearly 10 year law-induced gap on my engineering resume.

      The transition took about 2-3 months from "fuck this shit" to receiving a steady paycheck. I wrote android apps for a while to polish my semi-rusty skills and then started going for interviews, which I aced. My first interview I got hired for 85k a year as a java developer. I've since hopped around a bit and am now netting well over 100k a year. I've had steady work for nearly 3 years now, met a girl, got married and have finally started paying down my student loans. It's like I'm living the biglaw dream, only I work like 35 hours a week and wear jeans and sandals to work. I haven't met a convicted felon in nearly 3 years.

      This sort of transition isn't for everyone. A lot of employers will ask about your resume gap. You'll have to persuade prospective employers (does this make everything JD advantage?) that you did great at law but that it just wasn't as much fun as what they're going to hire you for. After your first year post transition, no one will even notice that you used to be a lawyer. If people find out, you'll get typical responses like "wow, you're a lawyer, what are you doing here as a programmer." Just chuckle internally and say you'd rather be doing something you enjoy than making all that lawyer money. Hohoho.

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    4. Not to discount your efforts @12:05, but it's really not as much of a "transition" to go back to your old career compared to not having a career at all to go back to.

      You didn't "transition" so much as "returned" to your actual career.

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    5. It is possible to switch careers and get out of law, but it's also extremely difficult.

      Conventional wisdom will tell you that it becomes more difficult the older you get. However, I dispute this point. Leaving law for something else is easier if you have been able to practice law, because you don't want future employers to think you are a failure. Your years of practice become a marketing point, either to employers or to a graduate school you are applying to.

      It's hard to leave law if you could not find a job after law school, or you went several years and only had contract work. In such cases, you really have no other choice but to go back to school or go into the trades.

      Bottom line: the law degree itself will not open any doors at all. You really do need work experience, additional schooling or entry into a trade in order to successfully transition to something else.

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  8. As a 22 year solo practitioner, I have finally decided to cash out and call it quits. It is brutal out here. When I first started out as a solo, I used to get $750 retainers for moving violations involving points. I would get $3,500 for DUI cases, $5,000 for anything below 3rd degree crimes and a $20,000 retainer for felonies. Today, traffic cases go for $150, DUIs go for $500, misdemeanors go for $1,000 and felonies go for $5,000. The reason why these fees have drastically been reduced is due to the glut of new lawyers who don't know what the fuck they are doing and don't know how much to charge. These lawyers are basically pleaded their clients out while holding their hands. They are too chicken shit to take a case to trial because their inexperience will be exposed.

    I am tired of competing for low hanging fruit clients who will only pay table scraps. I had to let go of my paralegal last year and last month I let go of my legal secretary after 12 years of loyal service. I simply couldn't afford her anymore as clients are not paying bills on time, if they pay at all. I had a client who was acquitted of murder in 2011. He owed me $45,000 in legal fees. I took him to fee arbitration and won. I sued him and won. Then early this year, the motherfucker filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy and discharged my fees. To add insult to injury, he was represented by a pro bono organization. SO you see folks, the average joe doesn't want to pay the lawyer man. They would rather go bankrupt than pay you a red cent.

    I just sold my house and cashed out my retirement account. I accumulated close to $1.5M and will be moving to another country where I will live comfortably on my $1,700 social security check. I am done with this profession and this fucking country. You kids can stay behind and kill each other for the chance to represent the dregs of society for little or nothing.

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    1. I applied to teach Criminal Justice part time at a shit bag community college. The Chair told me a JD is not taken seriously in the academic community. He told me that most attorneys he knows, take five bills cash from a client in the morning for a ten minute plea or continuance and knock off the rest of the day. He gave me the "courtesy" of an interview because his boss was a friend of mine. He told she and I that he didn't want to hire me, even for one lousy class because I would degrade the reputation of the CJ Department. He noted that his ideal candidate is a Copper with simply a BA. I walked out of there and nearly fainted.

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    2. He doesn't respect attorneys, because as an academic, he takes $5k per student for 10 minutes of work every half year. As a scammer himself, he just can't respect the plebian scammers.

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    3. Which country?

      I want to buy a ticket, too.

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    4. I am moving to Brazil. I had a Brazilian girlfriend for many years so I speak Portuguese. My only regret was not cashing out in 2008 when I had $8.9M in my trust account as a result of some commercial RE deals I had going on. Had I been smarter, I would have taken that money, gone to Brazil and mailed my law license to the Bar Committee with the comment: "Bye Felicia."

      After all these years of practice I look back and count thousands of ungrateful clients that I bent over backwards to get great results. I was recognized by several organizations and even won my county's "pro bono lawyer of the year" award 3 times. And for what? Clients still complain, bad mouth you and call you years after you finished the representation to talk about how a current problem is related to how the case was handled which is entirely bullshit. I have been taken to fee arbitration 8 times in my career. I won all 8 fee arb cases but the amount of time it takes to defend and prepare for each suck the life out of you.

      I am done with this fucking bullshit "profession." No more calls from my answering service at 2AM from clients who claim to have an emergency only to find out they want their dick stroked while you lube yourself up to take it up the ass. The only folks that are making a killing in this business are Equity Biglaw partners, state and federal judges who get paid to BS, and the scam artists operating the law schools. Everyone else is simply paying for the privilege of keeping the fat cats living a great and luxurious lifestyle in exchange for minimal work.

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    5. You are precisely right. I have 40 years "in."

      Time to get working on Portuguese.

      Good luck.

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  9. https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Demographic_and_Economic_Trends&Template=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=30865

    On page 2 of this report from the State Bar of Texas Department of Research and Analysis:

    “2014 Attorney Population Density by Metropolitan Statistical Area

    This report has two sections that show the active in-state Texas attorney population growth from 2004 to 2014 by county for all 25 Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSAs) and for non-metropolitan counties as of December 31 of each corresponding year. For comparison, information on Texas attorneys is compared to the Texas general population.

    Summary Findings

    2004 to 2014 Population Growth:

     The active in-state Texas attorney population grew by 28 percent between 2004 and 2014, growing from 67,764 in 2004 to 86,494 in 2014. This compares to a 20 percent growth in the Texas general population (22,490,022 in 2004 to 26,956,958 in 2014).

     The Midland MSA experienced the largest percent increase in active attorneys growing by 48 percent (324 in 2004 to 480 in 2014). During the same time the Austin-Round Rock MSA experienced the largest percent increase in general population, growing by 38 percent (8,319 in 2004 to 11,498 in 2014).

    2014 Population Density:

     As of 2014, there was 1 attorney to every 312 Texas citizens. In 2004, there was 1 attorney to every 332 Texas citizens.

     In 2014, 90 percent of Texas attorneys were located in the ten largest metropolitan areas. The four largest metropolitan areas contained 84 percent of all active in-state attorneys. The four largest metropolitan areas are Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land MSA (32%), Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington MSA (30%), Austin-Round Rock MSA (13%), and San Antonio-New Braunfels MSA (8%).”

    Sadly, idiots will continue to apply and enroll in ABA-accredited trash pits in the area - even with these facts in place. At least those with functioning brain stems can spare themselves a lifetime of soul-crushing student debt, by avoiding these cesspools.

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  11. As I read these posts, I again say "thank you" to Nando and Campos for saving me from this scam.

    Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

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  12. On September 28, 2015, the Dallas Morning News featured a post from Sarah Mervosh, which was entitled "There's now 1 lawyer for every 157 people in Dallas County." It appeared in The Scoop Blog. Read the following portion:

    http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2015/09/theres-now-1-lawyer-for-every-157-people-in-dallas-county.html/

    “Have Texas lawyers been multiplying for the last decade?

    You know, like the Lestrange family vault treasure in Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows:

    [Video clip]

    Because that’s what I like to imagine our local lawyers doing after reading this reportby the State Bar of Texas.

    According to the report:

    o The number of active attorneys in Texas grew by 28 percent between 2004 and 2014. That outpaced Texas’ general population, which increased 20 percent during the same period.
    o There’s now one lawyer for every 312 Texas residents.
    o In Dallas County, that ratio is even more startling: One attorney per 157 people.

    “It’s much more competitive in Dallas than it has ever been in the 42 years I’ve been here,” said criminal defense attorney Bill Knox.

    Milan Markovic, an associate professor at Texas A&M University’s law school, attributed the spike to several factors:

    o Texas’ strong economy, which has enticed attorneys to move here from other states. “People are going to want to practice in areas where people have money to spend on legal services,” he said.
    o A surge in law school graduates in the 2000s, though that trend has since reversed itself. Law school enrollment is now down across the country.
    o A lack of retirements as people continue to recover from the recession.”

    Still want to incur an ass-load of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a chance to enter this GLUTTED “profession,” Lemming?!?! Many thousands of law grads are financially ruined, each year. Do you want to add your name to the list? These people have performed the research for you. There is no need for YOU to enroll in a third tier commode or second tier sewage pit, Dumbass.

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  13. As a recovered former sh!tlaw solo, I can affirm that for MOST attorneys, the problem is overwhelming getting the paying client in the door. There are plenty of people who need or want a lawyer, they just can't pay the bill. Then, you need s stream of such clients as repeat business, with some practice exceptions, isn't likely. Even when you do get the paying client in the door, you then have the stress to deal with no matter what.

    Kids, think very seriously about law school; more importantly, whether soloing is for you, because it may very likely be your only option!

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    1. Correction: REFUSE to pay for an attorney. Not CAN'T. It's the old axiom: "I shouldn't have to pay for an attorney when I am INOCENT!" Or if found guilty, "What did you do for me?" We need to abolish the Public Defender, govt. subsized competition. Most people are looking for the Walmart deal...Low Everyday Prices.

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    2. I think that "inocent" is "innocent.

      That aside, you are correct.

      I am a strong proponent of comparative analysis.

      A doctor tells you that you are terminal due to some condition and sends you a bill. You and your insurer pay it.

      A lawyer tells you your case is crap, you insist on trial, the judgment runs against you, and you don't pay your lawyer.

      As a lawyer, I would love to be able to diagnose my clients. "You will die if you don't pay my bill." So, "unethical?"

      Well, doctors tell clients they will die, and they do die, and still get paid.

      Just ranting. But the lead poster is correct. Clients just hate paying lawyers.

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  14. A lawyer colleague of mine said he practices "door law."

    I do whatever comes in through the door.

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  15. I graduated with a BA in Criminal Justice and had no idea what to do. I got accepted to some shitty 3rd and 4th tier colleges "widener" being the best. I almost went until I read this blog. Kept at it and landed a job as a claims adjuster for a major carrier and now I'm working my way to adjusting workers compensation or bodily injury claims. Saved myself from 150,000 debt or more. Now I have my own apartment and I'm very comfortable, Nando you saved my life!!!

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