Saturday, November 28, 2015

Third Tier Toilet Gonzaga University School of Law Offers Buyouts to 17 Tenured Pigs


http://abovethelaw.com/2015/11/amid-stark-enrollment-decline-law-school-offers-buyouts-to-all-tenured-faculty/

The Excellent News: On November 23, 2015, ATL published a Staci Zaretsky entry that was labeled “Amid Stark Enrollment Decline, Law School Offers Buyouts To All Tenured Faculty.” Take a look at her opening:

“For years now, when faced with cash crunches, deans at some law schools have allowed their admissions standards to fall to the wayside rather than deal a blow to their budgets. Considering the precipitous drop in bar exam passage over the past two years, it’s evident that this wasn’t a very good strategy. On the other side of the coin, we have law schools that have been forced to make significant cuts to their own tenured faculty in order to keep their incoming students’ credentials from becoming laughable. 

It’s been quite some time since we’ve written about law school buyouts, but it seems that one law school waited until now to decide that it was stuck in a completely untenable situation. Which law school may soon have fewer tenured professors? 

It’s Gonzaga University School of Law, and between 2011 and 2014, its applicant pool has dropped by 36 percent, while its total enrollment has declined by 28 percent over the same time period. First-year law student enrollment at Gonzaga Law was at 125 students in 2014, compared to 183 in 2010, which represents a drop of 32 percent overall. 

As you can see, throughout the law school enrollment crisis, entering students’ admissions profiles have remained roughly the same at Gonzaga Law. Unfortunately, refusing to take on students who were riskier bets came at a cost. What’s the solution?

Dean Jane Korn has offered buyouts to all of the law school’s tenured faculty in the hope of avoiding having to lower Gonzaga Law’s standards for admission. Seventeen tenured faculty members received Korn’s offer, and four have accepted thus far.” [Emphasis mine]

As noted in chart above, the commode’s 25th percentile LSAT score was 154 in Fall 2010 and that figure decreased to 151 in Fall 2014. Their admi$$ion$ “standards” did drop, but not as precipitously as at other ABA-accredited diploma mills. Now, the dung pit is seeking to buy out their overpaid, severely underworked “professors.” 

http://www.inlander.com/Bloglander/archives/2015/11/21/why-gonzaga-university-school-of-law-offered-buy-outs-to-its-tenured-professors

Other Coverage: On November 21, 2015, the Inlander blog featured a Mitch Ryals post that was entitled “Why Gonzaga University School of Law offered buy-outs to its tenured professors.” Check out the portion below:

“Gonzaga University School of Law is no exception to a dip in enrollment nationwide.

From 2011 to 2014, GU's School of Law has seen its application pool deplete by 36 percent. Enrollment has dropped by 28 percent in that same time. 

As a result, the administration has offered buy-outs to all of its tenured professors. So far, four of the 17 faculty members have taken the offer. Law school dean Jane Korn does not anticipate the need to cut any more positions.

"Nationally, since 2011, applications to law schools have dropped around 40 percent," Korn says. "Every dean had to make a decision to lower standards or take a budget hit, and we decided to take the budget hit." [Emphasis mine]

It always make me laugh whenever cockroach deans talk as if they are doing the right thing, out of the goodness of their heart or character. The fact remains that the toilet was admitting and enrolling morons before 2011. They have also lowered their $tandard$ further, in order to get more asses in seats – despite a big-ass drop in applicants. Yes, these “educators” are such beacons of integrity, right?!?!

Make sure that you are not drinking anything, while reading the following tripe, in the article’s concluding parapraph:

"We're doing this because when you look at the situation ahead, you want to make sure Gonzaga has a bright and successful future," [Pig] Korn says. "We did this to avoid problems in the future."

Your trash pit is enrolling waterheads who scored 151 on the LSAT, ass monkey! How in the hell is that going to ensure a bright future for your TTT in$TTTiTTTuTTTion?!

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+5

Ranking: According to US “News” & World Report, Gonzaga Univer$iTTTy Sewer of Law is rated as the 110th greatest, most phenomenal, and amazing law school in the entire land. What a tremendous accomplishment! 

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+4

Average Law School Indebtedness: USN&WR lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Gonzaga Univer$iTTTy JD Class of 2014 who incurred debt for law school - as $121,281. In fact, 89% of this school’s 2014 cohort took on such foul debt. Keep in mind that this figure does not even include undergraduate debt – and it also does not take accrued interest into account, while the student is enrolled.

Conclusion: In the final analysis, Gonzaga Univer$iTTTy Sewer of Law is trying to stay relevant in the law school game. I suppose you can give the cockroaches credit for not admitting mental midgets with 145 LSAT scores and 2.76 undegraduate GPAs. Then again, that is akin to praising a 12 year old for not smearing feces over himself. Dean Jane Korn is merely seeking to put a positive spin on this development. Even if more academic thieves accept the offer, do not expect tuition to drop.

23 comments:

  1. It might be time to double down. Maybe the JD/MBA combination is the way to go. This would increase your chance of getting hired.

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    1. No. Take it from a 26 year veteran. To get a decent law gig (above 50K) it takes connections., family, network, your buddies. Not a five minute conversation with another desperate lawyer at a Bar function either. Legal or case knowledge or extra degrees matters not one wit. It is affability, likeability, judgement and do you have your buddy's back.

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    2. Don't double down. Cash in your chips.

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    3. Even if you were to make a top 5 MBA program, the stain of the toilet JD would ruin you. Plus those positions are also determined by birth right, and your pre-B-School career.

      Face it, you had one real shot at education and it was rigged against you.

      Not the best thing to do is just hope for luck doing something, anything, because it doesn't matter what you do your chances suck at everything.

      Might as well make youtube videos to try and make cash like most people do in this new economy. A good, stable, traditional job, if you're not connected, is out of reach.

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    4. 3:20 is correct about the "stain" of a JD. Look at any ad or solicitation for an Adjunct Professor and it reads, "No JD's" I applied as an Adjunct to teach Criminal Procedure at a local community college. The Chair who interviewed me, because I was friends with a professor, told me flat out he doesn't want a lawyer teaching in his department. "There are just too many of you and a JD is not an academic degree." He noted he would rather have a "Copper" with an associates degree who has "been there and done that" and not some attorney who appears in court and BS's with the Judge for two minutes to get a continuance to milk another 5 bills from a client and then enters a plea. There you have it, our jig is up. I tired to tell him that I have over 25 years experience and that I was an Administrative Law Judge as well. He noted, "Sir, I need to move on to my next interview. Thank you for coming/." I took three Enteman's donuts they served. I was hungry that night. I hadn't had a paying client in at least three weeks and my ALJ gig is part time.

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    5. Over 20 years experience as a lawyer, and I had the same exact experience as 6:35am. Applied to teach criminal law at the local community college(for the lordly sum of $1500 for the semester) and was flat rejected after a cursory interview. But they gave me a reason: I was a lawyer. They much preferred a cop or someone with a PhD in Criminology(apparently no shortage of those), but in any case didn't want a JD(also told it wasn't a real degree). So if you've got The Scarlet Letter(s) of JD, it's over anywhere but in the law. And if you attended a TTT, it's over once you get the degree.

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  2. Gonzaga? What the fuck is that? An online school?

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    1. Home to a very good basketball team. There might be a school attached, but I can't remember.

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    2. This. Essentially a fine basketball program with a school attached.

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    3. Unfortunately, study and intellect are little more than afterthoughts at many so-called universities nowadays, including many of the big ones. Commercial, pornographic, male-chauvinist football and basketball have pushed academic matters to the side.

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  3. Even if these schools didn't charge tuition they would be a complete disgrace.

    The law school "education" is utterly worthless, and wasting 3 years of one's prime out of the workforce and not building any skills or contacts is an absolute debacle.

    You might as well take a 3 year cruise, it's probably cheaper and you'd have more fun, and more things to talk about.

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  4. 110th best. That is a shit school.

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  5. One way or another, 2016 is going to be a big year for the scam. Either the Charlestons and the Indiana Techs and the Thomas Jeffersons close or they weather the storm, make adjustments, and continue on. If no schools close in 2016-well, it will just be evidence that they can't be closed. Of course, Congress could end the loans, but since those guys can't agree what day of the week it is, that's not very likely.
    So will adjustments like Gonzaga's-a true TTT-save the school? Yep, 2016 is going to be very interesting.

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    1. Best case for Indiana Tech: The ABA denies accreditation. The first graduating class is ineligible for the bar. The law skule closes down, and all employees get the sack, though a couple of them get administrative positions elsewhere in Indiana Tech. The shock wave forces other skules out of business. Scamsters blame the collapse on Indiana Tech's poor administration, but few people are fooled.

      Worst case: The ABA accredits Indiana Tech. Long before anyone sees the dreadful results of the bar exam (not to mention the even more dreadful figures on employment), Indiana Tech sees a resurgence of interest—enough to justify restoring tuition, albeit only at $20k per year. With only 25 entering students or so, Indiana Tech continues to bleed red ink. But it carries on, subsidized by what is left of the parent institution's endowment. The scamsters breathe a sigh of relief, but Indiana Tech doesn't see the next decade.

      Probable outcome (in Old Guy's opinion): The chicken-livered ABA accredits this toilet, but few people care to apply. Indiana Tech gets 20 students if it keeps tuition at zero, 15 if it charges $15k–20k but offers huge discounts to all but the most desperate. Indiana Tech still doesn't see the next decade.

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    2. Damn it, Indiana Tech deserves to be accredited. I heard that Indy Car drivers are UNDERSERVED! The students can enroll in the IRL clinic to learn practice ready skills.

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  6. Let’s review the Law School Numbers profile on Gonzaga Univer$iTTTy Sewer of Law, for a moment. Enjoy!

    http://gonzaga.lawschoolnumbers.com/

    "GONZAGA LAW SCHOOL

    The Gonzaga University School of Law is the law school of Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington. It is commonly viewed as a strong regional school in the inland Pacfic Northwest, and is the only law school in the State of Washington outside of the Seattle metropolitan area. It is a private, Jesuit institution and is consistently ranked as a third tier law school. The recently constructed School of Law building is located along the Spokane River on the south end of the Gonzaga University campus and contains the large Chastek Law Library. It is a fully ABA-accredited law school, first established in 1912."

    Yes, who doesn't want to shell out serious amounts of cash - and piss away three years of their life - for a THIRD TIER "legal education"?!?! Sadly, many mentally deficient fools will sign on the dotted line - even though they know the commode is ranked 110th "best" by USN&WR.

    “GONZAGA LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS

    Gonzaga Law School is considered a Somewhat Competitive law school, which accepts only 64% of its applicants. Comparatively, Gonzaga is Higher than the average cost for law school.”

    Hell, junkies are more selective than these dogs. Apparently, this trash heap is willing to accept people who drool on their application.

    Scroll down for the following info:

    “GONZAGA LAW SCHOOL EMPLOYMENT

    Deciding to attend law school requires a large financial investment with the goal of securing employment upon graduation. The Gonzaga University class of 2014 had an employment rate of 77% with 3% pursuing an additional degree.”

    Those are garbage law prospects. That is well worth the huge-ass “investment” in yourself, i.e. large sums of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, huh?!!? By the way, does anyone else laugh when the pigs note the portion of their class that is relegated to pursuing an additional degree? That shows you clearly that the “education” did not pay off for those individuals. Of course, some lemmings will double down – and grab another worthless academic credential. Because that will increase their supposed “marketability,” right?!?!

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    1. Please stop using the categories (such as "third tier") of You Ass News and World Report. The definitions of those categories are arbitrary and meaningless. There is no relevant sense in which Gonzaga should be considered a tier above Cooley.

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    2. When I was a High School debater, we used to call USN&WR, US News and World Distort. Why is so much credibility given to that magazine? Newsweek, Life, Look, and a lot of other magazines went out of business. It is just a magazine, something that you get greasy, read while taking a dump (see above) and toss in the recycling bin.

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  7. http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=204190

    Check out this discussion, from February 11, 2013 11:08 pm, regarding TLS topic “Univ of Idaho or Gonzaga?” The original poster – with an IQ below room temperature - used handle “nikkiblast.”

    On February 11, 2013, at 11:12 pm, “Bronck” submitted this response:

    “Where do you want to work?

    Neither schools are particularly good.

    Gonzaga: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gonzaga

    Idaho: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=idaho

    If you can go to them for free/near-free then maybe they'd be worth it.”

    Accountholder “dr123” posted the following remarks, on the same day, at 11:37 pm:

    “Do not go to Gonzaga or Idaho if you do not want to work in Eastern Washington or Idaho.”

    Somehow, this toilet attracts people from out of state. Yeah, good luck “networking” and “becoming part of the local legal community” when you have no real ties to the area, Dumbass!

    On February 11, 2013 11:51 pm, user “romothesavior” wrote this epic response:

    “Unfortunately, all of these schools have pretty atrocious job statistics. Unless you 1) have a massive scholarship, 2) are from the area, and 3) want to work in the area, I would not advise going to any of these schools. The majority of students at these schools wind up unemployed or vastly underemployed, and there is a real probability that the average student there will never work as a lawyer. Scary stuff.

    I don't mean this insultingly at all, but it sounds like some more research and deliberation is in order for you. If you're just now discovering how bad Santa Clara, San Diego, and San Francisco place, then you clearly have a lot of learning to do about the current state of the legal market and the riskiness of the investment. This is going to be the biggest career and financial investment you will ever make, so make sure you do your due diligence and fully understand the debt/risk you are taking on before you pull the trigger. Fortunately, you've found two of the best resources around for doing this: LST and TLS.

    I'd recommend sitting out a year or two, retaking the LSAT, and figuring out whether this is what you want to do.”

    Sadly, too many morons end up owing $200K+ in NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt, for a garbage law degree. Apparently, these “sophisticated consumers” are not smart enough to figure out that it is BEYOND FOOLISH to incur such outrageous debt, for a TTT diploma. How many brand new law grads each year rake in $200K salaries?!?! Hell, Harvard JDs would be thrilled to make such an income right out of law school.

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  8. On February 12, 2013, at 3:06 pm, user “ineptimusprime” dropped some knowledge on this stupid bitch:

    “Avoid Gonzaga like the plague... I've heard they section stack and lots of people lose their scholarships. I think Gonzaga would be perfectly cromulent if your scholarship has no stips, but it takes a special sort of idiot to pay $35,000 a year or whatever sticker is at GU.

    Only go to Idaho if you're paying in-state or less and would be okay working in Rupert, ID. Moscow also sucks, so there's that.

    Seriously though, law school is terrible choice. I'm at slightly better/less expensive school than these two (I do love my school though) and I still sometimes regret it.

    If you're absolutely dead set on law school this year, throw out some last second apps to public T2s and TTTs where in-state tuition MAY be a possibility... get your offers back from each and negotiate scholarships with all of them. Only go if you can get your tuition down to under $15,000 and be fully aware that ending up with a job paying somewhere between $35,000 - $50,000 a year starting out would be a success. Also, you're going to be working in the region that the school places in, so be ready to live in MT, KS, NE, ID, WY, etc..

    Good luck whatever you decide to do.”

    The smartass comment of the discussion came from “uvabro” – on February 12, 2013 3:08 pm:

    “OP: while neither of these 2 alone will get u to california, together they can. Have you considered enrolling in both and commuting bw washington and idaho?”

    By the way, the dolt did not want to take the LSAT again, since she already took the test twice. Read the entire thread. The embecile ended up enrolling at the University of Miami Law Sewer.

    On February 15, 2013 6:03 pm, BigZuck provided this insight:

    “You're doing it wrong.

    Listen to these people. They are wise and they are trying to save you from ruining your life.”

    It’s hilarious when those with marginal credentials and low-to-average intelligence have a high opinion of themselves and believe that THEY will succeed at a certified toilet. In the end, the scamblogs and other critics are pointing out the dangers inherent in obtaining a :legal education" from an overpriced trash pit – and we do so at no cost. Yet, these cretins enroll anyway. When they WILLINGLY IGNORE the facts and reality, they have only themselves to blame when they end up broke and out on their ass or on welfare.

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  9. As other posters point out, much of education today is simply a scam:
    http://thinkprogress.org/education/2015/11/30/3725024/graduates-of-for-profit-colleges-say-they-were-scammed-now-theyre-fighting-back/

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  10. Actually, I just graduated from GU. I got a scholarship, classes are meh, 1 or 2 really good professors, 4-5 complete jokes. The key is networking is actually ridiculously easy for almost anywhere in WA/ID (yes, including Seattle, I had paid gigs both summers with middling grades), just that nobody does it because well, nobody seems to know how and it's not taught.

    But yeah, I made it out and I'm doing well. Big firms in Seattle (obviously you can imagine what field, not finance) will hire GU grads if you know how to network, just that for some god knows why reason nobody does. Career office will tell you that nobody networks, actually, if you ask.

    Local jobs don't pay very well but this Seattle gig I have is quite nice. It's all about how much you put into it tho.

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