Friday, April 1, 2016

Update on Fourth Tier Excrement: Valparaiso University Law School Pushes Through on Buyout Offers to Tenured Pigs

Excellent News: On March 30, 2016, the South Bend Tribune re-published an Associated Press story, with contributions from reporter Margaret Fosmoe, under the headline “Valparaiso University offers buyouts to law school faculty.” Look at this stellar opening:

“Valparaiso University's law school is offering tenured professors and other faculty members with multi-year contracts buyouts due to the nationwide trend of sharp declines in student applications and enrollment.

"To put the law school and our students in the best position to succeed, we are taking steps to meet the challenges facing legal education," university spokeswoman Nicole Niemi said. 

Valparaiso is not alone in seeing a post-recession drop in enrollment. The University of Notre Dame and Indiana University law schools also have seen their class sizes shrink, The (Munster) Times reports.

Andrea Lyon, dean of Valparaiso University's law school, said there are 36 full-time faculty members and the school hasn't yet set a target number for the number of professors it hopes will accept the buyouts.

Enrollment in the law school has been going down and the school has been more selective from a smaller pool of applicants, Lyon said. She also said legal education has taken quite a hit and the number of people taking the LSAT nationwide has gone down 50 percent from 2009 to now. 

The number of first-year law students at Valparaiso was 130 in 2015, down from 218 in 2011. 

Linda Hanson, president emeritus of Hamline University in Minnesota, commends Valparaiso for downsizing. "You cannot stay at a size that is too large for the number of students they are attracting," she said.” [Emphasis mine]

At least, you are not the ones drowning in horrid sums of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for a worthless academic “credential.” Your recent graduates and current students face financial ruin. This buyout merely means that you cockroaches will have to go out and get real jobs, i.e. positions which require that you actually produce something of use to others.

Other Coverage: On March 20, 2016, the Times of Northwest Indiana published a Rob Earnshaw piece entitled “VU’s law school not alone in facing enrollment decline.” Enjoy the following portion:

“Valparaiso University Law School is not alone as it deals with a post-recession drop in enrollment. 

Valparaiso University announced Feb. 26 it was offering tenured faculty and those with multi-year contracts a buyout, citing a sharp decline in student applications and enrollment at its law school. 

University spokeswoman Nicole Niemi said then that VU is no exception to the sharp decline in student applications and enrollment at law schools since the recession. 

Notre Dame and Indiana University law schools also have seen their class sizes shrink, but some believe the student shortage has bottomed out and job outlooks are promising. 

Linda Hanson, president emeritus of Hamline University in Minnesota, commends VU for downsizing.  

"You cannot stay at a size that is too large for the number of students they are attracting," she said. 

Hanson was on the negotiating team during the 2015 merger of Hamline School of Law with Mitchell College of Law, a move that came in the midst of declining enrollment in law schools nationwide. Hanson, who is on the board of Mitchell/Hamline School of Law, has been following closely what's been happening since 2010 when law school enrollment began to drop off.” [Emphasis mine]

Perhaps, this pile of rancid filth can merge with Indiana TTTTTech Law $chool. Hell, back on October 8, 2012, Paul Campos noted that Indiana did not need a fifth ABA institution. Of course, the pigs moved ahead with their plans. Thankfully, that cesspool has not taken in many victims/students.

The Toilet’s Ranking: As you can see, Valparai$o Univer$iTTTTy Sewer of Law is once again rated as a FOURTH TIER DUNG HEAP – by US “News” & World Report. What a tremendous distinction, huh?!?!

Conclusion: Valparai$o Univer$iTTTTy Sewer of Law is a vile stench pit. This school is a backed up toilet that provides it students and graduates with abysmal job prospects. Why piss away three years of your life – and incur outrageous sums of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt – for a pointless TTTT law degree? There are tons of those losers already. You can find them working at electronics stores, hotel front desks, in insurance offices, etc. These men and women have done the research. You DO NOT NEED to join them in financial ruin. Try not to be a moron; avoid this rat hole.


  1. Holy shit Nando! That photo made me skip breakfast this morning. Still, I think it captures the essence of Valpo law school.

  2. Proving, once again, there really is no honor among thieves...when the going was good, no problem having all those overpaid profs. Now that things are a bit tight, gotta "right size" and jettison the expensive tenured profs; no doubt they'll be moving to the all-adjunct "practice ready" model with desperate solos teaching courses at $1500/per course with no benefits.
    If a medical/dental/nursing/pharmacy school did this, it would be big news. But it's a law school, so it draws scant interest beyond the local area, because everyone-except the Special Snowflakes-knows that law schools-especially the TTTS-are a scam so no news there.

    1. Pharmacy isn't at this point yet, but stay tuned. With it's decrease in total jobs, a la BLS, and its 100 percent increase in graduates since 1997, pharmacy is already seeing massive drop offs in applications, but it's still not at the point of butts in seats.

  3. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingApril 1, 2016 at 7:56 AM

    This is really sad to read. Any academic institution that is in the process fading away in Indiana is horrendous. I have traveled extensively around Indiana and Valpo is a breath of fresh air. Indiana is a vast wasteland, except for New Harmony. Indiana is a dystopian flat landscape of diabetes clinics, Walmarts, used car lots (Pontiacs, Saturns and Daewoos), new jails, Old Country Buffets, and Dollar Trees. They had a serious STD outbreak when their Governor forcibly shut down the one Planned Parenthood. It is so bad in Indiana, that businesses are relocating to Illinois!

  4. Yellowish-orange dog shit? That is Valpo's school color, isn't it?

  5. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingApril 1, 2016 at 7:27 PM

    Great Lakes schools like Valpo, DePaul, Marshall, Northern (formerly Lewis Univ. Law School) Indiana Tech and Cooley catered to the vast pools of children of burgeoning middle class factory workers, many first and second generation ethnic immigrants during the post war boom. This region is now called the "Rust Belt" for a reason, The market no longer supports these schools. There is not enough work nor new students....Illinois alone has 92K registered attorneys

  6. Which law school is a bigger piece of shit, Valpo or Touro?

  7. They say the truest things are often said in jest, and I'd have to agree. This one article from none other than the Onion sums up the higher education racket in its title:

    "Failure To Get Into Private College To Be Most Financially Responsible Act Of 17-Year-Old’s Life"

    I'm pretty sure that most everyone who posts here would agree that if they had it to do all over again, they'd rejoice in receiving a rejection letter from their bottom-rung garbage pile law school. I sure know my life would be better off had I not attended.

    1. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingApril 2, 2016 at 7:33 PM

      I received a Scholarship offer from an Ivy League school MA program and an MSW scholarship from a Midwestern school. I turned both down to attend a T-1 law school on my own dime (student loans). Why? Thirty years ago my blue collar dad told me "you can do anything with law degree" and that you can go into those "other" professions later. To some extent, he was correct. Most law School back then were highly selective and you were lucky even with my 3.5 GPA to get in. I regret it now that the market has completely tanked and some folks view a JD as non-academic and not rigorous.

    2. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingApril 3, 2016 at 9:30 AM

      And further, nobody wants a "failed" lawyer even if you try to make a career change. "Your a lawyer" goes the thinking, "what's wrong?" You can say you are "seeking new challenges." Folks know that's bullshit. If you were a successful lawyer, you wouldn't need to look elsewhere. No amount of telling prospective employers that the market is "oversaturated" will get you a non-lawyer job. They will simply question your bad judgment and will leave if you get a law gig.

    3. I love the Onion. This is even better than the one they did about the South postponing rising again:

  8. Law skool is a waste of time and money. If you didn't go to a top, top law school, you're looking at shitlaw or nonlaw. There's no fucking reason to take out $100k for a job making $45k at best.

    1. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingApril 3, 2016 at 9:36 AM

      I concur in part and dissent in part. Law school is a rewarding education. One leans the nuts and bolts of our poltical/legal system. Soemthing Trump lacks a basis understand thereof. I agree that law school is not a vehicle to a sustainable middle class lifestyle for most. I am out 26 years and struggle to earn an income. I see guys I knew who at one time were decent, respectable lawywes I admired now forced into "hallway hustling." I took a weekend job for gas money. My California law buddy sits at a In N Out Burger during the afternoons with no legal work. He was busy a several years back.


    On March 31, 2016, ATL posted a Staci Zaretsky entry labeled “Law Schools In Trouble: Several Schools May Soon Wither Away Into Closure.” Check out this opening:

    “With applicants up 0.7 percent since last year and more students taking the LSAT than in recent years, there seems to be a faint glimmer of hope on the horizon for law schools, many of which have suffered greatly since enrollment’s obliteration — likely caused by the legal media’s exposure of scores of miserable, heavily indebted, unemployed graduates — occurred after the recession.

    But is there a light at the end of the tunnel of despair for all law schools?

    David Barnhizer, a professor emeritus at Cleveland-Marshall College of Law, believes that law schools in the Great Lakes and Midwest area are still in trouble. In a new paper, Barnhizer outlines what he thinks may lead to the demise of several Midwestern law schools, writing, “The picture is not pretty in the ‘Rust Belt’ region.”

    According to Barnhizer, there are six “critical factors” affecting Rust Belt law schools:

    1. The Great Lakes/Midwest region is economically depressed and while it may experience a partial recovery it nonetheless will fall short of recreating the base of manufacturing activity that produced a strong upwardly mobile middle class of the kind that sustains high-level educational activity.

    2. The region’s populations are static, aging or declining with the result that the applicant pool for law schools in the geographic area is falling,

    3. The region’s lawyer job markets are saturated to the point that there are not a significant number of new jobs being created and the replacement market that depends on the deaths or retirement of lawyers currently in practice is slow moving.

    4. Public budgets for local and state governments in the Great Lakes/Midwest region are under significant stress with the result that those institutions represent a largely static or declining employment market for lawyers.

    5. A significant number of the region’s “top” law jobs will be “cherry-picked” by graduates of law schools such as Harvard, Yale, Michigan, Ohio State and a few others.

    6. The systemic pressures on law schools trying to survive in the depressed applicant market and convince those to whom they extend offers to attend the law school will create a sort of financial “death spiral” in which law schools rely on greatly expanded financial aid packages in an effort to “buy” students, along with staff and faculty reductions since few law schools have a significant endowment “cushion” to buffer the declining financial situation. This creates an incentive to admit marginal students at the lower end of the scale who pay full tuition in order to fund the subsidies and scholarships given to more highly qualified applicants.

    Barnhizer continues his assault on law schools in this region of the country, noting that “many of the ‘lesser’ law schools in the Great Lakes/Midwest region are largely left ‘out in the cold’ in relation to being able to attract significant cohorts of well-qualified applicants and students.” With suffering regional schools like Cooley and Valparaiso to choose from, with recent entering first-year student LSAT profiles like 138/141/147 (Cooley) and 142/145/148 (Valpo), Barnhizer’s point here is well taken.”

    1. Don't I know it. Gub'mint jobs that are available are going to Harvard, Yale, Georgetown, Michigan and Chicago. Those jobs were once reserved from us attorneys that went to nicely ranked selective schools, but not top schools. If you didn't want big law, corporate or In-House, it made sense to go to a lesser ranked, less expensive school. Today, non T-20 ranked, selective schools are lumped together with the non-selective Marshalls, Valops, SIU, NIU, and Cooleys of the word.

  10. Let’s take a quick look at the Law School Numbers profile for Valparai$o Univer$iTTTTy Law Sewer. Hold your nose, in order to blunt the sickening stench.

    “Valpo Law School Admissions

    Valpo Law School is considered a Somewhat Competitive law school, which accepts only 77% of its applicants. Comparatively, Valparaiso is Higher than the average cost for law school.

    Class of 2019

    Applications: 1467
    Offers: 1120 (76.35%)
    Matriculated : 163 (11.1%)
    25th percentile UGPA: 2.94
    Median UGPA: 3.16
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.48
    25th percentile LSAT: 145
    Median LSAT: 149
    75th percentile LSAT: 152”

    Yes, those are extremely impressive numbers, huh?!?! Are the pigs now recruiting semi-homeless people at welfare offices? Scroll down for this information:

    “Valpo Law School Employment

    Deciding to attend law school requires a large financial investment with the goal of securing employment upon graduation. The Valparaiso University class of 2014 had an employment rate of 74% with 1% pursuing an additional degree.”

    This is the reason to attend law school. Unless you are independently wealthy, NO ONE chooses to enroll in law school for anything other than obtaining employment – in a good career. Unfortunately, the legal job market is unstable. Look at the job prospects facing Valparaiso Law students and graduates. Keep in mind that Biglaw and federal positions are out of the question.

    These students are facing weak-ass employment possibilities. Plus, the percentage of the class finding a job – any damn job – within 9-10 months of earning their TTTT degree is pathetic! Do you still want to sign on the dotted line, cretin?!

  11. Which accepts "only" 77% of its applicants? "Only"?

    Since when did "only" start meaning a vast majority rather than a limited number?

  12. In light of all the available evidence, not just about Valpo but all the TTTs, people are still applying and attending. There is clearly a core group for whom no amount of evidence is persuasive. It seems almost hopeless.

  13. Did that dog eat at Taco Bell or something? Jee-zus.

  14. It is animal cruelty to feed a dog something that does that to them.

    Not illegal to over lend to children which makes them do that.

  15. Team AAMPLE:

    Anyone looking to bypass the LSAT and enter Law School please Look below for the rules, AAMPLE has done a good job at helping those who score low on a test and refuse to let one exam define them, and stand in their of destiny....
    In other words, since the below has been passed the LSAT is crap !!!

    **Standard 503. ADMISSION TEST

    A law school shall require each applicant for admission as a first-year J.D. degree student to take a

    valid and reliable admission test to assist the school and the applicant in assessing the applicant’s

    capability of satisfactorily completing the school’s program of legal education. In making admissions

    decisions, a law school shall use the test results in a manner that is consistent with the current

    guidelines regarding proper use of the test results provided by the agency that developed the test.

    Interpretation 503-1

    A law school that uses an admission test other than the Law School Admission Test sponsored by the

    Law School Admission Council shall demonstrate that such other test is a valid and reliable test to assist

    the school in assessing an applicant’s capability to satisfactorily complete the school’s program of legal


    Interpretation 503-2

    This Standard does not prescribe the particular weight that a law school should give to an applicant’s

    admission test score in deciding whether to admit or deny admission to the applicant.

    Interpretation 503-3

    (a) It is not a violation of this Standard for a law school to admit no more than 10% of an entering class

    without requiring the LSAT from:

    (1) Students in an undergraduate program of the same institution as the J.D. program; and/or

    (2) Students seeking the J.D. degree in combination with a degree in a different discipline.

    (b) Applicants admitted under subsection (a) must meet the following conditions:

    (1) Scored at or above the 85th percentile on the ACT or SAT for purposes of subsection (a)(1), or for

    purposes of subsection (a)(2), scored at or above the 85th percentile on the GRE or GMAT; and

    (2) Ranked in the top 10% of their undergraduate class through six semesters of academic work, or

    achieved a cumulative GPA of 3.5 or above through six semesters of academic work.

    1. Even if you get into law school pursuant to these rules, understand that it is not a reliable vehicle to a middle class income it once was. There is nothing wrong with attending law school. Just understand that. Just understand that there are 92,000 registered attorneys in Illinois alone. Look at the numbers in your State and pull open the phone book "Yellow Pages" to the lawyer section prior to submitting your application. You will be competing with desperate veterans and recent graduates for any shred of work or jobs. Good luck.

  16. If you go to a third-rate law school and expect a Biglaw job when you graduate, this is proof that you are not very bright, which is the reason you could only be admitted to a third-rate law school.

  17. Yeesh, we're a third of the way through 2016 and still no law school closings. No cut in federal money either.

    We are well past the point the DOE should be reasonably informed of the law school scam. Considering their access to information, they should have known long before 2010's NY Times article, but certainly they've had to have been on notice the past 5 years.

    Unless high level DOE members are jailed for their malfeasance, the only punishment suffered is by the scammed law school students. Everyone else walks away after having made a killing for decade(s).


  18. @ 1:12pm

    Not true. A law degree is a law degree. It really shouldn't matter what school you go to especially if you have connections. (Don't let standardized test, and passing exams fool you, the real world operates different from academia).

    Think about it. Over 150 law schools in the USA. They all (with exception of LA - they teach civil law) teach common law (Hope you understand the difference).

    Therefore all law school teach the same standard subjects, otherwise it would not be a law degree. Maybe variation when it comes to electives beyond the core subjects, etc... contracts,torts, blah blah blah .

    It's sad that as human's placing / pushing perception that they actually think there is a real difference between ALL of the law schools. Thanks US news for the misleading ranking system!

    Truthfully speaking, some of those law schools cheated by reporting misleading data to qualify for their ranked spots... which further supports the fact that the ranking system is absurd.

    This misplaced perception allows some schools to higher recruitment from firms than others and this is all human nature... One person thinks school ranked 25 is better than a tier 4 school, but in reality, they were:

    - trained the same
    - have the same knowledge
    - can do the same job

    it's sad they and you think the two above are not equally qualified. Jobs come down to two things.

    - Task - with legal training both should be fine here and some OJT (be creative to get this)

    - Results - not determined by school you attend but other qualities

    ***In conclusion, I think instead of being closed minded you should stand behind team AAMPLE and provide support.

    True story had a friend who graduated law school from number 18 ranked back in 2003, he had to move back home with his mom afterwards. Due to bad decisions he eventually was disbarred.

    Law school debt will sometimes push you to make questionable decisions. But also met another Tier 4 grad, who graduated from the same time and he is still trucking.

    Team AAMPLE, Old Guy - Do you concur ????

    1. Anecdotes are easy. As a recovering sh!tlawyer, I've seen it too. Still doesn't overcome the FACT that most of the time, attending a lower-tiered law school is a bad idea.

      Sure, I'll give you your one-off or the kid who will work for his uncle, or the hot chick (or "law hot" at least, who is, um, "mentored" by someone), then I'll show you the hundred or so who shouldn't have gone.

      Out of curiosity, what is your practice area?

  19. Sadly, many lemmings will continue to visits sites such as the one below - in order to decide between ABA-accredited toilets:

    "Fast Facts

    Things to consider between Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law and Valparaiso University School of Law:

    • Valparaiso University School of Law is more difficult to get in: (66.3% vs. 69.7% acceptance rate)
    • Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law has a higher employment rate: (87.5% vs. 72.7%)
    • Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law has a higher bar pass rate: (79.1% vs. 62.0%)
    • Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law offers cheaper resident tuition: ($25,625 vs. $40,372)
    • Valparaiso University School of Law offers cheaper nonresident tuition: ($40,372 vs. $45,210)
    • Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law has a higher median LSAT for admitted students: (152 vs. 145)
    • Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law has a higher median undergraduate GPA for admitted students: (3.34 vs. 2.93)
    • Valparaiso University School of Law has a lower student-faculty ratio: (14:1 vs. 23:1)
    • Both institutions have similar summer weather: (~71.5°F)
    • Valparaiso University School of Law has colder winter weather: (26.4°F vs. 29°F)"

    Apparently, these morons - with pathetic LSAT and UPGA scores - have not figured out that their are other options. They should focus on one in particular: getting a damn job. If they already are employed, they need to work hard and try to get promotions or network with others in their industry.


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