Thursday, July 28, 2016

TTT Smells of Desperation: Tier Tier Commode Vermont Law School Seeks Federal Loan for Debt Relief

Desperate-Ass Measures: On July 24, 2016, VT Digger re-published an article from Valley News reporter Matt Hongoltz-Hetling, under the headline “Vermont Law School Seeking Federal Loan to Ease Debt Costs.” Check out the following excerpt:

“Vermont Law School is hoping to borrow $15 million from the federal government to help restructure its debts and take advantage of lower interest rates.

VLS officials said the school has put the worst of its financial woes behind it, and the proposal would fund a land-lease transaction involving its 15-acre South Royalton campus.

“It means significant operating savings for VLS,” said [Pig] Lorraine Atwood, vice president of finance at the school, which she said currently spends about $1.2 million annually to service about $13.5 million in debt. 

The school, which has an annual budget of $28 million, is hosting a public information meeting at 5 p.m. Thursday at Oakes Hall about the plan, which would create a land-lease agreement with a separate entity, VLS Campus Holdings LLC.

The law school would continue to own its land and 22 buildings, which have a combined net book value of $22 million, according to Atwood. 

The school is seeking the loan from the USDA’s Rural Development Community Facilities Direct Loan Program, which develops “essential community facilities” in rural areas.” [Emphasis mine]

As you can see, the bitches and hags will do and say anything, in order to keep their turd law school afloat. Honestly, the swine would sell their filthy asses to Satan – in exchange for serious money. Later on, the piece contained this information:

“Atwood said the federal loan program has funds, but she was unsure as to whether the effort would bear fruit. 

“We don’t know if we’ll be successful, but we’re doing everything we can to qualify for it,” she said.

Atwood said the law school’s prominent role within the Royalton community makes it a good fit for the program.

The school operates the South Royalton Legal Clinic for low-income residents, a state library, a community day care center, and a fitness center, all of which are open to the community. It also has joint agreements with the town that support joint infrastructure and employs 135 faculty, not counting adjunct professors.” [Emphasis mine]

Yes, who gives a damn about those community facilities that actually serve people in rural areas, right?! These jackals would take money from children with cancer!

Other Coverage: On July 26, 2016, Kathryn Rubino posted an ATL entry labeled “Facing A Decline In Enrollment, Law School Seeks Federal Loan For Some Debt Relief.” Take a look at this beautiful opening:

“What would you do if enrollment at your law school had declined by 33% since 2011?

It certainly isn’t an enviable position to be in, but that is what is facing administrators at Vermont Law School. Though the enrollment rates have leveled off, the decrease in the amount of students paying tuition has left financial issues the school is still dealing with. VLS has a renowned environmental law program and is the only law school in the state of Vermont, but that hasn’t stopped it from hitting on hard times. 

One possible solution the school is trying is applying for a $15 million loan from the USDA’s Rural Development Community Facilities Direct Loan Program, which, at a lower interest rate than the $13.5 million in loans they currently have, would mean a reduction in the $1.2 million they pay annually to service the loans.

The USDA program may strike those unfamiliar with the institution as an awkward fit for a law school, but let’s not forget that Vermont Law School holds the distinction of being the American law school that is the furthest from a stop light (27 miles away). Ted Brady, state director of Vermont and New Hampshire for USDA Rural Development, agrees that VLS may just be a good fit for the program, as reported by VT Digger:

“Institutions of higher education are especially vital to rural communities,” Brady said. “Vermont Law School is a great example of an essential community facility that not only provides a vital service to Vermonters, but also anchors the community’s economy and culture.”

Their loan application includes provisions for a land-lease transaction for its 15-acre campus with a separate entity, VLS Campus Holdings LLC. According to Lorraine Atwood, vice president of finance at the school, VLS would continue to own the land and the buildings that make up the law school.” [Emphasis mine]

Of course, the cockroaches would continue to own the land and the buildings. What would you expect from such rent-seeking leeches?!?! “Law professors” and deans have NO INTEGRITY! Hell, they would gladly take money and food from malnourished infants. They wouldn’t miss a wink of sleep either. After all, it is better to use those resources on fat pigs, right?!?!?

Conclusion: You can bet your ass that the 132nd-ranked cesspit known as VermonTTTT Law Sewer will get the funds. The cockroaches will do whatever it takes to survive. They will enroll waterheads, admit a higher percentage of weaker applicant pools, merge, sell to an established college or univer$ity, start two-year JD programs, combined with colleges for 3+3 degrees, etc. Keep in mind that the USDA is run by spineless, ball-less nitwits, many of whom have the initials JD behind their names.


  1. This is actually a big deal, as my fellow readers weren't wrong-we're talking about the Dept of Agriculture, and funds intended for RURAL development. A law school sure fits that description.
    This is a variation on the argument made for keeping obsolete military bases open-even bases the military wants to close. Basically, the argument is that the base is the local "economic engine" and closing it would have catastrophic effects on the local economy. Of course that has nothing to do with national defense, but who is paying attention anyway?
    In VLS' case, it presents itself as both a local economic engine and a "community" fixture(the day care open to all, etc). So funds intended for rural economic purposes will instead go to keeping the dean and the professors in their cushy jobs.
    It would make more sense to close the school and divide the $15 million among the local residents-hey, give everybody a check-if the purpose were to keep the local economy healthy.
    Again, these are US Department of Agriculture funds-these guys will stop at nothing.
    The scam will never die.

    1. You nailed it 100%. These are zombie schools, almost impossible to kill even though they are already dead.

      Your military base analogy is spot-on. Many people's livelihoods depend on law schools surviving and these people aren't just going to give that up even if that is in society's best interest. It's not just the deans/profs with cushy six-figure jobs--it's also everyone in the community who depends on a law school population for their livelihood, alumni of the school who do not want its reputation sullied by closing, etc.

      Everyone has to earn a living somehow. You can't expect the law school constituency to just shrug and say "OK, our product is no longer necessary or desirable, so we will just close up and move on."

  2. Not exactly related to your post, Nando, but I wanted to post these excerpts from a report on careers that offer strong employment opportunities by Indeed, the job search engine, that was given a lot of press in the last couple of days by the Wall Street Journal.

    Indeed surveyed 800 careers and identified many of these as opportunity careers. Being a lawyer is not among the opportunity careers Indeed identified.

    This is a link to the report:

    This is what they have to say about lawyers:

    First, a discussion of one the three factors Indeed uses in identifying opportunity careers - supply vs. demand for labor with the requisite skills working in the job applicant's favor:

    "3. Talent mismatch
    The opportunity jobs market is more of a job seekers’ market. Employers have even higher rates of unfilled opportunity jobs than other jobs. For instance, speech-language pathologist roles, which are opportunity jobs, are much harder to fill than lawyer positions, a job that isn’t meeting the wage growth requirements for opportunity jobs.
    In the legal profession, an excess of lawyers has flattened the job market."

    A second factor Indeed looks at is wage growth since the year 2004. Lawyers have not experienced wage growth:

    "In some fields, the value
    of a skills specialization has been detrimental to wage growth—for instance, lawyers appear on our list of high-skill jobs failing to defeat wage stagnation."

    Indeed is talking about employed lawyers, and looking at the demand side of the legal profession. More than half of all lawyers are self-employed, and generally fare much worse than employed lawyers.

    As a T4 law school graduate with a similarly prestigious undergrad degree with honors, currently earning a little over $50,000 a year and a year out of looking for a better job, unsuccessfully, I can say that the legal profession is not viable for most people. An elite law degree, even when coupled with a very elite undergraduate degree, often does not produce a viable legal career today because of the lawyer glut.

    The fact that the legal profession is not viable for most people hits not when you are young but when you are too old or too indebted to make a switch to another lucrative career.

    I could have gone to medical school, easily, but found I could not work beyond my early 50s in the legal profession in any type of viable, sustainable job. The work was not there for us, and the up or out system gave our jobs to a new generation of lawyers.

    Many of my contemporaries are losing lawyer jobs because the work is just not there, and the law school, up or out cartel keeps dumping a huge number of highly trained, expensively educated former big law lawyers in my practice area that the job market cannot absorb.

    The Indeed study should be a warning not to waste your life on a T3 or T6 law school unless you are very exceptional, in your studies, in popularity and most of all in selling your services to other people. You are playing your future at a casino by going to a top law school, and this study confirms the structural issues the legal profession is suffering from.

  3. There's a recent saying, almost a meme, in Poker: "Just fold d00d.."

    I wish Vermont Sewer of Law would do just that: Fold.

    Just.. Close.. Down.

    The "environmental law" / "save the dolphins / planet" schtick doesn't seem to be working anymore - at least not at the obscene tuition rates they're now charging.

    Just close down and do everyone who matters a big, phat, fucking favor - young people who have a future lest they hear the school's Siren Call and doom themselves.

    I couldn't care less about the overpaid, underworked law prawfs, the school's administration, the surrounding rural community who, knowing the law student Lemmings are a captive market probably ass-fucks them over real good for rents, etc.

    "Just fold d00d."

  4. This school and other law schools exist for one reason only: To take in Fed. Loan Dollars. I was going to write "to take your money" except that would be incorrect. It's not even your money, Lemming.

    You are borrowing it in the hope of being able to pay it back.

    Let's look at 2 links:


    Even their hokey Distance Program costs $40,000+.. Some bargain.. Where's the savings in these online degrees? Not from these shysters, you won't get it. You have to pay..

    575 x 40k per SEMESTER = 23 MILLION x 2 = 46 MILLION PER YEAR.

    They COULD easily pay off all their debts.

    Where is the money going?

    Right into the pockets of faculty and administration, you idiot Lemmings.

    They are a non-profit. They don't pay taxes. You will, along with your student loans. Be assured of that.

    It's all bullshit..

    This dump, and other law skool dumps, are Money Machines that spend like water on themselves and don't care where the money comes from or who they destroy, only that the money keeps flowing.

    1. .. And, sorry. I effed that one up. It's 46K per year so:

      Roughly 24-25 Mill. per Year.

      Checking back over the link, it's for 2 semesters. That cost seemed off.. Oh well, wait 5 more years.. at the pace tuition is increasing, it'll be accurate soon enough..

      Still, they have more than enough to pay down their debt. Again, I ask: Where IS the money going?

      $25 Mill per year or thereabouts - and no tax - is a hefty haul.

      This place was doing even more during the peak years leading to 2010. Almost double, like many other schools.

      Saving the whales has never been so profitable.

  5. Vermont Law Skool and every single other fucking ABA law school exists for one reason:

    (Get a pen and pad, and write this down)

    To support lazy professors, deans and other useless staff.

    They do not exist to help the students. They're putting you $200K in the hole before you even enter the profession. (And most law skools provide you with shit job prospects.) Does that sound like they're out for you, dumbshit? Does it?

  6. My father was a USDA regional exec for years. These programs were designed for ESSENTIAL services, like EMS, fire dept, hospitals, rural water, and the like. But, a lot of that infrastructure has been built already, so USDA Rural Development has programs in search of problems, in order to defend their budgets and defend their turf. What rural America really needs is high-speed internet access, not some pathetic joke of a law school that produces unemployable clods.

    1. Here's a more direct link about the costs and .. there's that 72K figure, bold in black.

      Real numbers and - real victims.

  7. This school is a shithole. Which means they'll still charge $40k per yer.

  8. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingJuly 29, 2016 at 4:09 AM

    Fifteen million dollars does not seem like much money for an institution. This school sounds like it is in trouble like Sears and Kmart.

  9. They could add Vermonter Bernie Sanders to their adjunct faculty. He could teach election law. He'd be a big hit with the greens up there.

  10. Vermont has some pretty scenery and can make for a nice vacation, but living there is something else. You can’t earn a decent living in Vermont unless you have some kind of government job (state trooper, teacher etc ...). Other than that, it’s low paying jobs in seasonal tourism or working the cash register at a fucking Dunkin Donuts. A lot of people just give up and go on the dole. The state also has a huge drug problem - mostly heroin. Spend some time in Brattleboro or St. Johnsbury and can’t help but notice dirty smack-head hippies all over the place. Drive around and you will see plenty of rural poverty too - run down houses with rusty lawn tractors and dirt bikes for sale in the front yard. A lot of houses just get abandoned - someone died and nobody wanted to buy their rat trap house for any price. Anyone with any ambition or brains gets the hell out of there as soon as they can. My cousins grew up in Vermont, and that’s what they did.

    Think hard lemming, does this sound like the kind economic environment that will provide a lot of well paying legal jobs? And bear in mind, nobody outside of Vermont is going to hire a grad from this third tier slag heap. If you finish at the tippy top of the class, you may be able to land a job with a reputable firm in Burlington or some kind of government attorney position. Other than that, you end up making next to nothing as a solo practitioner who has to take a second job at gas station Subway sandwich shop in order to make ends meet.

    1. 7:23 AM is right.

      The "successful" attorneys and others I see are just shifting gov't deck chairs on the S.S. Public Service Titanic.

      No one with any brains aims for the private sector anymore because they have figured out that those jobs go to the top and/or connected people. They are reserved in a sense and unavailable. Gov't jobs used to be looked down upon but now they are the cream and that speaks volumes about the modern Western economies and what's wrong with them.

      The successful ones aimed for gov't jobs and were able to squeeze in and keep them. They also, probably, had some type of in because these jobs are no longer easy to achieve and super-competitive.

      The larger context: Like Puerto Rico, this won't continue forever. It can't. But for the time being, those in gov't will opt for PSLF and we'll see if they can "collect" at the end of the 10 years or if the gov't changes the rules.

      Like 7:23 am wrote, a very likely outcome from this dump is a struggling solo in the private sector with $240G in debt combined from ls and undergrad who will never pay off the loans and has to take second or 3rd jobs to scrape by.

      The fabric of the US is nearly destroyed. We're one step away from Banana Republic status and complete breakdown. People controlling the levers of power push education as a way to win like Blackjack was in 1965..

      Another entry here has a comment about the whites wising up a little and I agree:

      The scammers had to move down the ladder a peg and now push for "diversity" to increase the flow a little due to the loss of average white students.

  11. It is crazy to keep this place open as a law school.

    Maybe there is a demand for retraining of current lawyers who cannot get jobs and need to start in a new field. Not sure education helps. It is mostly job experience that helps.

    They should keep the place as a community center, library and the like and as a low income law clinic if they can get funding for those things. The low income law clinic does not need to be tied to a law school, nor does a community center or library.

    Creating 135 faculty jobs is not a reason to keep open law schools that damage students and the American economy by creating hundreds of thousands structurally unemployed or underemployed lawyers who do not have the training to get a job where there is actually more demand than supply of workers.

  12. Aw, what a cute little piggy, especially with that knife in his grip...

    And yeah, seriously, screw the lol $kool toilet for doing this, and screw its sick defenders too.

  13. Students just want what’s free
    But they can give it to the birds and bees
    VLS needs money (that's what we want)
    That's what we want (that's what we want)

    Students’ studying gives us such a thrill
    But studying doesn’t pay our bills
    VLS needs money (that's what we want)
    That's what we want (that's what we want)

    Money don't get everything, it's true
    But what it don't get, we can't use
    VLS needs money (that's what we want)
    That's what we want (that's what we want)

    Money (that's what we want)
    Lots of money (that's what we want)
    All of your money (that's what we want)
    Aha (that's what we want)
    Aha ha ha ha ha(that's what we want)
    Whoa yeah (that's what we want)

    w/apologies to Barret Strong, Berry Gordon, Jr., Jannie Bradford, not to mention the Beatles

  14. What do you expect from a TTT law school? These guys would accept a pumpkin.


    Back on December 23, 2015, the USDA blog featured an entry labeled "Growing Areas of the Law." It was posted by Kim Kaplan, Public Affairs Specialist in the Agricultural Research Service. Here is a nice portion:

    "Success in any part of agriculture today means being able to successfully navigate local, state and federal laws and regulations — from water rights to food safety regulations, from crop insurance to organic certification.

    To help people find such legal information, the National Agricultural Library (NAL) has recently developed the Agricultural Law Information Partnership website. This partnership is a collaboration between NAL, the National Agricultural Law Center at the University of Arkansas System Division of Agriculture (NALC), and the Center for Agriculture and Food Systems (CAFS) at the Vermont Law School.

    For each subject area, the Agricultural Law Information Partnership website provides an overview and a portal to a wide range of resources for farmers, producers, consumers, researchers and legal professionals. The initial topics include animal welfare, organic food, food production and sales regulations, new farmer, veterans farming, and water quality and quantity laws. More areas will be added as new material becomes available.

    While users cannot consider the information on the website to be legal advice, all content is reviewed before it is added by law librarian Kirstin Nelson, who coordinates the new program for NAL.

    The partnership not only gathers links to legal resources but also funds research projects that fill gaps in available information and the development of new tools.

    The first two of these are already completed and available online: the National Gleaning Project and the Farmland Tenure Resource Project, both initiatives of the Center for Agriculture and Food Systems."

    It seems that VermonTTT Law Sewer already has a nice relationship with the US Department of Agriculture. The pigs will get their filthy hooves on that loan. Thanks for applying, everyone else.

  16. The idea of USDA dollars being used to prop up a TTT totally unnecessary law school should be unbelievable-but it's (third tier) reality in the USA 2016. If VLS successfully taps into these funds-and it will-word will get out to all the other TTTs who will soon be lining up at USDA's door. When(actually, if) that well of $$$ runs dry, how many other seemingly unrelated funds are available to be raided? Since we're talking about the federal govt, there are enormous loan programs available-hell, why can't a TTT apply for an SBA loan for some new certificate program? Or apply for a grant from the Dept of Energy for its new "energy law" program? Or from NOAA for its new "climate change" program? The possibilities are endless.
    The scammers are highly adaptable-that's why the scam will never die.

    1. Exactly. This would be a perversion of the purpose of the program. But all that means is that there's really no separation between gov't and corporations and they have a very cozy relationship, assuming this does indeed go through.

      On another note: Take a peek back at the estimated costs of attendance for Vt. Law and look at the estimated 1-yr. living expenses.

      $22,500 for ONE Year.

      As I said in an earlier post, the landlords in this 0.5 horse town know they have a lock on the captive-prey students and are charging absolutely crazy money for the 3 years they have them. This (cough!) "town" is making a mint off the young victims. The Scam is benefiting everyone from the old codger Dean right on down..

      So, let's add it all up:

      22,500 + 47K tuition and it's really like $25K living exp. so that's == 72K PER YEAR or (x3) == 216 GRAND for 3 years here and this is *excluding* any undergrad debt.

      You have to ask if this school is really worth it..

  17. One can do anythign with a law degree. If you're tired of having a successful legal career you can do any of the following: be an actor (Fred Thompson), successful author (John Grisham), politician (too many to name, and many from TTTs) business owner, oil baron (Richard Kinder), billionaire (S. Robson Walton), NFL executive (Art Rooney II of the Steelers), NFL commissioner (Paul Tagliabue), Super Bowl winning QB (Steve Young), MLB commissioner (Fay Vincent), MLB baseball manager (Tony LaRussa), MLB team owner (Peter Angelos), NBA commissioner (David Stern and Adam Silver, ka-ching!) news reporter (Geraldo Rivera), talk show host (Jerry Springer), singer (Julio Iglesias). The list goes on and on. It just goes to show that you can do whatever you wanna do with your law degree. The sky's the limit. Still taking applications for Fall 2016.

    Les Morals, president and dean of the BOHICA (Bend Over Here It Comes Again) School of Law

    1. A human being (lawyer) should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.

      Specialization is for insects.

      -Robert A. Heinlein

    2. Kids, at 9:44 pm can be seen a truly CLASSIC example of The Law School Scam as put forth by the law school industrial complex.

      Whatever you do, first, decide if you really want to be a lawyer and what that actually entails. Then, strive for an LSAT that will put your ass in the seat of at least a T14. Last, if you don't get into one of those, DROP THE HELL OUT if your first-year grades are not in the top ten percent of any TTT's class, unless you have substantial contacts and connections to the legal community.

      That is all. It's really that simple.


    On May 26, 2016, the VT Digger re-posted a Valley News article from reporter Rob Wolfe, under the header "Vermont Law School President to Step Down Next Year." Enjoy this opening:

    "Marc Mihaly, who has served as president and dean of Vermont Law School since 2012, plans to step down next year.

    Mihaly is scheduled to leave office after the 2016-17 academic year, though he will remain on the faculty afterward.

    “I just decided that I really wanted to spend more time with my family,” Mihaly, who is nearing 70, said in a telephone interview Wednesday. His first grandchild was born a few months ago.

    Mihaly arrived at VLS in 2004 and soon rose to lead the school’s Environmental Law Center.

    “Many in our community admire his leadership and innovative thinking,” VLS spokeswoman Maryellen Apelquist said.

    In 2012, Mihaly took over for retiring president and dean Jeff Shields, who had held the post for eight years.

    He had a strong headwind to contend with: At the time, VLS’s first-year student enrollment was at a five-year low.

    In the Wednesday interview, Mihaly expressed pride in VLS’s performance after the 2008 recession, which he said had been “tough for law schools,” and in its growth as a regional institution."

    You "work" as the dean of an ABA-accredited law school, Bitch. I doubt that is keeping you away from your family. Plus, you are still planning to remain as a "professor" after next year, even though you are approaching 70, cockroach. House cats work harder than your ass. Perhaps, several years of cutting staff and faculty - and seeing your enrollment drop further - has finally taken its toll."

  19. The concluding paragraphs of the VT Digger re-published story above include this gem:

    "Another member of the VLS leadership team is leaving her position this year: Jackie Gardina, vice dean for faculty and a professor of law, plans to take a job in California at the Santa Barbara and Ventura Colleges of Law, according to [VL$ spokeswoman Maryellen] Apelquist.

    “This is a professionally and personally exciting opportunity for Dean Gardina,” Apelquist said in an email. “We’re proud of her and wish her well.”

    Gardina could not be reached for comment. Her faculty page lists her specialties as civil procedure, administrative law, bankruptcy and sexual orientation and gender identity issues; it also mentions numerous honors for teaching, including six VLS Student Bar Association Faculty Service Member Awards.

    The departures of Mihaly and Gardina as administrators will “present a real challenge to VLS,” [adjunct "professor" Donald] Kreis said, “because it’s losing both of its key leaders, almost at the same time.”

    Mihaly said the search process for his successor likely will begin over the summer and involve representatives from the VLS board of directors, faculty, staff and student body."

    That speaks volumes! The commode is losing its vice dean for faculTTTy, because she has chosen to go the to the non-ABA accredited Santa Barbara & Ventura Colleges of Law.

    "For 45 years, The Santa Barbara & Ventura Colleges of Law, a nonprofit, regionally accredited law school, has prepared graduates for successful careers in law-related fields through a collaborative learning environment that fosters understanding of the law through discussion and engagement. Our school is accredited by both the Western Association of Schools & Colleges Senior College and University Commission and the Committee of Bar Examiners of the State Bar of California."


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