Saturday, September 24, 2016

Not So Shocking News: States Reporting Lower Bar Passage Rates Again, and ABA Will Keep Accrediting Law Schools

Rates Drop Yet Again: On September 21, 2016, the ABA Journal posted a Debra Cassens Weiss article, under the headline “Several states report lower bar pass rates for July exam.” Here is the full text below:

“Bar exam pass rates have fallen in at least seven out of 13 states that have so far reported July results.

A higher average score was cited in August for this year’s Multistate Bar Exam in July. The news signaled a possible end to the decline in bar passage rates. But the most recent figures, reported by, suggest the optimism may have been unwarranted.

In Iowa, the bar pass rate fell to 71 percent, from 86 percent on last year’s exam. In Indiana, the bar pass rate fell to 61 percent, from 74 percent. In a larger jurisdiction—Florida—the decline was slight, with the passage rate dropping to 68.2 percent, from 68.9 percent last year. 

Other jurisdictions reporting a decline in test scores are Washington state, Missouri, North Dakota and Oregon, according to 

Bar exam pass rates increased slightly in Idaho, Kansas and West Virginia, and remained the same in Oklahoma. North Carolina and Arkansas released bar exam results but did not provide overall passage rates. spoke with Pepperdine law professor Derek Muller about the disconnect between the higher MBE scores and the continued decline in bar pass rates in the states reporting the results so far. Muller blogs at Excess of Democracy. 

One possibility, Muller says, is that strong students who were destined to pass the bar exam studied even harder, raising the average MBE score but not raising bar pass rates overall. Another possibility, he said, “is that we’re just seeing unlucky jurisdictions and the scores will go way up in California and New York.” [Emphasis mine]

Let’s see how it takes for the law school pigs to cry about how the bar exam is becoming too difficult for graduates. Does anyone want to guess which particular swine leads the charge, i.e. open letter co-signed by other academic thieves?

ABA Cockroaches Can Continue to Accredit Cesspits: On September 23, 2016, the ABA Journal featured a Stephanie Francis Ward piece that was entitled “ABA won’t be suspended from accrediting new law schools.” Check out this opening:

“The U.S. Department of Education will not implement a panel recommendation that called for suspending the ABA from accrediting new law schools for one year.

In a letter sent to Barry Currier, managing director of the ABA Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar, Emma Vadehra, the department’s chief of staff, wrote that she was accepting the recommendation of department staff to allow the ABA to continue accrediting new law schools rather than the recommendation for a one-year suspension made by the National Advisory Council on Institutional Quality and Integrity. 

The recommendations centered on a question of whether the ABA was in compliance with federal regulations regarding mandates that accrediting agencies monitor and re-evaluate programs, and that they enforce standards. The department staff did not find enough evidence in the record that the ABA was out of compliance with either of those mandates, according to Vadehra’s Sept. 22 letter to Currier. 

The National Advisory Committee on Institutional Quality and Integrity made its recommendation during a June 22 hearing. Discussion included the need for response to increasing law school costs, high student debt and lack of lawyer jobs. Some panel members expressed concern that no law schools have had ABA accreditation withdrawn over the past five years, and that the organization continues to accredit new law schools. 

Out of 10 panel members, six voted in favor of the panel’s recommendation.” [Emphasis mine]

This does not surprise anyone. The gutless, toothless Department of Education does not want to make an example of the decrepit American Bar A$$ociation – even though the cockroaches will accredit anything. Just take a look at this small sampling of rancid toilets: Cooley, TJ$L, WhiTTTTier, Pace, TTTTouro, Arizona $ummit, Florida International, Western New England “University,” John Marshall Law School, University of St. Thomas.

Graduates of these rotting stink piles have NO SHOT IN HELL of landing Biglaw or federal employments, yet they still accrue outrageous sums of NON-DISCHARGEABLE debt for their worthless law degrees. Their best potential outcome is to land employment in a toiletlaw firm, representing broke-ass clients in family law or criminal defense matters.

Conclusion: ABA-accredited law schools are collectively admitting dumber applicants into their “legal education” programs. This is well documented, people. They are doing so, because fewer people are interested in law school. However, the bitches and hags still need to get more asses in seats, so that they can get their paws on more federal student loan money. Again, the law school pigs DO NOT GIVE ONE GODDAMN ABOUT YOU, the student or recent graduate. You are a mere means to an end, chump. The schools pump and dump thousands of students each year – without regard to the prevailing job market for lawyers. After all, they get paid up front, in full – while you get the “privilege” of paying dearly for your dumb decision, for the next 20-30 years.


  1. Just shocking...ok, it's not; the ABA-run cartel will still take care of its own, allowing them to lower standards to the point where it's pretty much open admissions at some of the TTTs.

    Nando-you've been predicting this for years. Now that Miss Cleo is gone, maybe you should offer your services to the Psychic Readers Network-at least some of their customers may actually listen. With the increase in LS applications this past year, it's pretty clear that most of the lemmings aren't.

  2. Hi there, Nando, sorry I've been away so long (Real Life, great new job, etc.), but I just wanted to say...

  3. Letting literally anyone into law school is a scam. It is demeaning to the entire profession. Why not just give out JDs like toys in cereal boxes. It has been 25 years since I became a lawyer. Over 80-85 percent of my class passed the bar the first try. I went to a bottom of the barrel two tier. These schools, Cooley etc make my school look like Harvard.

    1. I fully agree. Every lawyer worthy of the name should denounce this business of admitting every Tom, Dick, and Harry to law school. The profession, if such it be, should uphold high standards. Currently it seems to be upholding hardly any meaningful standards at all.

  4. Thanks for the blog. I quit law school in my first week. Realized my heart wasn't into it. Thank goodness my company took me back. Just finished my first week back and it went okay. I had one guy in accounting call me Mr. Law School, and I kind of wanted to slug him. But I let it go. Pretty much everyone was cool.

  5. Come on. I bet when shopping around for attorney's to help resolve your legal issue, you cannot tell the difference between the lawyer with the low GPA and low LSAT score, and the lawyer with better credentials.

    All JD's are equal. It's such a pity that so much value is placed on "perception". When the Harvard grad wants to practice law in Florida... guess what, he must take and pass the same Florida Bar exam as the FAMU law grads!

    Take the bar once, twice, who cares... as long as you do not give up. Bar /Bri summarizes the last 3 years of law school in a canned format. So lets keep this all the way 100.

    Everyone deserves the chance to pursue their dreams as a lawyer. Historians will only be able to judge and say if this was a good practice or not.

    Come on when i get a DUI, do I want the guy from the 1st Tier one school like Seton Hall, or the guy from FAMU...... wait for it.... I really do not care which school you went to.

    I want results, good customer service, and an affordable price(stop charging so much, I will go to the next guy for a few bucks cheaper). Put that in your tail pipe and smoke it!

    1. You miss the point - of severe attorney oversupply. 1.3 million licensed lawyers for 780,000 jobs. Only 60% of law grads can get JD required full time permanent positions their first year out because there are almost double the number of law grads as JD required full time permanent jobs.

      The 1.8 million JD degrees awarded in the last 40 or so years at ABA accredited schools vs 780,000 jobs is a human tragedy.

      You are dealing with huge unemployment and underemployment in the legal profession. Harvard Law graduates with honors cannot find any work at all as lawyers, let alone full time permanent work as lawyers. You have an up or out system that pushes half the lawyers who start in big law out of the legal profession altogether. They are headhunters or real estate brokers or running antiques stores. There is not enough work for even half of the lawyers who have graduated from law school in the last 40 years.

      On top of this severe and worsening lawyer oversupply, some bozo in the Department of Education takes it upon themselves to reverse a body appointed to make recommendations on accreditors of educational institutions? Why is she qualified to overturn this accrediting body. What does she know about law schools that the accrediting body missed?

      It is an outrage that this moron in the Department of Education was given this power.

    2. If I have a high profile matter where the stakes are big, yes I look at where the lawyer went to school.

      If I have a substantial estate and want to be sure it is handled right - my money goes to the right persons, taxes minimized, I am going to go to a highly recommended lawyer.

      Same if I am selling my business, forming my business or my business is potentially getting sued.

      Most of the lawyers who are successful in larger law firms and in medium sized firms have a prestige undergrad degree or a prestige or moderately prestigious law degree, if not a degree from one of the top 25 law schools.

      Yes, there are exceptions, mostly people who came from public universities and colleges and could not pay for private, but in big cities, it is going to be very hard to get a job where you can make a living without one of those prestige degrees at some level unless you can make the point that you grew up without much opportunity for a strong private school at some level.

      If you are taking about a DUI, a lawyer from these top schools who does criminal matters will handle higher level criminal matters most of the time. Yes, they will take an occasional DUI, but that is not where a criminal lawyer from a relatively strong background is going to make their living. There are bigger fish to fry, and the lawyer with the strong background will get the complex criminal work.

      If you went to nothing but low ranked schools, you may be begging for any DUI that comes in the door and will be lucky to get that work as a severely underemployed solo or micro firm lawyer.

      You surely have not made a case for opening more low ranked law schools.

      Taking the bar multiple times is a very expensive venture - who is going to pay for that? Do you think a lawyer from a low ranked law school and college will be an attractive job candidate 3 or 4 years after graduating from law school, having worked in retail for those three or four years?

    3. The difference is, of course, the impressively wider array of choices the Harvard grad will have upon graduation.

      It is in getting those initial experiences, quality experiences, right out of school (you know, like the Harvard grad will have!)that determines the whole trajectory of ones career.

      Law is a prestige-based "profession".

      Anyone who has actually practiced law knows how important the pedigree is, at least in determining what those first, crucial experiences will be upon exiting school. Remember kids, those first nine months after graduation (with exceptions, of course) mean everything, and quality schools, the Harvards, the Columbias, the Michigans, own that stuff.

      Take Mr. 3:11's advice very cautiously; I doubt this person has ever practiced!

    4. Someone that gets DUIs and then hires an inexperienced lawyer that has no reputation or pedigree shows a consistent pattern of poor decision making, and likely will not have the money to pay said attorney anyway.

      Those are the precise types of people that feel entitled to free legal services, because lawyers "make lots of money and have to do pro bono". Not to mention how ill equipped said debt ridden graduate is to just pick up business and try to handle it on their own.

      If you could just go out there and start any business you wanted with no experience, contacts or funding, nobody would go to school in the first place. Everyone would just start their own investment bank or something.

      People go to school to get better opportunity to learn a career and then somewhere down the line start their own practice if things look like they'll work. Otherwise the debt and time wasted is idiotic.

      Law school is a terrible idea for most people. If you're not connected, at the least you need to go to an elite law school. The lower you are on the social/economic scale, the better the school needs to be. Law schools sell the opposite, because they don't care, and only the lowest rung of people nowadays can be so ill informed to think law school is a good bet for them.

  6. You post here frequently, and it's clear that you won't let the facts get in your way. A few points:
    Like it or not, law firms are prestige hounds; graduating from the top schools, fairly or not, gives the graduate much higher odds of getting a job.
    Regarding re-takes-what you don't realize-or don't care to realize-is that re-taking the Bar costs thousands of dollars. The re-take BAR/BRI price is $2600; the cost to apply to take the test in most states is $500(and up). So that's over 3k, not including any travel costs to the Bar exam site for the multiple day exam. And not including any time lost.

    You really have no idea about the costs associated with attending law school or taking the Bar. It's all a fantasy to you, like on TV.
    But here's a start: why don't you start co-signing law school loans? Post your contact information and prospective applicants will be able to contact you directly. Otherwise, posting as you do is indefensible. Taking you advice will lead only to financial Hell.

  7. In the end, it doesn't matter if the spineless DoE does nothing - the gravy train is about to get derailed for a lot of these shitty law schools anyway. I look forward to seeing how far the LSAT and GPA figures for this year's 1L class drop.

  8. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingSeptember 25, 2016 at 3:42 PM

    Even us guys in the "trenches" (what the big boys call "Shit Law") taking two bill retail thefts and three bill DUI's know what the unranked law schools look like. We talk about the Cooleys, Marshalls, Arizona Summits and a whole host of other no-name Law High Schools. I know one other guy who went to Florida Costal and readily admits that his school was not a "real school." Being an attorney was his second career. He used his pension to go to Florida and study on the beach. He knows the limitations of his degree. He is looking for the big plane crash..."What the hell is his position." Same thing as the ads from a 50-70s Popular Mechanics magazine.


    Today, Paul Caron posted a TaxProf blog entry entitled "LSAC Rescinds Threat (For One Year) To Stop Certifying Matriculant Admissions Data In Response To Law Schools' Use Of GRE." Here is the full text of that article:

    "Following up on my previous post, the LSAC has backed off its threat, for one year, to stop certifying matriculant data in response to the use of the GRE rather than the LSAT in law school admissions:

    At the beginning of August, we wrote to you to explain that as a result of uncertainty surrounding the use of alternative admissions tests and concern that LSAT score-certification would no longer present an accurate and complete picture of law school matriculants, the LSAC Board had authorized the suspension of the score certification service. At that time, we asked for your input and the input of your deans, and although there was some variation in responses, much of the input conveyed disappointment at the suspension of the service and support for continuation of the service without interruption.

    We also approached the leadership of the Council of the ABA Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar to try to resolve the uncertainty that had led to our Board’s decision. A conversation with the Section leadership has given us a reasonably high level of confidence that the Council will resolve the uncertainty at its December meeting. Based on this understanding, the LSAC Board has agreed to continue the LSAT score certification service for the class that entered in 2016. Should the ABA fail to resolve the uncertainty by the time it is necessary to certify scores for the 2017 entering class, the Board would likely suspend the service at that time."

    What did you expect from the Law $chool Admi$$ion Council? They are not going to risk giving up their income from front end of the law school scam. Hell, they would rather certify LSAT scores as well as GRE results for the pigs.

  10. The smart people stopped going to law school years ago. If I need a lawyer, I would not look at just the school the person went to, but also when s/he graduated. I wouldn't hire anyone who graduated in 2011 or later on the ground that they knew about the cost/outcome/debt situation before enrolling, and lacked the good sense to stay away. People who cannot analyze a risk situation and make a good decision FOR THEMSELVES are certainly not going to work for me!
    The whole law school mess is propped up by the massive Federal lending (you taxpayers). If that trough could be eliminated, the whole house of cards that is the continued existence of many, many law schools would come crashing down, and tuitions at the surviving schools would go down rapidly to something closer to what the J.D. from each particular school is actually worth. In other words, a J.D. from Podunk Law School is not worth the same as a J.D. from HYS, because the employment and salary outcomes are very different, so the tuition at Podunk would drop to maybe about half of the tuition at HYS.
    The simple economics of tuition=value of the J.D. gets really distorted because the easy Federal money makes going to law school possible, and people go on the hope that the shrinking legal jobs market will be better in 3 years. The heavy tuition discounting now going on shows where the sticker prices are headed once the fat Federal checks stop coming in.

    1. Old Ruster:

      Don't be a D-Bag, A JD is a JD. Having more affordable options (when most lawyers try to screw you and take your money) is actually a good thing, the competition will actually keep prices down, and discourage bogus billed time.

      As stated before, tuition needs to be set along FAMU Law School and the other HCBU's.

      In closing, I'd rather take my chances with the job market, with an HCBU with less debt, then the other $45k to $50k a year tuition charging law schools.

      NANDO... you need to do a better job at encouraging the HCBU's. Yeah employment might be questionable, but they are NOT screwing their grads with tons of debt.

      HCBU = the lesser of two evils. At least they have a fighting chance.

      Old Guy... Do you Concur ???

    2. are a slow, slow learner.
      It's Historically Black Colleges and Universities...HBCU.
      You have no idea what it means to practice law, or actually hold a job, apparently. Bills-including LS debt-have to be paid, and if you can't get a job, you can't pay your bills. And your love of FAMU is puzzling-for the most recent FLA Bar exam, 48% flunked. Since you are very slow to catch on, that means they can't practice law, period. And OOS tuition and fees for FAMU is $34,000/year(IS is $14,000; neither figure includes what FAMU calls "education costs" and FAMU figures to be $27,000/yr); either way, if you flunk the bar, you're not practicing law. So you've got debt and a worthless degree.
      You're a troll calling anyone a "D-Bag", whatever you think that means.
      All your advice would do is consign people to debt Hell.
      So when are you going to start co-signing LS loans? If LS is such a good investment, then you should be eager to do so.

    3. Anonymous at 2:31:
      My comment did not address HBCUs, and I do not appreciate your offensive departure from civil discourse in the first line of your "response" to my comment.

    4. A JD is not just a JD. What if you learned that the brakes and airbags on your car were designed by an ITT grad? Or a plane, road, building, water system? An engineer is just an engineer, right? By the way, isn't it HBCU? You keep messing that up in all of your posts. Low fees (prices) brings on desperation and low quality. It is not worth it to go to court at certain point, so there will be no representation. I would rather sit home and not face the risks of a bar beef from some client who low balled me on a DUI.

    5. While I'm not sure what an HCBU is, I DO know from being in the trenches of sh!tlaw that all jd's are not created equal. Where one goes to school in a prestige-based profession like law, (with exceptions of course for exceptional people)means a whole lot. It determines the starting point for all your professional experiences immediately after lol school. See anyone on SCOTUS lately not from an Ivy? Didn't think so.

  11. This blog is becoming too depressing to read. There is nothing worse than government complicity in screwing students over.

    Also, congratulations on reaching five million views.


    Take a look at some of the trash pits on this list furnished by the ABA cockroaches. Impressive, huh?!?!

    "ABA-Approved Law Schools

    Number of Law Schools

    A total of 205 institutions are ABA-approved: 204 confer the first degree in law (the J.D. degree); the other ABA approved school is the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General's School, which offers an officer's resident graduate course, a specialized program beyond the first degree in law. Four of the 205 law schools are provisionally approved.

    Provisionally Approved Law Schools (+):

    +Concordia University School of Law
    +Indiana Tech Law School
    +Lincoln Memorial University Duncan School of Law
    +University of Massachusetts School of Law-Dartmouth

    Law Schools on Probation (**):


    Rating of Law Schools

    No rating of law schools beyond the simple statement of their accreditation status is attempted or advocated by the official organizations in legal education. Qualities that make one kind of school good for one student may not be as important to another. The American Bar Association and its Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar have issued disclaimers of any law school rating system. Prospective law students should consider a variety of factors in making their choice among schools."

    Not one single damn law school is on probation, despite still producing misleading statistics - or by ridiculously low bar passage rates. That speaks volumes about the extent of the scam.

  13. The guy in the pic must've gone to Cooley.


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