Wednesday, October 12, 2016

No Honor Among Academic Thieves: Law School Pigs Admit That There Are Too Many Damn Law Schools


http://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/law-schools-agree-there-are-too-many-law-schools/

The Swines’ True Colors Revealed: Actually, the only color these whores care about is green! Student loan money is their god. Anyway, on October 6, 2016, Kathryn Rubino posted an ATL entry labeled “Law Schools Agree: There Are Too Many Law Schools.” Take a look at this opening:

“Finally, we get a chance to look behind the curtain and find out what law schools really think. These seemingly inscrutable actors have tremendous pull on the overall direction of the legal profession, but, hidden behind a veil of bureaucracy and academia, observers are often left to reverse engineer their motivations and opinions. But no more, finally they speak. 

Well, sort of. Kaplan Test Prep conducted a survey of law school admissions officers, and participation was high: 

For the 2016 survey, 111 of the 205 American Bar Association-accredited law schools were polled by telephone between August and September 2016. Included among the 111 are 12 of the top 25 law schools, as ranked by U.S. News & World Report

So, what exactly did they say? Here’s the big one: 65 percent of schools surveyed agree it “would be a good idea if at least a few law schools closed.” I suppose none of the schools that answered in the affirmative think their institution should be the one that is shuttered. At a time when law schools are said to be in the midst of a “a brain drain” with high quality potential applicants eschewing the law school life, this provides some valuable insight. It seems most schools recognize just because a student has the ability to take on educational loans for law school doesn’t mean they should be going to law school. Churning out graduates for the sake of the churn doesn’t benefit the profession. 

Despite this welcomed bit of realism, another data point suggests that even though they recognize more law students for the sake of law students isn’t always a good thing, getting schools to do something about it is more challenging. 

24 percent of law schools cut the number of seats for their 2016 class of first-year students, lower than the 35 percent who reported doing so for the 2015 class of 1Ls and and the 54 percent who did for the 2014 class.” [Emphasis mine]

Here is the key point: fully 65 percent of the 111 ABA-accredited commodes polled by Kaplan Test Prep agreed that it would be a good idea if at least a few law schools closed. Yet, the pigs keep approving more toilets, through the American Bar Association. And fewer toilets cut the number of first-year seats in 2016 than in 2015. Plus, the cockroaches could enforce their own standards, in order to place several trash pits on probation for pathetic bar passage rates – and perhaps eventually close some of these places down. Currently, no school is on probation. 

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/legal_education/resources/aba_approved_law_schools/by_year_approved.html

ABA Approved Law Schools Since 2005: Now, we will look at the list “ABA-Approved Law Schools by Year” provided by the Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar. Here are the cesspools approved since 2005:

Atlanta’s John Marshall Law School, Western State College of Law at Argosy University, Charleston School of Law, Faulker University Thomas Goode Jones SOL, Liberty University, Arizona Summit, Charlotte School of Law, Drexel University, Elon University, UC Irvine, University of La Verne College of Law, University of Massachusetts SOL-Dartmouth, Belmont University COL, Lincoln Memorial University Duncan School of Law, Concordia University, Indiana Tech. The pigs approved the reconstituted/merged toilet Mitchell | Hamline in 2015, however since this is actually one fewer garbage heap, it should not be considered an additional school.

That is a total of 16 new trash pits, since 2005! Hell, this organization already had law schools such as Cooley, TJ$L, Pace, and New York Law Sewer in place. Apparently, the swine felt – for $ome rea$on – that 189 or 190 ABA law schools was not enough back then, based on demand for “legal education.” The bastards certainly did not take need for new attorneys into account. After all, that is the students’ problem, right?!?!

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/law_school_admissions_officers_are_optimistic_about_legal_ed_but_would_like

Other Coverage: On October 7, 2016, the ABA Journal published a piece, from reporter Debra Cassens Weiss, which was entitled “Law school admissions officers are optimistic about legal ed, but would like to see some closures.” Here is the full text of that article below:

“Law school admissions officers are expressing more optimism, according to a survey of 111 law schools by Kaplan Test Prep. 

Ninety-two percent of those responding to the survey said they are feeling more optimistic about the state of education than they did a year ago, according to a press release. And 78 percent expected an increase in applications for the 2016-17 applications cycle. 

Only 24 percent of the schools had reduced the size of their 2016 class of first-year students, compared to 35 percent last year and 54 percent in 2014. 

Despite their optimism, 65 percent agreed it would be a good idea if at least a few law schools closed.” [Emphasis mine]

The pigs are merely hopeful that more cretins, convicts, and mental midgets will apply to ABA-accredited toilets. After all, the bitches and hags on admi$$ion$ committee$ keep approving a higher percentage of dumbasses each year. CLEARLY, they do not give one damn about those students’ job outcomes or ability to pass a bar exam. How honorable, huh?!?!

Conclusion: Lemming, if the ABA diploma mills – including 12 of the top 25 schools – agreed that there are too many law schools, then YOU should pay close attention. Of course, you may be lured into a toilet with a scholarship, i.e. tuition reduction, offer. Perhaps, it is your “dream” to be a lawyer – even if you have never worked in a law firm in any capacity, and have no idea what the job entails. Do not consider attending any law school outside the top 5-10. If you cannot get into such an institution, then that is a clue to you that you do not have the talent to get into Biglaw – which is your best hope of paying off your student loans without enduring financial hell.

26 comments:

  1. Hey guys make room in the legal field. All the IT jobs are being outsourced to India. Time to make a career transition.

    Starting pay at $23 an hour as an attorney with the potential to make six figures 10 years into the career seems very reasonable. A JD from anywhere will do or so it seems.

    Time to under cut the competition, and get rid of the bottom feeders! Every man for himself !!!

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  2. If you can graduate and make it through the great school of Western Michigan University Cooley Law School, then you can make it anywhere within the legal profession!

    I think it was self ranked like number 2 out of all law schools.... Look out Harvard!

    A JD from this school is just as good as from any T1 school! Guess what, when a Harvard grad wants to take the MI bar we take the same exam!


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    1. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingOctober 13, 2016 at 7:16 AM

      A Yugo or Mitsubishi Mirage will get you to the grocery store like BMW or Audi. Which one would you rather drive to Kroger? Everybody knows the answer. Go ahead and put Cooley on your resume....

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    2. Utter Nonsense. Where one goes to law school means everything, because law is a prestige-based" profession".

      See how many Cooley grads sit on the US Supreme Court or the mid-to-upper reaches over at Justice?

      Yeah, I thought so.

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    3. Weak trolling, 8:57. You need some new stuff. Nonetheless, thanks for attracting the ire, and fire, of us experienced practitioners who step in to warn the kids off your inanities.

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    4. I'm wondering whether 8:57 was trying to be funny. Regardless, WMU Cooley represents one small part of the large problem in the profession and particularly here in Michigan. The legal economy is still poor and yet schools like Cooley churn out hundreds of new lawyers annually to compete for increasingly fewer jobs. Their billboards along major highways promise a bright future. It doesn't exist. I've been practicing in Michigan for over twenty years and I don't why any rational person would consciously go to law school unless they were accepted to a T20 school and had a technical undergraduate degree. Law school is not the panacea that it was in the early 90s and before.

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  3. Add to the list of new and unneeded ls: University of North Texas.

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  4. Nando, you've been fighting the good fight, but the reality is that the ABA exists only to protect the fat cats. Specifically, the ABA is run by biglaw attorneys, who only care about biglaw. If you practice any other type of law you are not worthy of consideration.
    The ABA is also run by the law schools, and the law schools exist for only one reason: to keep themselves in business. So the ABA does nothing-literally, nothing-to protect the profession from the ls scammers.
    The other additional item required is supplied, virtually no questions asked, by the federal govt-specifically $$$.
    So complaining about the ABA is pointless, b/c that organization is run by the scammers. The better focus would be to get the federal govt out of the LS funding business. This would require severe action regarding law school loans, and at this point the feds just don't have the stomach to do it. And until the $$$ stops, it's all just whistling in the wind. The scam will never die.

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  5. The sharp crack of the bat can only mean that Nando has hit another one out of the park ... and, indeed, it is a tape-measure slam: " if the ABA diploma mills – including 12 of the top 25 schools – agreed that there are too many law schools, then YOU should pay close attention ...."

    It's a walk-off.

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  6. The top law schools are taking as much advantage as the lower ranked ones. Substantial numbers of middle aged and older lawyers from the top law schools are unemployed or underemployed. Harvard, Columbia and NYU have huge class sizes, grabbing for that tuition money. None of these schools have surveyed how graduates fare after being subjected to the out portion of up or out. Empirically, going to any one of these schools is a losing proposition for substantial numbers of middle aged and older lawyers because the higher paying jobs will not hire them. Very unlike medicine or health care where a person can normally work in a decent paying job until they want to retire.

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    1. This is a very good point. There is no good data on long term outcomes-hell, all data regarding lawyers and employment/income are suspect. For example, Payscale says the average salary for attorneys is $78,242/year; US News claims it's $133,470. Now I'm no statistician, but when you've got close to a 100% deviation in "average"...well, there's a serious problem.
      What a scam!

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  7. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingOctober 12, 2016 at 6:25 PM

    No way. There is a law school gap. In Illinois we have a law school gap. There are only 9 law schools. There is none in Peoria, Bloomington, Rockford, Danville, Naperville, Aurora, Springfield, Joliet, Kankakee or Alton.

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    1. WE MUST NOT ALLOW A LAW SCHOOL GAP!

      Mein Fuhrer! I can Walk!

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  8. In re: Vermont Law School, a leader in graduate law and policy education, seeks a bold and dynamic new President and Dean who shares our commitment to academic excellence, innovation, and community.

    Dear Sir or Madam:

    I hereby nominate Nando for the position of President and Dean at the institution soon to be known as the Former Vermont Law School.

    Sincerely,

    Everyone with Common Sense and the U.S. Taxpayers

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  9. Law School Cartel:

    "Yes, it's true, mistakes were made...but not before getting 'ours' first, though! Bazinga! Have fun paying off those student loans."

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  10. http://lawschooltruthcenter.blogspot.com/2016/10/salesman-optimistic-for-future-of.html

    On October 9, 2016, Law School Truth Center featured an entry labeled "Salesman Optimistic for Future of Product While Wanting Rivals to Die." Enjoy the following:

    From the ABA Journal:

    Ninety-two percent of those responding to the survey said they are feeling more optimistic about the state of education than they did a year ago...

    Ninety-two percent - just like how ninety-two percent of their recent graduates acquire high-paying jobs within months of graduation! But:

    Despite their optimism, 65 percent agreed it would be a good idea if at least a few law schools closed.

    At first blush, this made me angry. Law schools close? Aren't they reading the newsletter?"

    If only optimism translated to actual attorney jobs. Then again, we know that these academic pigs merely mouth the words needed to get idiotic asses in seats. The article continues:

    "But then I remembered that law school admissions personnel thrive on being selfish Machiavellians with an inflated sense of their own institution's importance in the legal industry. Naturally, they would want the competition to close a few other schools to increase their own profit margins. These things are like Subways. They're all necessary to fulfill the demand for $5 foot-long sandwiches that taste like something a school cafeteria made to remind the children of life's suckage, but surely the owners would love to close other branches down to broaden their own sphere of influence.

    Totally makes sense. But despite these admissions people being greedy capitalists, I'd like to remind everyone that they have the best interests of prospective students at heart. Were they not so optimistic about the law's future, surely they would reduce spots or voluntarily vote to close their own institutions.

    Also: while the LSTC's official policy is against sexual harassment and assault of all kinds, please feel free to grab law school by the pussy, 0Ls. You're that special that she'll let you grip a hold and... well, where it goes from there is your own personal educational voyage. Just make sure you sign the IOU on the night stand. 92% optimism for enterprising students who latch on to the genitals. It's a non-scientific poll of a purely subjective measure, but we're not curing cancer here; we're making your life great again."

    In attempting to grab law school "by the pussy," just beware that it is MUCH more likely to strangle your ass to death. Good luck, Lemming.

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  11. Of course the law-school scamsters want law skules other than their own to shut down. That will help to reduce competition and increase demand for the remaining law skules.

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  12. Here's Law Skool in a Nutshell.

    1. It's too easy to get in
    2. It's too fucking expensive, even if you go to a shithole
    3. There are already way too many lawyers
    4. You don't learn much in the way of practical things
    5. When you can't get a lawyer job (see #3) other employers will see you as overqualified
    6. When you do finally manage to get a job, it will be in the $35K-$50K range
    7. And you thought paying $100K for a shitty law degree was a good idea.

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    1. More than that. I paid around 85K in 1990 for law school. I am still paying it off...the interest just compounded and piled up. I can't get the nut down...even 26 years out....

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  13. President GarfieldOctober 14, 2016 at 6:56 PM

    What're you guys complaining about? I didn't even go to law school and I was a solid appeals court lawyer.

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  14. Nando, you are doing God's work. May God bless you and may God curse those who control today's lawland and their shills.

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  15. There are too many law schools. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

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  16. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-12-12/four-charts-that-explain-why-america-has-too-many-law-schools

    Back on December 12, 2014, Bloomberg published a Natalie Kitroeff piece that was entitled "Four Charts That Explain Why America Has Too Many Law Schools." Check out this opening:

    "On Monday, a brand new law school was born: The American Bar Association provisionally accredited Lincoln Memorial University's Duncan School of Law. The school has five years to prove itself before getting the complete seal of approval. Until then, according to an elated post on the school's website, is entitled to "all the rights of a fully approved law school."

    LMU will now enjoy the right to beg for the attention of ever-fewer applicants, lead those people into a bar exam with a historic failure rate, and produce graduates who can only hope they land one of the dwindling jobs that actually make use of their $90,000 degree. It is probably the worst time in decades to be a law school. The three charts below show why we don't need to be minting any new ones.

    Law school enrollment is in free fall, declining 24 percent since 2010. In 2013, first-year law school enrollment dropped to its lowest point in 36 years, according to the American Bar Association. The last time law school classrooms were this sparsely populated was 1977, when the U.S. had only 163 law schools. Now there are over 200. That's stressful math, and some experts think that to fill their classes in the face of waning interest in the legal profession, law schools are turning to people who do worse on the LSAT."

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-20/how-many-law-schools-need-close-spolier-alert-plenty

    On June 20, 2016, Zero Hedge opined on the subject, in an entry labeled "How Many Law Schools Need To Close? (Spoiler Alert: Plenty!)" Enjoy this portion from contributor Charles Hugh-Smith:

    "The only solution for the surplus of workers with law degrees is a massive, permanent reduction in the issuance of new law graduates.

    America is in the opening stages of a massive surplus of over-credentialed workers. The default setting for 50 years has been: if you want a secure upper-middle class salary, get a law degree, MBA, PhD or other graduate-level professional degree.

    The massive surplus is now apparent in J.D.s (law degrees) and PhDs. The writing is already on the wall: there aren't enough jobs for law school graduates, and this scarcity of high-paying legal jobs will only increase going forward. These two articles provide the context:

    The tech start-up planning to shake up the legal world (via Lew G.)


    An Expensive Law Degree, and No Place to Use It (via Joel M.)

    The only solution for the surplus of workers with law degrees is a massive, permanent reduction in the issuance of new law graduates. The only way to achieve this result is for a significant percentage of law schools to close their doors.

    What's the percentage that must close to restore some balance? An unfettered market would discover the price of attending law school and the number of schools needed to fulfill diminishing demand for workers with law diplomas.

    But we don't have an unfettered market--we have a government-sanctioned system of debt-serfdom. Law students can borrow up to $200,000 for a three-year law program, and so surprise, surprise, the cost of that three-year program is--yup, $200,000."

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  17. This may very well be good news; now it looks like the lol skools really are turning on each other! (And of course, one would think that the higher-ranked schools would throw any lower-ranked ones under the bus...)

    And it seems like none of the schools think that their own school should close down; gee, why am I not surprised?

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  18. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/25/opinion/too-many-law-students-too-few-legal-jobs.html?_r=0

    Back on August 15, 2015, Steven J. Harper's gem of an op-ed appeared in the New York Times. It was entitled "Too Many Law Students, Too Few Legal Jobs." Look at this opening:

    "Ten months after graduation, only 60 percent of the law school class of 2014 had found full-time long-term jobs that required them to pass the bar exam.

    Even that improvement over the class of 2013 (a 57 percent employment rate) came with three asterisks: Last year, the American Bar Association changed the job-reporting rules to give law schools an extra month for the class of 2014 to find jobs; graduates employed in law-school-funded positions count in the employment rate; and the number of jobs that require bar passage fell from 2013 to 2014."

    Then view his epic conclusion:

    "The [ABA cockroach] task force, having dodged the issues that should have been the focus of its work, offered four suggestions: law schools should offer students better debt counseling; the Department of Education should develop “plain English” disclosure information about student loans; the A.B.A. should collect and disseminate information about how law schools spend their money; and the A.B.A. should encourage law schools to experiment on curriculums and programs.

    None of those will make a difference. The crisis in legal education is real. Magical thinking and superficial rhetoric about declining enrollments, better debt counseling for students, and law schools’ experimenting with curriculum changes will not create more jobs.

    The A.B.A. should treat the challenge seriously and begin to address it with serious solutions. So far, that has not happened. In fact, earlier this month, the A.B.A. House of Delegates missed an opportunity to address this issue by giving its rubber stamp of approval to the task force report.

    Until student loans bear a rational relationship to individual law school outcomes, law schools will exploit their lack of accountability, the legal education market will remain dysfunctional, and equilibrium between supply and demand will remain elusive.

    The A.B.A. calls itself “the national voice of the legal profession.” When it comes to the profession’s most urgent problem, it’s long past time to speak up."

    The man has the balls, the brains, and the backbone to call out the law school pigs for their greed. In the end, if prospective law students cannot find these articles - or they shrug them off - then they deserve their TTT fate.

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