Sunday, November 27, 2016

Annals of Idiocy: Texas Legislature to Consider a New Public Law School

The News: On November 25, 2016, the Valley Morning Star published a piece from staff writer Danya Perez-Hernandez, under the headline “Will Valley get a new law school?” Take a look at this opening:

“A new legislative year is bringing renewed hope for Rio Grande Valley lawmakers who hope to establish a law school in the area. 

“The law school is a natural progression as our demographics grow, as our population grows,” said Eddie Lucio III, D-Brownsville. 

“There are some great, very talented young professionals who for financial reasons or reasons related to family cannot travel to San Antonio, which is our nearest law school.” 

Lucio III and Armando “Mando” Martinez, D-Weslaco, both filed legislation — House Bill 169 and 46, respectively — last week calling for the establishment of a public law school in either Cameron or Hidalgo County. 

Just like with the creation of the medical school at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley, for which legislation was filed more than 70 years ago, the idea is to lay the groundwork for the creation of the law school. 

The Valley had been slated at some point by the UT System Regents as the next best place for a medical school and, according to Lucio III, the same should be said for the law school. 

“If you look at other parts of the state — Houston, Dallas, San Antonio — everybody has a law school,” Martinez said. “We believe that we are able to compete with the rest of the state, and we want to be able to provide that opportunity to our bright students here.” 

The bills call for any university system to establish the law school and, even though UTRGV might be the first to come to mind, the fact that there has been more interest from other systems, like Texas A&M, expanding to the region opens up more avenues.

“So you are not only saying the University of Texas School of Law,” Martinez said. “You are saying ‘Any public university that would like to create a law school in Texas, here, we have the framework for it and now you can do it.’” [Emphasis mine]

Did anyone notice that these moronic legislators failed to mention the lawyer glut in this nation?!?! By the way, Houston and Dallas are huge metropolitan areas – and San Antonio is a large city. According to this Wikipedia page, Hidalgo County is the eighth largest in the state. And Cameron County had an estimated 406,220 people as of the 2010 census. Do you think that either area can support a new toilet, lemming?!?! If so, then you are likely in the 142 LSAT crowd.

Other Coverage: On November 25, 2016, “Old Guy” authored a hilarious OTLSS entry, which was entitled “Texas legislators contemplate yet another law school.” He is spot on with regards to the foolishness of the “need” for a new public toilet in that state. Enjoy:

“Scant weeks after the notorious law school at Indiana Tech announced its closure, legislators in Texas proposed the opening of a law school in the southernmost part of the state: 

Why? Because "everybody [else] has a law school". A perfect reason! Why shouldn't every half-ass town in the state get its share of the pork barrel?

In addition, "[t]here are some great, very talented young professionals who for financial reasons or reasons related to family cannot travel to San Antonio, which is our nearest law school". (Wrong: the nearest law school is at the Instituto Tecnológico y de Estudios Superiores de Monterrey.) The same argument was deployed at Indiana Tech: pity the many "great, very talented young professionals" (even though actually most of the students there were well past 30) who are so poorly served by the mere four other law schools in Indiana and the thirty-odd within a four-hour drive of Fort Wayne!

Not a word is said about demand, quality, prospects for employment, or even the experience of so many failed or failing law schools, including some in Texas itself. Such paltry considerations should not scupper the latest hackademic boondoggle…Just open the goddamn law school and ask questions later.” [Emphasis mine]

Hell, the waterheads did not even mention the fact the UNT Dallas Commode of Law is not yet fully accredited by the American Bar Association cockroaches. This is a group that regularly approves any structure that has bookshelves, couches, internet access, and a fax machine!

Need for More Schools in Texas?: As you can see, Texas is already home to nine ABA-accredited commodes. The only decent school among the whole group is the state flagship university. After the University of Texas, the drop off in quality or name brand is severe. Even SMU and the University of Houston are middling trash heaps.

Conclusion: The idiots pushing this measure are merely trying to add some “prestige” and pork to their little corner of Texas. Take a moment to reflect on your idea, fools. Can you picture in your little minds – for one microsecond – legions of debt-strapped law grads being able to make a decent living while representing broke-ass dirt farmers and welfare recipients in your community?!?! Here is the reality of the situation: even when Wanda has some discretionary income, she is more likely to piss that money away on an Xbox for her 32 year old man-child husband. In the alternative, she will use those funds on an ankle tattoo that she has wanted for some time. Yet, you are willing to waste revenue on exploring this path. Go back to your coloring books and Play-Doh.


  1. Let's all hope they establish an AAMPLE program to minimize the LSAT artificial barrier.

    Also that they create a mission statement with the express focus
    on increasing minority lawyers.

    This could be a good thing !

    1. Get lost, dumbshit. What artificial barrier. These schools are letting people in with fucking 138 lsat scores.

    2. 7:13 AM: what is your opinion on other professions which have even HIGHER barriers to entry? Medicine, dentistry, what is your view there? I mean, don't we need relatively more physicians at this point than more lawyers? What about the medically underserved?

    3. 3:06

      The medical school answer to AAMPLE is the medical schools located in the Caribbean. Even Devry --- is in on this !!

      Also on a side note.... the second answer is the established proffesion of "Physician Asistants".

      The PA proffesion means less doctors are needed.

      One Attending pyhsician for a team of PA's. So they have their issues also. (cheaper cost also).

  2. The Joe Bob Briggs University of North Texas South Texas College of Law Not at Houston but at the Rio Grande Valley College of Law Law School

    Motto #1: Where students go to Nebraska for Spring Break!

    Motto #2: Where it's an easy sneak to Mexico to avoid paying the $250,000 in non-dischargable-student-loan-debt-that-you-can't-possibly-repay-'cause-you-didn't-pass-the-bar-and-are-working-at-What-a-Burger-and-couldn't-pay-it-back-anyway-even-if-you-had-passed-the-bar

    Motto #3: No drive-in-movies were hurt in creating this branch of the Joe Bob law school, but 99% of our students were financially and emotionally crippled

  3. I disagree that the Univershitty of Texas is a decent school. Despite its prestige, it is a fourth-tier institution whose graduates are unlikely to find the sorts of jobs that would support payments on their student loans. In recent years, it has admitted people with LSAT scores in the 120s. (Don't be surprised if those brain-dead dolts, unlike some of the people at the top of the class, land cushy jobs through the connections that got them into the Univershitty of Texas in the first place.)

    Yes, it's at the very top end of the fourth tier. But its dreadful outcomes for graduates, particularly in light of the high cost of attendance, place it in the company of _UNT and Indiana Tech.

    1. Old Guy, the U.S. "News" just published a piece a few weeks ago that the University of Texas was the most amazing, spectacular, best law school to attend to earn a starting salary that exceeds student debt!

    2. Yes, I remember that shitty piece, which was roundly criticized at Outside the Law School Scam.

      The median salary in the private sector may (or may not) be $160k, as alleged. And average debt may be in the vicinity of $100k. But no one can plan on being at the average or the median.

      Law School Transparency estimates that debt for someone receiving no discounts (called "scholarships" by scamsters and their lackeys) will stand at $200k for residents of Texas and at $250k for non-residents. Even a starting salary of $160k seems low for debt at that level. But not quite half of the class gets jobs in private law firms, many of which pay a damn sight less than $160k.

    3. Your wrong on this Old Guy.

      How dare you attempt to deter people from being thier best.

      Anyone is capable of being within the average or the median stats if they apply effort!

      Work hard, network, get good grades and even you can be a card carrying member of the Bar.

      Do not let tuiton deter you, because all real proffesions that require a "proffesional - Doctorate degree" REQUIRE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT = STUDENT LOANS.

      Do not let debt stand in your way of your dreams. You only have one life to live... trust me... you will regret listening to the nay sayers on this site.

    4. Go away. You can't even spell. "proffesions", "nay sayers" (one word), etc.

      Law is subject to certain dynamics and good outcomes are 99.999% dependent on prestige, family wealth, and connections.

      No one who isn't an idiot - not you, obviously - goes into a field starting with 200K in non-dischargeable student loan debt today like law where there is 1 job for every 3 graduates. Let alone a good job. Half of all lawyers are SOLOS. That leaves, automatically, 50% of them making "Eat what you Kill" money.

      Of course, you don't know any of this because you're obviously neither a lawyer or any other "proffessional". (lol!)

      No one tells people to ignore $200k debt levels and is serious without being delusional or a complete idiot.

      You are obviously both.

      You're some idiot spewing shit and leading people to ruin by trolling using the stupidest, most ignorant asshole schtick you can because, God help me, no one can really be this dumb?

      Or CAN they?

    5. @11:01pm

      My kind sir you are wrong and out of line.

      Your putting a price on education which opens doors for people and changes the life and ecominical status for people.

      using your example, no one should become a Dr., lawyer, pharmacist, etc...because it "cost" to much. While your at it, just dont consider any form of higher education because "it cost to much".

      That is a sad position to take. There is only one life to live. The student loan program in the US was established to level the playing feild so that the average person could obtain higher education along side the "rich" class.

      Ok, i agree that some of these universities have gone over board with tutition hikes over the years as a result, but ISN'T IT BETTER TO ENTER / PLAY THE GAME IN ORDER TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE...

      Otherwise just graduate high school and work in the fast food industry, or a low paying job. (Education is supose to prevent this) !!!!

      Yes you will have to take out loans and pay them back rightfully so ... but the other alternative is really self limiting, and self defeating.

  4. Part 3

    (Really a follow-on to my 2 part post on the previous thread, but it might be overlooked if posted there now.)

    So, talking about "SMART," I left out the "kicker."

    The REALLY, REALLY, REALLY SMART STUDENT on the floor was a student who had taken what we then called "proficiency exams" which were in the nature of "Advanced Placement" courses and exams.

    That student had earned so much college credit in high school by way of such exams that when that student first set foot on a major land grant university that that student was a first semester Junior in chemical engineering.

    That student had earned over 60 hours of college credit by taking exams prior to arriving at the university. AND FURTHER, while taking 18 credit hours per semester of chemical engineering at the Junior level, being only of Freshman age, studied other courses on the side and took exams and earned more credit based solely on the exam score.

    I saw this with my own eyes.

    I have lost track of this genius.

    THAT is smart. And I will tell you, that student is smarter even than the first in my law school class at that same university, by MILES.

    Lawyers, judges, and law professors, frankly, just are not too bright. Just read the unintelligible case opinions. (And you will see many complaints and motions come your way clearly written by the confused and befuddled. They are the product of the Socratic Method and no skills training law school curriculum.) The law is much simpler than engineering, accountancy, and actuarial science. Law is a pathetic academic enterprise compared to MEDICINE. How many true legal principals are there? 100 or 200? And we are to believe that it takes 3 whole years to teach that miniscule amount of content to the “best and the brightest?” No, the “best and the brightest” are sold knowledge by the credit hour and dragging it out profits those who teach. So strange that after all those semesters, the students actually can’t practice law. After the review course, can’t practice law. After passing the bar can’t practice law.

    If you matriculated at your land grant university as a Junior, you just might have the wits to have a decent career in the law. If not, don’t.

  5. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingNovember 27, 2016 at 8:38 PM

    Our nation has entered the era of Trumpism. It's Cracker Barrel America. This law school stuff is now the norm. IQ of around 75 to 90 abound. 130 LSAT scores are now honors students.

  6. We should not focus that much on the LSAT... The guy with a 138 score will will graduate and do as well as the guy who scored 155 or 160 and is just as capable.

    Since real life is not under timed conditions (like law school exams)and you can look up anything you do not know.

    Now if the practice of law was under timed conditions, without the ability to research the legal issues, (and ebrything had be completed within 3 hours w/o the ability to look things up) then the lower lsat guys would be in trouble.

    Think open book exams meet reasonable time limits per issue.

    1. Ok, but the state bar exam is under the same conditions as the LSAT: time constrained and closed book.

      ppl scoring below 150 are highly correlated with failing the bar and NOT becoming attorneys.

  7. Here's a name suggestion for the new law school these fucktards will likely open.

    Let's call it the Southwest Texas Near the Mexican Border International College of Law.


    On November 26, 2016, the Law School Truth Center featured a hilarious post entitled "Build It, and Someone Will Come." Here is the article below:

    "New legislative terms mean new hope for visionary lawmakers to introduce zany bills.

    One that's not so zany? Building a new law school. After all, America just lost an accredited law school in Indiana, and others around the country report continued shrinkage as potential applicants reject the opportunity to make social justice millions applying law to fact all Clarence Darrow-like. Some law schools will have to expand or, like, just suddenly show up to fill the void.

    And in Big Texas, they find Big Solution:

    A new legislative year is bringing renewed hope for Rio Grande Valley lawmakers who hope to establish a law school in the area.

    “The law school is a natural progression as our demographics grow, as our population grows,” said Eddie Lucio III, D-Brownsville.

    “There are some great, very talented young professionals who for financial reasons or reasons related to family cannot travel to San Antonio, which is our nearest law school.”

    Cameron and Hidalgo Counties easily break one million people, and that's only counting the ones who answered the last census. Meanwhile, thriving law schools subsist in areas with far less population. For example, Washington & Lee has a highly regarded law school and its home town of Lexington has under 10,000 people. And yet, W&L attracts three hundred students each year. Using similar rates and [basic math], a law school in McAllen would attract approximately 30,000 students each year. It's a rough estimate; the real total could be higher.

    So build it, Texas. Consider that paragraph a feasibility study. Trust me when I say that if you build it, students will come. There'll be lots of coming, in fact. A flood of come. And definitely some smooth supportive commentary from the LSTC. With the imminent departure of Indiana Tech, a new receptive orifice of hope is needed.

    Build it. I dare you. Two years ago, people laughed at Donald Trump running for President. Now, he's going to grope himself some Oval Office. What that means is that every seemingly stupid idea now should not lack the courage to go forth and become a brilliant one. Build it, Texas. Build the greatest law school you can right next to that border and show Mexico what American jurisprudence can do. Make sure you build it higher than the wall. But built it."

    Hell, why don't the cretins put a new public law school in each county?!?! After all, the need for legal services is not confined to either location. Plus, it's taxpayer funds and we all know how legislative fools love to spend other people's money!

    1. The people behind this scam, and all the other big scams, are hardcore liberal predators. I am astonished that people that fell for the law school scam would support Hillary or generally subscribe to liberal notions.

      Liberalism is just a mask for the most hardcore predators to rape you hardest. Compare the victims of the law school scam to those of Trum University. Both sets of people got fucked, but the debt from Trump U is discharchable and most of the victims had a remedy in court, whereas the victims of the law school scam...

      He might be a bad President or he might be good, but to compare him to these liberal charlatans, when one is familiar with how the law school scam works, is downright insane.

      And before someone tells me that these aren't real liberals, save it. There's no such thing. That's the problem. Fidel died with a few hundred million net worth. The Clintons performed untold numbers of scams to get rich. Liberalism is just a mask for the most hardcore predators to prey more effectively. The law school scam is a perfect example of that.

    2. I agree.

      Liberals (quote) are some of the most hypocritical, uncaring people. Why do I say this? Well, I certainly remember all the pampered prawfs I had in college and law school.

      They "care" (cough!) - only about their easy paychecks.

      Liberals are limousine liberals. They care about all sorts of causes and are perfectly happy lecturing other people as long as their paychecks are satisfied.

      Correspondingly, conservatives are often rabid Horatio Alger types who view the less fortunate as either unworthy or slackers.

      As a family member said to me long ago about homelessness: Conservatives don't want to talk about it and liberals don't want to see it.

      Fidel killed hundreds of thousands over nearly 6 decades of rule. Chairman Mao - close to 50 million - because Socialism / Communism is good.. He makes Hitler look like a lightweight..

      Law is the perfect combination of the above. The elite grads think everyone else is undeserving and the liberal prawfs and Deans only care about their paychecks.

      A truly shitty "profession", full of shitty people.

      Kids, you want to avoid this Fate, believe it.

      Do NOT go to law school.

    3. @ 11:14 PM

      One link, consider:

    4. Conservatives: "It is your fault you are poor, so work harder."

      Liberals: "It is your fault someone else is poor, so give me your money...... racist!"

  9. 8:22 PM, the really smart students rarely seek law, usually seek Medicine. The very smartest students though tend to end up in Theoretical physics or those types of sciences because those are the studies that challenge them. But you know, you don't have to be brilliant to be a very capable IQ. A 120 IQ will do it, and I believe that the 110-120 IQ people are generally the more successful people... in business and law as compared to most other peoples. We need only so many Einsteins. We still need competent lawyers.

    1. True. The smartest kids got the memo some time ago and are avoiding law like the plague. If they have the academic chops, they're going into some type of medical discipline. The lustre wore off the law "profession" some time ago. T-6 or bust for law, barring connections of course.

    2. 8:22 PM here. 9:36 AM-you are absolutely correct, apparently today, but in my day, mid 1970's many capable students did go to law school. But I would bet that the bulk of the smartest went to medical school, even in my day. Law school attracted accountant types, finance and business types. I could have done well in medical school, but WAS REALLY STUPID. My math, chemistry, and biology skill far exceeded my language skills, though my language skills are at the top. Office work just seemed my academic and in line with my analytical skills and interest. I had no idea that that decision was a decision to earn about 1/6th or less in income.

      At 64, I have no pension, have never had any employee benefits, have paid for all health insurance premiums, co-pays, no dental, no optical, no life insurance, no disability insurance, no paid vacations, who really cares?

      My health insurance went UP $800 PER MONTH for next year. I now spend $24,000 per year for health insurance. I also have a $7,500 deductible per person.

      Well, being a solo, you can see what a nightmare this is. Many of my law school classmates retired 4 or 5 years ago, with a pension and health insurance.

      I would never become a lawyer if I had it to do over.

      Why don't the kids listen?

      Law is a dead end deal.

      What that Hell are they thinking (if thinking?)?

    3. Medicine is smarter than law, but that's not really where the truly smart end up.

      The truly smart end up in banking, business, high level government positions. These are the biggest, most secure payoffs with the least amount of risk. Medicine and law are both service professions, so they are always limited.

      Finance literally prints money, and the finance-corporate-public sector ecosystem writes laws, prevents competition, and hands themselves large sums of money for no risk. In fact they legislate away risk and competition, and can not ever be sued for anything in the court systems.

      In fact, if anything, the law schools are the closest thing to that system. The law school pigs are all doing very well, better than most physicians.

    4. Well 9:47, appoaching 62, I am pretty much in your boat...Still have two in for everything myself, including very expensive health insurance (although I deduct every penny of my premium). I have managed to save a few million for formal pension but dumped into my defined benefit plan. mostly in cash right now given I expect a market route in 2017...that came from a few cases I managed to luck into over the years. Lost a few million over the years in bad investments. Easy come..easy go. Point is I've made money in the past but this is the toughest period I remember as a lawyer.given competition from non stop advertising. Next year, I may actually have my first net operating loss ever. I'm now bare bones. Only one secretary...
      But still the money operating a business keeps flowing ou at a rapid pace. Probably time to retire.

    5. 9:47 here.

      I don't have a few million (I'm in the canoe behind your boat).

      I have one in a community college, then 2 years of "full-bore" college.

      Never had enough to do a defined benefit plan. (1L's, look that up, it is important to us, and should be to you.)

      It has been tough for me also, lately. I haven't had a secretary for 20 years. I do all my own typing from a collection of master forms I have developed in the first few years and kept updated. Pretty efficient, and does not require much in the way of typist time. My spouse handles the phones, copying, etc.

      If I had a few million, I'd quit today. Why prolong the agony?

      Good luck.

    6. Good question. After doing this amost thirty five years.. not sure how it will go my giving it up, at least completely. I need to feel I am still in the game to keep my sanity I think. My game plan right now is to totally close my office next year after I resolve some of my few remaining larger cases... maybe having a small office I share with other lawyers in a larger office, keep my website up to date . . . and if anything decent comes in, either handle it myself or refer off to other attornies. But I need to reduce expenses tremendously. Much smaller office space . . no payroll.... minimal expenses and work only when I want to do so. By the way, not sure if you own your own office . . but if you do, perhaps now might be the time to sell it while we are still in a bubble. This can all come crashing down next year when Trump takes over and the Fed starts raising rates. David Stockman may finally end up being right.

  10. A school for minority students, they already have one in Texas (Thurgood Marshall) and take a look at their admissions standards, attrition rates and abysmal employment numbers. This is another way to create jobs for overpaid pseudo-intellectual bachelor degree holders at the expense of minorities. They couldn't care less about helping students, it's simply economic exploitation at its finest.

    1. We do not haveenough minority lawyers! What are you smoking ?

      Another law school with the express intent on education more minority lawyers is very welcomed in the great state of Texas!!!

      TSU is cheaper alternative to most of the over proces law schools in Texas.

      It's like going to walmart, and choosing between brand name or generic. Deep down inside you know they BOTH will get the job done!

      Don't let Old Guy and his cronies deter you!

    2. @1:58,

      The point is that it's not good for the minority lawyers, or anyone else, to attend law school. There are better paying, more stable, and more protected options out there.

      A New York sanitation worker makes between 80 and 100k a year with overtime after a few years (this doesn't include people who get promoted). An ADA makes 55k.

      You tell me why it's good for the minority to become a lawyer? It isn't. With a protected municipal job, a minority person can work without fear of lay offs, make good money, invest, etc. This is what will enable them to move up the social ladder, not a fourth tier degree which is a ticket to poverty.

      The same applies to poor people of all races and creeds, including whites. You don't go to law school unless you are rich or to a tippy top school. Period.

    3. Law School is a horrific scam. More than half of the law schools in America need to be shut down, just to have a hope of bringing the lawyer glut into equilibrium.

  11. Another shitty law school. Why not, I guess.

  12. The pigs that want to open a new Texas law school are going about this all wrong. In recent years, the for-profit scam colleges targeted the military. Soldiers have educational benefits and a steady paycheck! This is a very efficient way to transfer cash from the US Treasury to the bank accounts of pig law professors. Killeen is by far the best location for a new Texas law school. With III Corp and 1st Cav at Fort Hood, there are thousands of troops to con into taking night classes. There are plenty of enlisted Soldiers tired of pushing a broom, cutting grass, sitting by a phone for 24 hours straight on staff duty, and getting treated like crap by a retarded Non-Commissioned Officer. These are the perfect marks for a new toilet law school. You can even sell these suckers on the chance of becoming Judge Advocates! Just leave out the part about the low promotion rates and the two time non-selects for promotion being kicked out of the Army without their retirement. Not only can you get the Soldiers to attend, but you can also get the unemployed spouses too. Usually you can find them sucking up to the commander’s spouse. All you need is a nice glossy brochure selling the “versatility” of the JD. When a Soldier and their family have to move to another duty station, the spouse can use that versatile JD to obtain a job wherever they go! (Probably at the Starbucks on base, but no need to tell them that) Hell, the towns around military bases are always known for high crime, strip clubs, used car dealerships, and pawn shops. Soldiers are always getting into trouble. They are always getting into fights at strip clubs and getting arrested for DUI. They often marry their first spouse to get the basic housing allowance. That always leads to a divorce. A toilet law school can sell Soldiers and their spouses on the unmet legal needs of military communities. Don’t mention all the shit law divorce/DUI defense firms already established in military communities though.

  13. Come on guys!

    If Bush can be president (as stupid as he was... with only a C average) then low lsat takers can be lawyers. Got in to Harvard... only because of connections.

    C average students should be good enough for law school , the same caliber as US president.

    Plus come on.... someone with a C average is most likely a better "practicing" lawyer then the rest.

    1. Bush was (is) an idiot. You want that representing you? I don't get it.

    2. I recall Dan Quayle making the statement that he was told by his father that "A students were professors, B students ending up running business, and C students were politicians."

      There is no mention that the C students did a good job of it.


    On November 10, 2016, ABC affiliate KGBT published a staff piece that was labeled "Valley lawmakers files bill to establish law school." Check out the following portion:

    "State lawmakers are months away from meeting in Austin once again, but they have already filed bills they hope will be considered and made into law.

    Texas State Rep. Eddie Lucio III (D-San Benito) has filed legislation aimed at creating a law school in the Rio Grande Valley.

    With the closest law school being in San Antonio, Lucio hopes it will bring more access to legal services along the border region.

    Our friends and family simply do not have proper access to legal services that are traditionally available in other areas of the state and nation, Lucio said in a press release adding that the attorney to citizen ratio in the Valley is below the national average.

    The first day of bill fillings for the 84th Texas Legislative Session took place on Monday, Nov. 4th."

    Texas is divided into 254 counties. Why don't the idiots just have one for every damn county? That would ensure that all of the state's needy, poor citizens have access to legal services, right?!?!

  15. Loving County, Texas, is my favorite Texas County. Population: 82. That's about a 1/3 of some 1L classes.

    Rumor has it there are no lawyers in Loving. Of course, some 90% of the 300-odd students in that massive IL section won't be lawyers, either.


    "If the law student market contracts further, it’s possible that between 10 and 15 schools will close, says Zemsky, a founding director of Penn’s Institute for Research on Higher Education. He notes that law schools are already losing money.

    “You can’t continue to muddle through and hold your breath,” he told the Chicago audience on Nov. 16. “You can only hold your breath for so long.”

    The ABA should focus more on helping law schools consolidate, according to Zemsky. That being said, he doesn’t know of other industry accreditors which have done something like that."


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