Wednesday, February 1, 2017

Beyond Pathetic: Food Drive for Charlotte School of Law Students


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article129152714.html

Feed a Hungry Law Student: On January 27, 2017, the Charlotte Observer featured a Michael Gordon piece that was headlined “Charlotte School of Law starts food drive so students get something to eat.” Check out this opening:

“Cut off from millions of dollars in federal loans because of their school’s chronic failings, students at Charlotte School of Law still don’t know how they’ll pay tuition, rent and utilities. 

Now they are apparently running out of food.

In response, one of their professors announced Friday that some faculty and other law school employees have started a food drive to make sure students of the reeling school have enough to eat. Scott Sigman, director of the school’s clinical programs, sent out an email alerting students that the stockpiled food is available in the student commons. 

“I know that times are uncertain right now,” he wrote. “If you are low on funds and in need of food, please take what you need, keeping in mind that others may have needs as well.”

Students have been racked by financial anxiety since shortly before Christmas, when federal officials announced that they had made Charlotte School of Law the first accredited law school ever to lose access to federal student loans. Last year, Charlotte School of Law students received almost $50 million from the program for tuition and living expenses. Last week, the U.S. Department of Education announced it had broken off negotiations with the school to extend some of the loans through the spring semester.

The government agency and the American Bar Association have both accused the for-profit law school of hiding chronic problems with admissions, curriculum and test scores from students. But the cutoff of federal money has left students pondering how they will pay for school and living expenses. There are reports that some students have stopped attending classes because they can’t afford gas for their cars. Observers say more than half the student body has already left the school. 

Some of those who have chosen to remain are struggling to meet basic needs. 

“How can we be prepared for class when we can’t feed ourselves?” said third-year student Margaret Kocaj of Charlotte. “How can we study when we have headaches because we can’t afford to eat? This is our reality now. There are no words.” [Emphasis mine]

There are also no words to adequately describe for your stupidity in choosing to attend a FOR PROFIT, FOURTH TIER TRASH CAN!! Did you think that a law degree from this stench pit would lead to a great career?!?! Who told you that attending such a cesspit would be a good idea – or a smart investment?

http://www.law.com/sites/almstaff/2017/01/30/charlotte-law-prof-starts-food-bank-for-schools-students/?slreturn=20170101072239

Other Coverage: On January 30, 2017, the National Law Journal published a Karen Sloan article entitled “Charlotte Law Prof Starts Food Bank For School’s Students.” Read the following segment:

“Robert Barchiesi, a third-year student who is among a group of students suing the school, said the situation leading to the need for a school food pantry and GoFundMe campaign is “truly incredible.” 

“I think it’s a sad situation, when a law school becomes a food pantry for its own students because it failed to meaningfully work with regulators on a solution that could have given students a different option to finish their degree and regain access to federal student aid,” Barchiesi said. 

The Education Department on Dec. 19 announced it would pull federal loans from Charlotte students, citing concerns over accreditation shortfalls and misleading information about the school’s bar pass rates. Since then, negotiations to extend the loans broke down, apparently over the department’s insistence that it remain open only through May. School officials have said they are hoping for a more favorable outcome under the new Trump administration. 

Sigman said the idea for the food pantry came from him and several other faculty members. On Friday afternoon, he sent an email to all students alerting them that free food donated from faculty and staff was available. But he quickly realized that student needs went beyond just food, and he stared the GoFundMe campaign, which aims to raise $250,000 that would be divided evenly among students who agree to use it for living expenses like rent, food, gas, utilities, and medical expenses. As of Monday morning, the campaign had raised more than $5,000. 

“I want to help them,” Sigman wrote on the campaign’s web page. “I can’t imagine how I would have succeeded in law school in the circumstances that [Charlotte School of Law] students face.” [Emphasis mine]

You feel so sorry for your students, but you charge them $42,320 per year in full-time tuition, right?!?! Yes, that makes perfect sense, pig. How much was your cost of attendance, when you attended West Virginia University Commode of Law?

Conclusion: What’s next for these idiotic students? Perhaps a blanket drive or donations for coats and clean underwear from the Salvation Army? Maybe the “professors” will chip in and purchase new socks and gloves for these young men and women who want to become lawyers. In the final analysis, if you pay $42,320 in tuition to attend a FOURTH TIER PILE OF GARBAGE, then why are bitching about utilities, food, and other bills? These are the costs of living, which you would need to pay even if you were not in school. It’s time for the students at CharloTTTTe Sewer of Law to take a good, hard look in the mirror. You made the decision to go to an outrageously expensive toilet, knowing in advance that you would face an uphill struggle to: (a) pass a bar exam; and (b) have a chance at a decent legal career. Make sure to load up on plenty of protein, Dumbass!

36 comments:

  1. Wait until these poor schmucks graduate and can't even pass the bar. Who's going to feed them then?

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  2. Kocaj, grow the hell up. A week or two ago, you were bitching about possibly not being allowed to finish your worthless degree. Now you're acting as if your jive ass were about to keel over dead in class from hypoglycemia. You'll bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch but never take the slightest responsibility for your own astoundingly stupid decision to enroll at one of the foulest toilets this side of Neptune.

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  3. Which law schools in DC should close?

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    1. If GTown cut their class size to one-sixth, they'd be worth keeping. All the rest are trash, including GW.

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    2. So we are in agreement. George Washington, American, and UDC have to go.

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  4. I think this story shows once again that among academics, law "professors" are the most thoughtful and generous. These "professors" gave up million dollar annual salaries at larger, prestigious law firms to teach law at "access law schools" for a mere six figure salary. These "access law schools" diversify the profession. Now these "professors" are using their meager salaries to buy food for their students! Many of these "professors" have sacrificed their time to produce scholarship examining the legal market. They could have written about hip hop and the law. Instead they thought about their students and investigated whether hiring would ever pick up again. Thanks to the work of several law "professors," we know that a severe shortage of law graduates is imminent. Not to mention, one "professor" discovered that a JD alone has a lifetime value of one million dollars over a college degree. Here's to you law "professors."

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    1. That article about the "million-dollar degree" must have been worth at least a million to its authors.

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  5. Cockroaches, spiders and ants are all good sources of protein.

    Surely, some can still be found scurrying through the halls of cHARLOTte SOL.

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  6. "Maybe the 'professors' will chip in and purchase new socks and gloves for these young men and women who want to become lawyers."

    Pretty soon, the professors will be right there with the students.

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  7. What is this nonsense?

    What are these people's plans for after they graduate and are unemployed? Which they most certainly will be?

    They'd be better off getting jobs now or figuring out how to get onto welfare. The women especially should probably just pop out some babies, if they refuse to work and provide for themselves. That's the easiest way to get benefits, as every single mother in America knows, and why we have the most single mothers in the world.

    And of course if the school cared so much, they certainly would not be charging that outrageous tuition.

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  8. Captain Hruska Carswell, Continuance KingFebruary 1, 2017 at 8:27 PM

    Sterling Partners, a private equity fund owns this diploma mill. Sterling Partners is out of Chicago, where one finds billboards along expressways advertising traffic ticket defense for $49.00. "Don't Pay that Ticket!"

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  9. Last week I went to a food bank. I'm a licensed lawyer who graduated among the top few in the class at an élite law school.

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  10. This school and situation reflects negatively on the perception of our
    great legal profession!

    Come on. These "Law Students" are grown adults, and should have foreseen
    the consequences of choosing a 4th tier, high tuition, unestablished law school.

    If they are panicking and struggling to figure things out during this point of their life, they will have a rude awakening once graduation day comes (assuming they make it).

    With that being said 4th tier schools are ok but you must try to do it with the least debt possible.

    FAMU, Southern, TSU are all affordable options which will allow you to get that bar card and receive an outstanding ROI. Bang for your buck.

    Careers prospects outside of big law are not bad at all. Do not let people fool you into thinking shit law is bad. An honest days work, is an honest days work. And you will have the freedom to choose the best opportunities that will allow you to contribute back to society.

    I hope the kids from Charlotte land on their feet, do not repeat the mistake they made!

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    1. Team AAMPLE, Seton Hall, FAMU troll,

      If you are going to continue to troll here, at least be entertaining. Tell us about all the money you can make charging $49.00 doing traffic ticket defense. At least you are smart enough to stop writing about AAMPLE after Charlotte went down in flames.

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    2. FAMU and Southern are terrible though. If you really REALLY have to be a lawyer and you can't break 150 on the LSAT I guess they're a better option for cost, but the best option is to do something else with your life.

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    3. 126 also consistently ignores the out of state tuition for these schools and the terrible employment statistics for each-just take a look at the ABA numbers and you'll never want to attend any of them.

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  11. https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/01/the-for-profit-law-school-that-crumbled/514355/

    TTTT Woes Continue: On January 25, 2017, the Atlantic published an Oliver Bateman article entitled “The For-Profit Law School That Crumbled.” Take a look at this opening:

    “The Charlotte School of Law may not be able to outrun the latest—and most damning—chapter of its at-times-scandalous existence. For years, the for-profit school was targeted by critics for its increasingly negative student outcomes: median LSAT scores in the low 140s, state bar-passage rates that hovered around 45 percent, high student indebtedness, and lackluster employment figures. In 2014, a routine re-accreditation site visit by officials from the American Bar Association led to closer scrutiny of the school’s admissions and teaching practices. That same year, it appears the school began offering $11,200 grants to students who delayed taking the bar. During October of last year, the school was placed on probation by the American Bar Association.

    Then came the most damaging news: in mid-December, the Department of Education denied the law school’s application for recertification under Title IV of the Higher Education Act. This decision prevented Charlotte’s students from receiving federal loan money—an unprecedented decision for a law school that remains accredited, for-profit or otherwise. Now without a significant source of revenue, the school saw no choice but to fire up to two-thirds of its faculty and close several of its legal-aid clinics.

    For many years, experts had predicted the demise of underperforming law schools. The legal employment market has been especially grim since 2009, when the recession caused a sharp decline in demand for legal services—after which large firms responded by laying off substantial numbers of associates. Although the market has seen a 9 percent decline in law-school graduates from 2014 to 2015, there has been a corresponding 8.6 percent decline in the number of legal jobs that require admission to a state bar. As a result, in 2016 the number of law-school graduates exceeds that of legal jobs for them to fill. And these graduates face other obstacles besides securing a full-time job, as students who have completed three years of law school can expect to be saddled with tens of thousands of dollars in loan debt.

    To top it off, the average score on the Multistate Bar Examination (a multiple-choice section of the bar administered in every state but Louisiana) dropped to 139 in 2015, its lowest number in years—perhaps indicating that the latest crop of entry-level lawyers is less intellectually proficient than its recent predecessors.” [Emphasis mine]

    Where in the hell did this reporter get his facts?! A nine percent drop in JDs, with a corresponding 8.6% decline in legal jobs requiring bar passage, does not mean that there is a shortage of law graduates, moron. I wonder if this cretin went to a TTTT commode.

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    1. Did Bateman say that there is a shortage of law graduates? He seems to suggest the opposite:

      "a sharp decline in demand for legal services"

      "the number of law-school graduates exceeds that of legal jobs for them to fill"

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  12. Check out what the dean of Seton Hall had to say in an interview yesterday, after a 58% enrollment decline and 46% faculty reduction.

    http://www.nj.com/education/2017/02/seton_hall_law_school_qa.html

    Guess what, the job market for Seton Hall grads has never been better.

    “Our graduating classes are at virtually full employment. The market is getting stronger. The New York law firms are definitely expanding the size of their summer programs and they increased salaries for this upcoming summer as well. So, that's a definite uptick. When you look to New Jersey, we are also seeing stronger hiring.”

    Congrats to Seton Hall on achieving “virtually full employment.” They only had to put more than half the class of 2015 into temporary New Jersey judicial clerkships. Sure, the clearest sign that the legal market is improving is that big NY law firms have increased hiring and upped salaries. Only 8.8% of Seton Hall graduates last year obtained employment with firms of 101+ lawyers. But hey, NY big law hiring practices must apply to all of the Seton Hall grads.

    Even though the legal market is amazing for Seton Hall grads, you will not believe the new opportunities for JDs outside of law.

    “One of the things that's going on in the legal world are the emerging new legal professions, which may or may not be populated by lawyers. You have the entirely new fields of compliance, enterprise risk management, privacy officers and cyber security officers.”

    When the dean was given the chance to explain why law school is still a good idea, she forgot to mention the million dollar study written by Seton Hall’s Michael Simkovic.

    “People in so many different fields tell me that a legal education is one of the best graduate educations that you can get. It teaches you to think in a different way, to be incredibly analytical, to be good on your feet. It's essentially all of the skills you need to be successful in any walk of life.”

    Yes, the education is so great that law school graduates can put their analytical skills to use as parole officers, exterminators, tennis instructors, and lingerie salespeople.

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    1. Shittin' Hole's special advantage over other toilets of similar, er, quality is the abundance of low-grade judicial clerkships in its state. But there's a big difference between a federal clerkship (such as the one that Old Guy held) and a gig at traffic court in East-by-Northeast-Bumblefuck-by-the-Sea, New Jersey.

      Seton Hall also happens to be relatively close to the New York metropolitan area. As the author above suggested, however, graduates of Shittin' Hole seldom find favor with white-shoe firms in Manhattan.

      Positions that "may or may not be populated by lawyers" aren't much good for students of law. Those key words "may or may not" really mean "won't". Lawyers will not be hired as pencil-pushers in "the emerging new legal professions".

      The old canard of "thinking like a lawyer" is just propaganda dished up by The Paper Chase. There is no reason to suppose that law school teaches any style of thinking (let alone a lawyer's, if indeed it differ from that of any other rational adult) or that law professors even have the ability to impart such skills.

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  13. I didn't see him mention a law graduate shortage in that article. That seems to be the opposite of his point, actually. Have I misread?

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  14. Go check out their financial aid page. No mention that their students are no longer eligible for federal student loans:

    http://www.charlottelaw.edu/financial-aid.html

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  15. "How much was your cost of attendance, when you attended West Virginia University Commode of Law?"

    Scott Sigman was a member of the JD class of 1996 at WVU. In inflation adjusted terms using 2014 dollars as a constant, the tuition in 1996 was $6,472 for in-state students, and was $16,856 for non-resident students.

    In 2014, the comparable numbers were $18,234 for in-state, and $34,524 for non-residents. In other words, in-state tuition went up nearly 300% since Sigman went to law school, and non-resident tuition went up over 200%.

    Data is taken from here:

    https://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/original-research-updated/the-lstb-data/#West%20Virginia%20University%20College%20of%20Law

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    1. The cost of education at all levels of higher education is absolutely ludicrous.

      There is no rational reason for why education costs so much. It's just that it became an excellent way to scam the stupid middle and lower classes, who will believe anything you tell them and try to screw their children over with it.

      I'm sort of wondering what the next great ponzi scheme is. The first gen in always does the best, the second gen at least gets to keep what they went in with, and the last group in loses everything. Right now, everyone under 35 in America is the last group in, on every level. Education, healthcare, pensions/social security, housing, really everything.

      What's left? What's the new scheme to trick people, and create at least another generation of marks? The current indebted and hopeless generation aren't having kids, so unless something changes the Western ponzi scheme might die.

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  16. The lemmings at Charlotte are broke, have no food, can’t afford rent, and now they are being threatened by the school.

    A Charlotte lemming told a school official via email, “cut the b***s*** and finally, actually level with the few students who remain.” The school responded by accusing the lemming of violating an honor code requirement to “act professionally, respectfully and with integrity.”

    The school official threatened the lemming and said, “every law student seeking entry to the bar must be certified by the law school that the student possesses satisfactory character and fitness. Your actions, both by the language used in the emails and the subsequent post and comments on social media, call into question whether you possess that character and fitness.”

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article130148924.html

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    1. Oh, come the fuck on. The word bullshit was a reasonable response to the provocation of ignoring the students. Besides, it is not coarse language. The dictionary that I checked labels it "Slang", although plain old shit gets the label "Vulgar".

      In any event, a single intemperate message doesn't gainsay character and fitness.

      The threat is nothing but a contemptible high-handed attempt to squelch a legitimate complaint.

      By the way, harlot of Harlotte, learn some grammar, for god's fucking sake.

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    2. Like the state bar is going to give credence to anything management from a closed school has to say.

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  17. http://abovethelaw.com/2017/01/charlotte-law-needs-a-food-bank-for-students/

    On January 31, 2017, Joe Patrice posted an ATL entry labeled "Charlotte Law Needs A Food Bank For Students." Here is the full text of that article:

    "There’s really not a lot to say here.

    After Charlotte School of Law’s declining standards prompted the federal government to pull the plug on access to student loans, and then the school rebuffed a negotiated agreement to open up funds for students to help them complete their education, everyone expected things to get rough for the students left high and dry without funds in the midst of their legal educations. But very few — especially among older attorneys with a sepia filter over their sense of the weight of modern student debt — fully grasped the human cost of putting students through a few years of law school tuition and then cutting them off without job prospects.

    Perhaps this will drive home what this means:

    A GoFundMe page has been set up to help Charlotte School of Law students with their living expenses after a recent U.S. Department of Education decision that they will not receive federal loan money for the spring semester.

    Many of these students need help eating now. Professor Scott Sigman started the fundraiser to help alleviate the pressures now heaped upon Charlotte students just trying to get out of school and face their equally grim prospects on the outside.

    ABA Journal reports that the school is handing out interest-free, $1,000 loans. I know $1,000 gets you more in Charlotte than it would in New York, but I’ve got a feeling this isn’t going to help much.

    Especially when you juxtapose this move with the negotiated “teach out” settlement they brushed off. The school could have helped the students get their degrees through their partner… but apparently they’ve opted for getting students into further debt.

    But at least it’s interest-free.

    What a mess."

    If this trash pit is still in operation next year, cretins will continue to apply there - even if the student loan situation is not clear by then. After all, stupid lemmings need to "follow their dreams." They do not have the mental capacity to figure out that this is a garbage "investment." Hence, they must experience massive failure for themselves. Have fun eating Ramen noodles and canned beans, idiots.

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    1. The "teach-out" proposal would not have helped the students. A degree from Horrida Coastal still would have been about as good as spent toilet paper. Besides, students who are living in North Carolina cannot be expected to pull up stakes on a few days' notice and move to Florida.

      In any event, InfiLaw of course put itself first, and it didn't want to assume the many conditions that that proposal entailed.

      Anyone who'd apply to Harlotte after all this shit is a total idiot who deserves the ensuing calamity. Warning: If you are ass enough to apply to Harlotte or indeed any other InfiLaw toilet from this point on, don't come crying to Old Guy.

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    2. It appears this school will remain in business, but after all this bad press and ready information EVERYWHERE, under what circumstances would anyone apply/attend? I don't expect an answer, but this is beyond lemming/Special Snowflake, etc status; under any analysis, no on should even be applying. I'll never understand it.

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  18. There is a news story that 4 different North Carolina law firms are actively soliciting current and former students to join lawsuits against Charlotte Sewer of law. Full webpages have been launched by these firms to solicit students. The firms are advertising through google. We have reached a point where instead of seeing legal commercials asking, “do you or a loved one have mesothelioma,” we will see, “were you or a loved one defrauded by an ABA accredited law school?” Despite all of this, if Sterling Partners keeps Charlotte Sewer of Law going next fall, lemmings will enroll. Hell, the FDA and pharmaceutical industry behave more ethically than the ABA and the law school cartel. At least the drug companies and FDA pulled most of the selective COX-2 inhibitors like Vioxx from the market after it turned out those drugs increased the risk of heart attacks and strokes. But if a law school like Charlotte lies to students and leaves them on the hook with $150k in debt, poor job prospects, and a high risk of failing the bar, the ABA slaps them on the wrist.

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  19. http://blogs.findlaw.com/greedy_associates/2017/01/charlotte-law-schools-starving-students.html

    On January 31, 2017, William Vogeler posted a Greedy Associates entry that was entitled "Food Drive Kicks off for Charlotte Law School's Starving Students." Bon appétit:

    "Charlotte School of Law's food drive brings new meaning to the phrase, "starving students."

    The embattled law school is in fact holding a food drive for its own students. Since the Department of Education cut off student funds to the school last month, some students literally cannot afford to buy food.

    "How can we be prepared for class when we can't feed ourselves?" said third-year student Margaret Kocaj. "How can we study when we have headaches because we can't afford to eat? This is our reality now. There are no words."

    The Failure of the For-Profit School

    The situation for Charlotte law school is becoming desperate, but it has been going downhill or some time. For years, the law school has been under scrutiny for its low admission standards and poor bar pass rates. The American Bar Association placed Charlotte on probation last year with the possibility of revoking its accreditation, and the Department of Education suspended loans -- about $50 million last year -- for similar academic failings and misleading students.

    Before the spring semester opened last week, the failing law school fired two-thirds of it faculty and staff. About half of its students have not returned to class, and some have simply run out of money.

    Scott Sigman, director of the school's clinical programs, sent an email to students over the weekend that food is available for those who need it.

    "I know that times are uncertain right now," he wrote. "If you are low on funds and in need of food, please take what you need, keeping in mind that others may have needs as well."

    The food includes canned and boxed foods, cereal, peanut butter and bread. His email also asked for donations, including baby food because some students have young children at home.

    Let Them Eat Briefs

    With a bad taste in their mouths, students sued Charlotte last month for deceiving them about the law school's poor performance. Rob Barchiesi is one of the plaintiffs, who say the school hid information from them last year about the problems that have led to its failures in accreditation and funding.

    "By remaining open the school has done more harm than good, and the results appear to be starving students who are on the verge of homelessness. It's incredible," he said.

    Charlotte is part of a consortium operated by InfiLaw Systems, a for-profit venture that also runs Florida Coastal School of Law and Arizona Summit School of Law. Those schools have also been scrutinized for low admissions and poor performance, while ranking at the bottom in national rankings for law schools based on students' returns on investment."

    Still want to take the TTTT plunge, Lemming?!?! Perhaps, you can survive on dog food and water. However, after earning a 142 LSAT score and spending three years in law school, you will still not be equipped to pass the bar exam - or to get hired by a decent law firm. By the way, if you are enrolled in an ABA cesspit and you have small children, then you are officially a waterhead.

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  20. I got it Nando, I got it! They can eat each other for food. It's sorta like a "Highlander" / "Lord of the Flies" cross type of thing..

    What??

    WHAT?

    Seriously, did anyone catch that the $1000 from the school isn't free. It's yet ANOTHER LOAN!!!

    Unbelievable!!

    Like, "After we've raped you for hundreds of thousands of dollars in non-dischargeable student loans.. we'll rape you for $1000 more - for food!!"

    You didn't think they were going to GIVE you $1000, did you??

    This is just a fucking joke..

    Evil, greedy people fleecing the Proles for all they can get. Get used to it, Lemmings. That is America. It ain't gonna change when you get out into the Real World either. Plus, you'll be far, far behind even the 99% being -$200 to $300k in debt - a net worth of less than ZERO, etc.

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    1. Harlotte can, and will, secure repayment of that thousand-dollar loan by holding up the degree until the debt is paid.

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  21. Harlotte has threatened a student with an adverse report on character and fitness after he sent a message demanding that Harlotte's maladministration "cut the bullshit".

    The assistant dean of "student success", however, uses the word fuck and similar pleasantries in reference to Harlotte's students and even to the head of InfiLaw. When a high-ranking member of the faculty deploys such coarse language in personal attacks, why shouldn't a student use a much milder word in reference to stonewalling and prevarication?

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