Wednesday, July 5, 2017

Fourth Tier Trash Can Florida Coastal School of Law to Further Shrink Enrollment and Reduce Classes


http://jacksonville.com/news/education/2017-06-30/florida-coastal-cuts-enrollment-classes-boost-bar-exam-results

Beautiful News!: On June, the Florida Times-Union published an Amanda Williamson piece entitled “Florida Coastal cuts enrollment, classes to boost Bar exam results.” Enjoy this wondrous opening:

“Florida Coastal School of Law plans to cut enrollment and reduce course offerings as its leadership looks to avoid a fate similar to its sister schools in North Carolina and Arizona.

Within the past year, the American Bar Association placed both Charlotte Law School and Arizona Summit Law School on probation for admission policies and academic standards. 

Jacksonville’s Florida Coastal expects to see an enrollment decline for the fall semester as it rolls out stricter admission requirements for incoming first-year students. The tougher criteria is just one piece of the for-profit school’s plan to bolster its own bar passage and employment rates — both issues the school has been criticized for in the past.

“In order to raise standards, we have to shrink the size of our classes,” Florida Coastal Dean Scott DeVito said. 

Research indicates doing well on the Law School Admission Test can result in a better chance of passing the bar on the first try, but that’s not always the case. Schools continue, however, to place heavy weight on the standardized test. 

Florida Coastal intends to raise the minimum score accepted by the law school nearly 7 points.

“That is the type of lever you can pull on to predict bar passage rates,” DeVito said. “It is hard to tell based on GPA and school choice.”

According to the American Bar Association, Florida Coastal extended offers to more than 59 percent of the students who applied in 2016. The year before they offered 71 percent of applicants a spot at the Jacksonville institution. As the criteria increases, those numbers can be expected to go down — at least until the applicant pool matches the quality of student Florida Coastal hopes to enroll.” [Emphasis mine]

Do you still want to take the TTTT plunge, waterhead?!?! This festering pile of garbage readily admits applicants with 2.9 UGPAs and 145 LSAT scores. Without doing so, the enrollment would be even lower now. Once the pigs at this commode realize that if they stop taking such cretins – without losing some faculty – then they will keep accepting morons who have no place representing others in legal matters.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2017/07/after-71-enrollment-decline-florida-coastal-plans-to-further-shrink-1l-class-to-raise-minimum-lsat-s.html#comments

Other Coverage: On July 3, 2017, Paul Caron provided a rundown of the situation at Florida Coa$TTTTal Sewer of Law – in an entry labeled “After 71% Enrollment Decline, Florida Coastal Plans To Further Shrink 1L Class To Raise Minimum LSAT Score By 7 Points And Avoid Fate Of Arizona Summit, Charlotte Law Schools.” Since his report is a cut and paste job, I will provide this comment from that post. It is courtesy of Old Ruster, from July 3, 2017 at 9:31:48 AM.

“Speaking of the LSAT, Coastal's dean stated:

“That is the type of lever you can pull on to predict bar passage rates,” DeVito said. “It is hard to tell based on GPA and school choice.” 

How nice to have in such a clear public statement, a fact that lots of deans of schools with recently-lowered admissions criteria still don't want to admit!!”

Unfortunately, since many fools cannot be bothered to conduct 10 minutes of research into the cost of “legal education” and the GLUTTED job market for lawyers, ABA-accredited stench pits will continue to operate. The swine at Florida Coa$TTTTal claim that they want to take proactive measures to keep enrollment down. Even Pig DeVito has admitted that LSAT scores are a good indicator of those who will pass or fail the bar exam.

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/floridacoastal/

LST Entrance Info: Take a look at the following data from Law School Transparency, regarding this dung heap. For the class that entered Fall 2016:

75th percentile LSAT: 149 
50th percentile LSAT: 144 
25th percentile LSAT: 141
75th percentile UGPA: 3.27
50th percentile UGPA: 2.87
25th percentile UGPA: 2.57 [Emphasis mine]

Truly embarrassing admission numbers. What the hell more needs to be said about those pathetic figures? 

Conclusion: In the final analysis, Florida Coa$TTTTal Sewer of Law is a rancid cess pit with no redeeming qualities. It does not benefit society, students, graduates, potential legal clients, or the “profession.” If you are stupid enough to even consider attending this FOR-PROFIT, FOURTH TIER TRASH PIT, then you have proven yourself to be too damn dumb to order food from a drive through menu. I wouldn’t trust you to walk home alone safely, from the corner convenience store. The odds are higher that you would walk carelessly into traffic, dunce.

33 comments:

  1. This change is about one thing only: how to continue the federal loan dollars flowing into this TTTT's coffers.

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  2. Pretty bad when this article shows up on the first page of results from a popular search engine....

    http://butidideverythingrightorsoithought.blogspot.com/2011/06/florida-coastal-school-of-law-beware.html

    Word's been out about this shitstain of a law school for close to a decade now. Anyone stupid enough to enroll deserves the fate which most assuredly awaits them.

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    1. If you use an Android phone to look up this place, that site shows up on page two. That might be why people are jumping into these jacked-up shithole law skools, they aren't looking hard enough at law school criticism.....but then I avoided going to lawl skool in the first place.

      - Strelnikov

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  3. Are any of the Infilaw skools not shrinking in size?

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  4. Oh that picture is too f*cking foul....

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  5. If you go to any school with the word Coast in it you're a retard.

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  6. Raise the LSAT score seven points? Sure. And Indiana Tech was going to rank third out of the five law skules in Indiana before it opened.

    Do it first; then talk.

    How could Horrida Coastal raise its median LSAT score from 144 to 151? Cutting out the bottom half of the class would raise it only to 149. Let's suppose that cutting the class to one-third of the size would do the trick. Well, revenues from tuition and fees (which represent almost all of the revenues) will fall to an even smaller fraction, as the ones currently near the top are getting substantial discounts (called "scholarships" in scamster lingo), while the ones at the bottom are paying full fare. How can beleaguered Horrida Coastal survive with so much less money? Its whole business model, like those of the scores of other scam schools, is based on admitting lousy-ass people by the boatload.

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  7. How will Sterling Partners make any money with this approach?
    Florida Jokestal would have to offer full rides to get anybody with a decent LSAT score to enroll.

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    1. That isn't enough. Whom are they going to get for free tuition: a 150? a 151? These people can get free tuition at toilets that they'd prefer to Horrida Coastal.

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  8. What a disgustingly and ridiculously putrid example this is.




    The picture is pretty bad too!

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  9. If 149 was good enough for 75th percentile would a 152 put one in the 99th percentile at this shithole?

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  10. http://www.fcsl.edu/admissions.html

    "Admissions

    Florida Coastal School of Law welcomes students whose academic abilities meet the challenges of our programs. We are strongly committed to making legal education more accessible to qualified students and strive to prepare our graduates with real world legal intelligence. Applications are accepted and reviewed on a rolling basis throughout the year."

    [Read: we'll take anyone with a pulse.] "Qualified students" means anyone who can muster a 139 on the LSAT. What impressive admi$$ion$ "standards," huh?!?!

    http://www.fcsl.edu/our-mission.html

    "Mission Statement

    Florida Coastal School of Law has consciously structured and defined itself on the basis of some significant differentiations from traditional law schools. Florida Coastal sets itself apart on the basis of its culture, a student outcome-centered orientation, a commitment to professional preparation, educational experience, service to underserved communities, and accountability of the faculty for market-leading student outcomes. These distinguishing characteristics aim toward establishing Florida Coastal as the benchmark of inclusive excellence in professional education for the 21st Century. In furtherance of this mission, it is committed to achieving the following objectives:

    1. Provide a program of legal education designed to qualify graduates for admission to the Bar and enable them to participate effectively in the legal profession.

    2. Offer an educational experience that prepares students to deal with both current and anticipated legal problems, responds to globalization, emphasizes skills training and professionalism, and facilitates appreciation for cultural diversity.

    3. Attract a diverse student body, faculty, and staff motivated by the law school community's values and ideals.

    4. Create an institutional climate that fosters respect, trust, collaboration, and meaningful interaction among students, faculty, and staff.

    5. Provide the physical facilities, law library, and technological capacities to support the educational program, other institutional needs, and community and public service."

    Frankly, the bitches and hags at this FOURTH TIER TRASH PIT don't give a damn whether you pass the bar exam - or grow mushrooms in your ass. They simply want to get their filthy hooves on gigantic bags of federal student loan money. And you, the pupil, are the mere mean$ to that end. You are a pawn.

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  11. —— Florida Coastal School of Law has consciously structured and defined itself on the basis of some significant differentiations from traditional law schools. Florida Coastal sets itself apart on the basis of its culture, a student outcome-centered orientation, a commitment to professional preparation, educational experience, service to underserved communities, and accountability of the faculty for market-leading student outcomes.

    What shite! How can they publish such lies?

    Have a look at this:

    https://www.lstreports.com/schools/floridacoastal/jobs/

    Forty percent—yes, 40%—of the toilet's class of 2016 is "non-employed". Not a single graduate is in Big Law or a federal clerkship. So where is the "outcome-centered orientation"? Where the "accountability of the faculty for market-leading student outcomes"?

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  12. It seems the school's employment outcomes are grosser than the picture on this post.

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  13. http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/06/30/alan-greenspan-entering-very-tough-period-stagflation.html

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    1. Stagflation: Proof that if you live long enough, it all comes around again.....

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  14. Team AAMPLE:

    I would like to repost a testimony from a law graduate from Florida costal and despite these changes, hopefully they will keep the AAMPLE program in full swing:

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    Anonymous - October 4, 2014 at 6:36 PM

    I am proud to say that I graduated from Florida Coastal in December 2006. Prior to attending FCSL, I worked as a paralegal in NYC for 8 years. I decided to go to law school which was a natural continuum for my career. My goal was to have my own boutique law practice.
    In New York, at the time I decided to go to law school, out of school for 8 years, it was impossible to get into a top tier law school especially in light of the “.com” boom. Also, as a thirty year old, I was forced with the reality of paying for my own legal education and quite simply, FCSL was a fraction of the cost of any NY law school. In fact, with an earned scholarship, I have already paid off all my student loans. And I promise you that is the truth!!
    Moving to Florida was a nice change from the harsh dark winters in the Northeast. I bought a house where I lived and studied. I met great people in school and out. My commute was by car and not by ferry and train. To be honest, Florida was a perfect escape from the rat race and chaos of NYC.
    In pursuit of my goal, I was driven, studied hard and graduated a semester early. I was focused on a goal and all I needed was a JD to achieve it. Through FC, I was able to attain it.
    I don’t understand all the negativity. I always had the attitude, go out and get it. Don’t blame a school. Self-evaluate as to what it is that you are doing wrong. I can’t see how having a law degree can hurt anyone.
    I have to attest that FC prepared me incredibly for trials. I have worked alongside many NY and NJ graduates who tremble at the thought of going into a courtroom, let alone, doing a trial. I was also on Moot Court which was no joke. It also prepared me to write and win my own appeals.
    Lastly, I have to laugh because I am at the same closings and in the same courtroom, working on the same cases, as another attorney who may or may not have attended a Top Tier or whatever law school. I took the same NY bar as they did and passed on the first try, thanks to the bar prep I received while at FC.
    People, life is what you make of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Set goals and then make the sacrifices to achieve them. I did and I am exactly where I want to be in life.
    Stop wasting your time on being negative, ranting, and blaming a school. Be positive and motivate, don’t hate.

    Jeannette Poyerd-Loiacono
    Law Office of Jeannette Poyerd-Loiacono, PLLC

    *****


    You see, all the fear mongering is not called for. Its ok to highlight the changing of the legal industry , but a JD is a JD no matter which school you go to!

    Follow your dreams, run the numbers, and work hard, network, and aim high!

    You too can be a bar card carrying member! Debt should not keep you from your dreams!

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    1. SOURCE:

      http://butidideverythingrightorsoithought.blogspot.com/2011/06/florida-coastal-school-of-law-beware.html

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      Oh, debt shouldn't keep you from your dreams.. Lovely. Let's look at that, shall we?

      https://www.lstreports.com/schools/floridacoastal/

      Enough said.

      Law is all about prestige nothing more, nothing less.

      And this is ridiculous:

      "Forty percent—yes, 40%—of the toilet's class of 2016 is "non-employed". Not a single graduate is in Big Law or a federal clerkship. So where is the "outcome-centered orientation"? Where the "accountability of the faculty for market-leading student outcomes"?"

      This doesn't mean that the other 60% are doing well, they're not as per the above. Most are probably in non-legal "JD-disadvantage" jobs. Some are working in retail, some are in very small firms and some are struggling solos with ~250k plus in non-dishargeable student loan debt they have a Snowball's Chance in Hell of ever paying off.

      Think of it like this: Would you pay $250k to go into a field where there is 1 job for every 3 applicants and after 50 years, less than half of those who ended up breaking in at all are left practicing?

      Probably not..

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    2. EDIT: 5 years. Typo..

      So, 60%, probably 40% or likely 30% practicing in JD-Required jobs. After 5 years, 15%, after 10 another half gone, etc.

      It's difficult to repay $250k working sporadically or being underemployed or, more likely, unemployed.

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    3. Problem is that you are a solo and on average solos earn $40,000 a year, as per the IRS. Hard to justify a quarter million dollar degree for that income. I don't know if you have an actual office, or use a residential address as your office, but many solos have no office outside their homes. All employee benefits need to come out of your income.

      You would be much better off as a school teacher in NYC where salaries start at $60,000 with full benefits and end in the $115,000+ level with full benefits.

      Paying off the debt incurred to get a degree does not make the degree desirable. Only a degree that will give you a good income is desirable. At $40,000 a year, the cost of the degree is money down the drain.

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    4. Wrong. Miss Jeannette above (and cheers to her) is an outlier. She is/was not the average TTT student. She had significant and valuable legal experience before ever attending law school. She saw life in a firm, and the work attorneys do, and made an educated decision it was the life for her.

      The average K-JD is not this person.

      The average toileteer K-JD is a confused liberal artist trying to launder a useless BA by going into the ONLY profession which is for all practical purposes open admission and does not require any practicum. Stop pretending you don't see the critical difference between Ms. Poyerd and the average TTT matriculant.

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    5. Ms. Poyerd-Loiacono's experience is an excellent illustration of a sophisticated consumer and informed decision maker. She experienced law, from the inside, for years before making the decision to go to law school. Kids, make sure you really want to be an attorney first; see if you can get real law firm experience, even working for a sh!tlaw solo, before you commit to an experience you may not fully understand.

      Jeannette made an informed decision. I didn't. I went to one of these lower-tiered lol skools and ended up in sh!tlaw practice for three years before escaping law. I hated it. Look before you leap. Do everything you can to make sure it is for you.

      I would disagree with her reasoning that a JD cannot damage you. It definitely made things harder on me when I escaped law. Non-law employers will be HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS of refugees from the law, and believe me, many more would like to quit law than many would believe!

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    6. And now she's soloing in shitlaw. Hopefully, she's not up to ass in student loan debt and living hand to mouth in one of the most saturated legal markets in the United States.

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  15. I was watching Cartoon Network this morning and eating Coco Puffs. And after me and my roommates had a farting contest, I asked them if I chould go to Western New England or Suffolk for law school.

    I'm not worried about the debt either. But which one's gonna give me the best chance to be a lawyer? Both of my roommates (including the one that's already a attorney at law) told me both schools are pieces of shit. Which one chould I go to?

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  16. http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/article/florida-coastal-school-law-making-changes

    Back on April 11, 2017, the Daily Record posted a piece from an associate editor, Max Marbut, under the headline “Florida Coastal School of Law making changes.” Enjoy this portion:

    “InfiLaw owns three for-profit law schools in the U.S.

    Arizona Summit Law in Phoenix and Charlotte Law School in North Carolina were placed on probation in November by the American Bar Association, and Charlotte in December became the first law school in history to lose access to student loan programs administered by the U.S. Department of Education.

    At issue are admission standards, quality of education and how relatively few of the schools’ graduates pass the Bar exam on their first attempt.

    That leaves Florida Coastal School of Law, and the local legal education provider is taking steps to avoid sanction by the ABA.

    Responding by email, Florida Coastal Dean Scott DeVito said the school has been concerned that Bar exam passage rates are “well below where our models predicted they would be.”

    According to the Florida Board of Bar Examiners, in the eight Bar exams administered since February 2013, Florida Coastal graduates bettered the first-time pass rate for all law schools in the state only once (see chart).

    According to the education-rating website startclass.com, combining results from law schools in Florida and Georgia – the states Florida Coastal students are most likely to take the Bar exam – the average first-time pass rate is 61.6 percent, compared to 68.4 percent for all law schools.

    DeVito said Florida Coastal is changing the curriculum, teaching methods and raising admission standards beginning with students entering school this fall.

    According to the startclass.com, Florida Coastal students have a median LSAT of 144, one of the lowest among all law schools. The average undergraduate GPA of incoming students is 2.87, also described as one of the lowest among all law schools, where the average is 3.39.

    In addition, the website says Florida Coastal extends offers to 59.1 percent of applicants, higher than the 52.2 percent average for all law schools.

    And they don’t stick around.

    On average, 8.4 percent of first-year students at all law schools and 1.6 percent of second-year students leave school. At Florida Coastal, 38.6 percent of first-year and 12.8 percent of second-year students leave, according to the website.”

    In other words, if you can manage to form a cohrent sentence and read at an 9th grade level, then you can gain admission to this fourth tier trash pit. What a great accomplishment, huh?!?! By the way, seeing that such a large portion of the class leaves after first year, you would expect the bar passage rate to be a bit higher. Then again, law students with 149 LSATs and 3.3 UGPAs are also idiots.

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  17. I really appreciate all of the work by the scamblog movement over the years. I also appreciate all of the commenters who have shared their stories. But it appears we are only hearing from the victims of the law school scam. I want to hear from the dolts currently attending these cesspits or from the recent unemployed grads who went to law school knowing all of the risks. I’m just curious to know why they still went to law school and I want to get a sense of their intelligence. News reporters writing about Charlotte, Arizona Summit, or the other toilets don’t ask these dolts detailed questions. The reporter usually gets a quote from the dolt such as, “my dream was to be a lawyer.” However, the reporter never asks the dolt why they would go to such a terrible law school and if they knew the risks.

    I never had a career in law. So I don’t work with any of these recent grads. But some of my friends in law have relayed some sad stories about these recent dolts:

    -Idiot defense attorney took client to law enforcement to confess
    -Idiot defense attorney took client to make statement to law enforcement. Law enforcement tricks defense attorney by telling them they cannot be in room during interview. Idiot defense attorney waits outside. Lucky for the idiot defense attorney, client did not confess. Although, had the client actually confessed, I’m not sure how a court would have handled such an egregious instance of IAC.
    -A prosecutor friend in a management position told me they have a new TTTT grad. They had to counsel the new TTTT grad to write memos and motions using complete sentences, to spell check, to limit paragraphs to 4-5 sentences instead of 2 pages, among other things.
    -A criminal case was dismissed with prejudice when a prosecutor committed egregious discovery violations. The prosecutor told a witness not to hand over potential evidence because then the prosecutor would have to give it to defense. The prosecutor also responded to a defense discovery request with, “ask again later,” among other things.
    -A person I know knew the risks of going to law school but went anyways to a TTTT. They work out of a dilapidated professional building as a solo criminal defense attorney. They ranted on Facebook that a fellow criminal defense attorney complained in court that law school was a mistake and there is no money to be made in the profession. The person I know said that attorney was a loser, and they said like anything in life, you need to “hustle,” and they are building a great business.

    I imagine that there are more stories about the incompetence of recent grads.

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  18. Law school is a terrible risk for about 90% of students.

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  19. "-A person I know knew the risks of going to law school but went anyways to a TTTT. They work out of a dilapidated professional building as a solo criminal defense attorney. They ranted on Facebook that a fellow criminal defense attorney complained in court that law school was a mistake and there is no money to be made in the profession. The person I know said that attorney was a loser, and they said like anything in life, you need to “hustle,” and they are building a great business."

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    The person you know believes in the Horatio Alger myth and refuses to face the realities of the legal profession as it exists today.

    The 3 most successful people from my class have been in law now 20+ years and not one of the 3 had the grades, worked hard, etc. Let alone the IQ but I won't even address that part here.

    What they do have is extremely solid connections and are part of the PPC (Preferred, Protected, and Connected) class.

    They come from powerful, connected families that can throw business to the firms these dolts work in. Thus, regardless of all 3 being largely incompetent idiots, they have been well-established at the highest levels of the legal profession for decades now - which also proves law is full of incompetent people that succeed nonetheless.

    Competency, therefore, is also not the issue. The sole issue with success in law seems to be connections and being able to drive business into the firm. That will give you a solid career, regardless of skills.

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  20. I'm proud to say I graduated from a fifth-tier law school. Prior to that I worked 8 years as an escort/callgirl in NYC. Going to law school was a natural progression to my career because I was already accustomed to being fucked myself and with screwing my clients for money.

    I didn't let a LSAT score of 130 stand in my way. I simply offered top-notch blowjobs to several members of the admissions committee, and I was in. And I didn't worry about incurring $150K to $200K in student debt, either. I figured if worse came to worst, I could simply offer some of my upscale clients anal a couple of times a month to make my loan payments.

    I was driven and got passing grades in all my classes. If the end of the semester came around and I was not passing a class, I would simply offer a really good blowjob to the professor, or in some cases, a dominatrix session.

    By example, my school prepared me incredibly for running a sleazy operation solely for profit. Now I run my own brothel, and if one of my girls gets in trouble, I can save the legal fees and represent her myself.

    People, life is what you make of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Stop being negative and stop blaming a school for all your problems. Stay positive and hustle, network, blah, blah, blah....


    Mistress Monica, Pleasure Palace LLC

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    1. The sexual favors might go the other way. "Enroll in Bumblefuck University Law School and Higher Institute of Teaching (BULSHIT), and we'll throw in a roll in the hay with the dean of admissions."

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  21. Now that is entrepreneurial spirit there, 10:52.

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  22. http://jacksonville.com/news/2017-01-25/florida-coastal-one-two-law-schools-fail-department-education-s-gainful-employment

    Back on January 26, 2017, the Florida Times-Union published an Amanda Williamson piece that was entitled "Florida Coastal is one of two law schools to fail Department of Education's gainful employment test." Take a look at this opening:

    "Florida Coastal School of Law flunked a recent report by the Department of Education measuring its graduates’ debt-to-income ratios.

    That means the Jacksonville school, if it fails again next year, could lose access to the federal student loan program — an outcome that would leave a vast majority of its students without a way to pay for their degrees.

    According to Florida Coastal Dean Scott DeVito, the for-profit law school is appealing the department’s results.

    In the meantime, however, school staff says a plan is already in place to raise gainful employment outcomes by next year. That plan includes increased scholarships, increased admission requirements and improved bar preparation courses. “The right course of action is to stay on course,” DeVito said in an email to students.

    Florida Coastal cuts enrollment, classes to boost Bar exam results

    The Department of Education introduced an initiative in 2010 designed to keep students from becoming burdened by debt they could not repay due to degrees that often left them struggling to obtain meaningful employment.

    Whether vocational programs at for-profit schools and non-degree programs at community colleges could obtain federal funding became lassoed to this new regulation, called gainful employment. Degree programs fail gainful employment measurements if a typical graduate’s loan payments exceed 20 percent of his or her discretionary income or 8 percent of total earnings.

    The regulations took effect in July 2015, and the department released its first gainful employment report this month.

    Two for-profit law schools failed to meet requirements: Charleston School of Law and Florida Coastal School of Law. State universities and non-profit institutions do not fall under gainful employment. Florida Coastal’s debt-to-earnings annual rate was 21.35 percent, and its debt-to-discretionary-income rate was 34.63 percent.

    According to the Department of Education, roughly 85 percent of Florida Coastal students received loans or grants as of spring 2012. That equates to about $76 million in federal direct loans."

    Sadly, cretins and waterheads will continue to enroll in this toilet and other similarly situated cesspits. What a great $y$tem, huh?!?!

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  23. I currently go to AJMLS (also for-profit), and I cannot believe that it is not on probation. The Infilaw schools must be completely awful for them to somehow be worse than AJMLS, so much so as to warrant probation and cutting off federal funding.

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