Thursday, December 21, 2017

Fifth Tier Diploma Factory: Lincoln Memorial University John J. Duncan Jr. School of Law


https://www.lmunet.edu/academics/schools/duncan-school-of-law/admissions/tuition-cost-of-attendance

Tuition: Who wouldn’t want to attend law school at a univer$ity named after Abraham Lincoln? The commode lists tuition as $1,150 per credit hour. Since first year students will typically take 30 credit hours, this means that the full-time tuition bill will amount to $34,500 – for the 2017-2018 academic year.

Fees add $420 per semester, or $840 for the full school year. I suppose that the people running this place think that their potential students are too lazy or stupid to figure out this simple math. What a great bargain for the pupils at this wondrous in$TTTTTiTTTTTuTTTTTion of “legal education.”

Total Cost of Attendance: Based on this same page, the school estimates that indirect costs will run you and additional $22,090. The rodents derive at this figure by the following breakdown: $2,250 in books and supplies; loan fees of $240; personal expenses of $1,600, room and board at $15,000; and transportation costs of $3,000. Counting tuition and fees, this would lead to a total budget of $57,430. In fact, this amount is confirmed by the section at the bottom of the page, entitled “Typical First-Year Tuition, Fees, & Living Expenses.”

Seeing that actual law students will require expenses throughout the entire damn year, and not just for the magical period when classes are in session, we will prorate the following items: miscellaneous, room and board, and transportation. Doing so, we reach the more accurate total estimated COA of $63,963. This is for a solitary year of law school. Still want to take the TTTTT plunge, lemming?

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+9

Ranking: At those costs, this school must have a sterling reputation among the academic and legal communities, right? Well, according to a defunct magazine called US “News” & World Report, Lincoln Memorial Univer$iTTTTTy Duncan $chool of Law is rated as a fifth tier pile of rancid vomit. Bob Morse at that rag prefers to use the term “Unranked” – to describe these bottom-feeding cesspits. What a tremendous accomplishment! Of course, that refers to “law professors” and administrators being able to get cretins with Bachelor’s degrees to sign on the TTTTT dotted line.

https://www.lmunet.edu/public/uploads/law/EmploymentSummary-2017.pdf

Published Employment Placement Statistics: In order to get a glimpse of job prospects coming out of this dung heap, we will look at the school’s Employment Summary for 2016 Graduates. According to this form, there were only 17 members of this cohort. A total of 14 reported working in full-time gigs requiring bar passage, and the other three were employed in professional positions, within 10 months of receiving their diplomas. None were put in jobs that were funded by the university or law school. This means that this place had full employment, i.e. 100% “placement.” Even Duke Law cannot achieve this level, without resorting to its Bridge to Practice.

Scroll down to Employment Type. You will notice that 10 members of this graduating class were reportedly working in private law firms. High-ranked schools would be envious of these outcomes. Then again, this is a tiny sample size. Furthermore, here is a better picture: four of these JDs went into solo practice, another four were in offices of 2-10 lawyers, and one single grad was in a firm of 11-25 attorneys. Looking at the silver lining, one member of this cohort was working in an office of 101-250 lawyers. However, that was in a full-time, short-term position. Also, that could be a kid with the right family name. None were in clerkships, even at the state or local level.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/grad-debt-rankings/page+6

Average Law School Indebtedness: US “News” lists the average law student indebtedness - for those members of the Lincoln Memorial Univer$iTTTTTy Duncan $chool of Law Class of 2016 who incurred debt for law school - as $89,779. Fully 94% of this school’s 2016 graduating cohort took on such vile debt. That means that one JD – out of the 17 grads – did not take on any educational loans for a law degree. Remember that this amount doesn’t include debt from undergrad, and it also does not take accrued interest into account, while the student is enrolled in TTTTT law school.

It is notable that while Lincoln Memorial Univer$iTTTTTy SOL is ranked in the fifth tier in terms of overall qualiTTTTy, the school “merely” has the 134th highest average law student debt amount, for the Class of 2016. That is an incredible achievement! I suppose that the school should at least be placed in the fourth tier, with this debt figure in place. Only one member of this TTTTT cohort did not incur any student debt for a law degree. Would anyone be surprised if this was the same JD who got a full-time but short-term job in a firm of 101-250 attorneys? Good luck doing better than toilet law. Perhaps, you can get a job reviewing insurance applications.

Conclusion: Avoid this pile of waste at all costs. In the final analysis, the best you can hope for coming out of this fifth tier trash can is to obtain a job with an office of 2-10 lawyers. Those tend to be “eat what you kill” types of employment. If you have great sales skills – and you have a knack for legal practice – then you can make much better income by working directly in sales. You don’t have to piss away three years of your life – or incur an additional $100K+ in non-dischargeable debt – in the process.

That route does not require you to give up three years of earning a full-time salary. You would also not need to break your ass – in order to be approved to practice law in a single state. Plus, you will not have rigid court deadlines – and you will not need to shell out serious money each year for a law license of CLE credits. Even if you manage to get hired by a small firm, do the math to see manageable it will be to repay your student loans on a $40K annual income. You can do something more productive with your life – while saving a ton of money. By the way, this school opened its TTTTT doors in Fall 2011. Enjoy that alumni network.

11 comments:

  1. Über-toilet Lincoln Memorial got only 13 first-year students in 2012, and only 25 in 2014. This year, however, enrollment shot up to 100, according to the filed 509 form recently filed with the ABA. Of those, 6 were not admitted from the applicant pool. What could that mean?

    Well, Lincoln Memorial snatched up 28 pieces of flotsam from the shipwreck of Charlotte, as well as 5 other transfer students. Ordinarily transfer students go into the second year, rarely the third. It seems that Lincoln Memorial, like a number of other toilet schools, has admitted people by "transfer" into the first year. Such "transfers" must receive little or no academic credit; they're expected to start all over, no doubt because of piss-poor performance the first time round.

    When I first reported on this practice (just a few months ago), I criticized it as inappropriate. People who have done so poorly that not even a Valpo or will give them academic credit (as was the case with one "transfer" student from Indiana Tech) should be required to apply anew, not through a transfer procedure. After all, they won't be transferring any credits, and they are proven failures, so they should actually face additional scrutiny that wouldn't attach to applicants with no history of attending law school. But some toilet schools seem happy to admit these students by "transfer" so as to grab their money without reporting their presumably abysmal LSAT scores.

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    1. I think I mentioned this a while back, a small worry that some law schools closing would be a boon to other law schools who would happily snatch up the dumped students for the federal loan $$$. Then again, hopefully it’s only a short-term trend.

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    2. Is Valpo getting ready to close its doors or something? Their enrollment is way down.

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  2. LMU Duncan has a tiny enrollment. How do they stay afloat? How many profs do they even have?

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  3. It's usually a good sign your law skool is a piece of shit if the name is that long.

    How big does the diploma have to be to fit all that on it?

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  4. Law schools like this one are a fucking joke. When those resumes come in law firms have to just shake their head and wonder if it's a real law school.

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  5. Abraham Lincoln didn't go to law school. And this toilet charges $34k a year in tuition.

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  6. Let’s take a look at how difficult it is to gain entry into the trash pit known as Lincoln Memorial Univer$iTTTTTy John J. Duncan Jr. $chool of Law. These are the admi$$ion figures, courtesy of Law School Transparency.

    https://www.lstreports.com/schools/lmu/admissions/

    Here are the numbers for those who started their TTTTT “legal education” at Lincoln Memorial University in Fall 2016:

    25th percentile LSAT: 146
    50th percentile LSAT: 148
    75th percentile LSAT: 152
    25th percentile UGPA: 2.73
    50th percentile UGPA: 3.12
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.38

    Now, review the LSAT scores and undergraduate GPAs for those who entered this ABA-accredited cesspit in Fall 2011:

    25th percentile LSAT: 143
    50th percentile LSAT: 148
    75th percentile LSAT: 151
    25th percentile UGPA: 2.66
    50th percentile UGPA: 2.99
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.33

    In sum, this commode saw an increase in 25th percentile and 75th percentile LSAT scores, and 25th percentile UGPA, and 50th percentile UPGA – in 2016, compared to 2011. Median LSAT was the same for both years. In 2016, the commode was less selective in regards to 75th percentile UGPA. Then again, I suppose that the school merely wanted to get as many asses into its inaugural class as possible. They had only 34 first year students enrolled in 2011, and they were up to 61 suckers in Fall 2016.

    https://www.lstreports.com/schools/lmu/

    Employment Score: 52.9% for 2016 grads
    Under-Employment Score: 5.9% for 2016 grads
    2015 Bar Passage Rate: 63.2%
    Non-Discounted Cost: $203,696

    If you have a half decent job, then you have no business even looking at such a dung heap. Do you believe that non-law employers will be impressed if they see a law degree on a resume? That is simply not the case, fool. In fact, HR departments and managers will use the old excuse that you are “overqualified.” That simply means that they do not want to pay you what you think you are worth. Evidently, those companies don’t recognize that legions of law grads would be thrilled to make $48K a year - even if they are carrying $150K+ in non-dischargeable, student loan debt.

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  7. Non-ABA law skools would be ranked higher.

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  8. Tennessee added two law schools in the 2010s. Why'd the ABA approve that for?

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  9. From the toilet's "About" page:

    https://www.lmunet.edu/academics/schools/duncan-school-of-law/about/lmu-law

    "LMU Law

    Our Heritage. Your Future.

    At LMU LAW, we are excited about our future and want you to be part of it. Lincoln Memorial University founded the John J. Duncan, Jr. School of Law in 2009 to become a key player in training tomorrow’s lawyers. Our location in downtown Knoxville, accessible faculty, first-rate facilities, and rigorous curriculum provide a learning environment that puts our students at the forefront of legal education.

    In just a few years, LMU LAW has already begun making a positive impact wholly disproportionate to our size. We have established a rapport with members of the bench, the bar, and the wider community. Our faculty members are experts in their fields who also participate in public service initiatives with local schools, clinics, social agencies, and other organizations.

    Anxious to see the law come to life, our students are active in pro bono work, internships, externships, and countless student organizations. Our students have also enjoyed success in moot court competitions and mock trial tournaments. These activities complement a comprehensive classroom experience offering small classes, accessible teachers, and an academic support program that one external consultant described as one of the best in the country. If you are interested in a legal education that is anything but conventional, let us help you unlock your potential."

    The school is a fifth tier dung heap, and it has a tiny alumni base. Those are not assets, when you are looking for legal employment. Again, you should avoid this place. Don't even consider attending such a trash pit.

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