Monday, December 11, 2017

Three Puero Rican Piles of Rot: Inter American University of Puerto Rico School of Law, Pontifical Catholic University of Puerto Rico School of Law, and University of Puerto Rico School of Law


The American Bar Association has accredited three law schools in Puerto Rico. Since I doubt that these cesspits take in many cretins and waterheads from Florida, California, or the other 48 States, these dumps are not worthy of their own individual profile on this site. However, I will provide an analysis of them in this entry, for the benefit of the relative few dumb enough to apply to – or enroll in – these dung heaps.

Their respective official names are Universidad Interamericana de Puerto Rico Escuela de Derecho, Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Puerto Rico Escuela de Derecho, and Universidad de Puerto Rico Escuela de Derecha. Of note, Interamerican University’s law school started an English language JD program in 2015. Perhaps, after a night of smoking too much pot, you might peruse these schools – in order to see if you have a place that is willing to accept you.

http://www.derecho.inter.edu/inter/node/561

Inter American’s Impressive Stats: Sometimes it is best to let the schools make your point, in their own words. Enjoy:

“MEDIAN

For the academic year 2015-2016 the median scores of admitted students were:

LSAT 138 GPA 3.22” [Emphasis mine]

Essentially, a person could monkey-guess on the LSAT and earn a tepid undergraduate GPA in Gender Studies from a fifth-rate college or university – and still gain admi$$ion to this law school. What sterling academic credentials, huh?

http://law-schools.startclass.com/l/134/Pontifical-Catholic-University-of-P-R

Pontifical’s Stupendous Outcomes: According to this source, here are some of the key metrics at this place:

“Acceptance Rate: 66.9%
Median LSAT: 134
Median Undergraduate GPA: 3.28
Employment Rate of Graduates: 49% 
Bar Pass Rate: 32.1%” [Emphasis mine]

Prostitutes with facial hair are more selective! Who would want to be represented by these graduates in any legal matter?

http://law-schools.startclass.com/l/135/University-of-Puerto-Rico

University of Puerto Rico’s Amazing Numbers: This same source provides the following information on UPR School of Law. It clearly takes a little more to get into this amazing JD program:

Acceptance Rate: 65.8%
Median LSAT: 143
Median Undergraduate GPA: 3.52
Employment Rate of Graduates: 69.6%
Bar Pass Rate: 53% [Emphasis mine]

With those numbers, this is basically the Harvard of Puerto Rican law schools. What a tremendous accomplishment!

https://www.lstreports.com/schools/interamerican/

Tuition: Law School Transparency was able to find the tuition rates charged by each of these three diploma mills. Sticking to our alphabetical order listing, the tuition bill at Inter-American is $16,603. That figure is $17,048 at PonTTTTTifical CaTTTTTholic Univer$iTTTTTy of PuerTTTTTo Rico. In good news, the University of Puerto Rico SOL only charges $7,131 in annual tuition for residents. Of course, this is still too much to pay for such a shoddy product. Then again, plenty of fools will be happy to take the plunge.

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/law-rankings/page+8

Ranking: As you can see, all three of these stinking piles of rot – InTTTTTer American UniversiTTTTTy of PuerTTTTTo Rico SOL, PonTTTTTifical CaTTTTTholic UniversiTTTTTy of PuerTTTTTo Rico SOL, and the UniversiTTTTTy of PuerTTTTTo Rico SOL – are rated as fifth tier garbage cans – by US “News” & World Report. In the parlance of that former magazine, they are listed under the “Unranked” category of ABA-approved law schools. Yes, doesn’t that just inspire you to enroll in one of these three programs of “legal education”? Hell, the degrees aren’t worth the cost of the paper they are printed on, folks.

Conclusion: In the end, if you are even considering applying to any of these three commodes, then you are a lost cause. These are not the equivalent of Caribbean medical schools, where you can still get licensed and make a good living. You would be much better off remaining in your dead-end job. At least then, you would be making money – which would allow you to pay bills, put food in your fridge, and provide for rent. That has to count for something.

Avoid these diploma factories at all costs – even if you currently reside there. Look at the pathetic bar passage rates, and the ridiculously low employment “placement” figures at these three toilets. Will a JD help you in your customer service rep job for AT&T, assisting consumers with cell phone issues? If not, then why spend three years of your life on this TTTTT venture?

18 comments:

  1. Without wishing to defend the three law schools in Puerto Rico, I must point out that low LSAT scores from those schools are only natural, since the largely hispanophone student body has to take the test in a non-native language. (About three years ago, the LSAC began to offer a version of the LSAT in Spanish for use in Puerto Rico only, but the scoring differs from that of the English version, and the scores cannot yet be compared.) I read Spanish well but would be at a disadvantage if I took a test like the LSAT in that language, although I'd still expect to do a damn sight better than the low 140s.

    It's worth noting that the student body of the U of Puerto Rico outperforms Cooley's on the LSAT.

    Also, Puerto Rico's legal system, like Louisiana's, is based primarily on civil law. A degree from a gringo law school might not offer adequate preparation for the Puerto Rican bar.

    As you mentioned, Nando, a typical 0L from the US would not be interested in the Puerto Rican schools, or even qualified to attend them. That's why I tend to omit the Puerto Rican schools from discussions of the law-school scam. Even if the Puerto Rican schools are toilets of Cooley calibre, they don't fall within the mainstream of the law-school scam.

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  2. If you want to be someone in P.R. like governor some day, go to an Ivy law school. Not an unranked law skool.

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  3. Jeez. A 134 lsat can get you into one of these shit pits. If that's good enough to get you in why would you want to go?

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  4. Puerto Rico probably doesn't even need one law school. And given that she probably sends her best and brightest to real law schools on the U.S. mainland, there's really no reason for anyone to pursue their legal studies there.

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  5. Still one of the all time best videos on why law school is not for most people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahLdlmKAyGA

    So many go to shitty law schools cause they think it's their ticket to practice law and if they just 'work hard' they'll make it. It goes back to ego. You wouldn't think dumbshits would have so much pride but they do. This ain't medical school where it pretty much doesn't matter where you go.

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  6. “These are not the equivalent of Mediterranean medical schools [sic], where you can still get licensed and make a good living.” Nando was referring to the Caribbean medical schools. But Puerto Rican law schools are not the only ABA toilets that produce worse results than Caribbean medical schools. Second, third, and fourth tier toilet law schools produce worse outcomes than the Caribbean medical schools. The Caribbean medical schools even have higher standards. Medical students need to pass the USMLE step 1 after the second year of school in order to proceed to clinical rotations in the third year. Examinees from Non-US / Canadian Schools had an 78% 1st time pass rate in 2016 on step 1. Prior to graduation, students must pass USMLE step 2. Examinees from Non-US / Canadian Schools had an 80% 1st time pass rate in 2016 on step 2. The match rate of U.S. citizen graduates of international medical schools was 52.4% last year. Those graduates obtained residency positions that paid a salary in the $50k range, with health insurance, paid vacation, and sometimes with other perks such as free meals in the hospital cafeteria and paid trips to conferences. After completion of residency, those students will earn six figure salaries.

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  7. If you go to one of these P.R. law schools do you even qualify for federal student loans?

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  8. This small country doesn't need 3 ABA law skools.

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  9. I know these are 2014 data, but still interesting:

    https://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/original-research-updated/lawyers-per-capita-by-state/

    Puerto Rico ranks 12th among the states + District of Columbia + Puerto Rico in terms of lawyers per capita, at roughly 40 lawyers per 10,000 residents. But it ranks near the bottom on EMPLOYED lawyers at 12.46 per 10,000 population.

    Most residents of PR cannot afford legal services. It's obvious that many of their law school graduates are not working as attorneys. So why do they need three law schools?

    I'm guessing their lawprofs and administrators, like their counterparts on the mainland, are living lives of relative luxury thanks to federal student loan money.

    Scam on.

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  10. Just as in the continental USA(well, Hawaii too), it's a terrible idea to attend law school-if you want to get a job, that is. While the $$$ involved is less than just about all of the more notoriuous TTTs, it's still money and time wasted.

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  11. http://www.derecho.inter.edu/inter/node/541

    “Welcome

    Dear future law student:

    Inter American University of Puerto Rico School of Law will launch a unique program during the Fall of 2015: a Juris Doctor taught in the English language geared towards enhancing inclusion and diversity in legal education and within the legal profession. The lack of diversity in legal education in the United States has had a negative impact not only for students from minority groups who are excluded from joining the legal profession. It has also affected “access to justice” in a myriad of ways due to the fact that their perspectives and life experiences are not adequately represented in Law.

    The program will be tailored to students from diverse backgrounds, particularly to Latinos and Latinas. Students will receive particularized attention in small classes combining doctrinal and clinical courses to address some of the challenges facing the legal profession today. Emphasis will be given to preparing students in acquiring the theoretical and practical skills needed in order to address some of challenges that the legal profession currently faces in the United States.

    Inter American University of Puerto Rico School of Law has an innovative pedagogical approach in line with the most recent recommendations by the American Bar Association and the Carnegie Foundation regarding the inclusion of experiential learning approaches within legal education. It is part of a century old, island-wide, university. Its low cost, compared to that of the majority of the law schools in the United States, makes it an attractive option.”

    Who cares if it’s low cost, in comparison to ABA-accredited toilets in the U.S.? It’s still garbage. You wouldn’t shell out money to buy a broken down, 15 year old Nissan, would you, simpleton?

    http://www.derecho.inter.edu/inter/node/814

    “Our students

    On August 3rd, 2015, Inter American University of Puerto Rico School of Law welcomed its first class of students to its new Juris Doctor program in English. Students from California, Florida, Connecticut, New York and Maine, among other states, have moved to Puerto Rico to study the U.S. Common Law. Students from Puerto Rico who, because of their background, feel more comfortable studying in the English language, have also enrolled in the new program. After completing their studies, they will be able to take the bar exam in any State or territory of the United States.

    The main aim of the program is to increase diversity in the legal profession in the United States, particularly after affirmative action programs have been put into question by opinions such as Schuette v. Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, issued by the Supreme Court of the United States in April of 2014.”

    There are already plenty of unemployed minority law grads in this country, many with JDs from decent law schools. Why add to that toll?

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    1. Diversity? By teaching in the gringos' language? ¡Caramba!

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  12. Cooley doesn't have a branch in the warm climes of Puerto Rico?

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  13. https://www.lstreports.com/schools/interamerican/admissions/

    Here is the Law School Transparency report for InTTTTTer American UniversiTTTTTy of PuerTTTTTo Rico School of Law. These are the pathetic numbers for the class that entered this cesspool in Fall 2016:

    25th percentile LSAT: 134
    50th percentile LSAT: 137
    75th percentile LSAT: 140
    25th percentile UGPA: 2.97
    50th percentile UGPA: 3.3
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.58

    In sum, those scores are outrageously low. Hell, art students have better qualifications. You would almost certainly be better off with an art school grad representing you in legal matters. Now, take a look at the figures for the group that started their “legal education” at this fifth tier school, in Fall 2010:

    25th percentile LSAT: 136
    50th percentile LSAT: 139
    75th percentile LSAT: 142
    25th percentile UGPA: 3.09
    50th percentile UGPA: 3.32
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.57

    As you can see, the law school now features lower scores in all areas, other than 75th percentile undergraduate GPAs – and the 2016 entering class was better in that category by 0.01. Of note, the Fall 2010 cohort had 869 members – while only 193 entered this TTTTT law school in Fall 2016.

    https://www.lstreports.com/schools/interamerican/

    Head to the Overview page for this school, also via Law School Transparency:

    Employment Score: 8.6% for 2016 grads
    Under-Employment score: 48.8% for 2016 grads
    Bar Passage Rate: 32.2% for the Class of 2015
    Non-Discounted Cost: $130,625 for those starting in Fall 2017

    You read those numbers correctly. There is no other digit in front of the 8.6, in the Employment Score figure. Also, under Cost Facts, you will notice that 93.8 percent of the class pays full price to attend this spectacular and amazing law school. Regarding the chances of bar passage, even the 75th percentile LSAT score at InTTTTTer American is listed under the Extreme Risk Profile. Simply put, don’t even consider attending this place.

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  14. I’ve commented on here in the past. Before the law school scam movement, I went to a toilet law school and graduated unemployed. I must have been the “1%” reported unemployed by my school that year, because everyone else was reportedly employed and making six figures. Strange how none of my friends (most of whom were working non-legal jobs) were making anything near six figures. Realizing law schools publish fictitious job stats and I would never have a legal career, I went to med school. Other friends saved their professional careers by getting MBAs or pursing non-law jobs. Friends that went solo worked out of dilapidated professional buildings – I know because I visited them. Other friends lament they wish they could afford gas to fill up their care. Most have told me how lucky I am and that I made the right decision. I’ve convinced many acquaintances to avoid law school at all cost.

    Nando mentioned that Caribbean schools have better outcomes than toilet law schools. I also wanted to point out that nurse anesthetist programs are more selective, and provide far better career outcomes and satisfaction than most ABA law schools. The median salary of certified nurse anesthetists is $175k. The nurse anesthetist preps the patient in preop and brings them over to the OR. They administer anesthesia and intubate the patient. In the past, the major risk of intubation was that the tube was inserted into the esophagus rather than the trachea. Patients could die because they were not getting O2 into the lungs. Now the nurse anesthetist and anesthesiologist just looks at the monitor to check the end tidal CO2. If CO2 is exhaled into the tube, then you know you are in the trachea. If you don’t have end tidal CO2, then you know you are in the esophagus and need to reattempt the intubation. Hospitals even have video laryngoscopes now so you know the tube is in the trachea. Then the anesthesiologist comes into the OR and checks the work of the nurse anesthetist and leaves. The surgeon arrives and the procedure begins. The nurse anesthetist stands back and monitors the patient. They watch out for malignant hyperthermia, a rare side effect of certain anesthetics that is treated with dantrolene. Eventually, the surgeon finishes up. The nurse anesthetist wakes the patient up. The anesthesiologist returns to check in on the patient. The nurse anesthetist monitors the patient and then takes them to post op. They get ready for the next surgery. With each surgery, the nurse anesthetist is helping someone. Whether it be the life-saving removal of a tumor, or something less severe like a laparoscopic cholecystectomy, the nurse anesthetist helped improve someone’s life.

    The U.S. “News” ranks VCU as the top nurse anesthetist program in the U.S. Here are the basic requirements: undergrad degree in nursing or related science, nursing license, minimum undergrad GPA of 3.0, GRE, minimum of one year FT experience as RN, three references. The school then invites applicants for an interview before an applicant can gain acceptance. Notice how applicants must have a minimum 3.0 GPA to attend VCU’s nurse anesthetist program, and compare that to many ABA toilets!

    Now compare career outcomes. In the same amount of time it takes to get a JD, you can become a nurse anesthetist. Only the nurse anesthetist will make more than 90% of newly minted JDs, and eventually will make more than most of the big law associates when they get kicked to the curb a few years after graduation. The nurse anesthetist will also save themselves from the long hours of a medical residency had they gone to med school.

    Kids, don’t go to these toilet law schools. There are a lot of professionals that are in high demand today. Toilet law grad is not one of them.

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  15. 11:45-your change of careers is commendable-although you've probably got a ton of education debt with 7 years post college education. But let's be blunt-almost none of the students at these or any other TTTs could follow your path. Why? Because medical school requires both prerequisites of the type most liberal artists shun AND a very high MCAT score. People attend TTTs because they are unemployed liberal artists with worthless degrees in history or political science or sociology, etc and don't take science classes because those classes are actually hard.
    So they can't get into nurse anesthetist school or medical school or any other health profession school unless they go back to school and take the classes required-which they won't do, because that's hard. It's a lot easier to hide out in a TTT for three years and postpone the inevitable.

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  16. https://www.lstreports.com/schools/catholic-pr/admissions/

    Let’s review the Law School Transparency report for Pontifical Catholic University of Puerto Rico School of Law. Here are the numbers for the class that entered this commode in Fall of 2016:

    25th percentile LSAT: 131
    50th percentile LSAT: 134
    75th percentile LSAT: 137
    25th percentile UGPA: 2.88
    50th percentile UGPA: 3.28
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.43

    Now, take a look at the cohort that started law school at this dump in Fall 2010:

    25th percentile LSAT: 132
    50th percentile LSAT: 135
    75th percentile LSAT: 138
    25th percentile UGPA: 2.97
    50th percentile UGPA: 3.3
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.58

    $omehow, this ABA-accredited stink pit managed to have lower scores in 2016 – in each of the six sectors measured – than they had for Fall 2010. This is even more “impressive” when you consider the fact that only 133 students entered in 2016 – whereas first year enrollment was 289 in 2010. Someone earlier mentioned that the LSAT scores might be pathetic due to language barriers. However, this should not impact their undergraduate GPAs since these fools were presumably taking classes in Puerto Rico, in Spanish.

    https://www.lstreports.com/schools/catholic-pr/

    Employment Score: 0.0% for 2016 grads
    Under-Employment Score: 67.3% for 2016 grads
    2015 Bar Passage Rate: 32.1%
    Non-Discounted Cost: $125,051

    Yes, those are amazing numbers! Who wouldn’t want to be represented in legal matters, by these knuckleheads? Of note, fully 76.4% of law students at PonTTTTTifcal CaTTTTholic pay the full price of admission. That is listed in the Cost Facts section of the fourth text box, on this page. If you want to financially ruin yourself – for no damn good reason – then go ahead and sign on the dotted line, simpleton.

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  17. https://www.lstreports.com/schools/puertorico/admissions/

    Enjoy this LST profile regarding what constitutes the admi$$ion$ practice$ of the University of Puerto Rico School of Law. Here are the figures for those entering this diploma factory in Fall 2016:

    25th percentile LSAT: 139
    50th percentile LSAT: 143
    75th percentile LSAT: 146
    25th percentile UGPA: 3.19
    50th percentile UGPA: 3.52
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.73

    Below are the numbers for the cohort that commenced a “legal education” at this dung heap, in Fall 2010:

    25th percentile LSAT: 141
    50th percentile LSAT: 145
    75th percentile LSAT: 149
    25th percentile UGPA: 3.33
    50th percentile UGPA: 3.6
    75th percentile UGPA: 3.79

    These results are incredible. Yet another fifth tier Puerto Rican law school – approved by the American Bar Association – has also achieved lower scores across all six areas, in 2016 than they had in 2010. Their mothers must be exceptionally proud. Plus, first year enrollment was 186 in 2016, as opposed to 200 strong in 2010.

    https://www.lstreports.com/schools/puertorico/

    Employment Score: 25.7% for 2016 grads
    Under-Employment Score: 39.8% for 2016 grads
    2015 Bar Passage Rate: 53%
    Non-Discounted Cost: $80,195

    It’s never a good thing when the under-employment score is higher than the portion of that class that was employed. Of course, it doesn’t matter to the “law professors” and deans. They get paid up front, in full. The students and graduates are the ones who will be burdened with significant educational debt - and pathetic job prospects. But these pupils are “sophisticated consumers,” right?

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